Single Parents Protest!

westendgirlie

gcgirl wrote: »

There's a cut off for btsa along with every so called entitlement and low paid married couple can apply for it to you know

So all parental units are treated the same then? That's life gcgirl.

mikemac1

Childcare is expensive, could be several hundred a month

At the same time the staff are badly paid, little more then minimum wage.
Of course businesses have costs, insurance would be huge but someone is making money from all this, must be the owners

Why not have a network of state run creches?
Run at affordable prices based on what you can afford and also the staff get paid a bit more too

Is this some mad socialist dream? :pac:

graceanseo

The King of Moo wrote: »

Almost everyone's suffering folks.

Bitching and arguing about who's being screwed more isn't going to help anyone and I'm sure the government are happy to see people so this and distract themselves from the big payouts (bondholders, pensions and bonuses etc.) that are more worthy of getting angry about and that are haemmorhaging money that could be much better spent.

I agree that's why we're doing something about it, if others want to speak up for themselves they're perfectly entitled to form their own campaigns

juan.kerr

up for anything wrote: »

Person/child... what do you think? Unless a female is neither a person or a child? Are you really puzzled about this question or just looking to stir shit?

Well I've never heard the term applied to a girl. I have heard it applied to boys with regard to their parentage. Hence my confusion.

juan.kerr

graceanseo wrote: »

I agree that's why we're doing something about it, if others want to speak up for themselves they're perfectly entitled to form their own campaigns

Yes but the problem is no one ever starts a group to protest in favour of the white middle income males of the world.

samina

sophia25 wrote: »

juan.kerr wrote: »

Looks like you may need to. We all want to be ringfenced by the cuts (other than the Croke Park beneficiaries). The reality is we can't all be.

OK how about for starters, did you know that if you work as a single parnt and are let go, you now have to go on OPFA. Guess what on OPFA you can't do jobbridge!

We can do CE schemes for €20 a week but hav to fund childcare out of this €20???

We are forced longterm on SW and do not have same opportunities as others.

To do a fas course, we have to pay €25 for childcare, we only get an additional €29.80 per week for a child so if we do course left with €4.80 to feed and clothe child.

Shall I go on, or is it clear that the budget is forcing single parents out of training oe work experiences??

I live with a partner can I do a ce scheme - no

Can I do a FAS course yea but I don't get paid and also have to pay childcare

So basically the only way I can further my training is to pay for it

Can I claim SW again no

To do any of these I have to either leave my partner, arrange his death or move into a caravan. Why should your need for training be more important than mine?

graceanseo

token101 wrote: »

You know what's cheaper than childcare though? Jonnies. Just saying.

again laughing at your ignorance, I like many others planned my daughter, and in fact my ex hub and I waited some time to conceive. I don't have to explain my one parent family status to you though. I'm sure you wouldn't like someone to speak to your mother like that

sophia25

token101 wrote: »

You know what's cheaper than childcare though? Jonnies. Just saying.

Yep, pity it wasn't there for some parents:p

You are showing your ignorance, most recipients of OPFA come after a longterm relationship/ marriage breaks up. And the courts do little to enforce maintenance. They only can jail and reluctant to do it. There is a warrant out for my husband for 6k arrears. So far waiting 5 months for it to be executed. What do I feed my kids in the meantime?
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westendgirlie

graceanseo wrote: »

Back to School Allowance has been further cut and wouldn't cover a childs basic needs such as books and uniform. FIS does not take chilcare expenses into account and is most lightly going next year anyhow. It's funny the assumption here too that the vast majority of lone parents are at this level of education. The general public like to think they're well informed but in fact the media controls you.

How is the media controlling the single upbringing I have given my kids since they were 3 and 1 years old? I have worked all this time so I haven't "read" about it I am living it.

But hey, if my side of the single parent scenario doesn't suit your protest then you just carry on dismissing it.

The King of Moo

graceanseo wrote: »

I agree that's why we're doing something about it, if others want to speak up for themselves they're perfectly entitled to form their own campaigns

I applaud anyone who protests against what they deem to be unfair.

It's just frustrating when any issue like this comes up and some people on both moan about the other side, or when I read stuff complaining about people on the dole etc.
The politicians must love seeing the people most affected by the cuts tearing strips of each other.

gcgirl

mikemac1 wrote: »

Childcare is expensive, could be several hundred a month

At the same time the staff are badly paid, little more then minimum wage.
Of course businesses have costs, insurance would be huge but someone is making money from all this, must be the owners

Why not have a network of state run creches?
Run at affordable prices based on what you can afford and also the staff get paid a bit more too

Is this some mad socialist dream? :pac:

Early childcare allowance was a way of dealing with that but in fairness like every other European country who have affordable childcare Ireland continues to fail, in the boom when they had the money they should have introduced state run centres where depending on what tax band your in determines how much you pay for childcare

Newaglish

samina wrote: »

I live with a partner can I do a ce scheme - no

Can I do a FAS course yea but I don't get paid and also have to pay childcare

So basically the only way I can further my training is to pay for it

Can I claim SW again no

To do any of these I have to either leave my partner, arrange his death or move into a caravan. Why should your need for training be more important than mine?

Why can't your partner mind the kids?

woodoo

juan.kerr wrote: »

My intention was not to insult / shock and it isn't a troll post. Just looking for an answer.

Just thrown in there. You have a dictionary. Of course it was trolling. I might call you a b......... (modern use of course)

gcgirl

westendgirlie wrote: »

gcgirl wrote: »

There's a cut off for btsa along with every so called entitlement and low paid married couple can apply for it to you know

So all parental units are treated the same then? That's life gcgirl.

Your not even making any sense there

sophia25

samina wrote: »

I live with a partner can I do a ce scheme - no

Can I do a FAS course yea but I don't get paid and also have to pay childcare

So basically the only way I can further my training is to pay for it

Can I claim SW again no

To do any of these I have to either leave my partner, arrange his death or move into a caravan. Why should your need for training be more important than mine?

Are you available for work? Or have you and your partner chosen that one of you will work and one mind the kids. Well what would you do if you were the only one to have to both mind and provide for your kids? Split yourself in two or be forced to remain in poverty. All the CSo stats show children of single parents 4 times more likely to live in consistent poverty. So yes I believe any decent society should try to improve this.

graceanseo

westendgirlie wrote: »

Laugh out loud all you like. If I am ignorant for being a WORKING SINGLE MOTHER then so be it.

I already said I couldn't click the above links.

May I ask do you work? Or are you taking the defeatest " I can't work because bla bla bla" line?

Not that it matters in the slightest if I chose to stay home and do the extremely important role of raising my child. I worked last year at a LOSS of €50 pw!!! In order to keep in the industry and not lose touch with the fast changing aspect of it, and this year I am in full time College

juan.kerr

woodoo wrote: »

Just thrown in there. You have a dictionary. Of course it was trolling. I might call you a b......... (modern use of course)

You might but you'd be wrong. It was a legitimate question - the dictionary caused the confusion.

gcgirl

samina wrote: »

sophia25 wrote: »

juan.kerr wrote: »

Looks like you may need to. We all want to be ringfenced by the cuts (other than the Croke Park beneficiaries). The reality is we can't all be.

OK how about for starters, did you know that if you work as a single parnt and are let go, you now have to go on OPFA. Guess what on OPFA you can't do jobbridge!

We can do CE schemes for €20 a week but hav to fund childcare out of this €20???

We are forced longterm on SW and do not have same opportunities as others.

To do a fas course, we have to pay €25 for childcare, we only get an additional €29.80 per week for a child so if we do course left with €4.80 to feed and clothe child.

Shall I go on, or is it clear that the budget is forcing single parents out of training oe work experiences??

I live with a partner can I do a ce scheme - no

Can I do a FAS course yea but I don't get paid and also have to pay childcare

So basically the only way I can further my training is to pay for it

Can I claim SW again no

To do any of these I have to either leave my partner, arrange his death or move into a caravan. Why should your need for training be more important than mine?

Go to an adult education centre and stop whining
And there are quite a few do you can train also you can get on a fas course too

graceanseo

The King of Moo wrote: »

I applaud anyone who protests against what they deem to be unfair.

It's just frustrating when any issue like this comes up and some people on both moan about the other side, or when I read stuff complaining about people on the dole etc.
The politicians must love seeing the people most affected by the cuts tearing strips of each other.

You're absolutely right this kind of thing works in their favour totally. If the people stopped bickering and joined together, and remembered that the TDs are employed by us.

It's also worth remembering that every citizen over the age of 2 pays huge amounts of taxes, every citizen is a taxpayer

Fear Uladh

Comedic.

It's everyone's fault that these people pop out kids like they're going out of fashion. Everyone has to take a hit, these idiots are no different.

juan.kerr

graceanseo wrote: »

It's also worth remembering that every citizen over the age of 2 pays huge amounts of taxes, every citizen is a taxpayer

No sorry, it doesn't count if the money came from the state in the first place. (Unless you are actually employed by the state).

samina

Newaglish wrote: »

samina wrote: »

I live with a partner can I do a ce scheme - no

Can I do a FAS course yea but I don't get paid and also have to pay childcare

So basically the only way I can further my training is to pay for it

Can I claim SW again no

To do any of these I have to either leave my partner, arrange his death or move into a caravan. Why should your need for training be more important than mine?

Why can't your partner mind the kids?

My partner works part time but that's beside the point why should parents not be treated equally regardless of their relationship status?

stovelid

juan.kerr wrote: »

You might but you'd be wrong. It was a legitimate question - the dictionary caused the confusion.

A single parents thread being - of course - the perfect place for an impromptu dissection of the inherent etymological contradictions in the phrase bastard.

juan.kerr

stovelid wrote: »

A single parents thread being - of course - the perfect place for an impromptu dissection of the inherent etymological contradictions in the phrase bastard.

Exactly.

graceanseo

westendgirlie wrote: »

Laugh out loud all you like. If I am ignorant for being a WORKING SINGLE MOTHER then so be it.

I already said I couldn't click the above links.

May I ask do you work? Or are you taking the defeatest " I can't work because bla bla bla" line?

ps. did you want a blue peter badge for working? Any lone parent who wishes to work should be supported in doing so and not face obstacles that force them to stay on benefits forever, it's a trap. Your attitude to the fact that you work suggests that you don't value the essential role of parenting though, rather strange considering you are a parent.

Foster parents of children being fostered receive large allowances on top of the families income to provide for these children, so in that case the state acknowledges the importance of the role, but not if parent is alone.

samina

sophia25 wrote: »

samina wrote: »

I live with a partner can I do a ce scheme - no

Can I do a FAS course yea but I don't get paid and also have to pay childcare

So basically the only way I can further my training is to pay for it

Can I claim SW again no

To do any of these I have to either leave my partner, arrange his death or move into a caravan. Why should your need for training be more important than mine?

Are you available for work? Or have you and your partner chosen that one of you will work and one mind the kids. Well what would you do if you were the only one to have to both mind and provide for your kids? Split yourself in two or be forced to remain in poverty. All the CSo stats show children of single parents 4 times more likely to live in consistent poverty. So yes I believe any decent society should try to improve this.

Yes I am available to work I have been at home looking after the kids for a long time I need to retrain. I can't afford to so we are stuck in the poverty trap too. But because we're in a relationship we don't have the big guns holding protests for us. My children need everything a lone parents child does so why should I be treated differently. The only difference between a line parent family and an unemployed or low wage two parent family is an extra adult to clothe and feed on a pitance

graceanseo

samina wrote: »

I live with a partner can I do a ce scheme - no

Can I do a FAS course yea but I don't get paid and also have to pay childcare

So basically the only way I can further my training is to pay for it

Can I claim SW again no

To do any of these I have to either leave my partner, arrange his death or move into a caravan. Why should your need for training be more important than mine?

read over what you said, and find the blatantly obvious difference in your family. If your still not sure - repeat.

You already have an unequal advantage at accessing employment or education - simples.

token101

gcgirl wrote: »

Lol
I know a guy who was married had 5 kids who assaulted his wife while pregnant and have countless affairs do you think that marriage was a: good for her or b: good for the kids, fair play to the woman who had the balls to feck him out in the end but it took her 15 years

I think she shouldn't have married him at all but it's got absolutely nothing to do with me and is none of my business. What's protesting going to do to stop that kind of thing? If you want to highlight domestic violence and find funding for battered wives, off you go you've my full support.

You made a choice to have children. I made a choice not to. I don't intend to pay any more than necessary for your choices. House with minimal rent, access to health services, to education for you and children. What more do you want? The tax take in this country is smaller than ever. Get a job if you can find one, but stop constantly coming with your hand out to the rest of society for more and more. Enough is enough. Protest away, noones listening anyway.

samina

gcgirl wrote: »

samina wrote: »

sophia25 wrote: »

juan.kerr wrote: »

Looks like you may need to. We all want to be ringfenced by the cuts (other than the Croke Park beneficiaries). The reality is we can't all be.

OK how about for starters, did you know that if you work as a single parnt and are let go, you now have to go on OPFA. Guess what on OPFA you can't do jobbridge!

We can do CE schemes for €20 a week but hav to fund childcare out of this €20???

We are forced longterm on SW and do not have same opportunities as others.

To do a fas course, we have to pay €25 for childcare, we only get an additional €29.80 per week for a child so if we do course left with €4.80 to feed and clothe child.

Shall I go on, or is it clear that the budget is forcing single parents out of training oe work experiences??

I live with a partner can I do a ce scheme - no

Can I do a FAS course yea but I don't get paid and also have to pay childcare

So basically the only way I can further my training is to pay for it

Can I claim SW again no

To do any of these I have to either leave my partner, arrange his death or move into a caravan. Why should your need for training be more important than mine?

Go to an adult education centre and stop whining
And there are quite a few do you can train also you can get on a fas course too

I'm not whining I'm pointing out the fact that parents with no money are not all lone parents. There are a lot of people in the same boat who don't use their relationship status as an excuse to get more

graceanseo

samina wrote: »

Yes I am available to work I have been at home looking after the kids for a long time I need to retrain. I can't afford to so we are stuck in the poverty trap too. But because we're in a relationship we don't have the big guns holding protests for us. My children need everything a lone parents child does so why should I be treated differently. The only difference between a line parent family and an unemployed or low wage two parent family is an extra adult to clothe and feed on a pitance

Your difficult situation has warped your sense of reality. 'The big guns' ??? lol our campaign has is totally independent the huge support we are getting is a measure of the hard work lone parents across the country have been putting in to it. If you're not happy with your situation only you can change it but don't suggest we are moaning about nothing just because you lack the drive to actually do something.

gcgirl

samina wrote: »

sophia25 wrote: »

samina wrote: »

I live with a partner can I do a ce scheme - no

Can I do a FAS course yea but I don't get paid and also have to pay childcare

So basically the only way I can further my training is to pay for it

Can I claim SW again no

To do any of these I have to either leave my partner, arrange his death or move into a caravan. Why should your need for training be more important than mine?

Are you available for work? Or have you and your partner chosen that one of you will work and one mind the kids. Well what would you do if you were the only one to have to both mind and provide for your kids? Split yourself in two or be forced to remain in poverty. All the CSo stats show children of single parents 4 times more likely to live in consistent poverty. So yes I believe any decent society should try to improve this.

Yes I am available to work I have been at home looking after the kids for a long time I need to retrain. I can't afford to so we are stuck in the poverty trap too. But because we're in a relationship we don't have the big guns holding protests for us. My children need everything a lone parents child does so why should I be treated differently. The only difference between a line parent family and an unemployed or low wage two parent family is an extra adult to clothe and feed on a pitance

But if your unemployed your entitlied to everything a lone parent is and your better off by having higher thresholds on said entitlements or low wage where your entitlled to FIS,

sophia25

samina wrote: »

Yes I am available to work I have been at home looking after the kids for a long time I need to retrain. I can't afford to so we are stuck in the poverty trap too. But because we're in a relationship we don't have the big guns holding protests for us. My children need everything a lone parents child does so why should I be treated differently. The only difference between a line parent family and an unemployed or low wage two parent family is an extra adult to clothe and feed on a pitance

The big guns!! This was done by ourselves. Poverty is not good for any sector and I certainly empathise with you. But you do have support of each other, even arranging childcare for a job interview can seem mission impossible if you are on your own. I hope things look up for you soon.

samina

graceanseo wrote: »

samina wrote: »

Yes I am available to work I have been at home looking after the kids for a long time I need to retrain. I can't afford to so we are stuck in the poverty trap too. But because we're in a relationship we don't have the big guns holding protests for us. My children need everything a lone parents child does so why should I be treated differently. The only difference between a line parent family and an unemployed or low wage two parent family is an extra adult to clothe and feed on a pitance

Your difficult situation has warped your sense of reality. 'The big guns' ??? lol our campaign has is totally independent the huge support we are getting is a measure of the hard work lone parents across the country have been putting in to it. If you're not happy with your situation only you can change it but don't suggest we are moaning about nothing just because you lack the drive to actually do something.

Yes that's true my unfortunate situation has. perhaps I should leave my partner join your campaign and get lots of financial benefits

Your spouting rubbish there are a hell of a lot of lone parents out there who work bloody alright but they do it so they don't need these benefits your spouting on about.

graceanseo

token101 wrote: »

I think she shouldn't have married him at all but it's got absolutely nothing to do with me and is none of my business. What's protesting going to do to stop that kind of thing? If you want to highlight domestic violence and find funding for battered wives, off you go you've my full support.

You made a choice to have children. I made a choice not to. I don't intend to pay any more than necessary for your choices. House with minimal rent, access to health services, to education for you and children. What more do you want? The tax take in this country is smaller than ever. Get a job if you can find one, but stop constantly coming with your hand out to the rest of society for more and more. Enough is enough. Protest away, noones listening anyway.

Everything your saying here is highlighting your ignorance of the situation. Nobody is looking for more 'handouts' we insist that the government treat us equally and at present with the recent budget cuts that have been put in place the huge difficulties in getting out of the poverty trap have been further increased, therefore defeating the purpose of 'getting us out to work'. I have yet to meet a lone parent of which I know many, who wants to acheive nothing in their life and live off handouts. There are huge social issues that need to be addressed and that is why we will continue to campaign until they are.

gcgirl

token101 wrote: »

gcgirl wrote: »

Lol
I know a guy who was married had 5 kids who assaulted his wife while pregnant and have countless affairs do you think that marriage was a: good for her or b: good for the kids, fair play to the woman who had the balls to feck him out in the end but it took her 15 years

I think she shouldn't have married him at all but it's got absolutely nothing to do with me and is none of my business. What's protesting going to do to stop that kind of thing? If you want to highlight domestic violence and find funding for battered wives, off you go you've my full support.

You made a choice to have children. I made a choice not to. I don't intend to pay any more than necessary for your choices. House with minimal rent, access to health services, to education for you and children. What more do you want? The tax take in this country is smaller than ever. Get a job if you can find one, but stop constantly coming with your hand out to the rest of society for more and more. Enough is enough. Protest away, noones listening anyway.

In fairness sounds like you don't have a clue of why they are protesting ??
The ce schemes are a vital way of helping people get on the ladder to becoming self suficant and the current cut means that people will have to depend solely on SW
Can you understand now or do you want me take you slowly through it ?

westendgirlie

graceanseo wrote: »

ps. did you want a blue peter badge for working? Any lone parent who wishes to work should be supported in doing so and not face obstacles that force them to stay on benefits forever, it's a trap. Your attitude to the fact that you work suggests that you don't value the essential role of parenting though, rather strange considering you are a parent.

Foster parents of children being fostered receive large allowances on top of the families income to provide for these children, so in that case the state acknowledges the importance of the role, but not if parent is alone.

I see, you want to personally attack me now for being a working single parent.

Not once have you asked how I managed to do it. What impact has a working environment had on my children, etc. By the way, my girls are just fine. Typical teenagers and all that. Strangely, they have seen education and then working as the norm. This attitude they have must be down to my bad parenting skills right?

I guess I must of morphed into some new breed.

graceanseo

Fear Uladh wrote: »

Comedic.

It's everyone's fault that these people pop out kids like they're going out of fashion. Everyone has to take a hit, these idiots are no different.

lol love when people highlight their own ignorance , shame your mother popped you out it seems....

graceanseo

samina wrote: »

I'm not whining I'm pointing out the fact that parents with no money are not all lone parents. There are a lot of people in the same boat who don't use their relationship status as an excuse to get more

utter ignorance, nobogy is looking for more, just to be equal to your level of poverty

graceanseo

samina wrote: »

Yes that's true my unfortunate situation has. perhaps I should leave my partner join your campaign and get lots of financial benefits

Your spouting rubbish there are a hell of a lot of lone parents out there who work bloody alright but they do it so they don't need these benefits your spouting on about.

lol you'd be in for a shock pml

sophia25

westendgirlie wrote: »

I see, you want to personally attack me now for being a working single parent.

Not once have you asked how I managed to do it. What impact has a working environment had on my children, etc. By the way, my girls are just fine. Typical teenagers and all that. Strangely, they have seen education and then working as the norm. This attitude they have must be down to my bad parenting skills right?

I guess I must of morphed into some new breed.

No but you are lucky because conditions have deteriorated making what you did 10 years ago a lot more difficult now unless you have a spportive family/or ex-partner. That is all we are looking for the opportunity to work and be role models for our children. Surely that has to be good for society.

token101

graceanseo wrote: »

Everything your saying here is highlighting your ignorance of the situation. Nobody is looking for more 'handouts' we insist that the government treat us equally and at present with the recent budget cuts that have been put in place the huge difficulties in getting out of the poverty trap have been further increased, therefore defeating the purpose of 'getting us out to work'. I have yet to meet a lone parent of which I know many, who wants to acheive nothing in their life and live off handouts. There are huge social issues that need to be addressed and that is why we will continue to campaign until they are.

You are looking for handouts then! You want the government to give you more money. Any money that comes from the government is a handout, whatever way you look at it. Where do you think the money comes from? Why don't you form a registered charity and fund yourselves through that? That way people can choose to help or politely decline. It's not society's problem to solve, it's yours.

up for anything

juan.kerr wrote: »

Yes but the problem is no one ever starts a group to protest in favour of the white middle income males of the world.

So why don't you as that's the angle you seem to be coming from? Of course, leave out the white, middle income males of the world who don't support their both male and female bastards! They can start their own protest! :rolleyes:

Fear Uladh wrote: »

Comedic.

It's everyone's fault that these people pop out kids like they're going out of fashion. Everyone has to take a hit, these idiots are no different.

Would you care to elaborate as to exactly who these people are?

gcgirl

samina wrote: »

graceanseo wrote: »

samina wrote: »

Yes I am available to work I have been at home looking after the kids for a long time I need to retrain. I can't afford to so we are stuck in the poverty trap too. But because we're in a relationship we don't have the big guns holding protests for us. My children need everything a lone parents child does so why should I be treated differently. The only difference between a line parent family and an unemployed or low wage two parent family is an extra adult to clothe and feed on a pitance

Your difficult situation has warped your sense of reality. 'The big guns' ??? lol our campaign has is totally independent the huge support we are getting is a measure of the hard work lone parents across the country have been putting in to it. If you're not happy with your situation only you can change it but don't suggest we are moaning about nothing just because you lack the drive to actually do something.

Yes that's true my unfortunate situation has. perhaps I should leave my partner join your campaign and get lots of financial benefits

Your spouting rubbish there are a hell of a lot of lone parents out there who work bloody alright but they do it so they don't need these benefits your spouting on about.

If you got married you'd be intitled to an awful lot more !

graceanseo

westendgirlie wrote: »

I see, you want to personally attack me now for being a working single parent.

Not once have you asked how I managed to do it. What impact has a working environment had on my children, etc. By the way, my girls are just fine. Typical teenagers and all that. Strangely, they have seen education and then working as the norm. This attitude they have must be down to my bad parenting skills right?

I guess I must of morphed into some new breed.

Don't know what you're on about, to be honest your attitude towards me if I was one of those who 'chose to stay at home' is just ignorant. Why would I ask you how you did it? I'm well aware what's involved. I find it bizzare that you genuinely think single parents get things handed to them to sit at home etc etc, it's total non sense. I challange to you to do it for a week!

further more: the majority of lone parents are working and NOT getting all these so called hand outs....I really think you've misunderstood where I'm coming from, and I'm sorry if you've felt personally attacked.

token101

gcgirl wrote: »

In fairness sounds like you don't have a clue of why they are protesting ??
The ce schemes are a vital way of helping people get on the ladder to becoming self suficant and the current cut means that people will have to depend solely on SW
Can you understand now or do you want me take you slowly through it ?

If you can take me slowly through why you deserve more money, which is what this requires, then absolutely. Maybe I need it explained to me in laymans terms why people who made choices now deserve society's money. I paid almost 800 quid more last year in tax. I'm tired of paying more to fund your life. It's not my responsibility.

Fear Uladh

graceanseo wrote: »

lol love when people highlight their own ignorance , shame your mother popped you out it seems....

That is a brilliant point and has made me think a little bit harder about the plight of these poor people.:rolleyes:

up for anything

token101 wrote: »

It's not society's problem to solve, it's yours.

This is a dictionary definition of society:

a. The totality of social relationships among humans.
b. A group of humans broadly distinguished from other groups by mutual interests, participation in characteristic relationships, shared institutions, and a common culture.
c. The institutions and culture of a distinct self-perpetuating group.

So yes, it is society's problem. If things like this were not society's problem then there would still be the equivalent of children climbing up chimneys to sweep them!

Kevin Duffy

graceanseo wrote: »

lol love when people highlight their own ignorance , shame your mother popped you out it seems....

gcgirl wrote: »

In fairness sounds like you don't have a clue of why they are protesting ??
The ce schemes are a vital way of helping people get on the ladder to becoming self suficant and the current cut means that people will have to depend solely on SW
Can you understand now or do you want me take you slowly through it ?

graceanseo wrote: »

Your difficult situation has warped your sense of reality. 'The big guns' ??? lol

graceanseo wrote: »

read over what you said, and find the blatantly obvious difference in your family. If your still not sure - repeat.

graceanseo wrote: »

ps. did you want a blue peter badge for working?
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gcgirl wrote: »

Go to an adult education centre and stop whining
And there are quite a few do you can train also you can get on a fas course too

sophia25 wrote: »

Yep, pity it wasn't there for some parents:p
You are showing your ignorance
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I have nothing but respect for most of the people who do the difficult job of raising children on their own, but the aggressive, sarcastic, patronising posting the two of you have gone on with, plus the failure to answer questions or back up some of your unfounded crticisms means I wouldn't support SPARK in anything they do now.
I suspect I'm not alone in that and this thread has done more to undermine its work than shine a positive light on it. You had a platform to speak to thousands of people and have a sensible debate, you wasted it from the shaky OP onwards.

cassi

graceanseo wrote: »

utter ignorance, nobogy is looking for more, just to be equal to your level of poverty

May I ask who exactly you want to be treated equally to? Im not sure if you said it and I missed it or you didn't but I'm curious!

gcgirl

graceanseo wrote: »

westendgirlie wrote: »

I see, you want to personally attack me now for being a working single parent.

Not once have you asked how I managed to do it. What impact has a working environment had on my children, etc. By the way, my girls are just fine. Typical teenagers and all that. Strangely, they have seen education and then working as the norm. This attitude they have must be down to my bad parenting skills right?

I guess I must of morphed into some new breed.

Don't know what you're on about, to be honest your attitude towards me if I was one of those who 'chose to stay at home' is just ignorant. Why would I ask you how you did it? I'm well aware what's involved. I find it bizzare that you genuinely think single parents get things handed to them to sit at home etc etc, it's total non sense. I challange to you to do it for a week!

Plus a million
It's the same ignorant stuff that has been handed down through generations
I have thought my kids to respect other people regardless of their back ground and treat every one equally
If people look down on people it's shows they have self esteem problems or if they have an inferiority complex
Why stop people who don't want to be a burden on SW
Moan burton is making people dependent on SW