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Leo Varadkar doesn't think referendums are very democratic

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  • #152
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    My name is URL wrote: »
    The reaction hardly exclusive to AH, it's been widely reported in all of the main media sources. Do you really think people would see a problem with what these gobschites were saying if no problems or concerns existed? Perhaps things are being taken out of context to some degree but that wouldn't be the case if people weren't genuinely peeved off at the government and worried about the future right now.

    So what? concentrate on the important things then! Who gives a f**k what the main media thinks, these are guys who made our Presidential Election look like a soap opera.

    It is crap that when public transport fares have risen dramatically and we will get more huff and puff from this, a time when Leo actually says something correct and honest.


  • #153
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    God, another bloody thing taken out of context, seriously, AH is full of these Helen Lovejoy threads!

    "He said something and I was offended!"

    :rolleyes::rolleyes: 'A discussion thread on a 'forum' where nobody has an opinion?.....run that one by me again there Leo'.


  • #154
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    :rolleyes::rolleyes: 'A discussion thread on a 'forum' where nobody has an opinion?.....run that one by me again there Leo'.

    Yeah that's the lazy easily offended simple thread.

    The more interesting thread would have been why is saying something that sounds so wrong but is actually true?

    Perfect example, people have been giving out for years and years about costs, expenses, gravy trains etc., one of the main targets? The tribunals. Cost tens and tens of millions and deliver very very little.

    So? Referendum.

    Lets scrap the tribunals and create parliamentary inquiries, ya know, like the ones they have in pretty much all countries, we even have some great examples, the very successful DIRT inquiry, costs hardly anything compared to Tribunals and actually means something.

    Did it pass? Nope, people got paranoid and thought politicians would be flying through the windows. The only actual group who organised opposition? THE LEGAL PROFESSION surprise fricking surprise. Idiots, seriously!

    How can you see these things and not think what Leo is saying is so true but people are going mad, why? Well cause it's true.


  • #155
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    Yeah that's the lazy easily offended simple thread.

    The more interesting thread would have been why is saying something that sounds so wrong but is actually true?

    Perfect example, people have been giving out for years and years about costs, expenses, gravy trains etc., one of the main targets? The tribunals. Cost tens and tens of millions and deliver very very little.

    So? Referendum.

    Lets scrap the tribunals and create parliamentary inquiries, ya know, like the ones they have in pretty much all countries, we even have some great examples, the very successful DIRT inquiry, costs hardly anything compared to Tribunals and actually means something.

    Did it pass? Nope, people got paranoid and thought politicians would be flying through the windows. The only actual group who organised opposition? THE LEGAL PROFESSION surprise fricking surprise. Idiots, seriously!

    How can you see these things and not think what Leo is saying is so true but people are going mad, why? Well cause it's true.

    Did you ever stop to ask yourself why Leo and his party haven't expressed this opinion before?
    Turning to the electorate is the only option we have to excercise democracy, how dare a politician or a political party undermine that from the comfort of power, especially in light of the promses they have reneged on. The electorate, of course, where 'clever and informed' when they swallowed that pile of tosh. The arrogance of power has set in very quickly with this bunch of ****wits. Varadkar is in the frontline for a good fall.


  • #156
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    God, another bloody thing taken out of context, seriously, AH is full of these Helen Lovejoy threads!

    "He said something and I was offended!"

    Sweet Jesus. People have an opinion,. Get over yourself. While you appear to be the resident FG/Lab cheerleader on here, the rest of us can actually SEE what's going on.


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  • #157
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Did you ever stop to ask yourself why Leo and his party haven't expressed this opinion before?
    Turning to the electorate is the only option we have to excercise democracy, how dare a politician or a political party undermine that from the comfort of power, especially in light of the promses they have reneged on. The electorate, of course, where 'clever and informed' when they swallowed that pile of tosh. The arrogance of power has set in very quickly with this bunch of ****wits. Varadkar is in the frontline for a good fall.

    Pfffttt, sorry but if ya don't understand how coalitions work, that's your problem.

    The people did not want either party to fully implement their policies, they wanted a mixture.

    Now who is not respecting democracy?


  • #158
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Sweet Jesus. People have an opinion,. Get over yourself. While you appear to be the resident FG/Lab cheerleader on here, the rest of us can actually SEE what's going on.

    If this is the standard of what people see, I am worried.

    Rail/Bus fares go up a huge percentage...not much anger
    Leo says something that is not pandering has a good bit of truth...rabble rabble rabble

    ****, I ain't no cheerleader, if you want sycophantic politics, go back to FF


  • #159
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    If this is the standard of what people see, I am worried.

    Rail/Bus fares go up a huge percentage...not much anger
    Leo says something that is not pandering has a good bit of truth...rabble rabble rabble

    ****, I ain't no cheerleader, if you want sycophantic politics, go back to FF

    Or their mirror image, FG, who you cheerlead loudly on here. Across several threads.


  • #160
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Or their mirror image, FG, who you cheerlead loudly on here. Across several threads.

    Yes me giving out about their transport cost increases is very cheerleadery or their reneging on top pays for advisors, yes that is certainly me supporting them constantly.

    You will see in all the threads you point out, it is all stupid things people were giving out about. I don't care about the tabloid headline, I care about the real issues, not the cosmetic crap you seem to like.

    You give out about Leo not respecting democracy yet in the same breath, you rant about the democratic will of the people in voting in a coalition which any person not stupid would realise, means that not all promises/plans or whatever could be implemented.


  • #161
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

    ****, I ain't no cheerleader, if you want sycophantic politics, go back to FF

    *blinks*


    http://www.boards.ie/search/?u=350852&sort=newest
    Leo Varadkar doesn't think referendums are very democratic

    If this is the standard of what people see, I am worried. Rail/Bus fares go up a huge percentage...not much anger Leo says something that is not pandering has a good bit of truth...rabble rabble ...


    Leo Varadkar doesn't think referendums are very democratic

    Pfffttt, sorry but if ya don't understand how coalitions work, that's your problem. The people did not want either party to fully implement their policies, they wanted a mixture. Now who is not ...


    Leo Varadkar doesn't think referendums are very democratic

    Yeah that's the lazy easily offended simple thread. The more interesting thread would have been why is saying something that sounds so wrong but is actually true? Perfect example, people have be ...


    Leo Varadkar doesn't think referendums are very democratic

    So what? concentrate on the important things then! Who gives a f**k what the main media thinks, these are guys who made our Presidential Election look like a soap opera. It is crap that when publi ...


    Leo Varadkar doesn't think referendums are very democratic

    God, another bloody thing taken out of context, seriously, AH is full of these Helen Lovejoy threads! "He said something and I was offended!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http://www.youtube.c ...


    Did Enda Kenny blame the Irish people for the crisis?

    Ah lads, scraping the barrel here. If you are a child, then yes, you can take this attitude of "he told me it was not my fault" but seriously, you are speaking to adults here. You want something to gi ...


    Did Enda Kenny blame the Irish people for the crisis?

    :rolleyes: He did not say the entire Irish public, too many Helen Lovejoys on this thread. I have spoken to a good few people who work in mortgage collections for a bank, unfortunately, the majori ...


    Did Enda Kenny blame the Irish people for the crisis?

    No worries, all good. Of course I would have no problem with a thread like that. We often speak in generalities even if we all know there are exceptions to every case. There is something real abou ...


    Did Enda Kenny blame the Irish people for the crisis?

    You did? News to me. These are your posts to me in this thread: "No idea why you refer to a Daily Mail reference, since I don't read tabloids. The difference between your example and Kenny is that Ke ...


    Did Enda Kenny blame the Irish people for the crisis?

    Nice work.



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  • #162
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    Pfffttt, sorry but if ya don't understand how coalitions work, that's your problem.

    The people did not want either party to fully implement their policies, they wanted a mixture.

    Now who is not respecting democracy?

    The great scapegoat....coalition is it?
    I don't think that is gonna save the people who said 'Not one penny more to bondholders.....or......It's Labour's way, not Frankfurts way'.
    The reality is Leo The Lying really does see the electorate as stupid, he will find out who the stupid one is very soon.


  • #163
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    The great scapegoat....coalition is it?
    I don't think that is gonna save the people who said 'Not one penny more to bondholders.....or......It's Labour's way, not Frankfurts way'.
    The reality is Leo The Lying really does see the electorate as stupid, he will find out who the stupid one is very soon.

    So what? Concentrate on that then, that is real, that has substance. leave the trashy tabloid nonsense out, it just brings standards down.


  • #164
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    mikom wrote: »
    *blinks*


    http://www.boards.ie/search/?u=350852&sort=newest

    Wow, how creepy of you:confused:

    Do you mind removing that? Yes I like talking politics, but posting a load of posts I made in different threads ain't very cool, it is downright creepy!


  • #165
    Peetrik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭Peetrik


    People wouldn't want to "get one over on the government" if they had kept the promises they made during their election or refrained from abusing their position for their own personal advantage.

    As it stands, I very seriously doubt they would let issue of significance come to a referendum, it would solely be to serve as a distraction or to give us the illusion of having a say.


  • #166
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    Wow, how creepy of you:confused:


    Makes for creepy reading alright.....


  • #167
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    So what? Concentrate on that then, that is real, that has substance. leave the trashy tabloid nonsense out, it just brings standards down.

    Leo was firing the first cheap shots of a referendum campaign. You just been bought early.
    It is our jobs on here and on other forums to make sure his bull**** is seen for what it is; bull**** spin and fear mongering. The same spin Enda indulged in on the international stage. He was stupid and careless enough to hope that it wouldn't be picked up on. Expect these retards to keep foot in mouth going forward.


  • #168
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Leo was firing the first cheap shots of a referendum campaign. You just been bought early.
    It is our jobs on here and on other forums to make sure his bull**** is seen for what it is; bull**** spin and fear mongering. The same spin Enda indulged in on the international stage. He was stupid and careless enough to hope that it wouldn't be picked up on. Expect these retards to keep foot in mouth going forward.

    That is fine, but do with the stuff you mentioned before, that's decent stuff, not this other stuff. There are very few people in a week who will care that Enda did not say the word "some", everyone else moves on. It's tabloid. Your job should be highlighting real stuff not this nonsense.


  • #169
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    That is fine, but do with the stuff you mentioned before, that's decent stuff, not this other stuff. There are very few people in a week who will care that Enda did not say the word "some", everyone else moves on. It's tabloid. Your job should be highlighting real stuff not this nonsense.

    I'll tell you what...off you toddle and make some threads about what you see as 'important' and we'll discuss the unimportant stuff. :rolleyes:


  • #170
    Trampas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,853 ✭✭✭Trampas


    i presume fg getting in wasn't very democratic either.

    people voted in fg/lab cause of ff but i wonder if they are any different

    he can't have it both ways the idiot.


  • #171
    matt-dublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭matt-dublin


    this is all i saw, the i laughed... a lot....

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  • #172
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I'll tell you what...off you toddle and make some threads about what you see as 'important' and we'll discuss the unimportant stuff. :rolleyes:

    off you toddle, you don't even reply when I mention breaking salary caps and transport costs. Are your blinkers on?


  • #173
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    mikom wrote: »
    Makes for creepy reading alright.....

    anyway...

    *moves away from the creepy lurker*


  • #174
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    Yes me giving out about their transport cost increases is very cheerleadery or their reneging on top pays for advisors, yes that is certainly me supporting them constantly.

    You will see in all the threads you point out, it is all stupid things people were giving out about. I don't care about the tabloid headline, I care about the real issues, not the cosmetic crap you seem to like.

    You give out about Leo not respecting democracy yet in the same breath, you rant about the democratic will of the people in voting in a coalition which any person not stupid would realise, means that not all promises/plans or whatever could be implemented.

    The main things you have been 'giving out about' appear to be:

    * People crticising the Government.

    * People pointing out the glaringly obvious re the Bank bailout.

    * People equally pointing out the glaringly obvious re the 'bondholders'

    * People pointing out the National deficit, how long we can continue to borrow 400m a wee, PS/CS/SW costs re that same deficit.


  • #175
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    off you toddle, you don't even reply when I mention breaking salary caps and transport costs. Are your blinkers on?

    Have you seen the thread title? :rolleyes:


  • #176
    kumate_champ07
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    ascanbe wrote: »
    I don't think anyone is taking what he said out of context.
    It's quite clear what he's saying; that the 'ordinary' people can't comprehend these issues, can be easily 'mislead' and therefore it's more democratic to not let them vote on something at all than risk them getting it 'wrong'.
    This is the exact kind of logic dictators use to justify not having general elections; the 'ordinary' people don't understand what's happening, might be mislead, might vote in the 'wrong' people, ie the opposition, and this would be bad for the country.
    Therefore it's better not to give them a choice in the matter.
    For their own good.
    but the referendums are made to be incomprehensible for the 'ordinary' people


  • #177
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    The main things you have been 'giving out about' appear to be:

    * People crticising the Government.

    * People pointing out the glaringly obvious re the Bank bailout.

    * People equally pointing out the glaringly obvious re the 'bondholders'

    * People pointing out the National deficit, how long we can continue to borrow 400m a wee, PS/CS/SW costs re that same deficit.

    Well not really, if you read it correctly, I give out about:

    Lol wait, wasn't your suggestion to default and then us to have borrow money at a much much higher interest rate? I don't think you replied when we pointed that out. Not the best of plans

    As for your last point, well no, we simply pointed out that Government spending is not confined to the three groups you limited it to, I said it spent on more areas.

    I don't remember what ya said about the bailout? Remind me?

    I criticize stupid people :cool:


  • #178
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    Well not really, if you read it correctly, I give out about:

    Lol wait, wasn't your suggestion to default and then us to have borrow money at a much much higher interest rate? I don't think you replied when we pointed that out. Not the best of plans

    As for your last point, well no, we simply pointed out that Government spending is not confined to the three groups you limited it to, I said it spent on more areas.

    I don't remember what ya said about the bailout? Remind me?

    I criticize stupid people :cool:

    So do others.:cool: Except the stupid ones keep their economic heads in the sand - with their fingers in their ears. Hoping it will all go away.


  • #179
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    anyway...

    *moves away from the creepy lurker*
    mikom
    Posts: 8,464

    A lurker is someone that follows the forum but doesn't post.

    Anything else you need defining...... cheerleader perhaps?


  • #180
    The Waltzing Consumer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    mikom wrote: »
    A lurker is someone that follows the forum but doesn't post.

    Anything else you need defining...... cheerleader perhaps?

    Ah you got me...hilarious :rolleyes:


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  • #181
    sensibleken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    kumate_champ07 wrote: »
    but the referendums are made to be incomprehensible for the 'ordinary' people

    no they arent, its just the subject matter we have them on happens to be complicated. If people cant understand them then they should stay at home


  • #182
    Plazaman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭Plazaman


    How could ye not trust Leo? The undemocratictasity of it of it all. Leo knows his stuff about prudent budgeting and I'm sure he knows whats best for..... :pac: fúck it, done my best to type that without laughing.


  • #183
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    NinjaK wrote: »
    You liberal fascists really are crazy.

    What in the name of sweet suffering shyte is a liberal fascist ?

    Are they the ones who only wanted to send the Jews to Madagascar ?


  • #184
    Sister Assumpta
    Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭Sister Assumpta


    I'm sure it has already been said, but people need to revisit and reacquaint themselves with the meaning of the word democratic.

    There is nothing undemocratic about misleading campaign statements so long as both sides have an opportunity to present their campaigns' arguments as clearly and as extensively as they so wish.

    If both sides do present their cases clearly and extensively and freely, and the public nevertheless make a decision which you think was the wrong decision, then you may call the choice foolish (in your opinion), but not undemocratic.


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