Lar Corbett Retires

SARZY · 08-02-2012 9:04pm

premierstone wrote: »

It was'nt Declan and it wasnt he's own club man after that I really couldnt say

maybe you mean the lad who could have had the big job himself but didnt want to carry the can but now wants to run the show without having to take responsibility, the same man who shafted a manager mid-season in the past, had one great day as a player and comes from a club that won loads of county titles but won nothing outside tipp.

who is that man.

premierstone · 09-02-2012 2:31am

SARZY wrote: »

maybe you mean the lad who could have had the big job himself but didnt want to carry the can but now wants to run the show without having to take responsibility, the same man who shafted a manager mid-season in the past, had one great day as a player and comes from a club that won loads of county titles but won nothing outside tipp.

who is that man.

No idea who you could possibly mean

and the funny thing is some poster actually accused me of being from that ''club''

rebelomar · 09-02-2012 6:02am

As a Corkman im gutted he's after retiring...great player to watch. I love seeing guys go for goal whenever they get a sniff and Lar is some man to get a goal. Always struck me as a sound fella....I really hope he returns. Hurlings loss

StephenHendry · 09-02-2012 12:10pm

premierstone wrote: »

No its nothing to do with that, if it was that surely Cummins would have more reason for a gripe than Lar, lets just say there was a difference of opinion between Lar and a member of the managment dating back to last September, I had assumed it had blown over, but it would seem that on Lar's return from Austrailia it has raised its head again and Lar has probably called their bluff in a way, I have no doubt he will be back but whether its under this management or not is the big question.

thought there might have been a difference of opinion there at some stage premierstone. having said that i still think will be back at some stage , probably under a new management team. a lot of pressure will be on ryan this year, lar withdrawing on adds to that

premierstone · 09-02-2012 12:53pm

StephenHendry wrote: »

thought there might have been a difference of opinion there at some stage premierstone. having said that i still think will be back at some stage , probably under a new management team. a lot of pressure will be on ryan this year, lar withdrawing on adds to that

Oh Im certain he will be back and as you say its just a question of whether its under the current regime or not, lest not forget Lar has plenty of ''form'' here, its always referred to that Lar never hurled minor for Tipp and hurled senior before u-21, it happened for a very good reason, Lar retired from hurling at 15 and didnt play again untill the Mid Tipperary Minor final 2 years later and he has missed more Thurles games over the years than he has played.

My own personal view is the management werent happy with he's level of committment and laid down an ultimatum and said its our way or the high way and the bould Larry called their bluff, its worked a treat though he has the whole county talking about him and praying he'll come back and when he does he'll be the hero that cam back to save Tipp :rolleyes: Give me a real hero like Eoin Kelly, Brenadan Cummins or Paul Curran any day.

StephenHendry · 09-02-2012 1:38pm

premierstone wrote: »

Oh Im certain he will be back and as you say its just a question of whether its under the current regime or not, lest not forget Lar has plenty of ''form'' here, its always referred to that Lar never hurled minor for Tipp and hurled senior before u-21, it happened for a very good reason, Lar retired from hurling at 15 and didnt play again untill the Mid Tipperary Minor final 2 years later and he has missed more Thurles games over the years than he has played.

My own personal view is the management werent happy with he's level of committment and laid down an ultimatum and said its our way or the high way and the bould Larry called their bluff, its worked a treat though he has the whole county talking about him and praying he'll come back and when he does he'll be the hero that cam back to save Tipp :rolleyes: Give me a real hero like Eoin Kelly, Brenadan Cummins or Paul Curran any day.

spot on premier. anyway hopefully we can get our heads down and concentrate on having a decent league campaign

oats 2 · 13-02-2012 10:04pm

premierstone wrote: »

Oh Im certain he will be back and as you say its just a question of whether its under the current regime or not, lest not forget Lar has plenty of ''form'' here, its always referred to that Lar never hurled minor for Tipp and hurled senior before u-21, it happened for a very good reason, Lar retired from hurling at 15 and didnt play again untill the Mid Tipperary Minor final 2 years later and he has missed more Thurles games over the years than he has played.

My own personal view is the management werent happy with he's level of committment and laid down an ultimatum and said its our way or the high way and the bould Larry called their bluff, its worked a treat though he has the whole county talking about him and praying he'll come back and when he does he'll be the hero that cam back to save Tipp :rolleyes: Give me a real hero like Eoin Kelly, Brenadan Cummins or Paul Curran any day.

seems to me lke you know everything about larry and most other things

premierstone · 14-02-2012 12:11am

oats 2 wrote: »

seems to me lke you know everything about larry and most other things

Anything that I said in particular that you dont agree with or would like to refute??

MrJoeSoap · 14-02-2012 12:12am

By the way, quotes from Declan Ryan in the Indo today:

"Unfortunately Larry has opted out of the panel for the time being due to work commitments but we're hoping we may see him in the blue and gold again and that'll be his decision.

"Lar's a mercurial character and he doesn't take that long to get fit. We'd be happy to see him any time between now and the end of May."

http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/ryan-hints-corbett-may-return-for-championship-3017418.html

Red Crow · 15-02-2012 10:55pm

premierstone wrote: »

Oh Im certain he will be back and as you say its just a question of whether its under the current regime or not, lest not forget Lar has plenty of ''form'' here, its always referred to that Lar never hurled minor for Tipp and hurled senior before u-21, it happened for a very good reason, Lar retired from hurling at 15 and didnt play again untill the Mid Tipperary Minor final 2 years later and he has missed more Thurles games over the years than he has played.

My own personal view is the management werent happy with he's level of committment and laid down an ultimatum and said its our way or the high way and the bould Larry called their bluff, its worked a treat though he has the whole county talking about him and praying he'll come back and when he does he'll be the hero that cam back to save Tipp :rolleyes: Give me a real hero like Eoin Kelly, Brenadan Cummins or Paul Curran any day.

You blame Lar Corbett for this?
99% of the county has been looking at Tommy for this and if you think this is for the publicity then you couldn't be more wrong. Lar isn't that kind of guy. You're, of course, entitled to your own personal view, but that's pure fiction.

premierstone · 16-02-2012 10:51am

Eli Manning wrote: »

You blame Lar Corbett for this?
99% of the county has been looking at Tommy for this and if you think this is for the publicity then you couldn't be more wrong. Lar isn't that kind of guy. You're, of course, entitled to your own personal view, but that's pure fiction.

Yes I do blame Larry for this, he has never been a keen trainer, he doesnt bother with Thurles untill the bussiness end of the year and has missed more games in the last ten years than he has played, there are 35 players currently involved in the Tipp setup, many of whom have done far more than Lar for Tipp hurling, and not one of them have a problem with the commitment levels been asked for apart from the lad who lives three minutes away from Semple Stadium :rolleyes:

Tommy Dunne is imo a terrible man manager and a stubborn guy but that does not justify Lars reaction, incidently do you know what this row all started over, I do and have spoken to numerous people that were in the team hotel last september when it flared up and believe me Larry does not come out of it looking very well!

16-02-2012 11:07pm

premierstone wrote: »

Yes I do blame Larry for this, he has never been a keen trainer, he doesnt bother with Thurles untill the bussiness end of the year and has missed more games in the last ten years than he has played, there are 35 players currently involved in the Tipp setup, many of whom have done far more than Lar for Tipp hurling, and not one of them have a problem with the commitment levels been asked for apart from the lad who lives three minutes away from Semple Stadium :rolleyes:

Tommy Dunne is imo a terrible man manager and a stubborn guy but that does not justify Lars reaction, incidently do you know what this row all started over, I do and have spoken to numerous people that were in the team hotel last september when it flared up and believe me Larry does not come out of it looking very well!

But in fairness even if Lar was never a hard trainer per-se his record speaks for itself and for that reason common sense and flexibility must come into play.
the man is a goal machine and owes us absolutely nothing. he has been there without a break since 2001 and is one of our top scorers of all time.

I honestly think there is no need for him or Eoin kelly to be doing a whole lot of hurling this time of year. The management have no cop on whatsoever. They are out of their depth in my opinion and all the good work that Sheedy O'Shea and Michael Ryan have done beforehand is unravelling rapidly due to egos with their own vested interests other then whats best for Tipperary hurling. Tommy allegedly fell out with Cian O'Neill who is one of the top strength and conditioning coaches in the game.

16-02-2012 11:21pm

ft9 wrote: »

No, Jackie just had him in his back pocket.

Noel Hickey had a tough time of it the year before against Lar but one thing is for certain if he retired in the morning id happily acknowledge he was one of the finest full backs to grace the game regardless of the one game he came up short against a wonderful forward.

premierstone · 17-02-2012 1:51am

Deleted User wrote: »

But in fairness even if Lar was never a hard trainer per-se his record speaks for itself and for that reason common sense and flexibility must come into play.
the man is a goal machine and owes us absolutely nothing. he has been there without a break since 2001 and is one of our top scorers of all time.

I honestly think there is no need for him or Eoin kelly to be doing a whole lot of hurling this time of year. The management have no cop on whatsoever. They are out of their depth in my opinion and all the good work that Sheedy O'Shea and Michael Ryan have done beforehand is unravelling rapidly due to egos with their own vested interests other then whats best for Tipperary hurling. Tommy allegedly fell out with Cian O'Neill who is one of the top strength and conditioning coaches in the game.

Let me ask you this so what did Lar ever do betwen 2001 and 2009?? He was completly anonimous in them years and is soo overated in Tipp tbh its scary, Eoin Kelly has consistently been in the top two or three forwards in the country for 12 years now and you dont hear him coming out with any of this rubish, if Lar thinks he hasnt he time or is too good to be doing the proper training then good riddance.

Red Crow · 17-02-2012 8:17am

premierstone wrote: »

Yes I do blame Larry for this, he has never been a keen trainer, he doesnt bother with Thurles untill the bussiness end of the year and has missed more games in the last ten years than he has played, there are 35 players currently involved in the Tipp setup, many of whom have done far more than Lar for Tipp hurling, and not one of them have a problem with the commitment levels been asked for apart from the lad who lives three minutes away from Semple Stadium :rolleyes:

Tommy Dunne is imo a terrible man manager and a stubborn guy but that does not justify Lars reaction, incidently do you know what this row all started over, I do and have spoken to numerous people that were in the team hotel last september when it flared up and believe me Larry does not come out of it looking very well!

Training? What about those solo sessions with O'Shea in Cloughjordan and Cummmins saying he was happy to go training with O'Shea seven nights a week. What did Tommy Dunne think of that? Clearly the problem lies in the management and Tommy Dunne seems to be causing a lot of problems. Ryan and Dunne seem completely out of their depth. O'Shea has not been replaced. The intensity is gone.

Lar shouldn't have to train every day of the week, nor should Kelly. The point was that the murmurs in the camp are suggestive that management isn't up to scratch tactically or on the training pitch.

premierstone wrote: »

Let me ask you this so what did Lar ever do betwen 2001 and 2009?? He was completly anonimous in them years and is soo overated in Tipp tbh its scary, Eoin Kelly has consistently been in the top two or three forwards in the country for 12 years now and you dont hear him coming out with any of this rubish, if Lar thinks he hasnt he time or is too good to be doing the proper training then good riddance.

Eoin Kelly is a complete legend, a guy who kept Tipp competitive by himself for many years. But you're completely under-rating Lar and to be honest your talking a complete load of rubbish there.

Don't assume what happened. Your making a shocking guess on the whole situation or you are fabricating a story because you have an agenda. Either way you're not telling the truth. Babs by any chance?

premierstone · 17-02-2012 10:19am

I'll agree with you on two things, yes Tommy Dunne is a problem, he's an arrogant know it all who try's to dictate, and obviously i agree that Eoin Kelly is an absolute legend and probably in the top 5 hurlers Tipperary has ever produced.

However I cannot agree with your asessment that Declan Ryan is way out of he's depth considering he had had 12 months in the job and won a munster title with one of the best displays we have ever seen, Lar didnt seem to have any problems with tactics that day, and got us to an AI. Yes there were mistakes made, just like there were in Sheedys first two years and in fact 2 1/2, let us not forget the embarrassment in the Pairc against a mediocre Cork team.

No one has addressed my point about Larrys questionable commitment and attitude and as I have pointed out he has missed more games with he's club that he has played, did feck all between 2001-2009 and at the age of 30 is now in hes second retirement from the game??

And finally I have not made anything up, I have many contacts both within the current Tipperary setup and from the previous one, I am not from Thurles or Toomevara and actually have good time for Lar as a person, and dont appreciate the insinuation or your personal attack, if you want to discuss Tipperary hurling I will do so all day but if you want to resort to petty personal insults you have the wrong man.

ReacherCreature · 17-02-2012 12:08pm

Statisically, Lar's record on the overall since 2004 is superb.

2004 was a hard year and couldn't do much. He played fifty minutes over two games - hard for a "rookie" in his first year. 2005 was only marginally better. I think Corbett was slow to start. I took him a while to wind up the machine and paltry early games do not help his record. He always had potential but it seemed he never broke through but questions of the management must be asked. Surely someone was there to see what he could do? Fair enough if he wasn't up for it training-wise but there's hardly ever one factor in these things. Also, I don't believe in this barren wilderness of production from '04-'09, in 2007 he scored 3-12 and two of those games he played around 35 minutes. That's something.

When the machine got oiled up and the slowness eliminated, Corbett has been dominant. Corbett is overrated in some sections but his production regardless of his years played or not is phenomenal.

Since 2004, Lar has scored a point from play every 16.12 minutes. John Mullane is second with a point every 17.56 minutes. Other players such as Brennan, Canning, Horgan, O' Sullivan, Shefflin and Kelly are ranked lower.

This is from play, no frees or penalties. Corbett is thus the most efficiently scoring player since 2004.

Another category to show his effectiveness is his rankings on the top 20 scorers from play. Mullane is top with 145, Corbett is second with 130 points. Again, ranking above Kelly, Shanahan, Shefflin, Canning etc.

Corbett scores an average of 3.82 points a game, tying with Mullane and Gareth Johnson of Down for first place.

Lets not forget that Corbett was integral to the success Tipperary have had in winning games. Whether winning All-Irelands, Leagues, Championships, Corbett has been important. He'll be missed if he stays away but the next important thing to look at his the Tipperary depth. It will be a sign of greatness if the Tipperary management (who I have my reservations about by the way) can get production out of the backups.

If Corbett stays away, fine, if he comes back, great.

Mountainlad · 17-02-2012 12:29pm

ReacherCreature wrote: »

Statisically, Lar's record on the overall since 2004 is superb.

2004 was a hard year and couldn't do much. He played fifty minutes over two games - hard for a "rookie" in his first year. 2005 was only marginally better. I think Corbett was slow to start. I took him a while to wind up the machine and paltry early games do not help his record. He always had potential but it seemed he never broke through but questions of the management must be asked. Surely someone was there to see what he could do? Fair enough if he wasn't up for it training-wise but there's hardly ever one factor in these things. Also, I don't believe in this barren wilderness of production from '04-'09, in 2007 he scored 3-12 and two of those games he played around 35 minutes. That's something.

When the machine got oiled up and the slowness eliminated, Corbett has been dominant. Corbett is overrated in some sections but his production regardless of his years played or not is phenomenal.

Since 2004, Lar has scored a point from play every 16.12 minutes. John Mullane is second with a point every 17.56 minutes. Other players such as Brennan, Canning, Horgan, O' Sullivan, Shefflin and Kelly are ranked lower.

This is from play, no frees or penalties. Corbett is thus the most efficiently scoring player since 2004.

Another category to show his effectiveness is his rankings on the top 20 scorers from play. Mullane is top with 145, Corbett is second with 130 points. Again, ranking above Kelly, Shanahan, Shefflin, Canning etc.

Corbett scores an average of 3.82 points a game, tying with Mullane and Gareth Johnson of Down for first place.

Lets not forget that Corbett was integral to the success Tipperary have had in winning games. Whether winning All-Irelands, Leagues, Championships, Corbett has been important. He'll be missed if he stays away but the next important thing to look at his the Tipperary depth. It will be a sign of greatness if the Tipperary management (who I have my reservations about by the way) can get production out of the backups.

If Corbett stays away, fine, if he comes back, great.

But he didn't start hurling for Tipp in 2004.

Anyway, the stats to me are irrelevent, Corbett has shown over the past 4 seasons his immense quality and he'd be a big loss to any team. It was has tally that got Tipp over the line against Dublin, and when he didn't score in the All-Ireland final, Tipp lost.

premierstone · 17-02-2012 12:35pm

ReacherCreature wrote: »

if Corbett stays away, fine, if he comes back, great.

I also hope he comes back Reacher as forwards of he's calibre are very hard to come by and apart from Eoin Kelly, who is probably on the wane now aswell we havent produced anything near their class for many years, my biggest concern would be the knock on affect of allowing Lar to simply waltz back on to the panel in late May as Declan Ryan has basically given him a licence to do, I mean how will the rest of the panel who are bursting a gut all year feel about that, surely there would be bad blood??

Also not sure why you have decided to analyse hes career from 2004 and call him a rookie in 2004, Lar has been a member of the Tipperary senior hurling team since 2001, and while has been the best forward in the country over the last three years he was very ordinary between 2001 and 2009 an opinion borne out by the fact he didnt win a single All star untill 2009 - he's 9th year on the Tipp team.

tipptom · 17-02-2012 12:41pm

Someone wrote during the week that if Lar is to busy in the pub for training then he should be advising the vitners acc on where they are going wrong with their dramatic decrease in customers.He has a partner in the pub that is more experienced than him and i think he would be able to handle the numbers whe Lar is not there.As far as i can see there is no one in the pubs in Thurles during the week and would it not make more sense to keep on hurling as that keeps the customers coming in while a players career is still live,after all thats the only reason his name is over the door.

premierstone · 17-02-2012 12:47pm

tipptom wrote: »

Someone wrote during the week that if Lar is to busy in the pub for training then he should be advising the vitners acc on where they are going wrong with their dramatic decrease in customers.He has a partner in the pub that is more experienced than him and i think he would be able to handle the numbers whe Lar is not there.As far as i can see there is no one in the pubs in Thurles during the week and would it not make more sense to keep on hurling as that keeps the customers coming in while a players career is still live,after all thats the only reason his name is over the door.

Anyone who actually believes the real reason for Lar leaving the panel was for bussiness reasons probably writes a letter to a big fat bearded man every December and leaves their teeth under their pillow.

tipptom · 17-02-2012 1:22pm

premierstone wrote: »

Anyone who actually believes the real reason for Lar leaving the panel was for bussiness reasons probably writes a letter to a big fat bearded man every December and leaves their teeth under their pillow.

Is their any room for a little more info on what happened last September?

premierstone · 17-02-2012 1:48pm

tipptom wrote: »

Is their any room for a little more info on what happened last September?

A difference of opinion between Lar and managemnt over what the starting 15 should have been, quite what it had to do with Lar is a mystery to me though.

tipptom · 17-02-2012 1:59pm

premierstone wrote: »

A difference of opinion between Lar and managemnt over what the starting 15 should have been, quite what it had to do with Lar is a mystery to me though.

Well,he should have focused on his own game and let the management manage if that was the case and it might have turned out differently.

ReacherCreature · 17-02-2012 2:32pm

premierstone wrote: »

I also hope he comes back Reacher as forwards of he's calibre are very hard to come by and apart from Eoin Kelly, who is probably on the wane now aswell we havent produced anything near their class for many years

Quite right but I think it's time to give the current crop of Tipperary forwards a chance. Over the years good players are indeed hard to come by but there's a lot of youth in those front lines. McGrath, Callanan, Maher are good players but need to push up more. Then Hammersly, O' Meara and Bourke among others could probably chip in. I'd like to give them a couple more years and see what they do.

my biggest concern would be the knock on affect of allowing Lar to simply waltz back on to the panel in late May as Declan Ryan has basically given him a licence to do, I mean how will the rest of the panel who are bursting a gut all year feel about that, surely there would be bad blood??

I'm sure Ryan regrets that quote. We'll put it down to the shock sustained after the retirement but it was a silly thing to do, practically giving Corbett a free will on when to walk back on, something like that could cause ruptures in the squad. Some of the senior guys would frown on it.

Also not sure why you have decided to analyse hes career from 2004 and call him a rookie in 2004, Lar has been a member of the Tipperary senior hurling team since 2001, and while has been the best forward in the country over the last three years he was very ordinary between 2001 and 2009 an opinion borne out by the fact he didnt win a single All star untill 2009 - he's 9th year on the Tipp team.

Cheers for the clarification, the stats I was looking up didn't begin until 2004. I knew there was something niggling me about the duration of his career.

I'm fairly new to the game myself but one must wonder about the strength of previous teams. Hurling isn't a one man game and the squad of past is very strong. Surely the good line out was conducive to him winning an AI. Don't know whether Tipperary had a really really good, All-Star winning team prior to the most recent All-Ireland win.

Mountainlad wrote: »

But he didn't start hurling for Tipp in 2004.

Anyway, the stats to me are irrelevent, Corbett has shown over the past 4 seasons his immense quality and he'd be a big loss to any team. It was has tally that got Tipp over the line against Dublin, and when he didn't score in the All-Ireland final, Tipp lost.

I think statistics are relevant. They display how good he is but on the flipside, statistics won't show effort, determination or skill. You get that by watching the game.

premierstone wrote: »

A difference of opinion between Lar and managemnt over what the starting 15 should have been, quite what it had to do with Lar is a mystery to me though.

I heard another rumour that it was over the appointment of Paul Curran and Padraic Maher as captain and co-captain, respectively. Whether there's any truth is unclear.

premierstone · 17-02-2012 2:48pm

ReacherCreature wrote: »

I heard another rumour that it was over the appointment of Paul Curran and Padraic Maher as captain and co-captain, respectively. Whether there's any truth is unclear.

Ah yeah theres going to be an awfull lot of rumours and people with their own agendas, I was told about the team selection thing and the falling out with Tommy Dunne by two seperate players and also a member of the backroom medical staff who I have no reason to doubt as they have lways been right on anythin else they have passed on. I also spoke to a brother of Eamon O'Sheas whho was telling me, and this was prior to the 'retirement' that Eamon had often told him that Lar was incredibly diffficult to manage and you never really knew whick Lar was going to turn up, but that you could tell in the dressing room before a game by he's demeanour whether he was going to have a good day or an off day.

I know it probably sounds like Im been very unfair on Larry, I really dont mean to but there is one thing that really pisses me off in any sport over anything else and that is wasted talent and this guy has talent to burn as he showed in the 2009, 2010 AI's and the 2011 Munster finals, he was literally unmarkable all 3 days, we had KK lads resorting to thrown hurleys at him out of frustration and Waterford were demoralised after 20 mins.

17-02-2012 3:01pm

premierstone wrote: »

I'll agree with you on two things, yes Tommy Dunne is a problem, he's an arrogant know it all who try's to dictate, and obviously i agree that Eoin Kelly is an absolute legend and probably in the top 5 hurlers Tipperary has ever produced.

However I cannot agree with your asessment that Declan Ryan is way out of he's depth considering he had had 12 months in the job and won a munster title with one of the best displays we have ever seen, Lar didnt seem to have any problems with tactics that day, and got us to an AI. Yes there were mistakes made, just like there were in Sheedys first two years and in fact 2 1/2, let us not forget the embarrassment in the Pairc against a mediocre Cork team.

No one has addressed my point about Larrys questionable commitment and attitude and as I have pointed out he has missed more games with he's club that he has played, did feck all between 2001-2009 and at the age of 30 is now in hes second retirement from the game??

And finally I have not made anything up, I have many contacts both within the current Tipperary setup and from the previous one, I am not from Thurles or Toomevara and actually have good time for Lar as a person, and dont appreciate the insinuation or your personal attack, if you want to discuss Tipperary hurling I will do so all day but if you want to resort to petty personal insults you have the wrong man.

While we played very clinical stuff that day we won a Munster title against sitting ducks, face facts and all it did was raise a red flag amongst Dublin and Kilkenny both of whom have tactically very very shrewd men at the helm who would come up with a plan to snuff out our forwards, unlike Davy Fitz.

Ryan looked on completely gormless on the sideline while Shane Mcgrath gave 15 minutes on the field injured in the final. The management just didnt know what to do. A former forward player himself he looked on as his forwards were bunched-up down the middle like a junior team.

Sheedy and Eamon o'shea would be the first to admit where they made mistakes but the difference there is you had faith that everyone was on the same page and that they would be addressed in the future and as sure as hell they were. They created a winning setup for the predecessor who came in and made an unceremonial b*llocks of it.

To lose a close game to Kilkenny there would have been no shame in, but they were so second best it was quite unreal to behold. Communication is non existant amongst the management. Sheedy and O'Shea would constantly communicate on the sideline by whatever means possible but there is barely any if at all any whatsover amongst this management team.

premierstone · 17-02-2012 3:32pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Ryan looked on completely gormless on the sideline while Shane Mcgrath gave 15 minutes on the field injured in the final. The management just didnt know what to do. A former forward player himself he looked on as his forwards were bunched-up down the middle like a junior team.

They created a winning setup for the predecessor who came in and made an unceremonial b*llocks of it.

Did the physio or Shane himself tell any of the managment that he was unable to play on, hindsight is a great thing, and tbh in wasnt in midfeild where we were getting bet.

Tipp were beaten in the AI by 4 points by the widely recognised greatest team of all time asnd its classified as making an unceremonial b*llocks

This is like reading Ger Loughnane or Babs columns

17-02-2012 3:41pm

premierstone wrote: »

Did the physio or Shane himself tell any of the managment that he was unable to play on, hindsight is a great thing, and tbh in wasnt in midfeild where we were getting bet.

Tipp were beaten in the AI by 4 points by the widely recognised greatest team of all time asnd its classified as making an unceremonial b*llocks This is like reading Ger Loughnane or Babs columns

Tipp didnt score for the first 15 minutes of the match and the fact we came within that margin is even more frustrating. Had we played any way decently at all we may have won the game. OK I do accept that Mcgrath should have signalled and the physio needs to be questioned but questions need to be asked as to why things went so wrong and the responsibility lies with the management. They had no plan B whatsoever.

premierstone · 17-02-2012 3:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Tipp didnt score for the first 15 minutes of the match and the fact we came within that margin is even more frustrating. Had we played any way decently at all we may have won the game. OK I do accept that Mcgrath should have signalled and the physio needs to be questioned but questions need to be asked as to why things went so wrong and the responsibility lies with the management. They had no plan B whatsoever.

Ah yeah Im not saying they didnt make mistakes they most certainly did, but I think that was only natural and hopefully they will have learned from it, time will tell. In fairness to then they took on a fairly thankless job, it was a reall lose/lose situation - win the AI and everyone would say sure werent they handed a great team, lose as they did and people start bitching that they havent a clue, tbh their biggest mistake was probably taking the job!

oats 2 · 20-02-2012 8:50pm

premierstone wrote: »

Ah yeah theres going to be an awfull lot of rumours and people with their own agendas, I was told about the team selection thing and the falling out with Tommy Dunne by two seperate players and also a member of the backroom medical staff who I have no reason to doubt as they have lways been right on anythin else they have passed on. I also spoke to a brother of Eamon O'Sheas whho was telling me, and this was prior to the 'retirement' that Eamon had often told him that Lar was incredibly diffficult to manage and you never really knew whick Lar was going to turn up, but that you could tell in the dressing room before a game by he's demeanour whether he was going to have a good day or an off day.

I know it probably sounds like Im been very unfair on Larry, I really dont mean to but there is one thing that really pisses me off in any sport over anything else and that is wasted talent and this guy has talent to burn as he showed in the 2009, 2010 AI's and the 2011 Munster finals, he was literally unmarkable all 3 days, we had KK lads resorting to thrown hurleys at him out of frustration and Waterford were demoralised after 20 mins.

i taught you said he was totally over rated and not half as important as eoin kelly or the likes.now your saying he has talent to burn. your comments in this thread are really sickening.

Mountainlad · 20-02-2012 9:12pm

oats 2 wrote: »

i taught you said he was totally over rated and not half as important as eoin kelly or the likes.now your saying he has talent to burn. your comments in this thread are really sickening.

Think to be fair he didn't question his talent, just his commitment or ego possibly.

premierstone · 21-02-2012 11:07am

oats 2 wrote: »

i taught you said he was totally over rated and not half as important as eoin kelly or the likes.now your saying he has talent to burn. your comments in this thread are really sickening.

I never once questioned he's talent, and I absolutely stand by the statement that he has been nowhere near the player of Eoin Kelly, Lar has been the best forward in the country for the last 3 years, Eoin carried Tipp between 2000 to 2009 and really was a one man forward line after Declan Ryan retired. Lar was on all those teams and contributed very little, why?? Application and attitude are my opinion, if you have a different theory please feel free to put them forward.

And you choose to ignore my comments re Lars abysmal club record or the fact that he doesnt play half their games untill the latter stages and the fact that he actually retired from hurling previously at the age of 16?

Do you genuinely believe that Lar left the panel for bussiness commitment reasons?? Remember he lives and works within 5 minutes of the training field and this year just happens to be the year that Tipp are training harder than they have ever trained. Larry has always been a poor trainer and has openly stated so himself.

22-02-2012 9:18pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Think to be fair he didn't question his talent, just his commitment or ego possibly.

In that case that would be extremely harsh considering the lad has been involved with Tipperary seniors non-stop since he was 19. He owes us absolutely nothing and is a pure legend.

Id agree Kelly has been better overall but Lar made an unbelievable contribution to Tipperary hurling since 2001 and he is such a big game player. Out of the 4 all ireland finals he played in he was magic in three of them. 01 he scored 2 points, 09 he scored 4 points and of course in 2010 we all know what happened then. A pure gentleman with supporters

InchicoreDude · 22-02-2012 11:58pm

Lar has been the best forward in the country for the last 3 years, Eoin carried Tipp between 2000 to 2009 and really was a one man forward line after Declan Ryan retired. Lar was on all those teams and contributed very little, why?? Application and attitude are my opinion, if you have a different theory please feel free to put them forward.

Why do you think he improved in the last 3 years? Was it because he put in more effort training in those years? I am not trying to enter the debate/argument you are having with other posters here, I am genuinely curious as to what you think the reason was.

pvforum · 23-02-2012 2:35am

Bottom line is we are seriously weakened without Lar. I believe that Lar got back from holidays in Oz hooked up with his old buddy Eamonn O'Shea and Liam Sheedy for the charity game in Nenagh and the Ryan, Dunne setup wasn't good enough by comparision.

pvforum · 23-02-2012 2:40am

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Why do you think he improved in the last 3 years? Was it because he put in more effort training in those years? I am not trying to enter the debate/argument you are having with other posters here, I am genuinely curious as to what you think the reason was.

It was the O'Shea factor IMO. The failure to land an A.I. last year has panicked Dunne and Ryan into driving the players around mucky fields like bullocks in the hopes that this will magic an all ireland out fo them.
Sheedy and o'Shea used the heads a bit better and encouraged the players to do likewise.

pvforum · 23-02-2012 2:44am

Deleted User wrote: »

In that case that would be extremely harsh considering the lad has been involved with Tipperary seniors non-stop since he was 19. He owes us absolutely nothing and is a pure legend.

Id agree Kelly has been better overall but Lar made an unbelievable contribution to Tipperary hurling since 2001 and he is such a big game player. Out of the 4 all ireland finals he played in he was magic in three of them. 01 he scored 2 points, 09 he scored 4 points and of course in 2010 we all know what happened then. A pure gentleman with supporters

Lar in rude health and used correctly is an invaluable weapon to Tipperary. Perhaps more lethal now,potentially, than Kelly ever was. As unbelievable as that may sound.

premierstone · 23-02-2012 10:09am

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Why do you think he improved in the last 3 years? Was it because he put in more effort training in those years? I am not trying to enter the debate/argument you are having with other posters here, I am genuinely curious as to what you think the reason was.

Pvforum has hit the nail on the head here, Eamonn O'Shea was the reason, Eamonn is a genius pure and simple, hes has a conbination of hurling and physcology knowledge unrivalled in the game, it is no coincedence that Galway practically hounded the man last autumn in an attempt to land him as their new manager.

premierstone · 23-02-2012 10:16am

pvforum wrote: »

Lar in rude health and used correctly is an invaluable weapon to Tipperary. Perhaps more lethal now,potentially, than Kelly ever was. As unbelievable as that may sound.

Agree with everything you have said apart from this, come on Eoin Kelly is among the top 4 or 5 hurlers Tipperary has ever produced, pure genius, he is starting to fade now due to 12 years at the top and carrying a team for the majority of those but dont let that in anyway diminish what he contributed to Tipp hurling, despite Bab's best efforts!

I have only missed one championship match since 1986 and himself and Nicky English are without doubt the two best players I have seen in blue and gold in that 25 years, and Eoin didnt sullk when he was droped by Bab's and training was a joke he just put he's head down and ploughed on, and he's legacy will far outlive that of Bab's.

User Friendly · 24-02-2012 10:19pm

premierstone wrote: »

I have only missed one championship match since 1986 and himself and Nicky English are without doubt the two best players I have seen in blue and gold in that 25 years

A true Gael! fair play to you for your support,it begs the question,what was the game you missed and why?:D
I guess its all about opinions,but us Clare men would rate a different mulinahone man better than kelly;) just an opinion of course.

25-02-2012 2:43am

InchicoreDude wrote: »

Why do you think he improved in the last 3 years? Was it because he put in more effort training in those years? I am not trying to enter the debate/argument you are having with other posters here, I am genuinely curious as to what you think the reason was.

I think the psychology was a huge factor + Eamon O'Shea is a total genius. The man has a plan A, B and probably also a C.. Ryan and Dunne only have a plan A. When that fails....we're stumped. Sheedy probably wasnt the brains of the operation (not to say he isnt a smart guy) but he was excellent to motivate, and knew the expertise required like O'Shea and Cian O'Neill.

25-02-2012 2:47am

premierstone wrote: »

Agree with everything you have said apart from this, come on Eoin Kelly is among the top 4 or 5 hurlers Tipperary has ever produced, pure genius, he is starting to fade now due to 12 years at the top and carrying a team for the majority of those but dont let that in anyway diminish what he contributed to Tipp hurling, despite Bab's best efforts!

I have only missed one championship match since 1986 and himself and Nicky English are without doubt the two best players I have seen in blue and gold in that 25 years, and Eoin didnt sullk when he was droped by Bab's and training was a joke he just put he's head down and ploughed on, and he's legacy will far outlive that of Bab's.

To be fair Eoin was dropped for the last two games of Babs reign and he knew as much as anyone that Babs is an egomaniac and a total joke.

Hence his speech, "When Liam, Eamon and Michael came in, this ship was sinking....but by god today, this ship is well and throughly sailing"