Kicked out of the US over a twitter Joke.

RichieC

Freddie59 wrote: »

RichieC wrote: »

Patriot act.

They were fcuked out for being two thickeens really.

More likely the opposite.

sgb

Check out the picture on OP's link

She seems to be holding the handle of her suitcase with a certain amount of passion

KeithAFC

This is not a surprise with it comes to the Yanks and I suppose in a way they are right to be worried considering 9/11 and all that.

RichieC

Freddie bends over backwards to defend ridiculous actions by the US. my bet he is american pretending to be irish.

Freddie59

RichieC wrote: »

Freddie bends over backwards to defend ridiculous actions by the US. my bet he is american pretending to be irish.

Still wearing the 1960s Che G T-Shirt Richie?:D

Freddie59

Cianos wrote: »

It's one thing saying "I have a bomb lol" to the check in desk, it's another tweeting something so meaningless and unspecific.

How many times have you heard bands etc rattle on about "conquering America"...it's the same thing.

When censorship reaches this level of paranoia, lacking any application of common sense at the mercy of individual freedom it does well to reinforce the climate of fear often spoken about.

Conquering America does not equal 'Destroy America'. Taken out of context? Probably (look at what we say here - the place is destroyed, etc).

But you're going abroad. When in Rome, etc.

bluestripe93

They were also searched for shovels – after border agents voiced suspicions Bunting would act as a look-out while Van Bryan raided the Hollywood starlet’s tomb.

Cianos

Freddie59 wrote: »

Conquering America does not equal 'Destroy America'. Taken out of context? Probably (look at what we say here - the place is destroyed, etc).

But you're going abroad. When in Rome, etc.

They weren't in Rome America, they were going to Rome America.

So now everyone planning a trip away to the states has to censor everything they say publicly before hand no matter how mundane and trivial in case poor little America gets a bit of a fright. :rolleyes:

pdbhp

Jaysus America is some shít hole alright, I cannot believe they'd take action like that what a bunch of filthy Communists..

Temptamperu

Cianos wrote: »

They weren't in Rome America, they were going to Rome America.

So now everyone planning a trip away to the states has to censor everything they say publicly before hand no matter how mundane and trivial in case poor little America gets a bit of a fright. :rolleyes:

Now your getting it :P

RichieC

Freddie59 wrote: »

RichieC wrote: »

Freddie bends over backwards to defend ridiculous actions by the US. my bet he is american pretending to be irish.

Still wearing the 1960s Che G T-Shirt Richie?:D

LOL, touche, frederick. Touche.

saa

I would say that's terrible and OTT
but what you put on Twitter is being publicly published with your name to it, just because it's not in print doesn't mean it doesn't matter
and also I don't mind because he looks like a poncy twonk who was saying ****e, if he was standing up for what he believed in [that wasn't hate] fine.

DB21

Failing to see the problem. Stupid person makes stupid tweet which could be misconstrued. Stupid person gets told to f**k off back home as a result of his idiotic action.

TroikaBox

Idiots. You don't post **** like that under your own name and not expect the homeland security of one of the most paranoid countries in the world to hand your ass to you on a plate. I can't say I feel sorry for them.

AudreyHepburn

To be fair, while I have thought on occasion the Americans are over the top with their rules and regulations, I don't think any of us could really blame them after what happened on 9/11.

Imagine the same thing happening here in Ireland......would we ever completely trust anyone again?

Temptamperu

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

To be fair, while I have thought on occasion the Americans are over the top with their rules and regulations, I don't think any of us could really blame them after what happened on 9/11.

Imagine the same thing happening here in Ireland......would we ever completely trust anyone again?

We have had a few terrorist attacks in Ireland, Audrey.

RichieC

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

To be fair, while I have thought on occasion the Americans are over the top with their rules and regulations, I don't think any of us could really blame them after what happened on 9/11.

Imagine the same thing happening here in Ireland......would we ever completely trust anyone again?

About three years ago I got off a boat and strolled out onto the street and into a taxi in liverpool. England.

Freddie59

Temptamperu wrote: »

We have had a few terrorist attacks in Ireland, Audrey.

3,000 died over 30-40 years. And think how het up we get over it.

They lost that many in one day.

RichieC

Freddie59 wrote: »

Temptamperu wrote: »

We have had a few terrorist attacks in Ireland, Audrey.

3,000 died over 30-40 years. And think how het up we get over it.

They lost that many in one day.

You cannot expect to act as the US do on the world stage and not be hit with blowback. Even the pentagon acknowlege this. Will it change their ways? fk no. Terror attacks on the "homeland" are great agenda setters.

Freddie59

RichieC wrote: »

You cannot expect to act as the US do on the world stage and not be hit with blowback. Even the pentagon acknowlege this. Will it change their ways? fk no. Terror attacks on the "homeland" are great agenda setters.

Yeah, I suppose that justifies it Richie.:rolleyes:

RichieC

It's actually you doing the justifying here. Gods it's like debating a plank.

joseph brand

The pair were held by armed guards and quizzed for five hours before being handcuffed

I wouldn't mind putting Emily in handcuffs and eh, AHEM, well ye know, giving her a right good interrogation. I'd make her sweat!

Millicent

My name is URL wrote: »

What a miserable looking pair of eejits

Well, they're hardly gonna look happy about it, are they? :pac:

Wompa1

So the US homeland security has certain words flagged to show up. I would have expected that, I'd also imagine the Irish government is doing the very same. Don't really get what the big deal is..unfortunate couple of tweets

doomed

May I take this opportunity to say what a wonderful country the US is and to say a big Irish hello to everyone in law enforcement.

Run_to_da_hills

doomed wrote: »

May I take this opportunity to say what a wonderful country the US is and to say a big Irish hello to everyone in law enforcement.

That won't get anywhere, here's how you word it. "May I take this opportunity to say what great crack the US is and to say a big Irish hello to everyone in law enforcement" .

Doc Ruby

Brill: They get into your bank statements, computer files, email, listen to your phone calls... Every wire, every airwave. The more technology used, the easier it is for them to keep tabs on you.

It's a brave new world out there.

At least it'd better be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qznsf0i1wQ

Overheal

Doc Ruby wrote: »

They do a lot more than that, businesses were advised by the EU to transmit all communications in an encrypted form due to concerns about interception by the Echelon program. Just basically assume every single email, message, phone call, facebook or boards post, anything sent over an electronic medium is wide open to security analysts.

Including this thread. Hi Mr. Analyst?

Overheal

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

No, but it is a 1st amendment violation, surely?

Nope.. well for one, he wasn't even in the US when he said it, or a US citizen. For the other, nobody infringed on his right to say "I'm going to go destroy America", Homeland Security basically just exercised it's authority to say 'yeah no, you aren't welcome.'

In addition there are limits to free speech, such as incitement to violence, or prime examples such as yelling out "Fire!" in a crowded theater, or "Bomb!" on an airplane.

Mr. Analyst

Overheal wrote: »

Including this thread. Hi Mr. Analyst?

Hi.

Overheal

Mr. Analyst wrote: »

Hi.

Sup Doc?

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

Sup Doc?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY5OX7Lim5A

RichieC

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Brill: They get into your bank statements, computer files, email, listen to your phone calls... Every wire, every airwave. The more technology used, the easier it is for them to keep tabs on you.

It's a brave new world out there.

At least it'd better

Oh but dont worry, they need a court order to spy on you if youre a yank.. :rolleyes:

its us foreigners that dont have the right to privacy... Imagine a brown country was intercepting their private communications... Bunch of fking hypocrites

Overheal

RichieC wrote: »

Oh but dont worry, they need a court order to spy on you if youre a yank.. :rolleyes:

its us foreigners that dont have the right to privacy... Imagine a brown country was intercepting their private communications... Bunch of fking hypocrites

No they can monitor any of my public access internet content to their hearts content. The spying you speak of refers to things like wiretaps and putting GPS devices on my car. Essentially they can scour your post history here if they really wanted to, or bloody well have the time.

Run_to_da_hills

RichieC wrote: »

Oh but dont worry, they need a court order to spy on you if youre a yank.. :rolleyes:

its us foreigners that dont have the right to privacy... Imagine a brown country was intercepting their private communications... Bunch of fking hypocrites

One of the conditions for keeping up the visa waiver scheme to enter the US was that governments of countries participating including Ireland and most of the EU would be the surrendering of personal details of those wishing to travel to the US, This would include personal records registered to that person.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=57945193

We were Initially lead to believe that the above would help track down terrorists but instead only turns the US into a paranoid kip of a country that less and less ordinary people will want to visit.

So basically the US authorities would have demanded the details from the UK authorities on these two and ran a buzz word search through them.
This case is the above coming to the worst and I am sure we will hear plenty more of them down the line.

At least in the old days if there was an issue over a visa application it was a simple trip to the US Embassy in Ballsbridge to sort out the problem. Today these simple issues could be quite a costly in wasted flights and also possibly land you behind bars in a foreign country.



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RichieC

Im gonna guess my email to then president bush would probably stop my entry..

Father Damo

Sindri wrote: »

, Facebook tracks the sites you visit even if you're logged out. ?

Is that actually true? Sorry but it sounds like some rubbish you would read on the CT forum by the same retards who believe there were bombs planted in the WTC to bring down the towers, or who had already dediced that the Bin Laden hit had been stage managed within two mins of hearing rumour that it may have happened.

And that the planes were holograms.

And that George Bush directed the whole thing using a Gameboy while doing that school reading in Florida.

And that instead of a mouth Bin Laden had four arses. And a tremendous fear of stamps.

Even if it was true, wouldnt it hold up half the people entering? Im interested in the news. Ive read a sh1tload on Wikipedia on Al Quaeda figures, Gaddafi, Saddam etc etc. Anyone whos interest in the world extends beyond Jersey Shore and the Sunday Independent, and therefore isnt retarded, probably has as well.

LittleBook

Overheal wrote: »

No they can monitor any of my public access internet content to their hearts content. The spying you speak of refers to things like wiretaps and putting GPS devices on my car. Essentially they can scour your post history here if they really wanted to, or bloody well have the time.

Doc Ruby wrote: »

it's monitored by programs which are tuned to watch for certain key phrases or combinations of activities which have been deemed suspicious. If something gets noticed, then you get the guy in the suit looking at it.

Which means that the only people who will ever be "caught" using this process are numpties like these guys who put the words "destroy" and "America" in one sentence?

MagicSean

LittleBook wrote: »

Which means that the only people who will ever be "caught" using this process are numpties like these guys who put the words "destroy" and "America" in one sentence?

You just did it there. Dam it, now that I've quoted it I did it as well.

Seachmall

Father Damo wrote: »

Is that actually true? Sorry but it sounds like some rubbish you would read on the CT forum

They might do it for collecting stats and what not and it wouldn't be too difficult to implement either.

Seems entirely likely imo.

pickarooney

LighterGuy wrote: »

That is insane :eek:
So some guy made a joke on twitter, and then homeland security held him upon entry?

its pretty obvious how they knew. flagged words used such as 'Destroy america' brought it to their attention... Therefore every twitter is being monitered. Facebook has to be too.

His iPhone apparently autocorrected "Detroit, America".

Peanut

Overheal wrote: »

In addition there are limits to free speech, such as incitement to violence, or prime examples such as yelling out "Fire!" in a crowded theater, or "Bomb!" on an airplane.

It's a limited analogy because it doesn't take into account the intent of the alleged incitement.

In this case it's clear (to us at least) that there was no reasonable intent to cause public alarm by posting this on twitter, as it couldn't seriously be interpreted as a threat by most reasonable people. The fact that it was seen as such by US immigration is unfortunate.

Overheal

RichieC wrote: »

Im gonna guess my email to then president bush would probably stop my entry..

knowing you? probably.

Overheal

Peanut wrote: »

It's a limited analogy because it doesn't take into account the intent of the alleged incitement.

In this case it's clear (to us at least) that there was no reasonable intent to cause public alarm by posting this on twitter, as it couldn't seriously be interpreted as a threat by most reasonable people. The fact that it was seen as such by US immigration is unfortunate.

As I said, the tweet didn't even come close to being a First Amendment issue. I don't know what you're trying to argue.

Peanut

Overheal wrote: »

As I said, the tweet didn't even come close to being a First Amendment issue. I don't know what you're trying to argue.

Wasn't referencing the first amendment, rather the analogy of shouting "Fire!" for the purpose of causing public disorder.

manual_man

Any fool who makes such nonsense statements deserve to get kicked out. Twat-slap

Run_to_da_hills

manual_man wrote: »

Any fool who makes such nonsense statements deserve to get kicked out. Twat-slap

What about freedom of speech, it should be up to the US authorities to train their idiot intelligence officers on basic slang terminology and context dialogue. No hard-line international terrorist is going to communicate using a public forum not alone use obvious terrorist related keywords.

9/11 is doing exactly what it intended to do and that is to turn the US into a paranoid soviet style police state.

manual_man

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

manual_man wrote: »

Any fool who makes such nonsense statements deserve to get kicked out. Twat-slap

What about freedom of speech, it should be up to the US authorities to train their idiot intelligence officers on basic slang terminology and context dialogue. No hard-line international terrorist is going to communicate using a public forum not alone use obvious terrorist related keywords.

9/11 is doing exactly what it intended to do and that is to turn the US into a paranoid soviet style police state.

The idiots shouldnt have made such remarks. Full stop. If you're thick enough to post somethin like that on Twitter, you can't have any complaint for gettin booted out. I find it quite hilarious

manual_man

manual_man wrote: »

The idiots shouldnt have made such remarks. Full stop. If you're thick enough to post somethin like that on Twitter, you can't have any complaint for gettin booted out. I find it quite hilarious

Stupid! yes, freedom of speech = RIP!

manual_man

dolanbaker wrote: »

manual_man wrote: »

The idiots shouldnt have made such remarks. Full stop. If you're thick enough to post somethin like that on Twitter, you can't have any complaint for gettin booted out. I find it quite hilarious

Stupid! yes, freedom of speech = RIP!

There's no one saying there's no freedom of speech... no one was stopping the people saying what they said... but there's also freedom for a country to let who they want in to their country or not. So freedom all round, yay