Bookies closing accounts

smndly

I've heard about bookies closing accounts if they are big winners. Does this mean that you can't withdraw any of the money in the account that you have won or does it just mean you can't place any more bets?

Also what kind of money would you need to be hitting to end up in this scenario?

okidoki987

They just stop you betting any more with them.
You would be free to withdraw your funds.

shocksy

If they close your account they will automatically send the funds back to the credit/debit card you have on file.

If they restrict your account it will be a case of not letting you place anymore than a few cents on anything, effectively making your account useless.

There is no set limits on why they would close an account, bookmakers would all have big winners here an there, as often seen on the aftertiming screenshot thread.

Traders may red flag your account if you only bet on certain things, where they think you are only a punter always seeking certain bets or value, or if they suspect you of placing arbs, also if you went on a serious winning streak taking them for alot of money they may close you down saying its a business decision, but they would only do that if you rarely lost, after all they are in business to take money, an give as little away as possible an if they think you are a threat to that they will close your account. They would also consider shutting you down if you were betting on strange games which they wouldn't consider popular, such as the fiasco recently with Kettering etc, also if they thought you were involved in unusual betting activity you would be gone aswell.

But saying that the average punter would rarely come across that problem, because most people will win and lose here an there.

Unless you are a serious gambler placing hundreds or thousands of euro at a time i doubt you have anything to worry about especially if your just betting on the average football games or horse racing etc

smndly

Thanks a lot for the replies! Good to know!

Howjoe1

i had an account closed after a week;)

going to sting another one soon.

shangri la

Take it as a compliment ie it happens. There are 30+ reputable bookies and exchanges.

Howjoe1

Howjoe1 wrote: »

i had an account closed after a week;)

going to sting another one soon.

Legend

smndly

Howjoe1 wrote: »

i had an account closed after a week;)

going to sting another one soon.

Haha How'd you manage that? Massive lucky streak?

Hulk Hands

smndly wrote: »

Haha How'd you manage that? Massive lucky streak?

He had a glass of warm milk and went to sleep

ft9

VC closed me after 2 bets, the email is posted on here somewhere that they sent me. Miserable fcuks

VC ban instantly if you stake large or bet on something which ends up being a higher price than SP.

ft9

Was not Intsantly with me, good few months between the 2 bets

finbarrk

Boylesports closed down a mate of mine. He took about €8k off them on a GAA ante post bet. He showed me the letter. And the cheque.

jive

Stan James
The decision has been made to remove the option of placing bets through our call centre on this account.

You are welcome to continue to enjoy Stan James's products online at www.StanJames.com or via our mobile telephone application (text stans to 89700.)

Please also note that your betting account will no longer qualify for ‘Best Odds Guaranteed’. This is in accordance with our Terms and Conditions.

These decisions have been made purely for commercial reasons and we regret any inconvenience caused.

The above is a mail (with certain info omitted, like account info) I had still in my inbox so said I'd throw it up. The account was limited too but that wasn't mentioned in the mail. Thought I might have had one from WillHill as well but not sure if they emailed me about it or not, some bookies don't even give you a heads up and you don't know until you go to throw on a bet!

Wild_Dogger

However , if you are a regular loser then they will expand your betting limit

I find it very hard to get a bet down.

The only bookie that will accept a sizable wager from me is Ladbrokes.

Bet365 , Paddypower, VCbet, Skybet, Boylesports, Betfred have restricted me to less than a €5 bet @evens.

I had got permission to open accounts with close friends/family over the years .....

Bet365 closed X3 accounts

Paddypower closed X1 account

VCbet closed X4 accounts

Skybet closed X1 account

Boylesports closed X4 accounts

Betfred closed X2 accounts

I have totally given up ............ (arbing)

whatsupdoc?

The only bookie that will accept a sizable wager from me is Ladbrokes.

That won't last.

Won €500 off them last week on Kerry v Dublin at 5/4.
Now can't get €20 on the GAA with them :mad:.
So much for a big bookie?
Just have to go to a shop now.

myflipflops

Wild_Dogger wrote: »

However , if you are a regular loser then they will expand your betting limit

I find it very hard to get a bet down.

The only bookie that will accept a sizable wager from me is Ladbrokes.

Bet365 , Paddypower, VCbet, Skybet, Boylesports, Betfred have restricted me to less than a €5 bet @evens.

I had got permission to open accounts with close friends/family over the years .....

Bet365 closed X3 accounts

Paddypower closed X1 account

VCbet closed X4 accounts

Skybet closed X1 account

Boylesports closed X4 accounts

Betfred closed X2 accounts

I have totally given up ............ (arbing)

You're are arbing? Cannot complain then really. Why would a company take that business?

Wild_Dogger

To be fair Ladbrokes have always tended to be on the benificial end of my arbing.

Their odds compilers are very good.

Ive been with them 10 years or so

Wild_Dogger

myflipflops wrote: »

You're are arbing? Cannot complain then really. Why would a company take that business?

and from my point of view :

If an opportunity presents itself to avail of free money, then why wouldn't I jump on it ?

Im not there to make them rich !

You have to stop arbing with soft books and move to the asian books if you wish to arb in the long term.

budgiebee

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You have to stop arbing with soft books and move to the asian books if you wish to arb in the long term.

excuse my being green but what is a soft book and an asian book

SwdDub

I was gonna post my own thing on this topic but I think this covers it. I've had a mad lucky streak for the last week or so and won quite a bit (no bragging it was lucky streak!) I've lost a lot more than I've won in my time!.

I wanted a bet on a certain race today and all of a sudden I am restricted in what I can bet. Now it won't let me bet more than 25 or 30 quid on any one thing. I was gonna reinvest some of my winnings into a race today. No biggie that I can't place the amount I want. I was just curious as to why this was. I was never limited to what amount I could bet before.

I've had 21 winning bets that returned over €200 in the last week and only deposited €50 in that time. So I've won too much and am being a little bit frozen out now yeah is that it?

EDIT

by the way I haven't a scooby what arbing is so I doubt very much I am doing that.

Zuko123

SwdDub wrote: »

I was gonna post my own thing on this topic but I think this covers it. I've had a mad lucky streak for the last week or so and won quite a bit (no bragging it was lucky streak!) I've lost a lot more than I've won in my time!.

I wanted a bet on a certain race today and all of a sudden I am restricted in what I can bet. Now it won't let me bet more than 25 or 30 quid on any one thing. I was gonna reinvest some of my winnings into a race today. No biggie that I can't place the amount I want. I was just curious as to why this was. I was never limited to what amount I could bet before.

I've had 21 winning bets that returned over €200 in the last week and only deposited €50 in that time. So I've won too much and am being a little bit frozen out now yeah is that it?

EDIT

by the way I haven't a scooby what arbing is so I doubt very much I am doing that.

The total profit over one week was 200? That's pathetic if they restrict you over that,

okidoki987

That's pathetic if they restrict you over that

Wouldn't be the 1st time someone got restricted for an amount like that and it won't be the last.

What bookie was it and what markets did you win the moiney on?

"Arbing"

To guarantee yourself a profit irrespective of the outcome.
So if a bookie offers you 2/1 on a selection that you can lay off at 1/1 with a betting exchange (normally) and do so, that's arbing.
Bookie 2/1, you have a tenner on it so if it wins you win €20, if it loses you lose €10.
You lay it at 1/1 to win €15 (pre commission), if it wins you lose €15, if it loses you win €15 (pre commission).
So win 20 (bookie) lose 15 (exchange) = Profit €5
If it loses you win €15 Exchange (pre commission) & lose €10 bookie = €5 Profit.

Nervous Nigel

At least Biff won't be able to monetise the Sports Almanac now that the bookies are on the case...

SwdDub

Okay I wasn't arbing I was jammy b**tarding.

And it wasn't €200 profit total. Each of the 21 bets returned €200 or more. Now there were losing bets in there too but the total profit wasn't more than €2500. What I did was have one big winner. I used what was on the end of it (say it was €435.71, I used the €35.71) for another bet and it snowballed from there.

I'm incredibly restricted now. Will this be lifted at some stage or is it likely to remain the same? I'll change bookies if it keeps up. Anything around 8/1 or over I'm only allowed sums like €2 and €3 on.

€2500 is a nice profit in a short time but I've lost a hell of a lot more in my betting 'career' with Powers.

Cavehill Red

I've had quite a number of accounts limited. At this point, I am forced to do most of my betting in-store.
My experience has been that you will get your account limited if you do any of the following:
1. Obviously arbing
2. Punting big bets (significant three figures and upwards) on low odds regularly and in profit.
3. Are in profit to the tune of a four figure amount in a short period of time (a month or less).
4. At least a third of your punts win, whether you are in profit in the account or not.
No doubt every bookie has their own guidelines and every individual case is handled uniquely. But these are things I've found will get your account limited to the point where it is effectively useless.

okidoki987

I have found this to be helpful in the past.
Go to oddschecker.com or your bookie page and open up say a football match, open up Betfair.
Go through every odds available and compare them until you find one that is practically the same.
Do a few in/out bets even if it is for a small cost.
Hope the winning bet comes from the Betfair account so you have the loss in the bookie account.
If you look hard enough you will find at least 1 occassion there is practically the same back/lay with most bookies and betfair.
I have found it very helpful with 1 bookie that I was making money from and started to limti my bets.
Now back to full stake for the moment.
There are certain bookies it deffo won't work for but there are still a few that it does work for.

livefreeinuk

yes they will close any account that keeps winning the cheating low life's that they are, just like casino's when you lose big stay, when you win big, sir we have to ask you to leave.

Austria!

What makes a bookie limit or close your account exactly (obviously profitability, I mean specifics) and what steps can be taken to avoid closure?


Some suggestions for avoiding closure made already (not endorsing, just listing).
1. A few accumulators to mix it up
2. Inconsistent stakes.
3. A few losers which you make back by placing the opposite bet on a no limits account like pinnicle sports
4. Bets on different sports

dave3004

Lads I will tell you EXACTLY why and why not a bookie will close your account and/or limit your account.

Most of it has been covered. But there are some urban myths in there too.

Bookies dont care about "streaks". A guy could place 20 bets on and all win and he can keep his account. Its about prices. Is he getting better prices than SP?

Obviously arbing is a massive NO NO too. But some bookies will allow small robot arber accs on (betting 10 or 20 euro) and when they bet you know the price is gone off on betfair. This saves the traders fortunes in the long run as these bots are tuned to back anything shorter than the lay price on the fair.

Tie Ups. Any account that regularly bets on the same stable/kennel/jockey get marked up. They have inside info probs and are not worth the hassle of trying to beat them.

Owners. Let them bet. They havent a breeze.

Punting big bets doesn't get you limited or banned. It does however get you noticed. Whether your punts are good value or not is another thing.

People in profit also get noticed but again, will only be banned if getting better of the bookies on prices.

Betting around plenty of sports and venues will probably be good for you if you want to keep your account.

If you are only betting on Irish racing, or only racing in Leinster or something, then you'll get marked.