Bray airshow 2012

garfieldsghost

snowserpeant wrote: »

the draken was not flying with the fuel tank in question.that was on the ground as part of the stores display that the aircraft can carry...and it WAS NOT the swedish air force,it was a DANISH airforce draken

I remember this airshow well. As others have said, it was a Swedish Draken on display.

snowserpeant

oh YES it was a DANISH draken.it was the 1989 show,not the 1993 show when the swedish drakens turned up

Duffer2010

Jets at the Air Specacular of 89' where an A 10, MB326 from Italy, a Luftwaffe Alpha Jet and the Patrouille de France. Definitely no Danish Airforce Draken.


Hold on I see there is an update to the Bray website a Druine Condor will be appearing! The excitement never ends. They get the strangest of acts.

b757

Duffer2010 wrote: »

Jets at the Air Specacular of 89' where an A 10,
Hold on I see there is an update to the Bray website a Druine Condor will be appearing! The excitement never ends. They get the strangest of acts.

Yeah such a great addition to the lineup...

Such fun to watch..
NOT

Stovepipe

The Drakens were Swedish, in 89, as was their associated Hercules and the Unimog service truck (with very non-rusty equipment) and the coach that got off the Hercules (personally marshalled by me), along with about 30 Swedes. My colleagues and I spent a long time with the Drakens as we were detailed to handle them and provide them with anything they needed. Apart from directions to the bar and the toilet, they needed not a jot, as they had brought absolutely everything, including fluency in English and Swedish beer;)
regards
Stovepipe

Duffer2010

BD 5 now added to lineup. What do you guys think the USAF will send? I reckon it will be large with at least four engines.

b757

Duffer2010 wrote: »

BD 5 now added to lineup. What do you guys think the USAF will send? I reckon it will be large with at least four engines.

Or eight engines, usually send the b52 dont they?

airbusa320

Doubt it only sent the B52 once. Prob a c130- 0r a C17, but would be great to see a couple of F-15 from LN ?

Duffer2010

Yeah even if a pair of F-15's done a quick flyby it would be a big addition to the line up. I remember at the 1996 Abbeyshrule Airshow, two USAF F-16's done this. Just to hear a supersonic aircraft at an Irish show south of the border again would be great.

b757

Yeah it would be brilliant..

Maybe they should contact the RAF, surely they may send over something if they cover some fuel costs.. Would be nice to see a VC10, Tristar KC1 or the Boeing 707 Sentry..

What would be the rough costs for the fuel for the short trip over?

A chinook, tornado or typhoon would be a great addition to the show also if they could sort something out

Plane Jane

The request for any foreign participation has to be made a good 10 months in advance!! You cant just phone up and request it!!

garfieldsghost

Duffer2010 wrote: »

Yeah even if a pair of F-15's done a quick flyby it would be a big addition to the line up. I remember at the 1996 Abbeyshrule Airshow, two USAF F-16's done this. Just to hear a supersonic aircraft at an Irish show south of the border again would be great.

Good times. Another year they had a couple of F-15s and an A-10...

b757

Any more news on bray?
Nothing on website.. i presume that they wont be adding anything else

snowserpeant

b757 wrote: »

Any more news on bray?
Nothing on website.. i presume that they wont be adding anything else

have not heard anything else.i would think that they wont be adding anymore as it starts a 3.30 so,overall,its not a lot of time for flying....i wont be going...instead i will watch it from howth summit which is only a few minutes from where i live

airbusa320

No word on the usual coastguard confirmimg or if the Air Corps will be attending this year as of yet.
The USAF are also in the same bracket ?

snowserpeant

why am i not surprised

Teddy Edward

I see Newcastle festival of flight august 11th 2012 has nice line up,

RAF Typhoon, Hawk, Tucano and BBMF
Danish Air Force 109 and C130 also

Not bad for an airshow only 2 years old!!

airbusa320

Any one know if there is a website for this airshow. Its not too easy to get much information about it. Its the Belgians sending the 109 and the c130, but not looking to bad at all for a very young airshow.

Teddy Edward

Sorry Airbusa 320 you are 100% correct...my mistake:o

No idea on website....anyone else?

airbusa320

It looks like the hawker hunter has been removed fron the offical website.

b757

airbusa320 wrote: »

It looks like the hawker hunter has been removed fron the offical website.

Why am i not surprised.... I'd say that the people doing the airshow don't give a shi*e what comes to display, the way the lineup has been for the past few years.

Also why do they have the blades down in 5 different pictures on the website? Probably trying to make it that they might have something decent showing up that doesn't do a 40knt fly by

Duffer2010

I was half considering going to this thing, based on the appearance of the Hunter. It's absence from the website seals the deal now. Watching Cessna's doing circuit training in Weston would be more exciting then this crap.

Teddy Edward

Why announce in the papers and plaster all over the website the Hunter is coming and then remove all like it never happened.

These people know nothing about airshows!!

Bring back Salthill

Aerohead

I was looking at Air Show reviews on UKAR when I came across the 2007 one in Salthill , God we were spoiled for choice it got a great write up, great praise for organisers and how they attracted so much foreign military displays.

Link: http://www.airshows.co.uk/reports/overseas/2007/salthill-air-show/

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Teddy Edward wrote: »

Why announce in the papers and plaster all over the website the Hunter is coming and then remove all like it never happened.

These people know nothing about airshows!!

Bring back Salthill

i just KNEW this sort of thing was going to happen...well done to the orgaiser NOT....yet again more empty promises:mad:....not going now,instead i will go to see it on howth head which is a damn sight nearer to where i live

Lustrum

Bray is obviously going to dissapoint, so why not take the short hop over to Bournemouth at the end of August.

Aer Lingus are showing return flights at the moment for €103

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQCgl5NFd4I

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i might just do that:)

armchair pilot

I have read through postings on this thread over the past couple months. Its amazing the frustration of most contributors here. There appears no response from the organiser. Probably because as many of you have indicated, he is too busy with his other commercial interests to be bothered reading these comments, let along bother about any degree of organising. Perhaps if he made the effort to read some of the more constructive comments he would start planning the 2013 air display (not air show!!) as soon as 2012 is finished.

Several have referred to the Red Arrows. A request for their appearance must be made in the preceding September. Had he made this request in September 2011, perhaps he could have benefited from their appearance at Rhyl, a mere 90nms from Bray, on the eve of the Bray 'Spectacular' show.

Guys, I think the nearest you can expect in terms of a fast jet was the Tornado observed at Bray one morning a couple of months ago!!. Just look where Portrush is after ten successful free seaside air shows.......... http://www.niinternationalairshow.co.uk/. This is year 7 for this current organiser at Bray.

The promo on the web site is inaccurate and misleading. http://www.brayairdisplay.com/. "Ireland’s largest free air show". Is he trying to fool the public that Bray is bigger than Portrush, or perhaps that Portrush is no longer on the island of Ireland??

Sé Pardy from Simtech Aviation, said; “Every year, the Air Spectacular grows in size and spectacle and on Sunday July 22nd, we are planning another fun-filled, family day, that will thrill tens of thousands of spectators. Alongside firm favorites, we are also bringing new planes and pilots to Bray, adding even more excitement to an already winning formula at Bray Summerfest.” . Who is this guy trying to kid !!!!

On 1 May 'Snowserpeant' (above) confronted this organiser and was told he had a few surprises. With 5 weeks to go isnt it time he had these 'surprises' posted on the web site???. Perhaps 'Snowserpeant' might direct that Aer Lingus captain to the comments on Boards.ie !!!. Eddie Goggins aircraft has long been sold and left the country, yet it is still featured as an act coming to Bray !!. If it wasn't for our own Irish Air Corps, the display would start at 3.30 and be over shortly after 4pm.

It is evident there was never a chance of the Hunter coming to Bray............... sure the organiser might as well have misled us about the Reds, and national aerobatic teams from Spain, France, Switzerland, Italy etc, etc.. even the USAF Thunderbirds !!! The usual US contribution will be some machine on its way back to the USA overflying Dublin Bay. Seems the organisers are just pocketing their substantial fee and laughing at us all. !!!

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armchair pilot wrote: »

I have read through postings on this thread over the past couple months. Its amazing the frustration of most contributors here. There appears no response from the organiser. Probably because as many of you have indicated, he is too busy with his other commercial interests to be bothered reading these comments, let along bother about any degree of organising. Perhaps if he made the effort to read some of the more constructive comments he would start planning the 2013 air display (not air show!!) as soon as 2012 is finished.

Several have referred to the Red Arrows. A request for their appearance must be made in the preceding September. Had he made this request in September 2011, perhaps he could have benefited from their appearance at Rhyl, a mere 90nms from Bray, on the eve of the Bray 'Spectacular' show.

Guys, I think the nearest you can expect in terms of a fast jet was the Tornado observed at Bray one morning a couple of months ago!!. Just look where Portrush is after ten successful free seaside air shows.......... http://www.niinternationalairshow.co.uk/. This is year 7 for this current organiser at Bray.

The promo on the web site is inaccurate and misleading. http://www.brayairdisplay.com/. "Ireland’s largest free air show". Is he trying to fool the public that Bray is bigger than Portrush, or perhaps that Portrush is no longer on the island of Ireland??

Sé Pardy from Simtech Aviation, said; “Every year, the Air Spectacular grows in size and spectacle and on Sunday July 22nd, we are planning another fun-filled, family day, that will thrill tens of thousands of spectators. Alongside firm favorites, we are also bringing new planes and pilots to Bray, adding even more excitement to an already winning formula at Bray Summerfest.” . Who is this guy trying to kid !!!!

On 1 May 'Snowserpeant' (above) confronted this organiser and was told he had a few surprises. With 5 weeks to go isnt it time he had these 'surprises' posted on the web site???. Perhaps 'Snowserpeant' might direct that Aer Lingus captain to the comments on Boards.ie !!!. Eddie Goggins aircraft has long been sold and left the country, yet it is still featured as an act coming to Bray !!. If it wasn't for our own Irish Air Corps, the display would start at 3.30 and be over shortly after 4pm.

It is evident there was never a chance of the Hunter coming to Bray............... sure the organiser might as well have misled us about the Reds, and national aerobatic teams from Spain, France, Switzerland, Italy etc, etc.. even the USAF Thunderbirds !!! The usual US contribution will be some machine on its way back to the USA overflying Dublin Bay. Seems the organisers are just pocketing their substantial fee and laughing at us all. !!!

i also know se pardy and it is he himself that is the organiser,now being a captain with aer lingus you would think he would have at least the slightest amount of intrest in this airshow,i just cant understand it....and as for the hunter,i KNEW it would NEVER turn up and i cant wait to hear what he gives as the reason / excuse for its no show.just goes to show what snowserpeant said previously..."just because an aircraft is confirmed does NOT mean it will turn up"....looks like itsgoing to bea few cans of beer and watching it on howth head for me.dont fancy spending over an hour on a packed dart just to see the same stuff again

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airbusa320 wrote: »

It looks like the hawker hunter has been removed fron the offical website.

this is just me speculating but i would not be 1 bit surprised if the guy / guys who own this hunter saw it being advertised for bray and told the team behind bray that they would sue bray council and the airshow team if it was not removed from the line up as they were / are not actually invited [false advertising]..as i say ,its just me thinking outloud but its possable

airbusa320

I dont think legal action was on the cards but you have to ask the question of why the hunter was even mentioned if it ws never on the cards to display at Bray let alone have an article in the paper about it ?

Stringman

Hey guys, i don't normally comment on these boards, just keep an eye on whats been flying around, but felt i had to say that if you look at the comments on brays facebook page, the hawker man says hes still coming.

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how long ago was that comment made by the hunter pilot,as for it being advertised when it clearly was not going to be here is just stupid.

airbusa320

At the start of the week the owner of the hunter posted a reply to a comment left on the facebook page .

Plane Jane

Why doesn't someone contact the organisers Simtech and see what they say?

The mail address on the Bray site is airspec@indigo.ie

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airbusa320 wrote: »

At the start of the week the owner of the hunter posted a reply to a comment left on the facebook page .

that sounds strange as he is coming but his hunter is not....what about the jet provost that was also mooted as a possability

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Plane Jane wrote: »

Why doesn't someone contact the organisers Simtech and see what they say?

The mail address on the Bray site is airspec@indigo.ie

i have contacted them as i know most of the guys who work there and as far as the owners / managers go you might aswell be talking to the wall if trying to get info on bray...sorry to say it but that really is their attatude:mad:

b757

television wrote: »

i have contacted them as i know most of the guys who work there and as far as the owners / managers go you might aswell be talking to the wall if trying to get info on bray...sorry to say it but that really is their attatude:mad:

Your not the only one who got nothing back.

Emailed the organizer of the group of lads who were trying to get the airshow in Tramore this year, and the type of a/c they were trying to get was amazing.. But i presume finances prevented it from happening.. Hopefully next year.

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i can imagine there is quite a few.as far as tramore goes,yes hopefully next year

Duffer2010

Teddy Edward wrote: »

I see Newcastle festival of flight august 11th 2012 has nice line up,

RAF Typhoon, Hawk, Tucano and BBMF
Danish Air Force 109 and C130 also

Not bad for an airshow only 2 years old!!

Teddy Edward where did you get this info re; Newcastle? That is a very nice little line up.

Plane Jane

THE GNAT DISPLAY TEAM IS CURRENTLY CONFIRMED AT THE FOLLOWING AIRSHOWS DURING 2012:

17th June 2012 - RAF Cosford Airshow 2012
30th June - 1st July 2012 - RAF Waddington International Airshow
7th -8th July 2012 - Royal International Air Tattoo 2012, RAF Fairford (TBC)
13th-15th July 2012 - Farnborough International 2012 (TBC)
9th-12th August 2012 - Airbourne 2012 , Eastbourne Seafront (TBC)
18th August 2012 - Portmouth Air Festival, Southsea Common
19th August 2012 - Rose of Tralee Airshow, Ireland
1st-2nd September 2012 - Shoreham Airshow 2012 (TBC)
2nd September 2012 - Fly to the Past 2012, Oxford Airport
8th-9th September 2012 - Duxford Air Show, IWM Duxford (TBC)
7th October 2012 - Shuttleworth Autumn Airshow, Old Warden

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just found out why the hunter is not coming [or at least what the organisers would have us belive].apperantly the pilot does not have the proper paperwork / permit. now while i have not been told wether its him or the aircraft thats in question,and i suppose it could be true,i DO NOT believe it for 1 minute.like snowserpeant said "i wonder what excuse they will come up with for its no show".well there you have it folks.as i said before i firmly believe this aircraft was never coming to bray:mad::mad::mad:

airbusa320

I suppose it was to good to be true. I wonder if the owner of the hunter knows about this or is it just an excuse from the organisers?

snowserpeant

yes i heard this.i was talking to a guy who knows si pardy very well [and this guy is NOT involved with the bray airshow in any way,shape or form so he has no reason to lie about it] and he told me that pardy told him the hunter is not coming for the above reason although he would not say if it was the permit for the hunter or the pilot thats the problem,i cant see how it would be a problem as there is still plenty of time to get it sorted so the pilot probably does not know what excuse is being mooted as the reason for his no show [flying]

Plane Jane

The said Hunter is displaying at RIAT @ Fairford and i would very much doubt the paperwork is the issue here! If its good enough for RIAT its good enough for Bray as per CAA regs.

All seems quite odd though

snowserpeant

thats my piont exactly......excuse from bray as to why its not going to show up....or who knows,they might use the same "turbulance" reason aswell like they did for the gnat team:rolleyes:

westdub

Plane Jane wrote: »

The said Hunter is displaying at RIAT @ Fairford and i would very much doubt the paperwork is the issue here! If its good enough for RIAT its good enough for Bray as per CAA regs.

All seems quite odd though

The only Hunters at RIAT this year are on static display and not Flying...


http://www.airtattoo.com/airshow/aircraft/aircraft-confirmed

snowserpeant

im sure it will be flying into fairford anyway as opposed to being brought in on the back of a truck:)

b757

Plane Jane wrote: »

The said Hunter is displaying at RIAT @ Fairford and i would very much doubt the paperwork is the issue here! If its good enough for RIAT its good enough for Bray as per CAA regs.

All seems quite odd though

You don't need any license for static display, just fly there and park it up..

Whereas you do need a certain license to perform a display.

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Talking with organizers and i believe they were quoted €15,000 for 4 min jet display time. When you think about, there is no point wasting all the available cash on a few min jet display. They did say that the USAF display wouldn't be fast but very impressive. Any ideas on what it could be? Osprey?

b757

snowserpeant

i know that,i meant that the hunter is flying into riat so the hunter is not the problem.15.000 quid for the display.while i would expect it to cost that much every other show would be quoted roughly the same price [uk gbp / euro].surley they would have know that at the start when enquiring.if they dont have the money fair enough but why put it up on the website AND in newspapers only to know they could not afford that aircraft.they should have just come out and said they cant afford it and they had to cancel its apperance [in fact they should never have said its coming in the first place,a blatant lie to get persons to go to the show in my opinion:mad:]as for the usaf apperance i would say most likley a hercules like last year