Would you like to see Ireland leave the European Union?

oppenheimer1

Lads, I wouldn't bother responding to TroikaBox. In his other thread when he came up against arguments he couldn't explain away he just ignored them.

Don't waste your breath.

Sindri

TroikaBox wrote: »

The EU would never allow Protectionism without their own approval. The country was poorer. But it was also more fiscally stable. You don't need to be needlessly rich to have a stable banking situation. EU is similar to a pyramid scheme. Those at the top will always benefit the most.

Your talking shite, I've already reported you for trolling.

TroikaBox

Sindri wrote: »

Your talking shite, I've already reported you for trolling.

You're. I wish I was trolling. The poll speaks for itself.

Chucky the tree

TroikaBox wrote: »

You're. I wish I was trolling. The poll speaks for itself.

with the 55% support for staying in the EU it does.

KeithAFC

All patriots should say no the EU. I know I do.

TroikaBox

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Excellent, hopefully that will mean Irish peoples voting in Fianna Fail in the future won't be so damaging to us again.

The ECB originally lent the Irish Politicians this money. Therefore they are the source of this economic mess. You don't lend a child a scalpel. Likewise, you do not give clown Politicians Billions of euro without some heavy verification. Somebody was asleep at the wheel in Brussels.

Chucky the tree

TroikaBox wrote: »

The ECB originally lent the Irish Politicians this money. Therefore they are the source of this economic mess. You don't lend a child a scalpel. Likewise, you do not give clown Politicians Billions of euro without some heavy verification. Somebody was asleep at the wheel in Brussels.

I agree, we as a people can't seem to run our own country properly at all so the more outside help we get the better. So staying in the EU is obviously a good thing for us and It's good that you're coming around to seeing that, fair play.

44leto

Originally Posted by Da Shins Kelly
We should leave the Euro anyway. I wouldn't mind leaving the EU completely, but I definitely think we should be distancing ourselves instead of trying to get in even further. I really don't like where the EU seems to be going. It's becoming more and more controlling, which doesn't sit well with me at all.

This may happen, if the euro fails, but believe me you don't want it to happen, exactly what would be leaving the euro for. We have a tiny reserve of gold and the bond markets are closed to us.

So we would virtually have a Zimbabwe a worthless currency I go as far to say you would see starvation here, that is how bad it would be.

As for leaving the EU it really is not the time for it, but again if the currency fails it may break up anyway.

Predalien

I'm not in favour of leaving the EU as it stands but I do consider us to have reached a point where further integration is not needed. Unfortunately the major powers in the EU don't think this way.

44leto

KeithAFC wrote: »

All patriots should say no the EU. I know I do.

Patriot I always hated that word, but if I was a patriot and I am not, I could still be a patriot and be in the EU.

Sindri

TroikaBox wrote: »

You're. I wish I was trolling. The poll speaks for itself.

Your name is TroikaBox, 2 of the 3 threads you have posted have been about politics, the other seems to be about A level maths and would leave me to believe you are English or British.

One of your threads was a bout the UKIP leader for Taoiseach. An odd odd delirious idea.

The other is about us leaving the EU regardless of the fact it is the ECB that funds us. You ask do we have any other option. No we do not. Stop trolling.

TroikaBox

Close. I thought the number of people against would be an extremely small minority:)

Mike 1972

KeithAFC wrote: »

All patriots should say no the EU.

But one could be a patriotic European :pac:

ejmaztec

TroikaBox wrote: »

As far as I know, the Daily Mail aren't calling euroskeptics "weak". Slate the source of the information, not the medium. I treat the Daily mail as a medium only. If you can't be bothered to refer to the original source, well more luck to you.

The high-lighted bit doesn't actually mean anything.

As for the rest, why on earth would I want to read the Daily Mail's spin on anything EU-related (or anything else for that matter)?

LH Pathe

For sure. fück economics I just want our soul back. and the pùnt..

and sporting success

Gareth2011

LH Pathe wrote: »

For sure. fück economics I just want our soul back. and the pùnt..

and sporting success

I miss the punt. Remember when the 1 pound notes were in? If you had a roll of them you felt like you were loaded. Now if you have a roll of 20 euro notes its just like "yeah I have 500 here in 20's but it will get me f*ck all". Least thats how I feel about it anyway.

ejmaztec

When can we expect the next anti-EU thread to kick off?

TroikaBox

Children love "Captain Euro" propaganda:rolleyes:

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.9734/pub_detail.asp

ejmaztec

TroikaBox wrote: »

Children love "Captain Euro" propaganda:rolleyes:

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.9734/pub_detail.asp

Bizarre stuff altogether. Yes, the punt and our old notes were way cooler.

You must be scraping the barrel now.

TroikaBox

ejmaztec wrote: »

You must be scraping the barrel now.

If you want a serious political discussion, this isn't the place for it. I just want to see what the opinion of the public in relation to EU support really is.

Outkast_IRE

I would like to change our involvement to a trade and services basis only, they can stick their currency and their constant involvement in our business

Son Of A Vidic

Batsy wrote: »

It amazes me how the Irish were very good at fighting British rule but, when it comes to the EU, are happy to just sit on their arses and do nothing whilst the EU craps on you.

Not really, the Irish have always specialised in arse sitting. It was always a small minority throughout our history, that ever got off their arse to do anything.

melekalikimaka

the sooner the eu take full control of us the better, we have proven ourselves time and time again as a nation, incapable of self management and a spoilt brat attitude to the rest of the eu, maybe now we can getting to redeem our countries name

Crazy Horse 6

Yes very much.

ejmaztec

TroikaBox wrote: »

If you want a serious political discussion, this isn't the place for it. I just want to see what the opinion of the public in relation to EU support really is.

When you've polled every house in the country, please feel free to get back to us with your findings.

lugha

dlofnep wrote: »

Democracy in the EU will continue to be eroded. It's happening with small steps, so it's hard to judge it at any one point - but in 50 years from now, Ireland's role in the EU will be as a subservient state - where the majority of it's policies will be controlled or influenced from Brussels. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a liar, or naive.

It is quite possible that Ireland and the others won’t be states at all (as in sovereign), subservient or otherwise, if the EU proceeds as some would like to a USE.

But however far it goes, what exactly is objectionable about a “state” that makes up about 1% of the EU population having a proportional level of influence?

One of the most blatant deficiencies of democracy in the EU surely follows from the fact that the unit of membership in the state and not the citizen. Hence in some respects, little ‘ol Ireland has the same clout as big ‘ol Germany (right of veto for example)

Not that I’m complaining! Certainly Ireland should act in the best interests of her people and I think we would need some convincing to persuade us that any benefits would be worth the cost of allowing our influence to dwindle to a level proportional to what our population should command.

But if we do, it will amount to an erosion of our influence, not of democracy as you say.

Benny_Cake

lugha wrote: »

It is quite possible that Ireland and the others won’t be states at all (as in sovereign), subservient or otherwise, if the EU proceeds as some would like to a USE.

But however far it goes, what exactly is objectionable about a “state” that makes up about 1% of the EU population having a proportional level of influence?

One of the most blatant deficiencies of democracy in the EU surely follows from the fact that the unit of membership in the state and not the citizen. Hence in some respects, little ‘ol Ireland has the same clout as big ‘ol Germany (right of veto for example)

Not that I’m complaining! Certainly Ireland should act in the best interests of her people and I think we would need some convincing to persuade us that any benefits would be worth the cost of allowing our influence to dwindle to a level proportional to what our population should command.

But if we do, it will amount to an erosion of our influence, not of democracy as you say.

That's the nature of a federal system though, isn't it? In the US, Wyoming elects the same number of Senators as New York or California,arguably a citizen of Wyoming has more power. In any federal state there is always a balancing act between state / provincial rights and the demographics of the country.

ArmaniJeanss

dlofnep wrote: »

I say get out now, and work out trade agreements similar to Norway.

This is the equivalent of the fat, spotty, greasyhaired woman down the road contemplating leaving her marriage so that she can enjoy the single life like Pippa Middleton.

Tigger

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

This is the equivalent of the fat, spotty, greasyhaired woman down the road contemplating leaving her marriage so that she can enjoy the single life like Pippa Middleton.

i thank this 1,000 times

hmmm

In 5 years time this will have blown over and we'll be back to whinging about something else.

franciebellew

I think they should leave.

I don't live there anyone so I don't care to be honest

Agricola

hmmm wrote: »

In 5 years time this will have blown over and we'll be back to whinging about something else.

I hope your right, but if we keep going the way we are, you could probably multiply that figure by 5.

We need a write down of the debt. Its an insurrmountable obstacle. Stay in the EU, leave the eurozone.