Emirates to use Boeing 777-300ER DXB-DUB

westdub

stopthepanic wrote: »

you're right, nearly, a 747-400ER would cost $196848 to fuel from empty. No way would I hand over $200K and say keep the change!!

Dont forget the exchange rate difference between the $ and the €, so the cost of filling a 747 is €152354 at today's rates...
A lot less than €200k....

brandon_flowers

stopthepanic wrote: »

now do the math!!!


http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/economics/fuel_monitor/Pages/index.aspx

according to Boeing a 777-300 ER hold 47890 u.s. gallons

This equates to $147,980 ish!

obviously that is from empty.




you're right, nearly, a 747-400ER would cost $196848 to fuel from empty. No way would I hand over $200K and say keep the change!!

That is absolute max fuel though. I am guessing it would be a rare enough event that they would put maximum amount of fuel in these days given the price of the stuff and the weight:burn rate ratio increasing.

Stinicker

brandon_flowers wrote: »

That is absolute max fuel though. I am guessing it would be a rare enough event that they would put maximum amount of fuel in these days given the price of the stuff and the weight:burn rate ratio increasing.

Emirates fly the same 777-300ER from Dubai to Los Angeles which is 13,420kms and a 16.5hr flight. The Dublin-Dubai flight by comparison is only 8hrs so it probably needs less than half a full fuel load. Do any airlines fly longhaul with a full fuel tank for the return journey anymore? Or is the cost of hauling all the fuel too expensive now? I remember Aer Lingus did a charity run to Haiti a while back with enough fuel on board to get them out of there also.

Nissan doctor

Stinicker wrote: »

Emirates fly the same 777-300ER from Dubai to Los Angeles which is 13,420kms and a 16.5hr flight. The Dublin-Dubai flight by comparison is only 8hrs so it probably needs less than half a full fuel load. Do any airlines fly longhaul with a full fuel tank for the return journey anymore? Or is the cost of hauling all the fuel too expensive now? I remember Aer Lingus did a charity run to Haiti a while back with enough fuel on board to get them out of there also.

I'd imagine that would have been more to do with availability of fuel in Haiti rather then anything else.

Luke-m

The latest edition to the Emirates fleet is due into Dublin today. A6-EGP. A week and a half old.

eatmyshorts

Stinicker wrote: »

I remember Aer Lingus did a charity run to Haiti a while back with enough fuel on board to get them out of there also.

There was only enough on board so it could do Dublin-Haiti-Orlando. There was no fuel available in Haiti.

lord lucan

A6-EGO,the 1000th 777 was in again today. That's at least 3 times i've seen her in DUB now. Great to see.:)

eatmyshorts

A heads up for those interested. EK's newest 77W, A6-EGQ is on the Dublin flight today. Only a couple of weeks old and the first to feature the brand new ICE system onboard.

Zonda999

http://data.flight24.com/airplanes/a6-egq

Turns out its only delivered 2 days! Its flight to Dublin this morning was its first revenue flight



Here it is at Everett only 3 days ago

NewSigGuy

Last week A6-EGP, the latest Boeing 777-300ER, was delivered from Boeing. This is the first aircraft to be delivered with the new standard of IFE fitted. I thought that you might like to see the new IFE screens. (pictures attached in the email).

FIRST CLASS – the widest screen in the industry, the new 27 inch HD 16:9 screen in First Class. This has a new touch-screen handset and IPSC (WiFi controller). The previous screen was 23 inches wide.

BUSINESS CLASS – the new 20 inch HD 16:9 screen with the touch screen controller. The previous screens were 17 inch wide.

ECONOMY CLASS – a new 12.1 inch HD 16:9 screen and a new touch screen handset. The seat backs have had to be widened to allow the fitment of the bigger screen. The previous economy screens were 10.6 inches wide.

Dacian

I wonder those this show the level of bookings EK are getting out of DUB,

that they would place their shiniest product on such a new route. Usually airlines ensure new equipment gets placed on premium routes.

John_Mc

Just booked flights to Bangkok via Dubai at the end of July with Emirates. It's saying the 773 to Dubai and then the A380 into Bangkok. Fingers crossed they keep that shiny new plane on the route!

Stinicker

John_Mc wrote: »

Just booked flights to Bangkok via Dubai at the end of July with Emirates. It's saying the 773 to Dubai and then the A380 into Bangkok. Fingers crossed they keep that shiny new plane on the route!

How much was the flight? I paid €670 last November for the same route

John_Mc

Stinicker wrote: »

How much was the flight? I paid €670 last November for the same route

Not cheap - €930 each

Stinicker

John_Mc wrote: »

Not cheap - €930 each

Youch, the 777 is fairly cramped also, best of luck with it also, you'll love the A380 though, next time I fly east it will be on Etihad as Dubai airport at peaks times is like a jungle and the crampedness of the 777 makes the whole Emirates experience more of an endurance test.

bkehoe

Having just flown Emirates for the first time, routing DUB-DXB-DEL and back with stopovers in DXB on both legs I tend to agree that Y class in the 777 is an endurance test I will try to avoid in future. And that's with being lucky enough to have the seat beside me free on both legs and being sat down at the back where there are only 2 seats between the aisle and window!

I then had the chance to sample J class on DEL-DXB on the A330 due to a free upgrade upon checkin and wasn't impressed either. The A330 has old style recliner J seats that mean you have to climb over your neighbour to get to the aisle, are not lie flat beds and the dining options were more traditional - i.e. meal when you're told on a tray.

The class of service on Etihad in Y and J class (even in the old J cabin that's still used on some routes) in my experiences has far exceeded that of Emirates, even down to the fact that Etihad still offer you amenities like eyeshades, socks, etc, whereas in Emirates they weren't even offered in J! I also love the 'eat when you want' option with Etihad in J class and the fact that they can customise the meals to your individual requests. Don't think I need to mention the much more comfortable Y class seats again.

That said, Emirates is competing very strongly on price and on some routes they have better frequency. In booking my Delhi trip, it was short notice, 2 days before departure. My first choice to Delhi was with Etihad but the price was about 1100 euros. Emirates was 600 euros. If the difference was 10 - 25% then I'd pay the extra for Etihad but 500 euros is the cost of a return to AUH/DXB so I'd rather save that for the next time lol.

John_Mc

I've been on a 777 before with United and can't remember it feeling cramped. I actually remember it feeling more spacious because of the higher cabin.

I'm nearly dreading this experience now!

BuffyBot

United only put 9 seats across their 777's vs Emirates 10 which explains some of that

Zonda999

I'm amazed at the amount of people who mention the cramped cabin of the Emirates B777, for what i would have thought to be a high class airline. I've never flown with Emirates, or in a B777 for that matter. So, lets just ask, how would space in economy in an Emirates 777 compare to, say an Aer Lingus A320, something most people have probably been in?

It creates a bit of a dilemma for anyone here, who loves aircraft, and enjoys flying, if they wanted to fly to Oz from Dublin. more comfortable first leg with Etihad but probably only a A436 onto Oz. Its comparing that to a B777 with Emirates on the first leg to a A380 on the second leg, and I'm guessing most here would try to fly on the A380 if possible!

LXFlyer

Yes I flew with Emirates on a 777 in Y from Christchurch to Sydney a few months back, and while it was ok for a 4 hour flight, I'd hate to be going any further than that!

Stinicker

Zonda999 wrote: »

I'm amazed at the amount of people who mention the cramped cabin of the Emirates B777, for what i would have thought to be a high class airline. I've never flown with Emirates, or in a B777 for that matter. So, lets just ask, how would space in economy in an Emirates 777 compare to, say an Aer Lingus A320, something most people have probably been in?

It creates a bit of a dilemma for anyone here, who loves aircraft, and enjoys flying, if they wanted to fly to Oz from Dublin. more comfortable first leg with Etihad but probably only a A436 onto Oz. Its comparing that to a B777 with Emirates on the first leg to a A380 on the second leg, and I'm guessing most here would try to fly on the A380 if possible!

Etihads A340-600 is nice aircraft to fly on and a far superior machine to the Boeing 777 and has been already mentioned Etihad's service inflight is better also, and Abu Dhabi airport is far more civilised than Dubai which is too congested and the security in Dubai are rude and it takes ages to clear security in Dubai compared to Abu Dhabi.

If you want to fly to Oz from Dublin I'd pick Etihad or if you want the A380 you could go Qantas or Singapore Airlines via Heathrow, I myself would only travel with Emirates again if there was a large enough saving and when flying to Asia again, I think I will go direct from Heathrow as both Malaysian and Thai airways will both be operating the A380 from this year also.

I'm only 5ft 9 and found Emirates 777 totally cramped and I also had the seat with the inflight computer infront of me which also limits legroom. Emirates seem to have the 777 configured with Asians in mind who are on average smaller compared to Caucasians* and on the same flight I saw some lad who was 6ft 5 and his knees were buried in the seat in front of him for the entire flight. Oh and Emirates are a high class airline only if you fly first class, their economy fares are some of the cheapest so they are kind of like the Ryanair of longhaul in that regard.

*Nothing racial, but most white westerners are taller and more obese than your average 5ft 1 asian girl for example.

Tenger

I always love how Singapore Airlines advertise their spacious and comfortable seats by showing a pic of the tiny little Asian girl sitting on it!

bkehoe

Zonda999 wrote: »

I'm amazed at the amount of people who mention the cramped cabin of the Emirates B777, for what i would have thought to be a high class airline. I've never flown with Emirates, or in a B777 for that matter. So, lets just ask, how would space in economy in an Emirates 777 compare to, say an Aer Lingus A320, something most people have probably been in?

It creates a bit of a dilemma for anyone here, who loves aircraft, and enjoys flying, if they wanted to fly to Oz from Dublin. more comfortable first leg with Etihad but probably only a A436 onto Oz. Its comparing that to a B777 with Emirates on the first leg to a A380 on the second leg, and I'm guessing most here would try to fly on the A380 if possible!

Hard to compare with an A320. The average time most people would be on an A320 is probably under 3 hours. Spending 8 hours in one place is a whole different ballgame.

I am relatively tall, about 6ft. In an Aer Lingus A320 the seat pitch is slightly limiting - if I slouch a bit in the seat my knees will be touching the seat in front (unless I'm in one of the front 8 rows or so which seem to have slightly more legroom for some reason). However the A320 seats are much wider and you don't get the feeling of hugging your neighbour. I'd prefer more width to more pitch. The pitch on the EK 777 was more than the EI A320 so no problems with legroom. However the comfort of the seat was less than Etihad or Aer Lingus (ignoring the width issue). Obviously the actual comfort of a seat varies depending on your build, height, etc, but I've still got pains in my legs over 2 days after getting off the 777!

I've been on Etihads A345 to Sydney in Y class a few years ago. Couldn't fault the experience. Best trip one could hope for in Y. While I can't comment on the EK A380 experience and I do admit the chance of having in-flight wifi is a bonus, I wouldn't be going out of my way to fly EK again unless I got a very good deal or at least flew in J out of DUB on the 777. I've never got pains in my legs on a flight before and the EK 777 has done it to me.

bkehoe

By the way I forgot to say that on the DUB-DXB leg, near the end of a flight a random guy was wandering around the aisles quite a bit and eventually approached me and asked if he could sit on the free seat beside me as he was squashed in between 2 people in another row! :eek:

omg a kitty

bkehoe wrote: »

Having just flown Emirates for the first time, routing DUB-DXB-DEL and back with stopovers in DXB on both legs I tend to agree that Y class in the 777 is an endurance test I will try to avoid in future. And that's with being lucky enough to have the seat beside me free on both legs and being sat down at the back where there are only 2 seats between the aisle and window!

I then had the chance to sample J class on DEL-DXB on the A330 due to a free upgrade upon checkin and wasn't impressed either. The A330 has old style recliner J seats that mean you have to climb over your neighbour to get to the aisle, are not lie flat beds and the dining options were more traditional - i.e. meal when you're told on a tray.

The class of service on Etihad in Y and J class (even in the old J cabin that's still used on some routes) in my experiences has far exceeded that of Emirates, even down to the fact that Etihad still offer you amenities like eyeshades, socks, etc, whereas in Emirates they weren't even offered in J! I also love the 'eat when you want' option with Etihad in J class and the fact that they can customise the meals to your individual requests. Don't think I need to mention the much more comfortable Y class seats again.

Oh dear
I'm supposed to be flying DUB-DXB-COK tomorrow, 777 on both ends of the journey. I hope it's not too cramped. At 6'2, I'm rather tall myself.

L1011

bkehoe wrote: »

(unless I'm in one of the front 8 rows or so which seem to have slightly more legroom for some reason)

I've never noticed that, but the two ex-Iberia planes in the EI fleet most certainly did have more legroom for the front few rows until reconfigured a while ago.

Stinicker

bkehoe wrote: »

By the way I forgot to say that on the DUB-DXB leg, near the end of a flight a random guy was wandering around the aisles quite a bit and eventually approached me and asked if he could sit on the free seat beside me as he was squashed in between 2 people in another row! :eek:

Can't say I blame the lad, those Emirates 777's are like Sardine cans.

bkehoe wrote: »

While I can't comment on the EK A380 experience and I do admit the chance of having in-flight wifi is a bonus, I wouldn't be going out of my way to fly EK again unless I got a very good deal or at least flew in J out of DUB on the 777. I've never got pains in my legs on a flight before and the EK 777 has done it to me.

I am of the same opinion of Emirates and will never fly their 777 in economy again or else I'd fly to Heathrow and take their A380 from there. The A380 is brilliant with great legroom and seat pitch also, as for the inflight wifi don't get too excited as you have to pay for it and there is a very small data allowance I think it was $15 for 25MB, and I didn't use it as being totally disconnected from the world for a few hours was good too.

This is what I wrote of Emirates after a flight on their Boeing 777.

bkehoe

omg a kitty wrote: »

Oh dear
I'm supposed to be flying DUB-DXB-COK tomorrow, 777 on both ends of the journey. I hope it's not too cramped. At 6'2, I'm rather tall myself.

Better hack your legs off now with a chainsaw, it'll be more comfortable! :P I think the reason my legs got ruined on my return leg was because I was trying to sleep some (unsuccessfully) as I had to get up at 4:30AM to catch the flight from Dubai and thus hadn't got much sleep. On DUB-DXB I was awake all the time reading my iPad and thus was sat upright.

But seriously, experience it for yourself and form your own opinion. Everybody has differing opinions about in-flight experiences and the seats. You may not have a problem with the seats - I'm sure everyone here will be interested to hear another trip report.

At the end of the day, as a lover of all things aviation, the 77W is a real beast. The noise from the GE90s at takeoff is something to be experienced. It's not as quiet in the cabin as in an A330 or A340 though in the cruise.

BTW, I'd really suggest trying to get a window seat (i.e. A or K) in rows 47 - 50 or 46 (slightly misaligned with the seats in front thus not quite as good as 47 back).

arbour

My mate was on the flight from DXB to DUB this week and said that flight was probably about 50 percent full. They said most people in economy had 3 seats to themselves which enabled them to have a sleep lying across the seats. Are loads this bad or was this just a poor day?
They also noted not many people in business aswell.

Tenger

arbour wrote: »

My mate was on the flight from DXB to DUB this week and said that flight was probably about 50 percent full. They said most people in economy had 3 seats to themselves which enabled them to have a sleep lying across the seats. Are loads this bad or was this just a poor day?
They also noted not many people in business aswell.

Seems odd as EK were talking sbout the very positive load factors they were getting on the route.

arbour

Tenger wrote: »

arbour wrote: »

My mate was on the flight from DXB to DUB this week and said that flight was probably about 50 percent full. They said most people in economy had 3 seats to themselves which enabled them to have a sleep lying across the seats. Are loads this bad or was this just a poor day?
They also noted not many people in business aswell.

Seems odd as EK were talking sbout the very positive load factors they were getting on the route.

I thought that myself. Maybe there was a few seats around them and exaggerated this into the plane was empty.

Jamie2k9

EK announced the B777 to start in July, A330 flights were almost full for May. EK announced the B777 would start in May only 4/5 weeks before it started. It around 50% larger than A330 and the majority of people would have booked well in advance, so low LF are not a suprise. LF in July will tell a lot more but not until then.

lord lucan

A very non-scientific way of judging it but yesterday the que for check-in for EK stretched to half way down the check-in hall in T2. It certainly looked like a very full flight to my eyes.

bkehoe

As I mentioned in my original report, there was only a handful of free seats in Y when I was on DUB-DXB and DXB-DUB earlier this month. The J seats looked like they had all been used as well.
Both my flights were mid week.

The fact they're half the price of Etihad for people like me who normally book a few days before a trip is one way they're filling the 777.

Best username ever

When exactly will the dreamliner be flying to DUB? 2014?

sharkman

The 777 was brought online earlier because of its greater cargo capacity , It is @ allmost 100% on each flight , passenger capacity was not a factor.

omg a kitty

I flew on a saturday and it was almost full. The last few rows at the back are only like 8 abreast meaning wide aisles..but it takes ages to get off the plane after landing

bkehoe

omg a kitty wrote: »

I flew on a saturday and it was almost full. The last few rows at the back are only like 8 abreast meaning wide aisles..but it takes ages to get off the plane after landing

Patience, patience, you can still sit and relax in your delightfully comfortable seat as opposed to standing for 30mins waiting for the bags to arrive at the baggage carrousel.

Jamie2k9

Could somebody give an update on passenger and cargo loads on the B777 of late. Intrested to see if its being filled and the chances of a increase in rotations for summer 2013. If possible the loads for EY to just to see if there is much of an affect on them.

ahgoway

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Could somebody give an update on passenger and cargo loads on the B777 of late. Intrested to see if its being filled and the chances of a increase in rotations for summer 2013. If possible the loads for EY to just to see if there is much of an affect on them.

Can't speak about pax loads as I work in cargo
But the cargo loads are extraordinary. Full loads on exports daily with a backlog. Trucking to the UK too as not enough capacity with the one flight a day. From what I can see they must be saturating the market. Be interested to hear what effect they've had on EY..

Jamie2k9

Any chance a weekly cargo flight could be added to cater for demand, then again there UK flights loads could take a hit.

ahgoway

Would be brilliant if they did but I would be very surprised. They don't operate a freighter service to the UK even.. closest one I know of is AMS.

eatmyshorts

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Could somebody give an update on passenger and cargo loads on the B777 of late. Intrested to see if its being filled and the chances of a increase in rotations for summer 2013. If possible the loads for EY to just to see if there is much of an affect on them.

The loads are very high. Economy load factor is running at above 95%. Business at around 90% and First at around 50%.
Yesterdays flight left with only 1 empty seat, in First.

An extra flight, most probably an evening departure, will be introduced as soon as an aircraft becomes available.

eatmyshorts

ahgoway wrote: »

Would be brilliant if they did but I would be very surprised. They don't operate a freighter service to the UK even.. closest one I know of is AMS.

There has been a 777F operating to LHR recently.

ozzy jr

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Could somebody give an update on passenger and cargo loads on the B777 of late. Intrested to see if its being filled and the chances of a increase in rotations for summer 2013. If possible the loads for EY to just to see if there is much of an affect on them.

I did the Dubai - Dublin flight last Friday and it was almost full. Only a handful of empty seats. Luckily for me the two seats next to me were empty.

On the way out a couple of weeks previous, the Dublin - Dubai flight was full.

The 10 seat configuration really is tight.

Peregrine

ozzy jr wrote: »

I did the Dubai - Dublin flight last Friday and it was almost full. Only a handful of empty seats. Luckily for me the two seats next to me were empty.

On the way out a couple of weeks previous, the Dublin - Dubai flight was full.

The 10 seat configuration really is tight.

Yeah the 10 abreast is just too much. I got the aisle seat in one of the last few rows once (45-50?) it;s 2-4-2 back there. Getting off the plane from there is a pain though :P