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I think Maths should be restructured altogether, to recognise the very varied Mathematical abilities that exist among students; three levels aren't enough. The gap between OL and HL in the Leaving is huge; I know many girls in my class who aren't doing so well in HL Maths, but don't want to drop because the standard is much lower in the OL classes, they've covered a lot of what's on the OL LC course already (in the Junior Cert!) and would lose out big time on points. There should be more tiers to Maths; they could make the top tier more challenging than it is now ("Further Maths?"), a middle tier that's not as hard as the present HL Maths (but still a high standard, and more points than OL), followed by a lower tier that's roughly what we call OL, and then Foundation.
There are some students who struggle with Ordinary Level, but then again there are plenty of students (like myself) who love Maths, do really well in Higher Level and wish that Maths could be even more challenging. I do Applied Maths, and it's very different (in a good way) to "regular Maths", but I'd also love to see more advanced Calculus, Trigonometry, Algebra etc available to Leaving Cert students too.
Agreed!! It's shocking the difference between the levels!! The should definitely be more than three levels.. also as you pointed out its disgraceful that Junior Cert Maths is being taught to LC students!! Especially people in OL LC Maths who were in HL JC Maths!! :O Something definitely should be done, and tbh in my opinion, Project Maths was a big waste of time and money!
randylonghorn wrote: »And a much easier language to learn imho ... closer in structure and grammar to English, and oh lord so much easier to pronounce without wearing undersized underwear ... >_>
Stop.. Italian and Spanish should be on the same level as French and German eyes.. Another thing about languages in my school anyways, is that you can only take one.. I find this quite annoying.. I would have loved to take another language.. But I was forced to do one
Or even worse imo is that they allow students to take ART INSTEAD OF a THIRD LANGUAGE!!! I find this shocking!! All students should have the ability to speak a third language!! Its an extremely useful life skill!! :mad: I am so proud to be able to say i can speak fleunt English & Irish and good French and Spanish!!hattoncracker wrote: »Drivers Education!
Our school does Drivers Ed with the TYs.. They get to do theory and stimulator's!0 -
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Oppss I meant in my eyes.. All languages should be on the same levels!
They are on the same level - at least French, German, Italian and Spanish are for Leaving Cert.. What makes them different is the ease with which a person with English as a first language can learn them. In the old days where people did Latin this wasn't really a problem as Latin makes almost all European languages easier to learn.
For Leaving Cert., Russian and Japanese are to a lower standard than French/German/Spanish/Italian as you are expected to only have done 2 or 3 years of the former pair, while 5 or maybe even 6 years of the latter group.
The non-curricular Latvian, Lithuianian, Polish, Romanian, Bulgarian etc., expect native speaker standard and are usually taken by native speakers.
That said, I was bored one day supervising an Italian JC Mock and took the exam myself, managing to get an honour while never having had a class of Italian. I just used cop on and my 30 year old knowledge of Inter. Cert. French.0 -
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Agreed!! It's shocking the difference between the levels!! The should definitely be more than three levels.. also as you pointed out its disgraceful that Junior Cert Maths is being taught to LC students!! Especially people in OL LC Maths who were in HL JC Maths!! :O Something definitely should be done, and tbh in my opinion, Project Maths was a big waste of time and money!
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Agreed!! It's shocking the difference between the levels!! The should definitely be more than three levels.. also as you pointed out its disgraceful that Junior Cert Maths is being taught to LC students!! Especially people in OL LC Maths who were in HL JC Maths!! :O Something definitely should be done, and tbh in my opinion, Project Maths was a big waste of time and money!
It isn't
Yeah it is. Material covered in Junior Cert Higher Level is covered at Leaving Cert Ordinary Level!0 -
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They are on the same level - at least French, German, Italian and Spanish are for Leaving Cert.. What makes them different is the ease with which a person with English as a first language can learn them. In the old days where people did Latin this wasn't really a problem as Latin makes almost all European languages easier to learn.
For Leaving Cert., Russian and Japanese are to a lower standard than French/German/Spanish/Italian as you are expected to only have done 2 or 3 years of the former pair, while 5 or maybe even 6 years of the latter group.
The non-curricular Latvian, Lithuianian, Polish, Romanian, Bulgarian etc., expect native speaker standard and are usually taken by native speakers.
That said, I was bored one day supervising an Italian JC Mock and took the exam myself, managing to get an honour while never having had a class of Italian. I just used cop on and my 30 year old knowledge of Inter. Cert. French.randylonghorn wrote: »Be that as it may, some are easier to learn than others, though ofc which languages people find easier is pretty much dependent on what their first language is.
Bit of confusion here, I meant that the languages should be treated the same in schools. Like for example, in my home town there are three fairly equally populated secondary schools. In mine and one other school you take either French or German. In the third school you have to take French. I mean our town isn't exactly small and there is no Spanish or Italian taught here! :O I personally know a number of student have numerously said they would have loved a Spanish class.. but alas none Thats what I meant that French and German are more popularly taught in my point f view anyway.. may be different elsewhere. 
ride-the-spiral wrote: »Definitely think that programming or computer science should be included as an LC subject. I also think that there should be a change in a lot of subjects to incorporate the use of computers, for instance in the sciences and business world computers are incredibly useful but there's been no real drive to include them in the subjects in any meaningful way.
And more of me being a pedant then anything, but I'd prefer if Applied Maths was called Mechanics or something. :pac:
Agreed!! Computers in school is a joke tbh.. I mean I was soo excited to get onto ICT in Business.. And then all we did was learn terms!! :O Terms that our whole class knew already! Waste of a class!! But still Spurious is right with the way the country is now I doubt we'll be getting computers in our schools to teach like we wish! :P Although my schools getting a huge extension in the next few years.. Its set to have a recording studio, computer library and web conferencing room in it! I can't wait.. Its expected to be finished in two or three years time.. So I'll still be in school!!
Yes Applied Maths is a bit misleading.. If i didnt already know what it was, id think it was a way of applying maths to situations!!Yeah I know, but there are some people who think think that there's no difference between HL maths for Junior Cert and OL maths for Leaving Cert and I though that was what the OP was trying to say
No.. I was saying how its shocking that OL LC classes are being taught things from HL JC Maths!0 -
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