New MA in History

topazyellow

Is anybody else interested the new history MA in the Irish Revolution 1912-1923?

ReacherCreature

topazyellow wrote: »

Is anybody else interested the new history MA in the Irish Revolution 1912-1923?

Not doing this but only found out about it now. Certainly seems interesting and the UCC History Department is more than capable of handling it. Hopefully it becomes successful.

topazyellow

ReacherCreature wrote: »

Not doing this but only found out about it now. Certainly seems interesting and the UCC History Department is more than capable of handling it. Hopefully it becomes successful.

Thanks for the reply ReacherCreature.

Went to the post grad stand the other day and spoke with some of the staff - it does sound good - although the course fees will be near enough 7,000 which is not so good

ReacherCreature

topazyellow wrote: »

Thanks for the reply ReacherCreature.

Went to the post grad stand the other day and spoke with some of the staff - it does sound good - although the course fees will be near enough 7,000 which is not so good

Isn't 7000 above the norm? I think some of the MAs I read about were below that. Still, costly. Are you going to go for it?

topazyellow

My mistake - fees are currently at 4,800 - I thought you'd have to add in a further 2.2k re the capitation/registration, but I believe that it doesn't apply to post grad.

I think that I'll go for it as it sounds really good

titan18

topazyellow wrote: »

My mistake - fees are currently at 4,800 - I thought you'd have to add in a further 2.2k re the capitation/registration, but I believe that it doesn't apply to post grad.

I think that I'll go for it as it sounds really good

Really,I thought you did. Nope seems to be all included.Awesome

ReacherCreature

Have you attended UCC before? It has a great History department for it. Some really good lecturers.

SEEMagazine

My first degree was FBAM History, UCC. Always loved my time there. Whenever I return to Ireland and retire I'll go back again.

happyman81

What an excellent way to avoid employment.

ReacherCreature

happyman81 wrote: »

What an excellent way to avoid employment.

Pray tell why?

happyman81

ReacherCreature wrote: »

happyman81 wrote: »

What an excellent way to avoid employment.

Pray tell why?

Because, even in the good times, jobs for History graduates were few and far between (no need to provide the list of 'potential' jobs posted on dept websites...). But things are truly bleak now. No offence, but an MA in History (or any MA) from UCC must be one of the least desirable slips of paper in the country, which is the biggest reason I left.

Now I have gained employment, along with others from my class who studied elsewhere. Those who stayed simply stagnated.

SEEMagazine

In many other countries a Masters is required to teach, and, surprise surprise, it leads to a far superior educational system.

<tangent> I've always maintained that our own cycle, even starting in Primary, needs to be changed drastically so that our Third Level options seem more clear. Of course it's not for everyone. Many out there fall into decent jobs on the back of their degree, or simply via contacts developed during their time in college.

I was offered a great job in the North of England once while on a break in London; turned it down in favour of completing my education... Now while I do have some regrets about that choice in life it did put me where I am today (under a few feet of snow admittedly) but I'm quite happy, and very few complaints. </tangent>

Ok, attacking someone for choosing to expand their educational CV during this economic crisis strikes me as being of poor judgment. Sure, maybe you didn't need the Masters, HDip, Mphil, etc, but it sounds like you're already in a job.

Reminds of me of the classic line from my Dad "When I was your age I'd built my own house". Of course back then it cost him one year's wages, and it would have cost me close to 20 during the boom years.

Circumstances are different for everyone, and posting sniping comments on this sort of thread are entirely unhelpful.

happyman81

Jeez, you try to offer useful advice and people get all emotional. The fact is, an arts degree makes you less employable than someone with a non arts degree. An arts degree from a sub standard university (recall, I attended it, I have first hand experience) makes you less employable than an arts degree from a reputable university.

My advice, assuming you want a job and want to do arts, study a masters that makes you employable, at a reputable university. Its what I did, and it worked (and for others who left too). My fellow alumni who stuck it out with with UCC are still on the dole.

I can't help it if the truth hurts peoples feelings. Not my problem.

Plautus

happyman81 wrote: »

Jeez, you try to offer useful advice and people get all emotional. The fact is, an arts degree makes you less employable than someone with a non arts degree. An arts degree from a sub standard university (recall, I attended it, I have first hand experience) makes you less employable than an arts degree from a reputable university.

My advice, assuming you want a job and want to do arts, study a masters that makes you employable, at a reputable university. Its what I did, and it worked (and for others who left too). My fellow alumni who stuck it out with with UCC are still on the dole.

I can't help it if the truth hurts peoples feelings. Not my problem.

UCC is not a reputable university? Arts degrees from UCC make you less employable? That's certainly not true compared with non-Arts degrees that would have been chosen by people three or more years ago following the jobs market of that time. Architecture? Civil Engineering? Eh?

You may have attended here, but coming onto the UCC forum and touting the above 'facts' is bloody well baiting for a reaction.

If you wish to pursue a Master of Arts in Irish history that will obviously not get you a job in a nuclear power plant. It will probably be useful for anyone with an ambition to get into academia or teaching. Be that here or abroad. UCC's History Department is of a high calibre. It applies to any degree of any specialism that one should have certain expectations about the types of career it leads to.

With youth unemployment not much better in Britain, I'm quite sure there are a fair few Oxbridge Humanities (and non-Humanities) students on the dole too. I don't know what we can draw from friends of yours being on the dole without more information than 'they did an Arts degree in UCC'.

ReacherCreature

Arts debates...

IrishEyes19

happyman81 wrote: »

Jeez, you try to offer useful advice and people get all emotional. The fact is, an arts degree makes you less employable than someone with a non arts degree. An arts degree from a sub standard university (recall, I attended it, I have first hand experience) makes you less employable than an arts degree from a reputable university.

My advice, assuming you want a job and want to do arts, study a masters that makes you employable, at a reputable university. Its what I did, and it worked (and for others who left too). My fellow alumni who stuck it out with with UCC are still on the dole.

I can't help it if the truth hurts peoples feelings. Not my problem.

Substandard university? You must really be bitter about something there. Didn't it just receive Ireland's first 5 star rating. The day I graduated from there it was actually announced so pretty sure that's true.

I did history in my final year, history department has to be the most dedicated group of people Ive ever worked with. excellent teachers who loved their work and took an interest in their students.

Just because you view arts as a subject that doesnt has the practical experience such as nursing, IT and other departments, does not lessen its value. A lot of art students use arts to break into other areas of studies.

As for the masters in history, it pays off as you have a better chance of being employed, a better salary and experience in presentations, research and attention to detail if you choose to pursue teaching, or research based jobs. All of which are skills employers value highly.

you sound incredibly bitter. :rolleyes: