UFC 143: Diaz V Condit Official Thread Discussion

dave1982

Long read but heres the transcript from UFC 143 main event corners

When Carlos Condit beat Nick Diaz at UFC 143 Saturday night, much was made of Diaz not changing his style, but rather pressing forward without landing more blows than he was eating. BloodyElbow put together a transcript of the audio feed from Diaz's corner, which is excepted below.

Among other things it is clear that one reason Diaz did not change his style is because his brother told him throughout that he was winning, despite frequent misgivings from others in the corner.

It was not possible to discern each voice in Diaz's corner, so the voices are attributed to Nate Diaz and a generic "Red Corner" which is in all likelihood usually boxing coach Richard Perez.

Before Round 1

Nate: **** this guy, be smart a’right?
Nate: Wake up, Dude! Wake up! There you go!
Red Corner: Be calm in the corner. That’s where the cameras are, they’re tryin’ t make us look bad. The camera is makin’ us look bad for freakin’ out so be calm on the cameras
Nate: Watch that straight right left hook he’s gonna try, straight right – left hook.
Red Corner: Let’s go Diaz! Be smart! Let’s do it!

Round 1:

Red Corner (right after the first leg kick): Check that kick
Nate: Watch that straight right – left hook!
Nate (4:43): Put that chin down!
Red Corner (4:05): Box him up, Nick!
Nate (4:07): Feints too! Feints! Make him throw!
Red Corner (3:45): Turn it up! He’s trying to run! He’s trying to run!
Red Corner (3:08): You got him against the cage!
Red Corner (3:02): Cut him off, don’t follow! (The command is repeated many (!) times from here on out till the end of the round)
Nate (2:04): There you go! Set up the body!
Red Corner (2:01): You stand up tall!
Nate (after a spinning elbow by Carlos at 1:58): ****in’ dick!
Red Corner (1:31): He’s landed the better shots so far
Nate (1:30): Yah.
Nate (1:27): He’s tryin to pace for five rounds.
Red Corner (1:14): Flank him! Come on! Get him against the cage! Body!
Red Corner (after Condit escapes again and a lot of "Cut him off!" previously): You let him get off again! Don’t let him get off!
Red Corner (0:26): Back him up! Take a step forward! Set it up! Step forward! Turn it up!

In Corner Betweene Round 1 and Round 2:

Nate: Sit down, sit down.
Richard Perez: Don’t let him circle, you hear? When you got him against the cage...
Nate (interrupting): Deep breaths, deep breaths.
Richard Perez: Deep breaths, out of your mouth! Now...when you back him up against the cage Nick, you gotta stay in his face hard, you understand? So what you’re gonna do is your gonna pump that jab...
Nick: (to Nate, interrupting) Gimme the bottle of water.
Richard Perez: And you go to the body and then back to the head. Head-Body, it’s wide open, you can get him.
Nate: He’s tryin to make you chase him too [him and Perez talking over each other] Cut him off real good.
Nate: He’s tryin to coast for five rounds. Cut him off good!

Round 2

Red Corner (4:35): Here comes the headkick! (It was another leg kick)
Red Coner (4:10): Keep comin. You have it there, dog!
Nate (to a teammate, 4:03): He’s got nothin on him, dude. He’s just tryin to set stuff up. (right here, Condit throws a spinning elbow at around 3:58) See, that’s the kind of asshole-**** he’s got. But...he better land a good one if he wants to end it cause he can’t really do too much.
Red Corner (3:41): You gotta throw your punches down the middle!
Nate (3:32): Make him come to you!
Red Cotner *applause after Nick taunts and slaps Carlos*
Red Corner (somebody else than the staff that could be heard so far 3:08): Condit you pussy!
Nate (2:50): Make him chase you! Make him chase you a little bit! Let him chase you too he ain’t got ****!
Red Corner (1:40): Make him miss! Make him miss! Let your hands go!
Red Corner (1:24): He’s tired now! He’s tired! He’s getting desperate right now, he’s getting tired! Down the middle!
Nate: Nicks gonna pick up the pace later in the third-fourth round
Red Corner (0:37): Come on, Nick! You can’t win like that! You can’t win like that!
Red Corner (0:17): Throw! Throw!

In Corner Between Round 2 and Round 3

Nate: Ok, sit down
Red Corner: You can’t finish him by following him. Your doin good
Nate: Keep doin’ what you’re doin.
Red Corner: You’re doing good. You got him runnin now. He’s gassin out from runnin.
Nate: You ain’t gonna have to chase him so much, too. You can if you want but you don’t have to. He’s trying to make you chase him around. You can wave him down like "Come to me motherf

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!". You won the last two rounds so keep doin what you’re doin. But you can make him come to you too. Or do what you want. You can do that too, he ain’t doin nothin.
Nate: Good job brother, you’re doin good.

Round 3

Nate: It’s lookin good
Red Corner: You think so?
Nate: Yah, two – zero.
Red Corner: Sometimes though, they...
Nate: Nah, two to zero. Everybody knows that. **** that! The guy ain’t doin nothin. He’s doin what he can though.
Red Corner: He’s running. He’s running the whole time.
Red Corner (after Nick flurries on Carlos 4:23): Oh, nice! Nice left hand!
Red Corner (4:21): He’s hurt! He’s hurt Nick! He’s hurt!
Red Corner (4:12, as Carlos turns his back briefly and jogs to the middle of the cage): Get on top of him! You gotta be on top of him when he does that! He’s not set. Now down the middle! Come on!
Red Corner: (3:43) You got it dog! Keep going! Keep doing it! Keep doing it! He don’t know what to do no more! That’s it right there! He’s turning! He’s turning! Step over! Step over, down the middle!
Nate (2:51): Heartrate, Nick!
Red Corner (2:30): Don’t let him bounce around!
Red Corner (2:07): Come on now, Nick! Don’t stand in front of him! Back him up, there you you go! Mix it up, Nick!
Red Corner (to Nate): He’s gotta get the punch-combos going
Nate: Yeah. It’s hard though when you’re chasing the ****er all over the place.
Nate (0:16): Don’t chase him, walk him down, Nick!

In Corner between Round 3 and Round 4

Nate: Here, sit down, brother
Nick: Did I get hit?
Nate: Nah, you’re not even cut.
Richard Perez: He’s got nothin no more, dog. You hear me? He got nothin no more. All you gotta do is go down the middle, get that body-shot. Don’t stand in front of him though cause you may get hit
Nate: You can make him come to you as well cause he’s just running from you. Don’t chase him. Wave "Come to me, mother****er", you know what I mean? You can keep doin what you do the whole fight. You gotta cut him off really good, ok?

Round 4

Red Corner: Man, they’re trying to cool him off. That was a lot of water.
Red Corner: His heatrate seems still alright
Nate (4:49): That’s what they do, they make him all wet so the punches slip off and ****.
Red Corner (4:44): Is that allowed here?
Nate (Yelling over to the other corner): Ey, y’all put too much water on that mother****er, man!
Nate (4:32): Ref! Dry him off, ref! Dry him off!
Nate (4:23): He’s slippin all over the place cause they put water all over him! That’s weak.
Nate (3:48): Okay let’s go and pick your shots right now, let’s not go for the fence right now! Quicker shots that land, Nick! They don’t got to be hard now, just make’em land!
Red Corner (3:25): He’s gonna run in a circle all night. Let’s get some hooks, make him stay in there!
Red Corner (3:02): Body lock!
Nate (3:01): He all wet!
Red Corner (2:59): It’s awful. Yeah, referee’s gotta
Nate (2:50): He’s wet, dude! He’s all wet.
Red Corner (2:48): Let your hands go! Don’t stand in front of him!
Nate (still about Condit being all wet): That’s weak dog. That’s weak.
Nicks corner is clearly frustrated that he let’s Condit escape from the cage so often, exclaiming "aw man!" and calling for him to stay on Condit.
Nate (1:50, as Condit sprints away again): Call for a yellow-card!
Nate: That’s the best he can do man. He’s just surviving the fight!
Nate (1:15): Step on the outside!
Red Corner (1:13): Take the center! Make him come to you!
Red Coner (0:50): Put him in a war, Nick! Make him waste his...let’s get his heartrate up!

In corner between Round 4 and Final Round

Nate: Hey ref! Ref! Ref! Ref! Ey, they keep wetting him! He’s all slippery because they keep pouring water all over him.
Referee: Alright, alright!
Nate: There’s water...
Somebody says: What do you think. Maybe Nick
Nate: No. No, no, no, no, **** that, you got every round.
Nate: He might have got that last round but that’s it. You got the rest. You’re up three to one, okay? Rinse it out, take a drink. Let’s get a couple of ten second intervals in this one, ok? Whenever you want, whenever you’re ready.

5th Round

Nate: This is the last round, right?
Red Corner Is this the fifth round?
Nate: Yah. Fifth round.
Nate (4:14 after the usual calls): Be smart Nick, make him miss!
Nate (4:02): Quick punches that land, alright?
Red Corner (3:38) You just stand in front of him! Come on Nick, come on!
Red Corner (3:26): Don’t stand on the outside!
Red Corner (3:12): Take him down when he stands like that!
Red Corner (2:32 as Nick gets a body-lock): There it is!
Nate: Yeah! (as Nick takes it tot he ground, 1:20)
Nate (1:10): He’s gonna finish somethin, dude.
Red Corner: Relax! You got a minute! You got a minute!
Nate (0:50): Yeah, he’s trying to get that armbar.
Red Corner (0:30): Break his nose!
Nate: 30 seconds, go on top! Now, Nick, now!
Nate (0:17): Ey, let’s get some elbows, get some punches! 15 seconds!
Red Corner (0:09): Set that choke up!

After the Fight:

Official: Nobody goes in until I say. Stay right here, please
Red Corner: Yes, Sir.
Nate: **** yeah!
Red Corner: Get his shirt!
Nate: Ey, gimme his shirt! Gimme his shirt!
Nate: You won that ****!
Official: Now get in there. You know what to do?
Red Corner: Yes, Sir!
Nate: Gimme that shirt!
Dana White: Good job, dude!
Nate: Ey! For sure four to one, a’right?
Nick: I got that? I got that homie?
Nate: Yeah **** yeah, you got that.
Nick: I pushde him back the whole time
Red Corner: Yeah, yeah, he ran.
Nate: All we got is the sweatshirt. Ey yo, put this on. I tell you four to one for sure. No problem.
Red Corner: He ran too much.
Nick (probably looking at the replay): They’re showin only his ****.
Nate: Yeah, that was the last round. But you got four to one for sure. There’s no way...
Nick (interrupting): I almost finished that armlock.
Nate: Yeah, yeah, I know. He knew he was biding his time too. Hey look, Nick, you guaranteed no matter what won that fight.
Nate (shaking Greg Jacksons hand): Good fight!
Nate (shaking Carlos’ hand): Good fight, Carlos
Nick (talking to Lorenzo Fertitta. Unfortunately, this is very hard to understand): You asked me to fight, I came here to fight. I came in a little heavy. It was either I could cut the calories or cut the sparring [...]
Nate: "Hey, listen. Listen: He did what he had to do, alright? That’s what. So he’d get through that fight

jayteecork

^^^^

Errr someone already posted.

Mellor

dave1982 wrote: »

Long read but heres the transcript from UFC 143 main event corners

Was posted a few posts back.
I'm kinda interested in Greg Jackson and the rest of the blue corner now

MrStuffins

Carlos Condit Accepts Nick Diaz Rematch

“Sources close to the deal just now confirmed with The Underground that Carlos Condit has accepted a rematch with Nick Diaz for the interim welterweight title.

Condit said ‘Yes, I accept the rematch’ and will be in Las Vegas on Thursday to finalize the deal with the UFC.”

According the The Underground, Carlos Condit has in fact accepted the rematch with Nick Diaz and it’s going down in Las Vegas, although no specific date was given just yet. Stay tuned to BJPenn.com for updates.


Condit and Diaz fought to a controversial five round decision this past weekend at UFC 143, that has left MMA fans divided on who they believe won the fight. Diaz fans claim that Condit did nothing but run the entire fight, while Condit supports point to sources like FightMetric to prove their case.



Either way, it looks like the two are on a path to meet at least one more time, as Diaz will once again get the chance to fight his fight, and walk away the interim UFC welterweight champion.

Mellor

Looking forward to that.
Going to be a lot of pressure on him to go with a different game plan.
Diaz will no doubt prepare for the strike and evade gameplan from Saturday. I'm hoping he comes out and lands a head kick KO

Zero-Cool

Hope Condit doesn't buckle to pressure and just fight how he wants to. Actually hoping for a flying knee KO but I think Diaz will be much more agressive, either way can't wait!

Professey Chin

Lesson learned.
if you want an immediate rematch from a decision loss, bitch and threaten to retire.

El Guapo!

I don't think Diaz deserved a rematch at all. Condit won the fight fair and square and Diaz cried about it till he got what he wanted.
I hope Condit finishes the fight in style and shuts him up.
But I think Diaz will come out with a totally different gameplan. I think he'll stand for most of the 1st round but then look for the takedown and try for a submission victory.
I'd say Condit was offered crazy money for the rematch otherwise I don't see why he'd agree to it.

MMAIRELANDFAN

The UFC is a joke

So basically they wanted a Diaz v GSP big fight and when it's stopped by Condit winning fair they make the rematch.

Roar

MMAIRELANDFAN wrote: »

The UFC is a joke

So basically they wanted a Diaz v GSP big fight and when it's stopped by Condit winning fair they make the rematch.

Ehhhh, Condit agreed to the rematch, nobody forced him. How does that make the UFC a joke? He could easily have sat on his ass and waited for Georges to get healthy. Instead he takes a fight, not just any fight, but a rematch with Diaz. How does that make the UFC a joke?

MMAIRELANDFAN

Roar wrote: »

Ehhhh, Condit agreed to the rematch, nobody forced him. How does that make the UFC a joke? He could easily have sat on his ass and waited for Georges to get healthy. Instead he takes a fight, not just any fight, but a rematch with Diaz. How does that make the UFC a joke?

Oh Yeah and he was not told by Dana that it would be good for the UFC to have a rematch, in reality the UFC asking him to rematch are undermining the decision which was clear.

ie, Bad for him.

El Guapo!

MMAIRELANDFAN wrote: »

Oh Yeah and he was not told by Dana that it would be good for the UFC to have a rematch, in reality the UFC asking him to rematch are undermining the decision which was clear.

ie, Bad for him.

He could've refused the rematch if he wanted to. You can bet he's gonna get a big payday for accepting the fight though.

Utopia Parkway

Not really a fan of a rematch. It's basically the UFC saying we didn't like the result so we are going to keep having the fight until we get the result we want. Much like the government has done with some referendums here. Plus if Diaz had won that fight there is no chance on earth they would have given Condit a rematch. Where is Bisping's rematch with Sonnen for example? He probably had a far better case than Diaz did for one. Only in that fight the UFC got the result they wanted.

This is the UFC ordering or not ordering rematches so they can get the big money fights they want further down the line. This is bascially what WWE do but sport is unpredictable. Fighters will lose fights that they are not expected too. You just have to accept that and work around it.

Condit initially refused the fight so all I can imagine is the UFC shoved so much money at him until he couldn't turn it down.

Logical Fallacy

I don't think that is the case at all...I believe Condit won that fight, I believe he came with the superior gameplan, refused to be drawn into Nick's and won the fight because Nick was unable to adapt at the time.

That said, there are many, many fans who feel the fight was close enough to deserve a rematch or that Diaz won.

The UFC normally tries to make things happen that the fans want to happen so i imagine they have been just as aware as any of us as to the split in the fan base about the result.

Condit is a fighter and a damn good one, he was patient and accommodating during the whole saga in the run up to this fight happening. I imagine after the fight he figured the controversy would eventually die down but it shows no signs of stopping yet. It's just as easy to imagine he wants to rematch to put an exclamation point on the whole thing, beat Diaz again and shut everyone up.

The forced rematch conspiracy is a nice idea but Dana was one of the first to say that he felt Condit won, won well and both GSP and Diaz would just need to deal with it.

cowzerp

Dean09 wrote: »

He could've refused the rematch if he wanted to.

You think so! I don't.

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

The UFC normally tries to make things happen that the fans want to happen so i imagine they have been just as aware as any of us as to the split in the fan base about the result..

They do what the fan's will pay for, not what the fans want.

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

The forced rematch conspiracy is a nice idea but Dana was one of the first to say that he felt Condit won, won well and both GSP and Diaz would just need to deal with it.

Yes and this makes it all the worse, He know's Diaz does not deserve a rematch and is making a purely business decision and screwing Condit of his chance to fight for the title, By this i believe Diaz will win the rematch and most likely on the ground.

So win win for Dana, big interest in the controversial rematch and then Diaz v GSP big pay day too, both bigger than Condit v GSP.

Utopia Parkway

Put it this way on the Primetime special of Diaz v Condit they spent most of the last episode hyping a Diaz v GSP fight. UFC sees that as a big money fight that is now in jeopardy (probably won't be far off a million PPV buys in North America). With respect to Condit he is a very good fighter but not a PPV draw in the slightest. There is no money in Condit v GSP.

This is a clear case of UFC booking fights to suit business. Nothing wrong with that if all you're concerned about is the bottom line I guess but it must suck if you win a fight fairly and squarely and they want you to do it again because it wasn't the right outcome for business. That doesn't sit easily with me.

If Diaz wins the rematch will Condit get a rubber match? I think we all know the answer to that. No chance unless he can somehow get it written into the contract. Which is unlikely as it would disrupt the timing of a potential Diaz v GSP fight at the end of the year.

MrStuffins

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

That said, there are many, many fans who feel the fight was close enough to deserve a rematch or that Diaz won.

The UFC normally tries to make things happen that the fans want to happen so i imagine they have been just as aware as any of us as to the split in the fan base about the result.

Close? Maybe.

But I seriously don't think there's anyone out there who would be excited about a Diaz v Condit rematch. Not after the last one.

Jimmy Bottlehead

This is terribly disappointing from the UFC. It doesn't help it's desire to appear as a legitimate sport to the public eye.

Condit won. Diaz lost. Regardless of what Dana wanted, that was what happened, and they're bitching out on it.

I genuinely feel sorry for Condit who absolutely deserved the win. I can only hope he beats Diaz decisively next time; if that happens, I reckon Diaz will have no option but to actually retire.

p to the e

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

This is terribly disappointing from the UFC. It doesn't help it's desire to appear as a legitimate sport to the public eye.

Condit won. Diaz lost. Regardless of what Dana wanted, that was what happened, and they're bitching out on it.

I genuinely feel sorry for Condit who absolutely deserved the win. I can only hope he beats Diaz decisively next time; if that happens, I reckon Diaz will have no option but to actually retire.

I honestly think the Koscheck - Pierce fight was a closer fight than this one with many people concluding that Pierce won but where was his rematch? If this rematch goes ahead I can see it leaving a bad taste in everyone's mouth. It is just showing that if you act like a spoilt child long enough you will get what you want.

MrStuffins

There's another factor people aren't taking into account here.

GSP isn't available to fight until the end of 2012 at the earliest. They haven't created an Interim Title just so both champions can sit around and wait for each other. They want that title active. And who else is there for Condit to fight? They can't possibly give him Koscheck coz Koscheck won't be getting near GSP again.

Fitch has just been smashed (to the UFC's celebration) too. Johnny Hendricks is maybe the only other guy who could step in but i don't think he's up for a title shot just yet.

Although I fully agree that there's no controversy and Condit won the fight fair and square, I still think a rematch makes sense!

Utopia Parkway

p to the e wrote: »

I honestly think the Koscheck - Pierce fight was a closer fight than this one with many people concluding that Pierce won but where was his rematch?

Pierce v Koscheck was far more worthy of a rematch but Pierce isn't going to get one because well nobody really cares about Mike Pierce if we're being honest.

Bisping v Sonnen also more worthy of a rematch but Bisping won't get one because the UFC want the Silva v Sonnen fight.

Personally would have gone next with Diaz v Koscheck which would have done well as a fight as the build-up would have been great with the two of them mouthing at each other. If Diaz won he would have been back in the title picture pretty much straight away. If Condit had to take a fight before GSP he could have fought the winner of Sanchez v Ellenberger.

MrStuffins

Also

If this doesn't happen I can see BJ coming out of retirement to rematch Diaz!

horsemeat

I think it's the fairest thing.

It's like machida shogun 1.

If diaz had been ko'd or submitted I'd be sour but I wouldn't be calling for a rematch, but it was an extremely close decision one in which fans are split right down the middle as to who won.

I think a rematch is fair financially and at a sporting level. Many people feel Diaz was robbed, what's the problem with doing it again. If carlos is genuinely the better fighter he'll have no problem taking the fight.

Financially a lot of money on offer from people tuning in to see the fight again, another primetime show with even more animosity tension between all three men (remember there was no bad mouthing from diaz last time, expect that to change in the next primetime)

if diaz wins, the ufc gets diaz gsp, if condit wins again well at least the ufc will have built more of a profile up around him and might be able to sell the gsp fight.

btw, i read another article that says gsp might be willing to give up the title, skip condit and go straight for nick on his return.

It's wednesday now and this issue just will not go away, dana has obviously realised this also.

Roar

horsemeat wrote: »

btw, i read another article that says gsp might be willing to give up the title, skip condit and go straight for nick on his return.

link??

cowzerp

horsemeat wrote: »

It's like machida shogun 1.

No it's not, Shogun was robbed blind in that fight so deserved the rematch.

MrStuffins

horsemeat wrote: »

It's like machida shogun 1.

No it's not. Not at all!

I'm seriously begining to think Horsemeat is actually Nate Diaz!

p to the e

MrStuffins wrote: »

No it's not. Not at all!

I'm seriously begining to think Horsemeat is actually Nate Diaz!

His spelling and grammar is too good to be Nate.

I wonder if Nick is still retired.

I think Diaz fighting Sanchez Ellenberger winner would be great especially since Sanchez is so intense and Ellenberger is a bit of a brawler. My prediction is also Fitch v. Pierce and Nelson versus loser of Kongo-Hunt.

MrStuffins

p to the e wrote: »

I think Diaz fighting Sanchez Ellenberger winner would be great

Great shout!

horsemeat

you'd swear I was the only person in the world who thought diaz won the way the likes of stuffings and paul are going on.

anyway dana tweeted that carlos accepted rematch and is flying in on friday to finalise the deal.

the link for gsp skipping condit was on bjpenn.com

MrStuffins

horsemeat wrote: »

you'd swear I was the only person in the world who thought diaz won the way the likes of stuffings and paul are going on.

anyway dana tweeted that carlos accepted rematch and is flying in on friday to finalise the deal.

the link for gsp skipping condit was on bjpenn.com

It's not that, it's the silly things you've said in the thread. Like calling Carlos "Natural Born Runner". Saying "Greg Jackson has ruined MMA".

Saying anyone who disagrees with you is a "Diaz Brother Hater".

Saying leg kicked effectively don't count.

Saying scoring points isn't a legitimate way of winning fights.

Your arguments are ridiculous and pretty much show a complete and utter ignorance towards the sport. They come across childish and reactionary and they do you no favours. I'm sorry but that's my opinion.

if you honestly saw that fight and think what Carlos Condit was doing was running away, rather than executing a perfectly thought through game-plan then you don't know what you're watching.

Other people have their opinions on why they thought Nick won of course. But a lot of them are just like yours. I haven't seen anyone on this thread so far put forward well reasoned argument for Diaz winning that fight!

Xlami

Realistically I think the only reason this fight is being made is because even with their marketing power I think the UFC would struggle to sell a PPV headlined by Conduit Vs Ellenberger for an intirm title.

El Guapo!

I think the better option would be to have Diaz face the loser of Sanchez v Ellenberger, and have the winner face Condit.
Then that would lead up to GSP being fit again and whoever won the interim title would fight GSP to unify the belts.
Then the winner of Diaz v ? would be number 1 contender to fight whoever unifies the belts.
(If that makes sense! )

El Guapo!

Dean09 wrote: »

He could've refused the rematch if he wanted to.

cowzerp wrote: »

You think so! I don't.

I think he could've refused it but it probably would've made his job harder in the future. Dana probably pushed and pushed and promised him another shot at the title down the line should he lose. That and he probably threw bucket loads of cash at him for it.

Utopia Parkway

horsemeat wrote: »

you'd swear I was the only person in the world who thought diaz won the way the likes of stuffings and paul are going on.

It was a relatively close fight but not a particularly controversial decision IMO. Condit outstruck Diaz in 4 of the 5 rounds. The only two rounds that were clearly won by either fighter were rounds 3 and 4 in favour of Condit. The other 3 rounds were all close. Some give Diaz round 5 because he had a takedown and had Condit's back for the last minute of the fight but Condit outstruck him on the feet for the first 3:30 of that final round.

You don't see that stick and move style used all that often in MMA compared to say boxing where it's more common. Not much use in moving forward if you are continually getting hit more than you are able hit back. I think this is partially why many people just tend to think the fighter moving forward must be winning. Even if he is constantly eating shots trying to get into range. In this case Diaz spent the whole fight zombie walking forward trying to pin Condit against the cage. As soon as Condit felt the cage near his back he just slipped out the side so he could fight at range from the centre of the octagon.

MrStuffins

Dean09 wrote: »

I think the better option would be to have Diaz face the loser of Sanchez v Ellenberger, and have the winner face Condit.
Then that would lead up to GSP being fit again and whoever won the interim title would fight GSP to unify the belts.
Then the winner of Diaz v ? would be number 1 contender to fight whoever unifies the belts.
(If that makes sense! )

Nice shout!

I'd love for Diego to get another shot at a belt. He's always all action and a guy everybody loves to see fight (Oh wait....... isn't he a Jackson fighter? :P ). Yes, he's 2-2 in his last 4, but he wins this weekend and he's won 3 in a row against Thiago, Kampmann and Ellenberger.

Should he win decisively i'd love to see him go against Condit!

El Guapo!

MrStuffins wrote: »

Nice shout!

I'd love for Diego to get another shot at a belt. He's always all action and a guy everybody loves to see fight (Oh wait....... isn't he a Jackson fighter? :P ). Yes, he's 2-2 in his last 4, but he wins this weekend and he's won 3 in a row against Thiago, Kampmann and Ellenberger.

Should he win decisively i'd love to see him go against Condit!

Exactly. And yeah I know he's batshít crazy but love him or hate him he always puts on a good show and I love watching him fight.

horsemeat

MrStuffins wrote: »

It's not that, it's the silly things you've said in the thread. Like calling Carlos "Natural Born Runner". Saying "Greg Jackson has ruined MMA".

Saying anyone who disagrees with you is a "Diaz Brother Hater".

Saying leg kicked effectively don't count.

Saying scoring points isn't a legitimate way of winning fights.

Your arguments are ridiculous and pretty much show a complete and utter ignorance towards the sport. They come across childish and reactionary and they do you no favours. I'm sorry but that's my opinion.

if you honestly saw that fight and think what Carlos Condit was doing was running away, rather than executing a perfectly thought through game-plan then you don't know what you're watching.

Other people have their opinions on why they thought Nick won of course. But a lot of them are just like yours. I haven't seen anyone on this thread so far put forward well reasoned argument for Diaz winning that fight!

Attack the post not the poster.

Greg Jackson has ruined MMA, again an opinion held by many.

Diaz was robbed, again a legitimate opinion held by many. Ariel Helwani thinks so, is he an idiot. Joe Rogan concedes he can see the argument for the diaz win. It appears to be only you who has again taken issue with me on this forum because of the opinions I hold.

The idea that carlos ran away from diaz, and executed a good game plan are not mutually exclusive. I concede he implemented a strategy that manipulated the vague judging system and that he knew could hand him a points victory. in this case it did.

It's these posters who study their FightMetric and think that tells them the true story of the fight who are really spoiling this forum. Everyone else's opinion is a pile of junk in the eyes of the elite few :rolleyes: sherdog might be a better place for you to post with your dogmatic unshakable beliefs.

horsemeat

Leo Dowling wrote: »

Thank you for the welcome but I've been here for five or so years on various accounts and I know the old guys and the new guys. The fun of the forum is discussing the fights, not buddybuddying. So discuss the fights rather than lamenting the absence of people you're familiar with.

cheers to you.

Hi Leo. Just spotted this now. MultiCounting is against the rules. I will ask the mods to investigate this further. Cheers.

MrStuffins

horsemeat wrote: »

Attack the post not the poster.

I attacked the things you said in your posts.

Greg Jackson has ruined MMA, again an opinion held by many.

Yup. Many gimps IMO who have absolutely no idea what they're on about.

Diaz was robbed, again a legitimate opinion held by many. Ariel Helwani thinks so, is he an idiot. Joe Rogan concedes he can see the argument for the diaz win. It appears to be only you who has again taken issue with me on this forum because of the opinions I hold.

it seems your entire argument is "Well, other people think Diaz won, so i'm right". There are many many people who think Condit won too. But so what? if you think Diaz won, back yourself up. Tell us why and give us proper reasons. Your comments so far have done nothing for you.

The idea that carlos ran away from diaz, and executed a good game plan are not mutually exclusive. I concede he implemented a strategy that manipulated the vague judging system and that he knew could hand him a points victory. in this case it did.

Lol! Nope, what he did was he studied Diaz, knew what Diaz was gonna do was walk him down and try corner him like he does with all of his opponents and devised a strategy to best defeat Diaz. And it worked.

It's these posters who study their FightMetric and think that tells them the true story of the fight who are really spoiling this forum. Everyone else's opinion is a pile of junk in the eyes of the elite few :rolleyes: sherdog might be a better place for you to post with your dogmatic unshakable beliefs.

Lol!!!

Dogmatic? You see, here is your problem. Someone disagrees with you and you get all pissy and childish. Again, it does you no favours. Unshakeable beliefs lol.

If you read the thread, you would see that I was pulling for Diaz. But Condit won the fight. Not only did I explain why I thought Condit won the fight, I even went back through the fight and explained why I thought each fighter won each round.

It's called having an opinion and being able to back it up my friend. But yeah, "Natural Born Runner"........ good lad :rolleyes:

El Guapo!

horsemeat wrote: »

Greg Jackson has ruined MMA, again an opinion held by many. .

I'm sorry but that's a ridiculous statement.

horsemeat wrote: »

Diaz was robbed, again a legitimate opinion held by many. Ariel Helwani thinks so, is he an idiot. Joe Rogan concedes he can see the argument for the diaz win. It appears to be only you who has again taken issue with me on this forum because of the opinions I hold.

Robbed is totally the wrong word to use because he was in no way robbed. I can see the argument for saying it was a close fight but saying he was robbed is just not true and you seem to be biased as a big Nick Diaz fan.

horsemeat wrote: »

The idea that carlos ran away from diaz, and executed a good game plan are not mutually exclusive. I concede he implemented a strategy that manipulated the vague judging system and that he knew could hand him a points victory. in this case it did.

He had a solid gameplan that he stuck to and executed it perfectly and that showed in the result. He never ran away. He got shots off and got out of the way before he took damage.

horsemeat wrote: »

Everyone else's opinion is a pile of junk in the eyes of the elite few :rolleyes: sherdog might be a better place for you to post with your dogmatic unshakable beliefs.

Take your own advice. Attack the post, not the poster.

Leo Dowling

horsemeat wrote: »

Hi Leo. Just spotted this now. MultiCounting is against the rules. I will ask the mods to investigate this further. Cheers.

Ask the mods why you don't have a willy while you're at it.

darced

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MrStuffins

darced wrote: »

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Well it's not a case of Condit doing what he did last time. It's a case of Diaz putting together a plan B and being smart enough to know that if Condit has Diaz sussed for a couple of rounds, Diaz should change it up.

I've no doubt that had Diaz decided to get the fight to the ground in the latter rounds he would've finished the fight or even controlled it and put it in no doubt that he should've won a decision!

El Guapo!

MrStuffins wrote: »

I've no doubt that had Diaz decided to get the fight to the ground in the latter rounds he would've finished the fight or even controlled it and put it in no doubt that he should've won a decision!

I agree. Diaz changed his tactics way too late. He continued to stand with Condit even though he was going nowhere with it. His corner did him no favours by telling him he was winning it on the feet.
I think the rematch will see a totally different Diaz and he'll look to take it to the ground early enough and try submit Condit.

SDTimeout

Rumors the re-match are off. An "issue" from the Diaz camp.

Have a theory but it's against the charter. It's not steroids if you get me.

follow this dude on Twitter, https://twitter.com/FrontRowBrian

darced

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El Guapo!

SDTimeout wrote: »

Rumors the re-match are off. An "issue" from the Diaz camp.

Have a theory but it's against the charter. It's not steroids if you get me.

follow this dude on Twitter, https://twitter.com/FrontRowBrian

Care to pm me your theory?

horsemeat

There's two things, I personally think it's the latter.

A) Nick could have failed a post fight banned substance test which may explain a sub par performance.

Diaz has been offered less terms, hence the latest bjpenn.com post and also cesars tweet to dana thiry mins ago that Nick would rematch in a heartbeat for no extra money.

Second one is much more likely from my reading between the lines

horsemeat

The silence is uneasy.

This fight better happen.

ridiculous at this stage, what the hell could be going on

mailburner

darced wrote: »

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I've only looked at this page now since sunday but i think we will see the same
fight all over again
i had backed condit on points and there was no doubt in my mind that
condit won whatsoever
im amazed they're fighting again tbh

i thought condit would stand with diaz beforehand myself but he got
his tactics spot on
diaz just cant be knocked out and cant be stopped by anyone
in the division
one thing for sure though, nobody will ever stand toe to toe with diaz
and come out with a win...that man is just different class on his feet