Liverpool v Manchester United Match Thread (FA Cup 4th Rd) - Mod Note 544

eagle eye

Here we go, Suarez vs Evra again.:rolleyes:

Do you guys like football at all or is it just the hating part of it that you like?

Its always a big game when United meet Liverpool and its not going to be easy for either team. Some of the Liverpool players that started the other night will be tired after a tough game. United look in bad shape with injuries but they have been very good away from home this season and I think I'd fancy them to nick this one by a goal.

stumpypeeps

IvySlayer wrote: »

Like you will boo Suarez?

Now regardless of who's right or wrong, it plays out like this...

Respected 3 man panel find, based on the balance of probability and the impressive testimony of Evra, that Luis Suarez is guilty of racial abuse.

or

3 man kangaroo court find Suarez guilty without a shred of evidence barring the testimony of a player who has a track record of giving unreliable evidence.

In reality nobody's right.

Kylo Ren

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Now regardless of who's right or wrong, it plays out like this...

Respected 3 man panel find, based on the balance of probability and the impressive testimony of Evra, that Luis Suarez is guilty of racial abuse.

or

3 man kangaroo court find Suarez guilty without a shred of evidence barring the testimony of a player who has a track record of giving unreliable evidence.

In reality nobody's right.

Well I know for a fact Kangaroos have not been employed by the FA for at least 15 years so you can rule that one out.

d22ontour

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Now regardless of who's right or wrong, it plays out like this...

Respected 3 man panel find, based on the balance of probability and the impressive testimony of Evra, that Luis Suarez is guilty of racial abuse.

or

3 man kangaroo court find Suarez guilty without a shred of evidence barring the testimony of a player who has a track record of giving unreliable evidence and the accused admitting to using words which may be construed to being used in a friendly way but also in a not so friendly way.

In reality nobody's right.

Sure, let's blame the negrito so ?

Blatter

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Its a long time since Utd won at Anfield. Given the players missing, I think they'll struggle tomorrow. This isn't a great Liverpool team but this is the poorest Utd team in 10 years in my opinion.

This cliche always makes me laugh.

The current United first team and squad are superior to the team of 2004-2006. The team has often played poorly, looked disjointed and picked up poor results mainly due to the chopping and changing forced upon Ferguson because of injuries.

Vidic - Out for the season

Ferdinand - Misses half our games

Jones - Missed a couple of games

Smalling - Missed around 6 weeks

Evans - Missed a couple of weeks

Rafael - Missed over 3 months

Fabio - Missed around 6 weeks

Fletcher - Out for the season

Cleverley - Missed 3 months

Anderson - Missed around 3 months

Young - Missed around 6 weeks

Valencia - Missed around a month at the start

Hernandez - Missed around 6 weeks

Welbeck - Missed around 6 weeks

Rooney - Missed a couple of games

Nani - Could be out for a couple of months now


It's extraordinary that this United side that is allegedly 'the poorest in the last 10 years' are only 3 points off Man City given the ridiculous amount of injuries they have had to cope with. If Liverpool, Newcastle etc. had to cope with that many injuries to their key players they would probably be nearer to the relegation zone than the top 4.

eugeneious

I reckon Utd will snatch this by a goal. If L'pool hadn't had the midweek game I would probably have them as favourites because of Utd's injuries but after all the energy they put into Wednesday I think Utd will just be too much for them.

stumpypeeps

d22ontour wrote: »

Sure, let's blame the negrito so ?

I think what Evra gets tomorrow, will pale compared to what Suarez gets at OT.

stumpypeeps

Blatter wrote: »

This cliche always makes me laugh.

The current United first team and squad are superior to the team of 2004-2006. The team has often played poorly, looked disjointed and picked up poor results mainly due to the chopping and changing forced upon Ferguson because of injuries.

Vidic - Out for the season

Ferdinand - Misses half our games

Jones - Missed a couple of games

Smalling - Missed around 6 weeks

Evans - Missed a couple of weeks

Rafael - Missed over 3 months

Fabio - Missed around 6 weeks

Fletcher - Out for the season

Cleverley - Missed 3 months

Anderson - Missed around 3 months

Young - Missed around 6 weeks

Valencia - Missed around a month at the start

Hernandez - Missed around 6 weeks

Welbeck - Missed around 6 weeks

Rooney - Missed a couple of games

Nani - Could be out for a couple of months now


It's extraordinary that this United side that is allegedly 'the poorest in the last 10 years' are only 3 points off Man City given the ridiculous amount of injuries they have had to cope with. If Liverpool, Newcastle etc. had to cope with that many injuries to their key players they would probably be nearer to the relegation zone than the top 4.

Its a testament to the Fergusons ability to produce teams that win games. I still think this isn't a great Utd side in comparison to previous years but they are still streets ahead of everyone bar City. I still think they'll pip City to the title too.

I might be way off the mark but I think if you work hard and close them down this Utd team doesn't have quality of teams past and can be beaten.

d22ontour

stumpypeeps wrote: »

I think what Evra gets tomorrow, will pale compared to what Suarez gets at OT.

Hard to tell, Old Trafford can hold more idiot fans than Anfield based on capacity so would be hard to judge.
Suarez admitted to using word/s that may or may not be nice etc and was banned for it accordingly.
Evra did nothing but report what Suarez admitting to saying, he did nothing wrong,why he should be vilified for doing that, that is insane, this issue should have no club colour 'pardon the pun' attached to it whatsoever tbh.
How it was handled by both clubs could/should have ended this months ago if it was a cultural indifference but that is irrelevant now unfortunately...

Blatter

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Its a testament to the Fergusons ability to produce teams that win games. I still think this isn't a great Utd side in comparison to previous years but they are still streets ahead of everyone bar City. I still think they'll pip City to the title too.

I might be way off the mark but I think if you work hard and close them down this Utd team doesn't have quality of teams past and can be beaten.

Ferguson deserves a lot of credit but so do the players in fairness. They're the ones that have to do it on the field:p If they're not good enough you could have Jose Mourinho and Ferguson combined as a manager and they still won't compete at the highest level.

The first 11 when everyone is fit is definitely not as good as many of the teams gone by for one reason or another. Mainly because our CM isn't top class and we have an awful lot of young players in the side. Essentially the team is in transition.

But in my opinion, the actual squad is one of the strongest squads Ferguson has ever had. You could literally pick two teams from the squad and there wouldn't be a massive difference in quality between the two. It's why they have done so well in the league despite all the injuries.

niallo27

d22ontour wrote: »

Hard to tell, Old Trafford can hold more idiot fans than Anfield based on capacity so would be hard to judge.
Suarez admitted to using word/s that may or may not be nice etc and was banned for it accordingly.
Evra did nothing but report what Suarez admitting to saying, he did nothing wrong,why he should be vilified for doing that, that is insane, this issue should have no club colour 'pardon the pun' attached to it whatsoever tbh.
How it was handled by both clubs could/should have ended this months ago if it was a cultural indifference but that is irrelevant now unfortunately...

I won't say evra did nothing now, he insulted Suarez sister, went kissing the badge to the main stand, claimed Suarez called him a ****** to the ref, he is no angel.

Crazy Horse 6

Feck this. Off to the bed early start in the morn. Pity i'm gonna miss the match thread tomorrow i know ye will all miss my valuable input . Later negritos.

d22ontour

niallo27 wrote: »

I won't say evra did nothing now, he insulted Suarez sister,

Suarez should have reported this abuse and hopefully the kangaroo court would have punished Evra, but alas Suarez never heard this and unfortunately it resulted in nothing.

niallo27 wrote: »

went kissing the badge to the main stand,

This is a non issue, nothing like a bit of friendly banter on the field.

niallo27 wrote: »

claimed Suarez called him a ****** to the ref, he is no angel.

Suarez admitted calling him it ?

niallo27

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

Feck this. Off to the bed early start in the morn. Pity i'm gonna miss the match thread tomorrow i know ye will all miss my valuable input . Later negritos.

Where you flying from.

monkey9

Fecking hell, lads. There's a racist thread for all that sh!t. The reality is, Evra's getting dogs abuse tomorrow. Suarez is getting dogs abuse in February! Now, back to the match....

d22ontour

monkey9 wrote: »

Fecking hell, lads. There's a racist thread for all that sh!t. The reality is, Evra's getting dogs abuse tomorrow. Suarez is getting dogs abuse in February! Now, back to the match....

Tinfoil hat fans got the racist thread closed, thankfully.
Evra is getting abuse for being racially abused.
Suarez is getting abuse for using racial slurs.
Thanks for clearing that up, my conscience is clear next month so. :pac:

On to the game as you say...

Liverpool should probably take it with their amazing ability of game raising it for the last 20 years when it doesn't matter, United on the other hand are suffering a pandemic injurywise.
If United can get a draw from this i would be shocked, performance levels have been more miss than hit just like last season, taking on the Pool is hard enough full strength, weakened as we are, it will be even harder.

Turtyturd

d22ontour wrote: »

Tinfoil hat fans got the racist thread closed, thankfully.
Evra is getting abuse for being racially abused.
Suarez is getting abuse for using racial slurs.
Thanks for clearing that up, my conscience is clear next month so. :pac:

On to the game as you say...

Liverpool should probably take it with their amazing ability of game raising it for the last 20 years when it doesn't matter, United on the other hand are suffering a pandemic injurywise.
If United can get a draw from this i would be shocked, performance levels have been more miss than hit just like last season, taking on the Pool is hard enough full strength, weakened as we are, it will be even harder.

Possibly United's best chance of wining a trophy this season, and a chance for Liverpool to progress...I think it matters to both teams.

Iang87

can I just ask, say there's a 50/50 tomorrow and lets say gerrard running at full speed and lets say evra lands in row 34 of the kop but gerrard gets the ball. Will it be a straight red?

Basically what i'm gettin at does anyone think evra gets a one time only cannot be touched by any opposition player card.

seanwhite20

d22ontour wrote: »

Tinfoil hat fans got the racist thread closed, thankfully.
Evra is getting abuse for being racially abused.
Suarez is getting abuse for using racial slurs.
Thanks for clearing that up, my conscience is clear next month so. :pac:

On to the game as you say...

Liverpool should probably take it with their amazing ability of game raising it for the last 20 years when it doesn't matter, United on the other hand are suffering a pandemic injurywise.
If United can get a draw from this i would be shocked, performance levels have been more miss than hit just like last season, taking on the Pool is hard enough full strength, weakened as we are, it will be even harder.

Pfffft.....Who you kiddin with this???

Turtyturd

Iang87 wrote: »

can I just ask, say there's a 50/50 tomorrow and lets say gerrard running at full speed and lets say evra lands in row 34 of the kop but gerrard gets the ball. Will it be a straight red?

Basically what i'm gettin at does anyone think evra gets a one time only cannot be touched by any opposition player card.

I think there will be an element of that, even unintentionally, all eyes will be on him tomorrow and this will affect any decisions the ref make regarding him. He will definitely win the coin toss IMO.

Edit: Then again it could go the opposite way and refs may not want to appear bias in his favour and overcompensate towards Liverpool.

Blatter

Rooney apparently missed training today so he probably won't start anyway and Nani is almost certainly out.

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Lindegaard

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Rafael

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Smalling

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Evans

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Evra
Valencia

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Carrick----Anderson/Scholes

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Park

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Giggs

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Welbeck

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Is something like what I expect.

d22ontour

Turtyturd wrote: »

Possibly United's best chance of wining a trophy this season, and a chance for Liverpool to progress...I think it matters to both teams.

The game raising point wasn't meant for this game or season...The point being that Liverpool can consistently raise their game and beat all of the top teams but struggle to raise their game for 'lower' placed sides for the last 20 years is the point.

niallo27

d22ontour wrote: »

Tinfoil hat fans got the racist thread closed, thankfully.
Evra is getting abuse for being racially abused.
Suarez is getting abuse for using racial slurs.
Thanks for clearing that up, my conscience is clear next month so. :pac:

On to the game as you say...

Liverpool should probably take it with their amazing ability of game raising it for the last 20 years when it doesn't matter, United on the other hand are suffering a pandemic injurywise.
If United can get a draw from this i would be shocked, performance levels have been more miss than hit just like last season, taking on the Pool is hard enough full strength, weakened as we are, it will be even harder.

Ill just pull you on that there and say thats not the reason he will get abused.

d22ontour

seanwhite20 wrote: »

Pfffft.....Who you kiddin with this???

Beat United/Arsenal/Chelsea at home, don't take 9 points from Wigan/West Brom/Bolton at home achieves what ? Trophies ?

Pfft. :rolleyes:

d22ontour

niallo27 wrote: »

Ill just pull you on that there and say thats not the reason he will get abused.

What is the reason he will get more abuse for this game and any other game after this in which he plays than the games previously, may i ask ?

niallo27

niallo27 wrote: »

d22ontour wrote: »

Tinfoil hat fans got the racist thread closed, thankfully.
Evra is getting abuse for being racially abused.
Suarez is getting abuse for using racial slurs.
Thanks for clearing that up, my conscience is clear next month so. :pac:

On to the game as you say...

Liverpool should probably take it with their amazing ability of game raising it for the last 20 years when it doesn't matter, United on the other hand are suffering a pandemic injurywise.
If United can get a draw from this i would be shocked, performance levels have been more miss than hit just like last season, taking on the Pool is hard enough full strength, weakened as we are, it will be even harder.

Ill just pull you on that there and say thats not the reason he will get abused.

So he didn't much abuse before the racism incident, but if he does get it tomorrow all of a sudden it'll be nothing to do with that? Amazing.

Jesus Wept

Liverpool.

Does it go to extra time/penos?

Iang87

d22ontour wrote: »

What is the reason he will get more abuse for this game and any other game after this in which he plays than the games previously, may i ask ?

speaking for myself well one will be that he can abuse suarez and nothing happens him.


(not getting into the debate, results in threads closing, and bans)


oh and two i'll probably also abuse him cos I dont like him he's a sneaky **** stirrer for the most part.

I also must mention i always abused him so I was racist before it was cool :pac:

Iang87

The-Rigger wrote: »

Liverpool.

Does it go to extra time/penos?

no be a replay. Maybe mid february could be back to back liverpool united games (good luck mods)

d22ontour

Iang87 wrote: »

I was racist before it was cool :pac:

It was never cool.

niallo27

d22ontour wrote: »

What is the reason he will get more abuse for this game and any other game after this in which he plays than the games previously, may i ask ?

Sacramento wrote: »

So he didn't much abuse before the racism incident, but if he does get it tomorrow all of a sudden it'll be nothing to do with that? Amazing.

I already said why, have a look back at the previous page.

Iang87

d22ontour wrote: »

It was never cool.

we disagree on many levels. I suggest you stay out of my way and I yours;)

Jesus Wept

Iang87 wrote: »

no be a replay. Maybe mid february could be back to back liverpool united games (good luck mods)

At Old Trafford? Better wrap this up tomorrow.

niallo27

niallo27 wrote: »

d22ontour wrote: »

What is the reason he will get more abuse for this game and any other game after this in which he plays than the games previously, may i ask ?

Sacramento wrote: »

So he didn't much abuse before the racism incident, but if he does get it tomorrow all of a sudden it'll be nothing to do with that? Amazing.

I already said why, have a look back at the previous page.

You didn't explain it though, he's going to get booed by Liverpool fans like never before because all of a sudden they've changed their opinion on him, and it's nothing to do with the racism incident??

Edit, you did explain it. But your points were argued and you didn't reply... Suarez admitted to using the word, and pinching his skin while he did it.

niallo27

Sacramento wrote: »

You didn't explain it though, he's going to get booed by Liverpool fans like never before because all of a sudden they've changed their opinion on him, and it's nothing to do with the racism incident??

Oh yes it has to do with the racism incident alright and the way he handled it and what he said and did that day, i was responding to the poster that said Evra will get booed only because he was racially abused.

niallo27

Sacramento wrote: »

You didn't explain it though, he's going to get booed by Liverpool fans like never before because all of a sudden they've changed their opinion on him, and it's nothing to do with the racism incident??

Edit, you did explain it. But your points were argued and you didn't reply... Suarez admitted to using the word, and pinching his skin while he did it.

He never admitted to using the word n**ger which evra told the ref after the match that he did.

niallo27

niallo27 wrote: »

Sacramento wrote: »

You didn't explain it though, he's going to get booed by Liverpool fans like never before because all of a sudden they've changed their opinion on him, and it's nothing to do with the racism incident??

Oh yes it has to do with the racism incident alright and the way he handled it and what he said and did that day, i was responding to the poster that said Evra will get booed only because he was racially abused.

Yes I suppose Evra did react badly to being racially abused, having that word used against him, having his skin pinched while being racially abused, not bringing the subject to the press and generally letting the appropriate authority deal with the incident....


Edit: He used the word negrito in a derogatory way, I never said Suarez said anything else, please read my posts properly.

Blatter

niallo27 wrote: »

He never admitted to using the word n**ger which evra told the ref after the match that he did.

That is not correct Niallo. Evra had always maintained that the word Suarez used towards him was negro but had thought at the time that it translates to n*gger in English, but later accepted it meant black in English.

Anyway, enough on that and lets concentrate on the game.;)

I can't predict an outcome without having a better idea of what teams both sides will put out. There are a lot more questions that usual in terms of what players will be available to play tomorrow for both sides.

niallo27

Blatter wrote: »

That is not correct Niallo. Evra had always maintained that the word Suarez used towards him was negro but had thought at the time that it translates to n*gger in Spanish, but later accepted it meant black in Spanish.

Anyway, enough on that and lets concentrate on the game.;)

I can't predict an outcome without having a better idea of what teams both sides will put out. There are a lot more questions that usual in terms of what players will be available to play tomorrow for both sides.

Your wrong there but your right lets concentrate on the game.

daithijjj

Im going to take the moral high ground tomorrow and just refer to Evra's nationality and the fact he bangs his sister's p***y a few times, this is perfectly fine under FA rules and i shall receive no sanction as it shouldn't wind anyone up. (<

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that's tongue in cheek by the way for any meatheads reading).

Moving on to the game itself, will be interesting to see Utd's starting line up and if Bellamy starts. Anticipate a few glaring mistakes by players and officials, booing certain players will no doubt be racist because some fool in the media has a paper to sell on Sunday/Monday.

Pool to win 1-0, Bellamy to get it.

Blatter

Blatter wrote: »

niallo27 wrote: »

He never admitted to using the word n**ger which evra told the ref after the match that he did.

That is not correct Niallo. Evra had always maintained that the word Suarez used towards him was negro but had thought at the time that it translates to n*gger in Spanish, but later accepted it meant black in Spanish.

WHAT!? As much as I want to keep it on topic, and I do fear a liverpool team that seem to perform well against us, your post is very poorly informed.

Grayditch

Jesus, people are actually getting into the race row.

Grayditch

Grayditch wrote: »

Jesus, people are actually getting into the race row.

Sorry, got sucked in by a WUM.

I'm be punished for it though, I'll be working while it's on...

DB21

Opening bets on how many pages before this topic is locked and restarted. Odds for a mod warning aren't worth setting.

K-9

d22ontour wrote: »

The game raising point wasn't meant for this game or season...The point being that Liverpool can consistently raise their game and beat all of the top teams but struggle to raise their game for 'lower' placed sides for the last 20 years is the point.

Amazing insight there!

I didn't hold up much hope for Liverpool before the City match, Lucas out being the main reason. After Wednesday I'm more hopeful. Bellamy and Kuyt were big reasons for that performance. If Bellamy can't play I can see Kuyt being played up front, with a 5 man midfield with Maxi filling in for the Kuyt place.

El Inho

the time for evra is near....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcZ9ku_wInw

d22ontour

K-9 wrote: »

Amazing insight there!

Disprove it please so.

K-9 wrote: »

I didn't hold up much hope for Liverpool before the City match, Lucas out being the main reason. After Wednesday I'm more hopeful. Bellamy and Kuyt were big reasons for that performance. If Bellamy can't play I can see Kuyt being played up front, with a 5 man midfield with Maxi filling in for the Kuyt place.

You outplayed them both legs in both first halves and then stifled/ground them out 2nd halves both legs with ease somewhat.You were never on the fingernails really.

K-9

d22ontour wrote: »

Disprove it please so.

You got my sarcasm then!

You outplayed them both legs in both first halves and then stifled/ground them out 2nd halves both legs with ease somewhat.You were never on the fingernails really.

Stifled them because Lucas was out and Spearing got injured in the first half of the first leg, wasn't much option.

As for the second leg, fell behind twice and City took the one good chance they had, De Jong had a dream goal. It was finger nail stuff, especially after City's second.

What was encouraging was how little City made of their possession and they had more possession, it seemed otherwise watching the match. One mistake and and a wonder goal cost Liverpool. Liverpools' problem will be taking their chances, to state the obvious.

I'd say it will be a draw and 2 derbies to come at Old Trafford!

Fuhrer

eldwaro wrote: »

the time for evra is near....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcZ9ku_wInw

Stay classy Liverpool fans...

Glico Man

Fuhrer wrote: »

Stay classy Liverpool fans...

How many times must I and many others say to stop lumping us all in with the few... really gets on my tits