Make veg cheaper by taxing unhealthy foods.

Westernman

Hank_Jones wrote: »

Thinking about this for a while now.
The price of fruit and vegetables are far too high, certainly considering the positives they have in terms of health.

Surely a tax could be placed upon unhealthy food, which could then be subsidise and lower the price of fruit and veg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqYCePrzJWA

Might be better if the didnt tax vegetables and fruit grown here in Ireland but continue to tax imported veg and processed foods. This might stimulate more growers and jobs in Ireland.

it's always funny when a bottle of coke at the airport is cheaper than a bottle of water

Logical Fallacy

bluewolf wrote: »

it's always funny when a bottle of coke at the airport is cheaper than a bottle of water

And you can't take either of them on the plane.

Logical Fallacy

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

And you can't take either of them on the plane.

you can when you're buying them after security

44leto

Why does everyone think vege is the healthy option, most vege has being so engineered over the centuries that they are merely sugar pots. If the common spud was to newly arrive on the market, there is so much nightshade in them they would be banned. Before whitey arrived, the Inuit, the aborigines and the North American Indians never touched them and any epidemiological studies of populations who only eat meat confirms they enjoy longevity and are relatively disease free.

A recent study has shown that vege does not protect us against cancer and IMO vegetarians and vegans usually look sickly.

I have never said I am so hungry I could eat a vegetable, they are really only prominent in our diet for about 10,000 years, we really are not suppose to eat them, we are primary fat and meat eating predators.

44leto

44leto wrote: »

A recent study has shown that vege does not protect us against cancer .

I don't know about you, but "does it prevent cancer" isn't usually at the top of my criteria for food choices

gcgirl

cocoshovel wrote: »

Comepletely agree. I went to buy a small snack the other day. Apple was 65c, animal bar was 25c. Pissed me off.

You could have got 6 pact of granny smyths for 69 cent in aldi

44leto

bluewolf wrote: »

I don't know about you, but "does it prevent cancer" isn't usually at the top of my criteria for food choices

It was advice dished out by the medical world eat so much vege a day for the antioxidants to protect us from certain cancers but it turns out that is not true.

pickarooney

44leto wrote: »

Why does everyone think vege is the healthy option, most vege has being so engineered over the centuries that they are merely sugar pots. If the common spud was to newly arrive on the market, there is so much nightshade in them they would be banned. Before whitey arrived, the Inuit, the aborigines and the North American Indians never touched them and any epidemiological studies of populations who only eat meat confirms they enjoy longevity and are relatively disease free.

Possibly because potatoes come from Peru and not Australia or the Arctic circle.

As for their life expectancy....

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/080123/dq080123d-eng.htm

http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/health/aboriginal-life-expectancy.html

44leto

pickarooney wrote: »

Possibly because potatoes come from Peru and not Australia or the Arctic circle.

As for their life expectancy....

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/080123/dq080123d-eng.htm

http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/health/aboriginal-life-expectancy.html

I was referring to all vegetables and the modern Inuit have a lot of social problems and a very high murder rate, but before we arrived on their scene they enjoyed relatively healthy lives as did the the North American Indians, apart from their wars.

pickarooney

44leto wrote: »

I was referring to all vegetables and the modern Inuit have a lot of social problems and a very high murder rate, but before we arrived on their scene they enjoyed relatively healthy lives as did the the North American Indians, apart from their wars.

How do you know what kind of lives they had? Honest question. there was no literary history among the Native Americans that I'm aware of.

44leto

pickarooney wrote: »

How do you know what kind of lives they had? Honest question. there was no literary history among the Native Americans that I'm aware of.

There was early studies before they got supermarkets and discovered the wonderful world of vege, convenient food and alcohol.

I will try find a link.

Agriculture cost us as a specie we lost an average of 3 inches in height and we began to suffer a host of new diseases, but we also gained from living in cities. A vegetarian diet is good for the planet, but not so much for us. But we can live with eating a lot less meat.

In truth humanity has to move away from eating so much meat. Beef is literally costing us the Earth and it is an extinction event, the Amazon is been turned into one big cattle farm.

Gummy Panda

44leto wrote: »

Why does everyone think vege is the healthy option, most vege has being so engineered over the centuries that they are merely sugar pots. If the common spud was to newly arrive on the market, there is so much nightshade in them they would be banned. Before whitey arrived, the Inuit, the aborigines and the North American Indians never touched them and any epidemiological studies of populations who only eat meat confirms they enjoy longevity and are relatively disease free.

Inuits do eat some veg though. Mainly seaweed. Also you can't compare their meat eating habits to western ones due to sources of their protein and parts they eat that we discard.

44leto

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Inuits do eat some veg though. Mainly seaweed. Also you can't compare their meat eating habits to western ones due to sources of their protein and parts they eat that we discard.

I didn't think the had access to sea weed in the Arctic, they just put a hole in Ice and wait for a seal to pop up. I don't know. I know whale meat was also part of their diet.

A bit off topic, the first plants man cultivated was actually barley, now why barley, its either used for animal feed or BEER. And beer seems to be the answer, their early vessels contain traces of alcohol.

Its a new theory doing the rounds one of the reason we settled from a nomadic life, was beer.

pickarooney

Reading up a but on it, it seems the South Americans were big into plant farming from way back:

Early inhabitants of the Americas developed agriculture, developing and breeding maize (corn) from ears 2–5 cm in length to the current size we are familiar with today. Potatoes, tomatoes, tomatillos (a husked green tomato), pumpkins, chili peppers, squash, beans, pineapple, sweet potatoes, the grains quinoa and amaranth, cocoa beans, vanilla, onion, peanuts, strawberries, raspberries, blueberries, blackberries, papaya, and avocados were among other plants grown by natives. Over two-thirds of all types of food crops grown worldwide are native to the Americas.

sensibleken

Veg is dirt cheap. Im vegitarian and probably wouldnt spend more than 20 quid a week on food

Capt'n Midnight

44leto wrote: »

It was advice dished out by the medical world eat so much vege a day for the antioxidants to protect us from certain cancers but it turns out that is not true.

You're going to need a link to the Daily Mail before I believe that one.






















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Gummy Panda

sensibleken wrote: »

Veg is dirt cheap. Im vegitarian and probably wouldnt spend more than 20 quid a week on food

you buy it fresh in ALDI?

44leto

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

You're going to need a link to the Daily Mail before I believe that one.

:pac:

The New York Times you could probably google the actual study.
It made the headlines worldwide a year ago I think.

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=vegetablles%20do%20not%20prevent%20cancer&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwell.blogs.nytimes.com%2F2010%2F04%2F08%2Feating-vegetables-doesnt-stop-cancer%2F&ei=CyMwT7y6FoyDhQeNzc3WCg&usg=AFQjCNHKjnVwnPo9grcBrx2OIlj4zoOtPg&sig2=mazqW6GxEl3ue8utlYWygg&cad=rja

JCabot

44leto wrote: »

The New York Times you could probably google the actual study.
It made the headlines worldwide a year ago I think.

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=vegetablles%20do%20not%20prevent%20cancer&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwell.blogs.nytimes.com%2F2010%2F04%2F08%2Feating-vegetables-doesnt-stop-cancer%2F&ei=CyMwT7y6FoyDhQeNzc3WCg&usg=AFQjCNHKjnVwnPo9grcBrx2OIlj4zoOtPg&sig2=mazqW6GxEl3ue8utlYWygg&cad=rja

And Tara Parker pope is the one to listen too she is an expert.