Ian Paisley is in hospital...

KeithAFC · 06-02-2012 11:31pm

Hopefully his autobiography can be released soon. He was a good Ulsterman.

Biggins · 06-02-2012 11:35pm

Boiled down to the truth, he previously held some sentiments that was representative of his community at a particular time.
Those sentiments be they expressed in words, actions or both, he expressed with utter conviction at the time.
Now during those times I seriously disagreed with him - but he stuck to what he believed in even if any opposition thought he was wrong.
He was a product of the times and a voice of those times too with its militant attitude.

In latter years, he mellowed and perhaps (I'm assuming) saw that the way previously he operated, was getting the country he loved too, nowhere - so he changed his ways.

I might totally dislike the man that was of the past (and I did very strongly) but I accept that he was willing to change and compromise for the sake of all communities, to jointly see peace become a reality.

I give him credit for his efforts over the years.
Better a person sees the light of peace than remain stuck in a dark past and going nowhere.

Lets be honest, he was a MAJOR pain in the backside to opposing communities but if the most loudest, irate orator possible can quieten down and change, then there will always be hope in this country that things will change for the better.

I now wish him well.

oppenheimer1 · 06-02-2012 11:36pm

later10 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxEjzSlbHvY

That was a shameful speech full of incitement of hatred. Paisley should most definitely be remembered for that. Paisley may not have pulled the trigger, but his hands are dipped in the blood of dead men, women and children.

What I find even more shameful though was the lack of moderate unionists willing to stand up to that bigot.

oppenheimer1 · 06-02-2012 11:39pm

Biggins wrote: »

Boiled down to the truth, he previously held some sentiments that was representative of his community at a particular time.
Those sentiments be they expressed in words, actions or both, he expressed with utter conviction at the time.
Now during those times I seriously disagreed with him - but he stuck to what he believed in even if any opposition thought he was wrong.
He was a product of the times and a voice of those times too with its militant attitude.

I disagree. He was more than a product of the times, he helped manufacture the product of the times.

Cheeky_gal · 06-02-2012 11:39pm

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

I hope a heart attack kills him.

Horrible thing to say about anyone you should be ashamed

Doc Ruby · 06-02-2012 11:41pm

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I disagree. He was more than a product of the times, he helped manufacture the product of the times.

And hell's jaws yawn wide for his fat ass.

woodoo · 06-02-2012 11:43pm

KeithAFC wrote: »

Hopefully his autobiography can be released soon. He was a good Ulsterman.

I would read his autobiography.

If he truly was a believer in God he knew that he had to make amends in his latter days. He knew that he was an inciter to hatred and bad hearted to some of his fellow men in his younger years.

woodoo · 06-02-2012 11:44pm

Biggins wrote: »

Lets be honest, he was a MAJOR pain in the backside to opposing communities but if the most loudest, irate orator possible can quieten down and change, then there will always be hope in this country that things will change for the better.

Maybe he was just a fraud all along.

Biggins · 06-02-2012 11:46pm

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I disagree. He was more than a product of the times, he helped manufacture the product of the times.

Maybe he did but for all the terrible stuff he did (its possible to still forgive as well as not forgetting) and he did some serious crap, he changed his ways and brought his whole community eventually, bit by bit, by quiet talk and negotiations with even his enemy and we have a more peaceful island because of his efforts too.

He was no saint by any means but then of those times, he or she, the many that had not sinned like him on either side of the communities, should stand up and cast the first stone on him.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 06-02-2012 11:48pm

Judging by his sig, I think Biggins may be Ian Paisley.

Biggins · 06-02-2012 11:49pm

Zackary Grumpy Chimp wrote: »

Judging by his sig, I think Biggins may be Ian Paisley.

Well I am posting while very sick.

KeithAFC · 06-02-2012 11:49pm

woodoo wrote: »

I would read his autobiography.

If he truly was a believer in God he knew that he had to make amends in his latter days. He knew that he was an inciter to hatred and bad hearted to some of his fellow men in his younger years.

Ian Paisley chased the power in the later years with Sinn Fein. I don't think his views on Ulster nationalism or Ulster Unionism have ever changed. Just better to get on with your fellow power sharing "friends" than not.

Will go to his funeral if he does pass away to pay respects.

LordSutch · 06-02-2012 11:51pm

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

Ian Paisley was the Hitler of Northern Ireland.
I hope a heart attack kills him.
The bigotry, hatred, and sectarianism in the North still prevails because of the proletariat worshipping bigots like Ian Paisley.
When the last of the political dinosaurs from the Troubles are extinct; then the people of the North can move on and live in peace.
Why are there still peace walls in Belfast? Because people like Ian Paisley indoctrinated the youth during the Troubles with cultural apartheid. This hatred and bigotry is ingrained in Northern Irish culture and passed down from generation to generation.
The man was a criminal who should never have been released from Crumlin Jail.

Wow, thats strong stuff there Mr Foreigner, so I'm curious to know would you also be so scathing in your hatred towards any other big mouthed protagonists of the Troubles? Messers Adams & McGuinness come to mind, or is it just Paisley that you hope gets killed from a heart attack?

steddyeddy · 06-02-2012 11:52pm

Listen I do think he was a bigot. I more than most deplore how the catholics in the north were treated. Credit due where credits due though this man preached against catholics and later in life visited the grave of the catholic emancipator Daniel O Connel. Thats some turn around and it must have taken a serious questioning of values for him to have done that.

steddyeddy · 06-02-2012 11:55pm

Biggins wrote: »

Well I am posting while very sick.

Get well soon Biggins!

Chuck Stone · 06-02-2012 11:56pm

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I disagree. He was more than a product of the times, he helped manufacture the product of the times.

Absolutely this.

Ian Paisley's primary concern was Ian Paisley - the personification of a megalomaniac.

LordSutch · 06-02-2012 11:57pm

Interestingly, he never hated 'Catholics' as people, indeed he had many Roman Catholics in his constituency who wouldn't say a bad word about him, but Paisley does/did hate the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, that is where he always directed his bile.

lastlaugh · 06-02-2012 11:58pm

It's a shame that so much bloodshed and hatred has been caused by religion in the North.

Despite his biggoted past, I wish him well.

fryup · 06-02-2012 11:58pm

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

Ian Paisley was the Hitler of Northern Ireland.
I hope a heart attack kills him.
The bigotry, hatred, and sectarianism in the North still prevails because of the proletariat worshipping bigots like Ian Paisley.
When the last of the political dinosaurs from the Troubles are extinct; then the people of the North can move on and live in peace.

well thats rich coming from you, a man who said in a previous thread about the union jack..that you "hate britain and the british"

i think you're the one with the black heart

Doc Ruby · 07-02-2012 12:00am

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Ian Paisley's primary concern was Ian Paisley - the personification of a megalomaniac.

Beat me to it to be honest, wee Ian didn't care where the money or votes were coming from as long as he got them. Politician in shocker about looking after votes in order to get elected, spits sectarian bile out the other side of his mouth.

Come on Ian, eternity is waiting. Gleefully.

Zebra3 · 07-02-2012 12:01am

KeithAFC wrote: »

He was a good Ulsterman.

He helped fan the flames of a bitter war which saw over 3,000 people die and another what? 10,000+ suffer injuries.

Whatever turns you on.

gigino · 07-02-2012 12:01am

LordSutch wrote: »

Interestingly, he never hated 'Catholics' as people, indeed he had many Roman Catholics in his constituency who wouldn't say a bad word about him, but Paisley does/did hate the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, that is where he always directed his bile.

plus he believed in supporting the government / the law. He kept the 10 commandments. If everyone supported the law in N. I., it would have been a better place in the 70's and 80's.

Zebra3 · 07-02-2012 12:06am

Zackary Grumpy Chimp wrote: »

Judging by his sig, I think Biggins may be Ian Paisley.

Biggins's sig refers to rebuilding a republic.

Paisley (who was headed of the Democratic Unionist Party) was pro-monarchist.

KeithAFC · 07-02-2012 12:06am

Zebra3 wrote: »

He helped fan the flames of a bitter war which saw over 3,000 people die and another what? 10,000+ suffer injuries.

Whatever turns you on.

A man of his time. Like many others.

Notorious97 · 07-02-2012 12:06am

gigino wrote: »

LordSutch wrote: »

Interestingly, he never hated 'Catholics' as people, indeed he had many Roman Catholics in his constituency who wouldn't say a bad word about him, but Paisley does/did hate the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, that is where he always directed his bile.

plus he believed in supporting the government / the law. He kept the 10 commandments. If everyone supported the law in N. I., it would have been a better place in the 70's and 80's.

Im not actually sure if your reply is taking the pi$$ or not, if it is then ignore my reply, if not...

You mean the law in NI which oppresed catholics for simply being catholics??? It was the northern statelet which helped create the conditions for the troubles to exist

I am no fan of paisley, never will be but recently he has helped bring about change, but leaving that aside he was nobody to be proud of!

Biggins · 07-02-2012 12:08am

Zebra3 wrote: »

Biggins's sig refers to rebuilding a republic.

Paisley (who was headed of the Democratic Unionist Party) was pro-monarchist.

Zackary Grumpy Chimp was just jesting. Pulling my chain!
No worries.

buyer95 · 07-02-2012 12:08am

According to Eamon Mallie he hasnt suffered a heart attack and isnt as ill as is being said, https://twitter.com/#!/EamonnMallie

Seachmall · 07-02-2012 12:08am

KeithAFC wrote: »

Hopefully his autobiography can be released soon. He was a good Ulsterman.

Aye, should be a good read.

steddyeddy · 07-02-2012 12:09am

In fairness there was far worse than him in the north who really hated catholics. As was said he seemed to hate the religion itself.

Biggins · 07-02-2012 12:09am

buyer95 wrote: »

According to Eamon Mallie he hasnt suffered a heart attack and isnt as ill as is being said, https://twitter.com/#!/EamonnMallie

I wonder how he has such an insight into whats going on exactly in the mans room and the treatment he's getting?

Chuck Stone · 07-02-2012 12:12am

gigino wrote: »

plus he believed in supporting the government / the law. If everyone supported the law in N. I., it would have been a better place in the 70's and 80's.

This is total bull**** and wilful trolling.

Paisley was jailed a number of times.

Zebra3 · 07-02-2012 12:12am

gigino wrote: »

plus he believed in supporting the government / the law. He kept the 10 commandments. If everyone supported the law in N. I., it would have been a better place in the 70's and 80's.

He loved thy neighbour? :rolleyes:

Of course if the RUC and B-Specials had supported the law, maybe so much s**t wouldn't have happened.

Even the Brits when they arrived into Belfast were appauled by the behaviour of the B-Specials in particular.

david75 · 07-02-2012 12:12am

Ian Paisley arrives at the pearly gates. St. peter notices his name is flagged.
'ian, i'm going to need proof of three good deeds before I can admit you into heaven' says St.Peter

'well, in the 1960's, I donated £100 anonymously to a catholic family whose electricity was being cut off.'

St. peter flicks through the book. 'it's there.' Two more'

'in the 1970's I donated £100 anonymously to a Catholic family who's Father had been imprisoned'

St. peter flicks through the book. 'it's there. One more.

'in the 1980's i donated £100 to a Catholic family who's son was on hunger strikemin the maze'

St. peter flicks through the book. 'it's there. Hang on i have a word with the big man.

St. peter goes behind a curtain and calls God. he returns a few moments later and says 'God said to give you this. here's your £300. Now **** off to hell.'

Callipo · 07-02-2012 12:13am

I read somewhere that Steve Jobs last words were "Wow, wow, wow"

I hope his are "No, No, No"

buyer95 · 07-02-2012 12:13am

Biggins wrote: »

I wonder how he has such an insight into whats going on exactly in the mans room and the treatment he's getting?

The guy has 10,000 followers, apparently a respected political analyst in the North, I doubt he would get a way with hearsay, expect its true, as their has been no formal confirmation it was a heart attack

Zebra3 · 07-02-2012 12:14am

KeithAFC wrote: »

A man of his time. Like many others.

So true.

Just like Stalin, Hitler, Churchill, the leaders of the KKK, the bigots of Apartheid SA.........

Chuck Stone · 07-02-2012 12:14am

steddyeddy wrote: »

In fairness there was far worse than him in the north who really hated catholics. As was said he seemed to hate the religion itself.

While being an 'infallible Pope' of a pretty hateful church himself.

I mean come on FFS - a total hypocrite.

Biggins · 07-02-2012 12:15am

buyer95 wrote: »

The guy has 10,000 followers, apparently a respected political analyist in the North, I doubt he would get a way with hearsay, expect its true, as their has been no formal confirmation it was a heart attack

fair enough, there must be some of those 10,000 followers in the hospital right now, keeping him informed.
Sky News just reported he is having heart problems by the way. Something to do with his pacemaker?

KeithAFC · 07-02-2012 12:15am

Zebra3 wrote: »

So true.

Just like Stalin, Hitler, Churchill, the leaders of the KKK, the bigots of Apartheid SA.........

Gerry Adams, Martin Mcguinness, Billy McKee, Tom Barry and so on.

Callipo · 07-02-2012 12:15am

steddyeddy wrote: »

In fairness there was far worse than him in the north who really hated catholics. As was said he seemed to hate the religion itself.

i suggest you read a book on the subject. there were many.

Irish Wolf · 07-02-2012 12:17am

Biggins wrote: »

his pacemaker?

Gerry and...

later12 · 07-02-2012 12:17am

gigino wrote: »

He kept the 10 commandments.

Well I'm not sure what kind of defense that is supposed to be, but it's important to counter it anyway.

From my limited memory of Christian belief, Jesus summed up the ten commandments with "Love the Lord thy God", and "Love thy neighbour".

Love thy neighbour?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zSWlAHD29M

buyer95 · 07-02-2012 12:18am

Biggins wrote: »

fair enough, there must be some of those 10,000 followers in the hospital right now, keeping him informed.
Sky News just reported he is having heart problems by the way. Something to do with his pacemaker?

No need to get all uppity... Its not like it matters greatly, either way, he is 85 and will only hang in their for so much longer, his death sure will be a momentous occasion, but if its tomorrow or in 5 years time the reaction will be the same

Bullseye1 · 07-02-2012 12:19am

KeithAFC wrote: »

Gerry Adams, Martin Mcguinness, Billy McKee, Tom Barry and so on.

Not quite as good as Zebra's list.

Zebra3 · 07-02-2012 12:19am

KeithAFC wrote: »

Gerry Adams, Martin Mcguinness, Billy McKee, Tom Barry and so on.

What about them?

None of them are racist or sectarian bigots.

Anti-imperialist, yes.

steddyeddy · 07-02-2012 12:19am

Callipo wrote: »

i suggest you read a book on the subject. there were many.

I have read many books on the subject and known people badly affected by the troubles. There was certainly worse than him in the north.

Comeagain · 07-02-2012 12:20am

The bould Ian has made his peace. He wants to be accepted in the next world. Thats why he shaked the hand of Bertie the berk a few years ago without realising that Bertie was a bigger sinner.

Swings and roundabouts. Smoke and mirrors, daggers or whatever your havin.

May he rest in peace or something similar.

Doc Ruby · 07-02-2012 12:22am

steddyeddy wrote: »

I have read many books on the subject and known people badly affected by the troubles. There was certainly worse than him in the north.

Few as visible and influential though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uxOXQPVh-s

woodoo · 07-02-2012 12:23am

KeithAFC wrote: »

A man of his time. Like many others.

Say ten 'Hail Mary's' Keith and hope for the best.

KeithAFC · 07-02-2012 12:23am

Zebra3 wrote: »

What about them?

None of them are racist or sectarian bigots.

Anti-imperialist, yes.

Yeah, just like blowing people to pieces and shooting people. A people of the time.

Ian Paisley is in hospital...

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