(USA) Suspect with crowbar gunned down

pistonsvox

**WARNING VIOLENT FOOTAGE**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY5ioBvrYIg

Truly shocking, US cops have no value for life


http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=8515794

MONTEREY PARK, Calif. (KABC) -- Smashed windows at a fast-food restaurant in Monterey Park led to a deadly officer-involved shooting on Monday. One witness was able to catch the drama on video.

"I hear the sound of breaking windows, and a few minutes later, about six to 10 gunshots, a man on the floor, dogs barking, pedestrians all over the place, it was a pretty big scene," said witness Alex Soliz, who shot cellphone video of part of the incident.

Authorities responded to a report that a man was breaking windows at Carl's Jr. in the 1200 block of Avenida Cesar Chavez just before 9:30 a.m. Witnesses say the man had come in to Carl's Jr., but left without buying anything. He then came back with a 3-foot lead pipe and broke out all the windows.

"It was just like a loud shatter, like if somebody had literally crashed into the building, and it just happened to be where we looked up, and the glass literally shattered all over us," said witness Jimmy Aragon.

The suspect then walked inside, while workers and customers ran outside. Police arrived and surrounded the building, but investigators say the suspect was refusing their commands, and a Taser didn't stop him, either.

The suspect made a fatal decision as he raised the pipe and seemed to lunge at a police officer. A second officer fired five shots. Seconds after the suspect fell, the first officer fired five more shots.

bluto63

That's pretty shocking. Not so much that the police shot him, but the amount of times he shot him. That's not trying to stop him, that's trying to kill him. Awful policing.

Stereomaniac

Wow. So that Uncle Jimbo thing of "Look out, it's comin straight for us!" really does exist in the U.S. There were so many of them there, could they not just have jumped on the guy?

somefeen

I know its a pointless waste of life but by the looks of it he was about to whack the other cop with a deadly weapon.

I'd of shot him to just not so many times.

And its the dickheads laughing about it that I find the most shocking

Chuck Stone

Why didn't the dumb prick release the dog at him?

Isn't that what they're for?

J. Marston

He was still standing after 5 shots at close range? That's crazy. Complete overkill from the cops, 5 shots at point blank range, pause, another 5 when the guys back was turned.

Helix

J. Marston wrote: »

He was still standing after 5 shots at close range? That's crazy. Complete overkill from the cops, 5 shots at point blank range, pause, another 5 when the guys back was turned.

the fact that they tazed him in the face and he didnt so much as flinch would suggest he was high on something. hard to argue with unloading on him tbh, if he's not down he's gonna keep coming

wouldnt have let the dog at him personally, that'd have been too dangerous for the dog

probably shouldve shot him in the legs, but given the proximity of the guy to the cops and the fact that he looked very ready to go to down on the one who tazed him, that may not have been the safest option

minidazzler

Helix wrote: »

the fact that they tazed him in the face and he didnt so much as flinch would suggest he was high on something. hard to argue with unloading on him tbh, if he's not down he's gonna keep coming

wouldnt have let the dog at him personally, that'd have been too dangerous for the dog

probably shouldve shot him in the legs, but given the proximity of the guy to the cops and the fact that he looked very ready to go to down on the one who tazed him, that may not have been the safest option

You shoot a guy in the legs you're gonna miss, and hit the ground around him which will cause ricochet's. He needed to be taken down, common sense dictates the biggest target so you won't miss.

He went for the cop, he deserved it. He saw the guns on him, he knew the situation.

mikemac1

Helix wrote: »

probably shouldve shot him in the legs,

That just does not happen
And that video of the police sniper shooting a gun from a lowlifes hand has people overestimating what is possible

It's a car park with pedestrians around, the officer has a powerful dog pulling on him and if falls off balance and the bullet hits concrete well who knows who it will hit

A blow to the head from a crowbar could kill you and the lowlife was one to two seconds from striking the guy behind him

Yeah, probably on drugs and if he wasn't, suicide by cop tbh. He knew what was going to happen

phill106

Criminal was certainly getting ready to swing, you can see from the grip. That many shots is overkill though.

Nobody else found it disturbing that after the shots were fired, whoever was recording it started laughing?

minidazzler

Deleted User wrote: »

Nobody else found it disturbing that after the shots were fired, whoever was recording it started laughing?

People will often laugh in scary situations. Just think how you feel when you get off a rollercoaster.

Their reaction later was more appropriate to the situation after what actually happened settled in.

That said, he deserved what he got, he made a play to hurt an officer and was duly taken down.

Guill

In fairness he was acting aggressive and made a move towards a cop while holding a crow bar, i doubt it that society will miss another crim.

af_thefragile

You know how it goes there. Shoot first, ask questions later...

minidazzler

af_thefragile wrote: »

You know how it goes there. Shoot first, ask questions later...

Bullshido. They Told him put it down, Tazed him and then only when he went to attack a cop did they shoot him.

Duggy747

10 rounds? Really?

He fell after the 5th round. The extra 5 were to completely finish him off.

Still, whether he was off his nut or wanted a suicide by cops job they made sure he wasn't getting back up.

Sykk

pistonsvox wrote: »

Truly shocking, US cops have no value for life

Quoted for the lol

Clearly that one police officer is identical to all the millions of police throughout the U.S.


Btw.. No loss.

minidazzler

Sykk wrote: »

Quoted for the lol

Clearly that one police officer is identical to all the millions of police throughout the U.S.


Btw.. No loss.

I'm not sure, but that sounded like 5 shots and 5 echo's to me.

Allyall

He broke glass. Shoot him to death.

That's shocking. He did lunge, but it looked more like, "Don't come near me with that again, or else.."

If it was really necessary to shoot him, then why not shoot him in the legs, from that distance, it wouldn't be hard to miss.

minidazzler

Allyall wrote: »

He broke glass. Shoot him to death.

That's shocking. He did lunge, but it looked more like, "Don't come near me with that again, or else.."

If it was really necessary to shoot him, then why not shoot him in the legs, from that distance, it wouldn't be hard to miss.

You've never shot a firearm have you? And you know very little about ballistics in general. You never aim for legs, if you do you will probably miss and then the rounds will ricochet and then you don't know where they are going.

He lunged with a deadly weapon, he made the move while guns were pointed at him, he messed up, he died. His fault.

If he had hit the officer and killed or seriously injured him, what then? He serves a few years in prison, gets out tougher while the family of the officer are down a husband/father/son or he is injured to the extent that he is a burden on his family.

The guy just had to drop his weapon and he would have lived, that easy, but he made a move...the wrong move.

--Kaiser--

Can't see a problem with this. Suspect was carrying a dangerous weapon disobeyed police orders, then attempted to assault an officer. Gets shot.

My only problems with it are that they a) shouldn't have been so close to him in the first place and b) shouldn't have wasted so many bullets

BigDuffman

Chap was maced and kept going like Jason.

As with all fire arms training you're programmed to aim and fire at centre mass. Aiming at legs is not feasible as its not safe for innocent bystanders on account of potentially missing / ricochet and the fact that it might not stop the attacker. It being America and all you never know if he was wearing a vest so 5 shots can be justified.

He made a swing which could of killed the cop. He was put down. The second copper however was not justified IMO.

RichieC

Duggy747 wrote: »

10 rounds? Really?

He fell after the 5th round. The extra 5 were to completely finish him off.

Still, whether he was off his nut or wanted a suicide by cops job they made sure he wasn't getting back up.

I'd rather not be alive personally after 5 rounds in the chest..

RichieC

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Can't see a problem with this. Suspect was carrying a dangerous weapon disobeyed police orders, then attempted to assault an officer. Gets shot.

My only problems with it are that they a) shouldn't have been so close to him in the first place and b) shouldn't have wasted so many bullets

they are about 20 cent each.

c0rk3r

Potentially 10 shots in him or gone through him and they still handcuff the guy.

Just for comparison heres a similar incident in the UK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw

Also read the description which says

Youtube description wrote:

Angry man armed with machete is taken down eventually after taunting police by over 30 police officers with riot shields. According to the story he'd been CS gassed (pepper spray) and was still going strong.

Seems a little over kill to me. Then again this isn't America where they'd just open fire on him.

I did not film this video, credit to Mark Pether for filming this.

somefeen

A gunshot wound to the leg can be just as fatal.

The ass is the only safe place to get shot.

Son Of A Vidic

My only critisim would be, the cop without the dog should not have re-holstered his weapon. Because he was then very nearly caught out by the nut when he appeared to lunge toward him. But the nut was clearly on something, he just brushed off a face load of pepper spray. The shooter had no choice but to protect his buddy and that was no crowbar he was carrying btw. Because it certainly looked more lethal than a standard crowbar imo.

Socialist_Pig

somefeen wrote: »

And its the dickheads laughing about it that I find the most shocking

was just about to say that

partyatmygaff

I don't see an issue with this. If someone is holding a weapon, refusing to back down and attempting to attack you or anyone else you have every right to neutralise the threat even if that means shooting them in the chest.

If you play with fire, you deserve what you get.

Overheal

c0rk3r wrote: »

Potentially 10 shots in him or gone through him and they still handcuff the guy.

Just for comparison heres a similar incident in the UK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX5CPx4RKWw

Also read the description which says

In fact I'm adding this one to my library. This is a perfect example of why an unarmed police force is so impractical. Count the number of Cops at Carl Jr's in the first video and compare that to the 30 cops required to handle one crazy machete-weilding man. Which also reminds me of that girl the other week who blew a machete-guy away with a shotgun.

The use of force was justifiable. He didn't go down with non-lethal force (Taser) and in fact that actually just provoked him to attack the officer. At which point his partner hits him with 5 rounds, then another 5 rounds. He was still on his feet after the first 5 rounds.

Plenty of gangsters in LA will be glad to show you the bullet wounds they're still alive from though. One bullet or 5 will not always keep you down.

minidazzler wrote: »

I'm not sure, but that sounded like 5 shots and 5 echo's to me.

It was definitely 10 shots total.

mikemac1 wrote: »

That just does not happen
And that video of the police sniper shooting a gun from a lowlifes hand has people overestimating what is possible

And that officer was an Army Ranger trained ex-military sharpshooter, and he spent a considerable amount of situation time placing that shot. It is not something you can do inside of a few seconds, with a handgun.

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Why didn't the dumb prick release the dog at him?

Isn't that what they're for?

Not primarily no. They're drug dogs and also used to chase down suspects that try to flee on foot. Using the dog as a front line of defense in this case would have been completely irresponsible, and likely result in the dog's death.

Overheal

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

My only critisim would be, the cop without the dog should not have re-holstered his weapon. Because he was then very nearly caught out by the nut when he appeared to lunge toward him. But the nut was clearly on something, he just brushed off a face load of pepper spray. The shooter had no choice but to protect his buddy and that was no crowbar he was carrying btw. Because it certainly looked more lethal than a standard crowbar imo.

That was his taser. I believe he was trying to reload it with a second cartridge.