CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGY IS A HEALTH SCIENCE

investment

Psychology is a health science, therefore it should be a topic in this section. This sort of stigma is causing hundreds of people to die in Ireland every year:mad:. A quarter of all people between the age of 10-24 are dying from suicide.

386 people took their own lives in 2010
500 people took their lives in 2011
and many more have already died so far in 2012

Every GP should have one Psychologist in their surgery. For every three doctors in a hospital employed there should be one psychologist employed.

"When Paul says he wont be in work today because he has a doctors appointment, an appointment with the physio , or he has to see the dentist no one blinks an eye

however; when paul says he has an appointment with his psychologist...its a different story altogether "


Mods I ask you to set up a sticky on psychology and treat it as a health science that can save peoples lives. and for the snobs on here most psychology degrees are a BSc:rolleyes:

cambridge

there's an entire psychology forum, are you aware of that?

every GP practice should also employ a psychologist?

you'd wonder if the demand was there for a psychologist, why don't more clinical psychologists open up a private practice and get all the patients who need their expert care?

as the majority of treatments for depression involve drugs, you'd wonder if patients would be willing to pay twice, one for the gp for the prescription and one for the psychologists for the cbt

sillymoo

investment wrote: »

and for the snobs on here most psychology degrees are a BSc:rolleyes:

I have to admit I thought your post was great and agreed with a lot of what you said until I read the above.......

Why the attitude?

beardedmaster

investment wrote: »

and for the snobs on here most psychology degrees are a BSc:rolleyes:

I'm no snob, and the letters a Bachelor's degree has in some cases are only nominal, but -

UCD Psychology - BA (Hons)
TCD Psychology - BA (Hons)
UCC Psychology - BA (Hons)
UCC Applied Psychology - BA (Hons)
NUIM Psychology - BA (Hons)
NUIG Psychology - BA (Hons)
UL Psychology & Sociology - BA (Hons)

DCU Psychology - BSc (Hons)
UL Psychology - BSc (Hons)
NUIM Psychology Through Science - BSc (Hons)

And bear in mind that the last one is only the 3 year BA course with a year of Science subjects beforehand, and in 2nd year, you pick Science modules to fill up your free credits rather than Arts ones which you would be doing in the BA route.

So yeah, the attitude is un-needed, but also, why make broad sweeping statements like that if they're not even correct?

partyatmygaff

investment wrote: »

Psychology is a health science, therefore it should be a topic in this section. This sort of stigma is causing hundreds of people to die in Ireland every year:mad:.

Psychiatry is a clear cut discipline of the Health Sciences. Psychology is a bit less clear-cut. In any case, it has it's own forum.

A quarter of all people between the age of 10-24 are dying from suicide.
386 people took their own lives in 2010
500 people took their lives in 2011
and many more have already died so far in 2012

Indeed?

Assuming that those numbers you quoted are just people aged 10-24 and not the population as a whole, you're claiming that there were only 1544 10-24 year olds in Ireland in 2010 and only 2000 of them in 2011. Suicide is a big issue, but it's nowhere near "a quarter of all people between the age of 10-24 are dying from suicide" big. This isn't the Daily Mail after all, there's no need for gross exaggeration.

Every GP should have one Psychologist in their surgery. For every three doctors in a hospital employed there should be one psychologist employed.

I'd imagine a psychiatrist would be more than sufficient and better in a hospital setting. In Primary Care, a GP should be more than capable of dealing with common mental conditions. If not, they can refer the patient to a specialist.

Mods I ask you to set up a sticky on psychology and treat it as a health science that can save peoples lives. and for the snobs on here most psychology degrees are a BSc:rolleyes:

Why? Psychology has its own entire forum. Why does it need a sticky in Health Sciences Education?

As for most Psychology degrees being a BSc, that's not exactly true. The vast majority from what i've seen are BAs.

investment

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Psychiatry is a clear cut discipline of the Health Sciences. Psychology is a bit less clear-cut. In any case, it has it's own forum.

Indeed?

Assuming that those numbers you quoted are just people aged 10-24 and not the population as a whole, you're claiming that there were only 1544 10-24 year olds in Ireland in 2010 and only 2000 of them in 2011. Suicide is a big issue, but it's nowhere near "a quarter of all people between the age of 10-24 are dying from suicide" big. This isn't the Daily Mail after all, there's no need for gross exaggeration.

I'd imagine a psychiatrist would be more than sufficient and better in a hospital setting. In Primary Care, a GP should be more than capable of dealing with common mental conditions. If not, they can refer the patient to a specialist.

Why? Psychology has its own entire forum. Why does it need a sticky in Health Sciences Education?

As for most Psychology degrees being a BSc, that's not exactly true. The vast majority from what i've seen are BAs.

^^^^^^ only a few posts in and the bullsh**t starts:rolleyes:

why are you quoting my figures out of context?????:mad:..Do you think people commiting suicide is a joke and an exaggeration??

You should be ashamed of yourself.....I can only hope you dont work in the health sector, and if you happen to.. I hope you're just a pencil pusher the HSE has employed to fill out a few forms

Yes, the psychology forum deals with a different type of psychology... Psychothearpy, CBT etc...but this forum should deal with the clinical side

FYI...Clinical psychologist can prescribe medication in America and many other countries

partyatmygaff

investment wrote: »

^^^^^^ only a few posts in and the bullsh**t starts:rolleyes:

Actually, i'll think you'll find the bullshit started a bit earlier on in this thread.

why are you quoting my figures out of context?????:mad:..Do you think people commiting suicide is a joke and an exaggeration??

You should be ashamed of yourself.....I can only hope you dont work in the health sector, and if you happen to.. I hope you're just a pencil pusher the HSE has employed to fill out a few forms

"Out of context" - Good one.

What an absurd reply. I'm not sure if you're being sincere or you're just talking nonsense to try and save face. I hope it's the latter.

Yes, the psychology forum deals with a different type of psychology... Psychothearpy, CBT etc...but this forum should deal with the clinical side

CBT and Psychotherapy aren't clinical?

FYI...Clinical psychologist can prescribe medication in America and many other countries

Actually, i'll think you find it's not as straight forward as that. Very few states allow Psychologists to prescribe medication and those that do have a post-doctoral degree in psychopharmacology as a pre-requisite.

Biologic

investment wrote: »

You should be ashamed of yourself.....I can only hope you dont work in the health sector, and if you happen to.. I hope you're just a pencil pusher the HSE has employed to fill out a few forms

YOU should be ashamed of yourself coming on to a forum of health professionals and accusing people of not caring about a major health issue, all the while groaning for a forum that you already have. Take that chip on your shoulder somewhere else.

opinion guy

Who's Paul ?

investment

Biologic wrote: »

YOU should be ashamed of yourself coming on to a forum of health professionals and accusing people of not caring about a major health issue, all the while groaning for a forum that you already have. Take that chip on your shoulder somewhere else.

That reverse psychology wont work here ..buster:rolleyes:

I'm just wondering why clinical psychology is not a health science

partyatmygaff

investment wrote: »

That reverse psychology wont work here ..buster:rolleyes:

I'll think you'll find blanket accusations and tabloid-like posting styles won't "work" here either.

I'm just wondering why clinical psychology is not a health science

Psychology is a social science. Psychiatry is a clear cut health science.

investment

partyatmygaff wrote: »

I'll think you'll find blanket accusations and tabloid-like posting styles won't "work" here either.

Psychology is a social science. Psychiatry is a clear cut health science.

Perhaps social psychology, Educational psychology , Occupational psychology are social sciences

Cognitive psychology, Neuropsychology, Clinical Psychology, Forensic psychology are health sciences

partyatmygaff

investment wrote: »

Perhaps social psychology, Educational psychology , Occupational psychology are social sciences

Cognitive psychology, Neuropsychology, Clinical Psychology, Forensic psychology are health sciences

Seeing as Psychology has so many subdivisions is it not better suited to I dunno... its own forum perhaps?

What good is a single sticky in Health Sciences? Actually, on that note, why did you even start this thread at all? Here's what you've done in this thread:

• Suggested that psychology should be a topic on the Health Sciences forum despite it already having its own independent forum. Mentioned stigma to appeal to popular opinion.
• Gave some dodgy statistics more befitting a tabloid than a Health Sciences forum.
• Made the ridiculous suggestion of tagging along one psychologist to every GP (Which makes the role of a GP almost redundant) and the even more ludicrous suggestion of there being at least 1 psychologist for every 3 Doctors in a hospital setting.
• Retold a random anecdote.
• Suggested that a Psychology sticky is made in the Health Sciences forum under the strange belief that that would somehow legitimatise its position in the Health sciences in the general public and fight against stigma.
• Accused everyone on the forum of snobbery using incorrect information in the process.

One question, what exactly did you hope to achieve with this thread?