A different Magda.. Polish case compared to Madeleine McCann

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A 6 month old baby was reported to be kidnapped last week by her mother. Her mother was found unconcious on a footpath, after being hit on the head, with an empty pram beside her.

She claimed that a man had been attacked and that her attacker had taken baby Magda.

A nationwide search was carried out, with people across the country hoping that mały Magda would be found.

The babys mother admitted last night that she was actually responsible for the death of the child, and made up the story.

Tragic end to baby Magda saga

The baby's mother has admitted she died as the result of a tragic accident

Police are now searching for the remains of six-month-old baby Magda, after the child's mother admitted to leaving her body under a tree.

Magda's story had gripped the nation over the past week and a half, after it was originally reported that she had been kidnapped. Magda's mother was found hit on the head and unconscious, along with an empty stroller, on a sidewalk last Tuesday. At that time she claimed that she had been attacked, and that her assailant had taken the baby.

A nationwide search was initiated, with police calling for potential witnesses to come forth with information.

However, on Thursday evening, Magda's mother admitted to a private detective that the baby had slipped from her hands, and hit her head during the fall. When it became clear that Magda wasn't breathing, the mother panicked, and disposed of the body in the woods.

Police found the clothes Magda had been wearing at the site where the mother admitted to leaving her, but were unable to find the body Thursday evening. They renewed their search at 8 am Friday morning. As of 10 am Friday, little Magda's body had yet to be found.

Already, before the body has been found. The press in Poland are starting to compare it to the Madeleine McCann case. It matches a lot of the theories very well. It is an example of how a mother can panic and invent a kidnapping story, and I think it shows how very possible it is for a mother to hide something like that. Her husband didn't even know. The video footage of her appeals were very convincing too.

For some reason my google translate in the browser isn't working for me to link to articles. The english one quoted is here.

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Poor baby.

Fishooks12

But Kate McCann didn't kill Madeline, so why compare a murderer with an innocent (if a little irresponsible) mother ?

Kevin Duffy

Not sure I believe either version of her story. RIP Baby Magda.

Julie London

That poor baby.
I cant see similarities with the Mcanns because this woman broke under the strain and admitted a few days in what she did.
find it hard to believe the Mcanns have gone all these years searching for the truth and not bukled under the pressure or evidance been found.

Also a normal mother who dropped her baby would never dream of covering it up. You would be frantically gertting to the hospital. The mother in this case lacks an empathy chip, there is something very wrong with her.
Also i think the Mcanns behaved disgracefully leaving their kids alone, as did all the parents that night. But i dont believe they are murderers.

FatherLen

Fishooks12 wrote: »

But Kate McCann didn't kill Madeline, so why compare a murderer with an innocent (if a little irresponsible) mother ?

because not everyone believes her story.

this thread will probably start the whole did she didnt she argument.

Auvers

Brysen Breezy Neanderthal wrote: »

Poor baby.

if the mother did accidentally drop the baby, I really feel for her

can you imagine the guilt of that

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Fishooks12 wrote: »

But Kate McCann didn't kill Madeline, so why compare a murderer with an innocent (if a little irresponsible) mother ?

Magdas mum was very convincing up until yesterday too. I'm struggling to find translated links, but Polish news reporting that she only broke under pressure from a detective who bluffed that he had witnesses which he didn't have.

There is so much that points against the McCann mother/parents, but very little to suggest a kidnapper. Only thing with the McCann case is that the window for evidence is long gone.

davet82

shocking sad story. dont agree with the OP's title either, i dont see them being remotely the same as the mccann case

Dravokivich

Really is hard to read stories such as these. It happens too often where a parent is the reason of a kids death / dissaperance as a result of an accident but makes up a kidnapping story to go a long with it.

As much as a shame and tragedy it is for the kid, it really puts me at a loss in how I'm meant to think of the parent. It's clear there was no intention, but the actions after are very hard to justify.

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Dravokivich wrote: »

As much as a shame and tragedy it is for the kid, it really puts me at a loss in how I'm meant to think of the parent. It's clear there was no intention, but the actions after are very hard to justify.

Same as that.. Nearly feel sorry for her in some ways. It's obviously a very very very tough thing to deal with, and she took the wrong decision. Not sure if she has any more children. Maybe if she does, it might have something to do with that decision.

s_carnage

Fishooks12 wrote: »

But Kate McCann didn't kill Madeline, so why compare a murderer with an innocent (if a little irresponsible) mother ?

Who is the murderer in this story? Her version of events in the story above is that the baby slipped from her arms and hit her head. Hardly murder.

smash

Jesus that women needs help. The poor kid.

RichieC

I dont buy the maddie mc cann story. Neither would anyone else only theyre well to do.

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davet82 wrote: »

shocking sad story. dont agree with the OP's title either, i dont see them being remotely the same as the mccann case

Sure it's widely known that the evidence of a kidnapper in the McCann case is minimal, if any. It is also widely suggested that an accident may have happened and was covered up. Very similar to this scenario if you ask me. It is being reported that way there too.

Julie London

has the body of the baby been ffound? if not i find it hard to believe it innocently fell. more to this

davet82

elviscostello wrote: »

Sure it's widely known that the evidence of a kidnapper in the McCann case is minimal, if any. It is also widely suggested that an accident may have happened and was covered up. Very similar to this scenario if you ask me. It is being reported that way there too.

i suppose, i found myself changing my opinion constantly on what happened there but hiding your childs body... if they did, they are very cold sick strange people, it just dont seem like the natural reaction in a situation like that, god forbid somethin like that happening to me, a) i'd call ambulance/police or b) i'd think i could be in such a state i'd take my own life with the guilt. Its a strange case with no evidence to make any assumption i think

micropig

Julie London wrote: »

has the body of the baby been ffound? if not i find it hard to believe it innocently fell. more to this

As much as I feel sorry for the mother & the child,


If it really was an accident , why doesn't she just say now where the body is. Sure the child deserves that much respect.

She's already admitting to accidently killing the child, telling where the body is won't get her in any more trouble than she's in already

TheZohanS

Shocking to see, would have thought Gerry and Kate would have learned by now.

RIP

Little Acorn

micropig wrote: »

As much as I feel sorry for the mother & the child,


If it really was an accident , why doesn't she just say now where the body is. Sure the child deserves that much respect.

She's already admitting to accidently killing the child, telling where the body is won't get her in any more trouble than she's in already

It would, if the injuries don't match the version of events she gave.

Arnold Layne

Fishooks12 wrote: »

But Kate McCann didn't kill Madeline, so why compare a murderer with an innocent (if a little irresponsible) mother ?

Do you have evidence to substantiate your statement? If so, best tell the Portuguese police.

hondasam

Fishooks12 wrote: »

But Kate McCann didn't kill Madeline, so why compare a murderer with an innocent (if a little irresponsible) mother ?

There are quite a few people who might disagree with you. No one knows what happened to Maddie, except maybe her parents.

aleksandra89

There was no match in anything Magda's mother said from the very beginning. Firstly she was pretending she cares, people from the whole country were trying to help. She spoke to the press, pretended that somebody attacked her, she made most of the people believe in her story, which turned out to be a big lie. Then when Rutkowski talked with her on Thursday night she confessed that she accidently dropped a baby and then she left this little girl somewhere in the park by the river. What the hell, ok she could be in shock or something but accidents happen and if that would be an accident, I don't think she would try to hide it?....What kind of mother would do that? First thing everyone would do - call the ambulance, tell a friend, family. Another thing that makes me think about it even more is- baby's father...he was in the house when that happened, then he was dropping kasia (mother of baby) with Magda to one of the streets from which she was going to her parent's house with a baby. Didn't he see anything? When they were together in a car, with a baby... If she knew that baby is dead, how would she be able to talk with him normally..how would she manage to behave in a way in which her husband wouldn't notice that something's going on? On a day when there was press conference, she asked her husband to go to the cinema, to relax, to see a movie- horror movie. Sick b#t$cH. There are too many things that make me think, there are more people involved. I'm not sure about father, because he was tested with lie detector, however it was discovered that somebody on that day was researching on how to cheat lie detector test. They haven't found body yet and in the park where she described , they found baby's jacket, which didn't belong to Magda, what they found out after performing DNA tests. Too many questions to be answered but hopefully they'll be solved. I still hope that baby is still alive. it must have been planned.... Maybe she sold a baby?...or she killed it and not by accident...I don't know but from what she's saying- nothing makes sense and I know that she's still lying.

Corkboi

Sad to say but if they found some of the clothing by the tree then animals could have taken the child. Poor thing, definitely something wrong with the mother. More to this than what she says......

marcusss

Guys, Magda was found. The mother decided to reveal where she has hidden the baby's body. In the forest, in kind of a primitive grave, under the stones... They will be now investigating who else was involved in this disaster and whether it was an accident or not... some specialists where saying that it is unlikely that the baby would die by falling in such a way. Hate to think Magda could still be alive when the mother berried her under the stones... Some are saying the father was in a sect... :mad::mad::mad:

Kidchameleon

TheZohan wrote: »

Shocking to see, would have thought Gerry and Kate would have learned by now.

RIP

Learned what exactly???

xzanti

Auvers wrote: »

if the mother did accidentally drop the baby, I really feel for her

can you imagine the guilt of that

Accidents happen every day, but calling for help is usually the done thing.. maybe something could have been done for the infant..

What she did was sinister imho..

gizmorox

6 month old babies should generally survive a fall like that from a low height,their heads are a lot harder than people think,If I had been in that situation I would've immediately brought her to a hospital or sought help from a passer by,wouldn't every parent? disgusting to believe but she probably threw the baby to the ground,as for the Mc Cann case,well I'm a lone parent and would have never ever left my children alone anywhere at that age,you can be sure if a lone parent or somebody without the 'M.D' title had acted so irresponsibly the consequences would be completely different,their other children would be in care

Noreen1

Did anyone explain yet who hit the mother on the head, thus rendering her unconscious?

xzanti

^^ Probably faking it tbh.. anyone can pretend to faint can't they?

What actually constitutes being medically unconscious?

kjl

I could be wrong on this, but you can't convict a mother of a baby of murder if she kills the baby within the first year. Something about hormones.

davet82

kjl wrote: »

I could be wrong on this, but you can't convict a mother of a baby of murder if she kills the baby within the first year. Something about hormones.

I really really hope your wrong there...


although i could get my get my missus to hold up the local post office and blame the hormones, would that work too?

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kjl wrote: »

I could be wrong on this, but you can't convict a mother of a baby of murder if she kills the baby within the first year. Something about hormones.

As terrible as the whole thing is, I don't think there is a suggestion of murder is there?

From my understanding, she tried to cover up an accident. Still not right, but not murder either.

biko

kjl wrote: »

I could be wrong on this, but you can't convict a mother of a baby of murder if she kills the baby within the first year. Something about hormones.

This might be the most stupid rumour I've ever read.
Is that supposed to be in Ireland or UK or Poland where this case happened?

davet82

biko wrote: »

This might be the most stupid rumour I've ever read. QUOTE]

I dont know about that... i heard if ya say the hail mary backwards 10 times at 12 o'clock on halloween night while looking into a mirror ya see the devil

angelfire9

kjl wrote: »

I could be wrong on this, but you can't convict a mother of a baby of murder if she kills the baby within the first year. Something about hormones.

I have a feeling you are right as far as I know a mother cannot be convicted of infanticide (In Ireland) within the first 12 months of the child's life
Its to do with Post Natal depresssion

Will look for a link

inka990

hi,
at this moment i am in poland, so i can say sth about it. all poles live with this tragedy for almost two weeks.
everything started at the end of january when mother of little magda said that she was kidnapped and someone stole her baby. it was strange cause she said she noticed that someone followed her but when she turned back she couldn't see the face. there were no witness at all, even on cctv. she was kidnapped about 200 m from her mother's building. please notice that it it huge communistic estate with buildings with 10-12 floors. i think that there could live about thousand people, and there was no witness at all.
from the beginning mother and father started to find her-everywhere: with police's help, facebook and other social portals, tv, newspapers, radio. during a week there were printed and placed in public places thousands of posters. they hired also a private detective. nobody couldnt say what happened to magda, nobody saw her and also the man who might follow kasia-magda's mother.
the private detective they hired is very controversial in poland, cause most of the cases are very rush and almost all the time presented in media. everyday he organized the press conference with magda's parents when they described the issue and answered the questions of journalist. i noticed that when kasia told how it happened, she described all her way from her home to her mother's home-she read that from the paper.
sometimes when she was talking about her daughter she used past tense. it is very strange, cause psychology say that parents of missing children believe that they live, and use present tense.
at the end during meeting with detective who wanted know the truth, suggesting that she is the murderer, he suggested that she accidentally drop the baby and she agreed with that version. when he ask her to show the place where the baby is now she lied again. until the next day she told the truth to policemen where she buried the daughter.
detective said she went also on horror movie on sunday after press conference when she begged the kidnapper to release her daughter.
today is planned the autopsy of little magda, but what we know that there were no signs of dropped on the floor as mother claimed.
there is more questions that answers, for sure people are shocked. they believed her, helped her with the posters (in poland now is -25 - -30 oC) and she lied them all poor woman.

davet82

angelfire9 wrote: »

I have a feeling you are right as far as I know a mother cannot be convicted of infanticide (In Ireland) within the first 12 months of the child's life
Its to do with Post Natal depresssion

Will look for a link

if you find it, i'll have some humble pie with that link please

Jesus Wept

Fishooks12 wrote: »

But Kate McCann didn't kill Madeline, so why compare a murderer with an innocent (if a little irresponsible) mother ?

A little? Pull the other one.

tfitzgerald

A very sad story. I feel sorry for all concerned

beazee

davet82 wrote: »

if you find it, i'll have some humble pie with that link please

original
Google translated

Article 149:
A mother who kills a child during childbirth due to its course, be subject to imprisonment from 3 months to 5 years
[baby was 6 months]

Article 155:
Who unintentionally causes the death of a person shall be punished by imprisonment from 3 months to 5 years

As opposed to:
Article 148
§ 1 Who kills a man, be punished by imprisonment for not less than 8 years, the penalty of 25 years imprisonment or life imprisonment.

Daroxtar

hondasam wrote: »

No one knows what happened to Maddie, except maybe her parents.

Or the Paedophile who kidnapped her

hondasam

Daroxtar wrote: »

Or the Paedophile who kidnapped her

We don't know if there was a paedophile but we do know her parents were the last people to see her alive.

lugha

angelfire9 wrote: »

I have a feeling you are right as far as I know a mother cannot be convicted of infanticide (In Ireland) within the first 12 months of the child's life
Its to do with Post Natal depresssion

Will look for a link

Whatever about Ireland, it isn't (or wasn't) the case in the UK. Remember the infamous Sally Clark case?

pickarooney

hondasam wrote: »

We don't know if there was a paedophile but we do know her parents were the last people to see her alive.

That statement directly contradicts itself.