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Danish Aid Workers Rescued by US Military in Somalia

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  • #52
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    The Seals are kicking ass again I see and it was a nice clean clinical job by the looks of it.


  • #53
    spank_inferno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    Kudos to the SEAL team involved.

    They get the job done.

    I've zilch sympathy for the Pirates..... you live by the sword, you die buy it.


  • #54
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    The Seals are kicking ass again I see and it was a nice clean clinical job by the looks of it.

    Unless you are a Somalian of course! :rolleyes:


  • #55
    token101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Unless you are a Somalian of course! :rolleyes:

    I'm sure they'd still acknowledge the professionalism of the SEALs if they were still with us :D


  • #56
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    token101 wrote: »
    I'm sure they'd still acknowledge the professionalism of the SEALs if they were still with us :D

    While you are sating your bloodlust all the other hostages lives are now in extreme danger and for what? A PR coup for the waning Obama presidency.
    It's disgusting how you all take part in this and sanction it with your safe fireside cheering.


  • #57
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,242 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    While you are sating your bloodlust all the other hostages lives are now in extreme danger and for what? A PR coup for the waning Obama presidency.
    It's disgusting how you all take part in this and sanction by your fireside cheering.

    I think you're confusing the rabbits in Watership Down with Somali pirates, an easy mistake to make.:P


  • #58
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    While you are sating your bloodlust all the other hostages lives are now in extreme danger and for what? A PR coup for the waning Obama presidency.
    It's disgusting how you all take part in this and sanction by your fireside cheering.

    What is your solution?


  • #59
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    What is your solution?

    I have already outlined that. The bully boys wouldn't like it though.


  • #60
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    It's quite amazing to read a thread where Irish people (given our history) cheerlead a nation who habitually refuse to respect the sovereignty of the world's nations (typically the impoverished ones).

    I'd be highly critical of US foreign policy but that doesn't stop me from being able to park my criticism to form an opinion on, as I see it, a well planned and executed hostage extraction.


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  • #61
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    ScumLord wrote: »
    There how they need to be to survive in that place, if you where born there you'd be just the same as them.

    And this excuses it?


  • #62
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    token101 wrote: »
    I'm sure they'd still acknowledge the professionalism of the SEALs if they were still with us :D

    A few less scumbags to worry about.


  • #63
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    While you are sating your bloodlust all the other hostages lives are now in extreme danger and for what? A PR coup for the waning Obama presidency.
    It's disgusting how you all take part in this and sanction it with your safe fireside cheering.
    How are all the other hostages in danger? Because the terrorists now know that at any time a Seal team will fall out of the sky and kill them all if they have hostages?

    This is part of an on-going operation in Somali. The pirates are getting picked off one by one. It's in the pirates best interests not to have a government, police force or army in Somali, so whilst there are pirates, there won't be a Somali government.


  • #64
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    tallus wrote: »
    9 pirates killed.

    Well done Seals.

    They must be pretty crap pirates in fairness. Even an eskimo with a club can kill seals.


  • #65
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,701 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    While you are sating your bloodlust all the other hostages lives are now in extreme danger and for what?

    They were already in extreme danger, it kind of comes with the territory of being a hostage. You know, the whole "their life is forfeit if..." thing. Part of the reason the US acted in this case was due to an apparent deterioration in the health of one of the hostages who may well have died as a hostage.

    In the meantime, after the way the French dealt with the last two pirate groups which took French captive (in one case, storm the boat and kill everyone, and in the other case, pay the ransom, then after hostage release, kill everyone and get the money back) I've not heard much of French being taken captive recently.

    NTM


  • #66
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,266 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Manic Moran wrote: »

    In the meantime, after the way the French dealt with the last two pirate groups which took French captive (in one case, storm the boat and kill everyone, and in the other case, pay the ransom, then after hostage release, kill everyone and get the money back) I've not heard much of French being taken captive recently.

    NTM

    Ha! The French really are a law onto themselves.


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  • #67
    JONJO THE MISER
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    The U.S should go in there and get rid of these pirates.


  • #68
    Robdude
    Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Robdude


    I'm confused....

    One day everyone hates America for being the 'world police' and sticking their nose where it doesn't belong.

    The next day, everyone loves America for being the 'world police' and sticking their nose where it doesn't belong....?


  • #69
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,628 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    the_syco wrote: »
    TV cameras even captured Obama congratulating Defense Secretary Leon Panetta as he shook hands in the House chamber Tuesday night, telling him "You did a great job today." Another top Pentagon spokesman, Navy Capt. John Kirby, said that at that moment, Obama and Panetta had learned the hostages were safe, though the special operators had not yet "buttoned up" the raid.

    The White House said Obama was congratulating Panetta and Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey after learning about "the success of the mission" at 6:43 that evening.

    Great timing.


  • #70
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    The Seals are kicking ass again I see and it was a nice clean clinical job by the looks of it.
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Unless you are a Somalian of course! :rolleyes:

    A Somalian what?........Come on now say it. Why a Somalian pirate of course.
    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    I'd be highly critical of US foreign policy but that doesn't stop me from being able to park my criticism to form an opinion on, as I see it, a well planned and executed hostage extraction.

    Likewise, I'll criticise US policy when I have to, but you just got to admire the professional excellence of the SEALs.


  • #71
    Bullseye1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    Robdude wrote: »
    I'm confused....

    One day everyone hates America for being the 'world police' and sticking their nose where it doesn't belong.

    The next day, everyone loves America for being the 'world police' and sticking their nose where it doesn't belong....?

    No that's just the pacifists.


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  • #72
    Chuck Stone
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    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    Likewise, I'll criticise US policy when I have to, but you just got to admire the professional excellence of the SEALs.

    Not to take away from their expertise but it's suspected that they had help on the ground in the form of local intelligence.



  • #73
    token101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Not to take away from their expertise but it's suspected that they had help on the ground in the form of local intelligence.


    Probably, but sure how bad.


  • #74
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    token101 wrote: »
    Probably, but sure how bad.

    Ah yeah. Was just trying to point out that there are likely plenty of Somalians who are against the taking of hostages - especially aid workers I would have thought.


  • #75
    V_Moth
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    JONJO THE MISER wrote: »
    The U.S should go in there and get rid of these pirates.

    FAIL.


  • #76
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    They were already in extreme danger, it kind of comes with the territory of being a hostage. You know, the whole "their life is forfeit if..." thing. Part of the reason the US acted in this case was due to an apparent deterioration in the health of one of the hostages who may well have died as a hostage.



    ^^ Hookum....who would you rather be held captive by; somebody who has nothing against you personally or a somebody angered by the death of his comrades?
    You suffer from colonists syndrome and it's tantamount to a form of racism; at the end of the day, 'the native is expendable'. Bullying, what joe public in the States thinks is a beligerent, gets votes and this is what this whole operation is about.
    Put a couple of carriers in there with fast response patrolling jets and do the hard, expensive work for the betterment of everybody.
    The west stripped these people of their right to an existence over centuries, it's the least we could do.


  • #77
    token101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    ^^ Hookum....who would you rather be held captive by; somebody who has nothing against you personally or a somebody angered by the death of his comrades?
    You suffer from colonists syndrome and it's tantamount to a form of racism; at the end of the day, 'the native is expendable'. Bullying, what joe public in the States thinks is a beligerent, gets votes and this is what this whole operation is about.
    Put a couple of carriers in there with fast response patrolling jets and do the hard, expensive work for the betterment of everybody.
    The west stripped these people of their right to an existence over centuries, it's the least we could do.

    It's always America's fault isn't it? :rolleyes: All this colonial b******. Somalia got their independence long, long ago. They made, and continue to make, a mess of it with internal conflicts. It's a mess created by religious and tribal divides, most maniacal Islamists. Nothing to do with America. When America tried to help oust the warlords and help their government, as mandated by the UN, they were repelled by these gangs, druggies with guns. So leave them to it, let them sort their own mess out. Until they interfere with ships and foreign citizens that is, then everyone should be happy that America is happy to go in and kill these evil f***ers and wonder why their own special forces aren't doing the same where possible.


  • #78
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    token101 wrote: »
    It's always America's fault isn't it? :rolleyes:

    Who said that? Colonists left almost every colony they had in a mess when they withdrew. Some more than others. It could and has been argued that we are still in a post colonial phrase.
    But particularly in Africa they left a shameful mess that countries have yet to recover from. Britian where in Somalia until the 1960's along with France and Italy, they hadn't a hope, in reality, of establishing stable governance. It's a mess created by the west for which they are now paying. Blood letting won't cure the problems however much of a thrill those infatuated with American muscle get from it.


  • #79
    Bullseye1
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    I don't see anything wrong with admiring a government who care enough to extract their civilians from harm. It's not like these pirates have a political wing.


  • #80
    Johro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Johro


    pickarooney wrote: »
    We should pass some kind of Stamp Out Piracy Act.
    :D Cheers.


  • #81
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    ^^ Hookum....who would you rather be held captive by; somebody who has nothing against you personally or a somebody angered by the death of his comrades?
    The former will kill you if the money doesn't come, or the latter will kill you if the money doesn't come. Comrades? You must remember there is many gangs, all fighting for the drugs, for the money, for the power. I really doubt they'll care if their competition dies "because they're not stupid enough to let a Seal team get a drop on them..." :pac:


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  • #82
    token101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Who said that?

    You did:
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    You suffer from colonists syndrome and it's tantamount to a form of racism; at the end of the day, 'the native is expendable'. Bullying, what joe public in the States thinks is a beligerent, gets votes and this is what this whole operation is about.

    They held two Western tourists hostage and demanded money, and you're telling me that they did this because they were bullied and they aren't beligerents? Just victims of poverty? Why isn't every single other Somalian involved in it so?

    It's got nothing to do with wider issues in African society. It's about these f***ing scum of the earth types, who think butchering innocents is a way to make some money,who need to be eradicated from the earth and if America is happy to do it, I say fair play and thank you very much :)


  • #83
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    token101 wrote: »
    You did:



    They held two Western tourists hostage and demanded money, and you're telling me that they did this because they were bullied and they aren't beligerents? Just victims of poverty? Why isn't every single other Somalian involved in it so?

    It's got nothing to do with wider issues in African society. It's about these f***ing scum of the earth types, who think butchering innocents is a way to make some money,who need to be eradicated from the earth and if America is happy to do it, I say fair play and thank you very much :)

    Your ability to interpret posts is matched by your ignorance of why situations like this develop.

    I mentioned America in this instance because the Seals are American....doh!
    The blame lies with the west for the reasons I outlined. If you advocate wiping out what you call scum,(i.e. those who kill for gain) sooner or later you will have to take out the Americans.:D


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