Michael Healy-Rae vs The Number 13

ejmaztec

There probably won't be any need for 2013 plates anyway.:(

The number 13 is considered to be an unlucky number in some countries. The end of the Mayan calendar's 13th Baktun is superstitiously feared as a harbinger of the apocalyptic 2012 phenomenon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13_(number)#Unlucky_13

Stripey Cat

What do you think their reason for not issuing this plate is?

dj jarvis

Stripey Cat wrote: »

What do you think their reason for not issuing this plate is?

i saw a interview on rte - it was either six one news or nationwide.
they were interviewing staff in revenue at the car section in rosslare co wexford.

they started to talk about picking your own number , and the host asked could she pick any number - the revenue replied numbers within the range available - then she asked her about the number 666 - could she get that

the revenue employee replied no , not that number , we dont issue that number - it could cause concern for some people , then laughed and said " sure its the number of the beast " , then they continued on with other questions

so when this thread started i asked why was 13 any more mad a request than 666 seeing they dont issue it ( so they had said on the tv )

some one questioned that - owen i think ,and to make sure i was not imagining it i decided to confirm it by ringing the dept and ask them,
got a real nice lady on the phone and told her there was a Internet debate
on this question , she laughed and said we dont issue that number but hang on and ill check , got back a few seconds later and said no we dont issue that one

so i hope this clears up why i was defending my position , two members of the staff that issue the numbers said they dont sell or issue that number

i can be pulled up on being a smart arse with some of my replies but not on defending my position with the information that revenue gave me

do you understand my position now ?

Owen

You've already been told - I've said as much - that a lot of staff even in the Vehicle Registrations Office in Rosslare, Wexford don't understand the Cherished Number process. I've dealt with hundreds of plates, and even reserving something simple has been very difficult with them. You get the wrong person at the end of the line, and they'll tell you it can't be done, or that the number's already taken when it isn't. It's the joys of dealing with Civil Servants.

To answer your other question, yes, the Revenue do get to 665, then jump to 667, same at 746 (Reserving 747 for wannabe pilots) and jump to 748. They also block reserve everything under 250 so that those who want a low number to make it look like they didn't import their car can do that too, keeping the number 1 for the various counties that use the Lord Mayor's private plate. They reserve a hell of a lot of numbers. Even numbers like 1000/2000/1500, models of car like 320, 3201 (So people can put a screw on the 1 and make it look like 320i), 911, 916/996/998 (For Ducatis), 1150 (For BMW R Series Motorbikes), and everything else thing think might possibly sell like 33333. When these numbers were 315 Euro to purchase, everyone and their mother did it. Now that they're 1000 Euro, they're more rare.

It's been explained to you at this stage ad nauseum whatever anecdotal evidence you think you have, you don't. RTE aren't exactly known for digging deep into motoring facts - the motors forum here has proved them wrong on several occasions.

We've given you a list of cars which have the 666 number, on their own, but feel free to pop to http://cartell.ie and have a look for yourself. There's hundreds of cars out there with 666 on them.

You were being deliberately obtuse and borderline abusing posters claiming you knew better without knowing all the facts, and now that you've been called on it, you're backtracking and clutching at straws. Just man up and admit you were wrong, no one'll think any worse of you - as opposed to digging deeper into the hole you're in

Stripey Cat

dj jarvis wrote: »

the revenue employee replied no , not that number , we dont issue that number - it could cause concern for some people , then laughed and said " sure its the number of the beast " , then they continued on with other questions

But, you see now that they do issue that number? Right?

So that report was inaccurate. Wasn't it?

Sitting on the sidelines eating popcorn, I decided to check test the number in cartel.ie and had a couple of successful results, so yes 666 is issued. I wouldn't know if it's only as a "cherished" number or not, but will accept that it is given the info Owen has posted, it is!

Has there been any further developments on the "13" fiasco!

dj jarvis

Owen wrote: »

You've already been told - I've said as much - that a lot of staff even in the Vehicle Registrations Office in Rosslare, Wexford don't understand the Cherished Number process. I've dealt with hundreds of plates, and even reserving something simple has been very difficult with them. You get the wrong person at the end of the line, and they'll tell you it can't be done, or that the number's already taken when it isn't. It's the joys of dealing with Civil Servants.

To answer your other question, yes, the Revenue do get to 665, then jump to 667, same at 746 (Reserving 747 for wannabe pilots) and jump to 748. They also block reserve everything under 250 so that those who want a low number to make it look like they didn't import their car can do that too, keeping the number 1 for the various counties that use the Lord Mayor's private plate. They reserve a hell of a lot of numbers. Even numbers like 1000/2000/1500, models of car like 320, 3201 (So people can put a screw on the 1 and make it look like 320i), 911, 916/996/998 (For Ducatis), 1150 (For BMW R Series Motorbikes), and everything else thing think might possibly sell like 33333. When these numbers were 315 Euro to purchase, everyone and their mother did it. Now that they're 1000 Euro, they're more rare.

It's been explained to you at this stage ad nauseum whatever anecdotal evidence you think you have, you don't. RTE aren't exactly known for digging deep into motoring facts - the motors forum here has proved them wrong on several occasions.

We've given you a list of cars which have the 666 number, on their own, but feel free to pop to http://cartell.ie and have a look for yourself. There's hundreds of cars out there with 666 on them.

You were being deliberately obtuse and borderline abusing posters claiming you knew better without knowing all the facts, and now that you've been called on it, you're backtracking and clutching at straws. Just man up and admit you were wrong, no one'll think any worse of you - as opposed to digging deeper into the hole you're in

i said i was being a smart arse - that is it , take it or leave it - i really dont care

as you said i did not know all the facts - but seeing i had done checks on the facts with relevant people and they, in turn confirmed what i thought

no back tracking was done , i presented my argument with the facts that were presented to me by the relevant authority - easy to debate when you have 4 or five people shouting at you - i stand by my defence of this opinion based on the facts presented to me by supposed relevant authority

my argument was based on facts that might be false - seeing i tried to clarify these facts and they were indeed confirmed ( not everyone knows that revenue motor dept are compulsive bull****ters apparently )

so the lesson here is do not believe one word that RTE publish or transmit and dont take the word of a employee of the revenue dept ???

Owen

dj jarvis wrote: »

not everyone knows that revenue motor dept are compulsive bull****ters apparently

Nowhere has anyone said the Revenue are liars. What we have said is that the Revenue don't have ALL their staff fully trained in the Cherished number procedure, and that the results you will get will vary from staff member to staff member. I booked 888 for one of my cars - I knew the number was available, but it took 3 phone calls to 3 different Revenue employees before I got to someone who knew enough to check properly.

dj jarvis wrote: »

so the lesson here is do not believe one word that RTE publish or transmit and dont take the word of a employee of the revenue dept ???

No, the lesson is make sure you have all the facts before you go insulting other people and defending a position absolutely and firmly when you really have no clue what you're talking about.

RTE make mistakes all the time, and your recall of the programme - if there was one - seems to be one where a casual conversation was happening between the RTE staff member and a member of the Revenue who sounds from your description like she was just saying things to make a nice TV programme - 'sure isn't it the number of the beast' - very professional reasoning for witholding a number.

dj jarvis

Owen wrote: »

Nowhere has anyone said the Revenue are liars. What we have said is that the Revenue don't have ALL their staff fully trained in the Cherished number procedure, and that the results you will get will vary from staff member to staff member. I booked 888 for one of my cars - I knew the number was available, but it took 3 phone calls to 3 different Revenue employees before I got to someone who knew enough to check properly.



No, the lesson is make sure you have all the facts before you go insulting other people and defending a position absolutely and firmly when you really have no clue what you're talking about.

RTE make mistakes all the time, and your recall of the programme - if there was one - seems to be one where a casual conversation was happening between the RTE staff member and a member of the Revenue who sounds from your description like she was just saying things to make a nice TV programme - 'sure isn't it the number of the beast' - very professional reasoning for witholding a number.

ok so taking what you have just posted how is it so hard for you to see how i came to the conclusion i did ?
i did not magic up this reason - it was based on supposed reliable information - nothing else

in fairness you might have more dealing with revenue than i do , but ANY time i have imported a car from the UK they have been spot on with what i have gotten from the web site before hand

so why should i have doubted this time ?
it was not just the tv clip , it was word of mouth from a employee 24 hrs ago
at what point should alarm bells have rang on what i was told?
all the cartell numbers and results are great but they STILL dont show if they were purchased or came with the car - that was my point from the start - can you buy 666 ? i was told no

so the question really is , should i take the word of the people who actually work in the dept or some random heads from boards ?

Owen

And the answer is, yes, yes you can buy 666. And actually, your first post mentioned nothing about buying it - you were adament the number was unavailable under all circumstances.

dj jarvis

Owen wrote: »

Nowhere has anyone said the Revenue are liars. What we have said is that the Revenue don't have ALL their staff fully trained in the Cherished number procedure, and that the results you will get will vary from staff member to staff member. I booked 888 for one of my cars - I knew the number was available, but it took 3 phone calls to 3 different Revenue employees before I got to someone who knew enough to check properly.



No, the lesson is make sure you have all the facts before you go insulting other people and defending a position absolutely and firmly when you really have no clue what you're talking about.

RTE make mistakes all the time, and your recall of the programme - if there was one - seems to be one where a casual conversation was happening between the RTE staff member and a member of the Revenue who sounds from your description like she was just saying things to make a nice TV programme - 'sure isn't it the number of the beast' - very professional reasoning for witholding a number.

this was my original point !!! if this is so mad a reason, why was JHR wanting 13 held back any different - based on what i was told by revenue

it made no sense to me at the time and that is the question i asked , go to my first post - what came after is a fudge of the original point

Stinicker

This is funny considering that Michael Healy Rae is a disabled driver himself availing of the lower rate of motor tax and vrt reliefs as he was in a bad road accident around 20 years ago which left him with a profound limp.

dj jarvis

Owen wrote: »

And the answer is, yes, yes you can buy 666. And actually, your first post mentioned nothing about buying it - you were adament the number was unavailable under all circumstances.

YAWN

ring rosslare in the morning and ask them why they dont know , i shan't and wont keep repeating myself - they supplied the info , tackle them on its validity

if its wrong, its their mistake not mine , take it up with them

Owen

YAWN

I already know. Lack of training. I've explained it multiple times to you. What's more plausible? Their lack of training meaning some staff don't know 666 is available ... or ... hundreds of already registered cars being fake, driving on fake plates, and cartell.ie populated with fake data because the plate isn't available?

smash

dj jarvis wrote: »

and for balance im going to ring them back tomorrow and try and book 13 d 666 or 13 ww 666 ect ect - and will report back then

You can not book a 13 reg until Nov at the earliest. You also can not book by phone, you must fill in a form and post it with a cheque/bank draft.

dj jarvis wrote: »

they were interviewing staff in revenue at the car section in rosslare co wexford.

What would they know? The cherished plates are managed by the VRO in Shannon.

dj jarvis wrote: »

all the cartell numbers and results are great but they STILL dont show if they were purchased or came with the car - that was my point from the start - can you buy 666 ? i was told no

I didn't only provide you with cartell links, I provided you with photos and a link to another site where you could see cars where the owners bought the reg numbers 666.

To back it up further: http://www.octane.ie/forum/showthread.php?t=14136

Stripey Cat

dj jarvis wrote: »

YAWN

ring rosslare in the morning and ask them why they dont know , i shan't and wont keep repeating myself - they supplied the info , tackle them on its validity

if its wrong, its their mistake not mine , take it up with them

The people in Rosslare weren't being insulting and abusive like a child in a playgroup though, were they?

policarp

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I didn't - I'm aware John O'Shea is with Goal (actually interviewed him once about it) but I certainly missed whatever point you were trying to make by mentioning him.

It was meant to infer that certain people with Kerry connections should keep their mouths shut.

languagenerd

Politics in this country! Last year I was doing a course in France with a lot of people from other European countries, and they were all having heated debates about politics and left and right and various theories - then they asked me "And how does it work in your country?" and couldn't understand why I started laughing.

I know this shouldn't be funny, considering we essentially pay the man to spout this crap, but I think it's hilarious... They'll try taxing the number 13 yet...

WhiteRussian

To be honest he does have a point about '13' having a negative effect on car-buying. However, two points;

1 - I would imagine it is only a small negative effect and possibly is discounted by the people who purposely buy a '13' registered car just to go against the superstitious amongst us.

2 - M.H-R brings this point up, not as a 10 second point during the Dáil day, but places a lot of weight upon it. He cares as much about the bigger picture in Ireland as a child does. This issue, for him, is a major issue. I have a problem with his priorities.

A quick spear tackle from Brian O'Driscoll would sort him out!

13 is only unlucky in bingo!

Capt'n Midnight

09 D 13 exists

so there is precedent for issuing 13 on number plates.

carchaeologist

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

09 D 13 exists

so there is precedent for issuing 13 on number plates.

Really? What is it? It seemed so far this year that the #13s in each county were not being allocated. They were defiantly skipped at the start of the year.
This year is the first year since 1992 that all the numbers from #1 upwards are allocated, not starting from 201 as was the case. You can still prebook, but only from November of the preceding year.

Stripey Cat

What sort of sauce would you recommend?

Stripey Cat

Carbonara?