This is fracking unbelievable, restart the gravy train, Leitrim to the rescue

CruelCoin

pcworldisajoke wrote: »

Chavez aint doing too bad, despite the recent explosion. ( probably caused by outside agents sending him a message)

And while there may be corruption elsewhere- privatised oil companies are THE most corrupt institutions on the planet. They destroy everything in their wake and clean nothing up after themselves (ecuador legal fight recently for example involving Chevron). They're currently trying to buy an election in the US through A.L.E..C. and funding Romney through the Koch brothers (openly).

So please, let's not let anyone be under any illusions that corruption only comes from state managed companies!!!!!

I did mention levels of corruption.

State companies, especially oil and gas tend to go through a cycle.

1: private company makes obscene profit
2: state privatises under "dey tuk ur jebs!" mentality
3: state company missmanages, output falls, industry fails
4: private company is begged to take over the mess
5: repeat steps 1 through 4 ad infinitum.

Chavez may not be doing too badly now, but only after three or so of the above sequences. You can hardly give him an A on his report card for eventually getting it somewhat ok...

As for funding; how is oil company support for politicians any different from trade union support, farmer support, etc etc? They are all pitching for their own corner and the oil companies are entitled to pitch theirs along with everyone else.

pcworldisajoke

Cruiel Coin, i kind of get where youre coming from, but you can't align trade unions and farmers support for politicians in the same statosphere as Big Oil/Big energy. You just can't. First of all- trade unions and farmers don't put nearly as much money into campaigns. Second of all, Big oil/energy has a far worse impact when they are allowed do what they want- which they tend to be allowed do when their candidates get into office. The negative influence Big Oil exerts is on a whole different level of destruction and deception compared to anything farmers and trade unions would do (or want to do).

(here's a quick example of what Enbridge (a more damning spillage record you couldn't find in the pipeline industry) are trying in order to get a pipeline installed in disastrously risky areas - they made 1000 km2 of islands disappear!) This is the deception we're up against).

These are the same people who put the likes of Bush in power. In 2005 the Bush administration with Cheney as Vice president exempted Fracking for the first time from oversight of the Federal EPA, via legislation.
This legislation meant that states were now responsible on a local level for oversight. The amount of states that had huge deficits at that stage meant only one thing - it would be easier for Frackers to do what they wanted. State level environmental protection was so small it was virtually non-existant, and most of the states needed the money so Bush and Cheney knew exactly how easy it would be to start Fracking.

So here's the kicker- Halliburton were huge campaign financiers for Bush, and were leaders in Fracking 'technology' and had a commanding lead in infrastructure resources to get Fracking contracts. Of course, they had an in with many of the state governors, what with good old Dick Cheney at the helm. Cheney was a massive Shareholder in Halliburton, and had been their CEO before entering office, and is back working for them now since leaving office.

If Romney gets in, they said they'd roll back clean air standards, and open up the arctic for drilling- despite the EPA now stopping Shell at the last minute because their safety plans are woefully inept (even though their ships are in the Arctic).

The point here is that Big Oil/Energy companies are buying democracy worldwide, and it's to the detriment of all people except their executives and government bought-and-paid for pawns. I fear some of our 'leaders' are already part of that list. Either way, the oil lobby is quite far removed from the trade Unions. They symbolise everything wrong with our current headlong rush towards ruining everything of true worth.