Lar Corbett Retires

phkk

Great to see hurler of Lar's class back

nkay1985

I don't think anyone is surprised by this but it is good to have him back hurling. He's too much of a loss to the sport, even if his return will be more than likely to Waterford's detriment at some point!

MrJoeSoap

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

How is his bar doing?

Was in it last week before the Cork v Kilkenny game and it was wedged. Everyone was looking for a chat with him, and in fairness to him he was doing the rounds and giving everyone a bit of his time. Maybe that got to him, I don't know, I'm sure plenty of people would have been encouraging him to come back.

Felexicon

Delighted to see him back.

StephenHendry

not surprised when i heard this last night, good to see him back anyway. i'd be happy for lar to be rested for every league campaign for the next few years

premierstone

Mountainlad wrote: »

Is Eamon O'Shea back and Tommy Dunne gone?

Bonner Maher and Hennessey are back as well.

No lots of rumours that Tommy was leaving but nothing to back it up, both Bonner and Hennessy saw action at the weekend, not sure about Bonner wasn't at that game, Hennessy came on for final 10 mins, still not anywhere near right and seemed to be carrying the leg abit after the game, he has been advised not to go near a field untill at least July but cant keep the fecker away from it.

StephenHendry

premierstone wrote: »

No lots of rumours that Tommy was leaving but nothing to back it up, both Bonner and Hennessy saw action at the weekend, not sure about Bonner wasn't at that game, Hennessy came on for final 10 mins, still not anywhere near right and seemed to be carrying the leg abit after the game, he has been advised not to go near a field untill at least July but cant keep the fecker away from it.

the rumour was that lar and tommy dunne had a bust up at the start of the year but nobody has any real proof, all hearsay tbh. :rolleyes:

premierstone

StephenHendry wrote: »

the rumour was that lar and tommy dunne had a bust up at the start of the year but nobody has any real proof, all hearsay tbh. :rolleyes:

It allegedly goes back as far as last September but again like you say all heresay, although I must admit I was in both of their company on the night in question and there was quite clearly tension I just put it down to what had happened that day though.

Anyways onwards and upwards, Tiobraid Arann abu!!

Felexicon

premierstone wrote: »

It allegedly goes back as far as last September but again like you say all heresay, although I must admit I was in both of their company on the night in question and there was quite clearly tension I just put it down to what had happened that day though.

Anyways onwards and upwards, Tiobraid Arann abu!!

Think your better than us because you know some inter county players?

Fireball07

Felexicon wrote: »

Think your better than us because you know some inter county players?

:rolleyes:

Felexicon

Fireball07 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

It's meant as a joke. Chill out brother not everything on the internets is serious you know :rolleyes:

Fireball07

Felexicon wrote: »

It's meant as a joke. Chill out brother not everything on the internets is serious you know :rolleyes:

I'm sorry. I mixed it up with my situation...

You see I know intercounty players and I do think I'm better than everyone (although it is unrelated to the fact I know them)

premierstone

Felexicon wrote: »

Think your better than us because you know some inter county players?

Absolutely, in fact I know I am, also not been from Meath helps in this regard

Felexicon

premierstone wrote: »

Absolutely, in fact I know I am, also not been from Meath helps in this regard

Damn!!!!!!!!!!! Being from Meath is kryptonite in any hurling discussion.
You win again Premierstone, but mark my words. You'll be sorry

Felexicon

Fireball07 wrote: »

I'm sorry. I mixed it up with my situation...

You see I know intercounty players and I do think I'm better than everyone (although it is unrelated to the fact I know them)

Now this I can relate to, althought I would replace think with know

buyer95

" Bump " Should have stayed retired

MrJoeSoap

buyer95 wrote: »

" Bump " Should have stayed retired

Bit harsh. Everyone is going on about Lar as though he did this all on his own. It was clearly a tactic imposed upon him by management, which he carried out exactly as they wanted. It worked in the first half, to an extent, and as ridiculous as it was to watch from the stands (and probably on TV) Tipp went in a point up at the break. The second half was obviously a different story, but you can't put all the blame on Lar for what happened. Ryan has to shoulder at least 50% of the blame, if not more.

buyer95

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

Bit harsh. Everyone is going on about Lar as though he did this all on his own. It was clearly a tactic imposed upon him by management, which he carried out exactly as they wanted. It worked in the first half, to an extent, and as ridiculous as it was to watch from the stands (and probably on TV) Tipp went in a point up at the break. The second half was obviously a different story, but you can't put all the blame on Lar for what happened. Ryan has to shoulder at least 50% of the blame, if not more.

The point is some of Lar's behaviour on the field yesterday was simply disgraceful. Jumping for joy when Tommy Walsh got booked was petty but his article in the indo the following day chastisizing the Kilkenny boys for some of the treatment he got was just petulant. Rumours have been abundant of some Tipp senior players and their nightlife travails throughout the season, and ofcourse Ryan has to take blame for not acting on this but Lar yesterday, under instruction our not was woeful. For a player who only 2 years ago was hurler of the year to play as he did yesterday(making no impact on the game) is simply baffling. I have enjoyed watching Lar hurl in the past immensely , but yesterday he didnt hurl, he tried to get Walsh sent off, run around in circles, and after the game didnt even have the decency to shake the Kilkenny boys hand...

I have lost a lot of respect for the man

ANXIOUS

Lar Corbett, was a great player. If he got his head right he could still be one. Let's not forget he has only scored one point in a year in championship.

LeoB

I for one even as a Dub who might pay the price but I hope he stays at it as I believe he has 3 or 4 good years left in him.

We need to factor in a few things the referee and his officials and Declan Ryan and his team for what went on yesterday. Had the ref booked Lar or Burke early on they would have been forced to change tactics. Had the Tip sideline changed things Lar could have had a huge impact in second half.

Most sports people are disapointed with what went on. People wanted to see Lar and Tommy go head to head, in fact people wanted battles all over the field they did not want what we got.

Yes Lar played his part in the mess but I would not like him to retire now with this hanging over him and it will. He wont be let forget and the only thing he can do is go out and Hurl for Tipp and show people what he good at. There is plenty left in him and his own people need to support him now both as a person and a player more than ever.

KM88

LeoB wrote: »

Yes Lar played his part in the mess but I would not like him to retire now with this hanging over him
...
the only thing he can do is go out and Hurl for Tipp and show people what he good at. There is plenty left in him.

Hear, hear!

He is such a great player, it would be a shame for him to be remembered for last Sunday. He should stay and should make it clear that he will play hurling next season, not mind-games.

If his manager, whoever that might be, doesn't agree now is the time to sort it out - not next August or Sept.

MrJoeSoap

KM88 wrote: »

Hear, hear!

He is such a great player, it would be a shame for him to be remembered for last Sunday. He should stay and should make it clear that he will play hurling next season, not mind-games.

If his manager, whoever that might be, doesn't agree now is the time to sort it out - not next August or Sept.

Regardless of what happens in the future, he'll be remember for scoring a hat-trick in an All-Ireland final, and four goals in the following Munster final, not for last Sunday.

tipptom

Think it was really emphasized when he went mental when the yellow came out,I think this stupid pumping the chest and veins popping out when a free is won(a la John Mullane) is really something that should be cut out by managers.
I think Declan Ryan should be held more responsile for sundays debacle but Lar is taking the brunt of it and what a fellow player from the might that is the Offaly football at the moment team tweeted after the game is disgraceful.

wicklowwonder

tipptom wrote: »

Think it was really emphasized when he went mental when the yellow came out,I think this stupid pumping the chest and veins popping out when a free is won(a la John Mullane) is really something that should be cut out by managers.
I think Declan Ryan should be held more responsile for sundays debacle but Lar is taking the brunt of it and what a fellow player from the might that is the Offaly football at the moment team tweeted after the game is disgraceful.

Not defending the behaviour but Henry Shefflin definitely and a few other Kilkenny players in the first half did the fist pumping thing. They were never the player that won the free though. Shefflin did his dance just in front of us, tge free was win by tge backs. I was very surprised but this went on with both teams for about the first 20 minutes. Silly behaviour really, also I think Lar was celebrating the free not the card as Walsh had battered him off the ball first time Corbett tried to mark him which went totally unticked.

One question though when was the last time a GAA player got sent off in the first 5/10 minutes of a big game? Ciaran Whelan always threw a big punch or two on his man early in a game, sometimes in the opening throw in and rarely saw yellow not to mind red in the first 5/10 minutes. The ref Sunday should have booked a player from each team when the initial row broke out 30 seconds into the game, laid down a marker.

bruschi

wicklowwonder wrote: »

Not defending the behaviour but Henry Shefflin definitely and a few other Kilkenny players in the first half did the fist pumping thing. They were never the player that won the free though. Shefflin did his dance just in front of us, tge free was win by tge backs. I was very surprised but this went on with both teams for about the first 20 minutes. Silly behaviour really, also I think Lar was celebrating the free not the card as Walsh had battered him off the ball first time Corbett tried to mark him which went totally unticked.

One question though when was the last time a GAA player got sent off in the first 5/10 minutes of a big game? Ciaran Whelan always threw a big punch or two on his man early in a game, sometimes in the opening throw in and rarely saw yellow not to mind red in the first 5/10 minutes. The ref Sunday should have booked a player from each team when the initial row broke out 30 seconds into the game, laid down a marker.

not a big game, but a player in Wexford was sent off last week before the ball was thrown in in their championship game. headbutted his opponent and got a straight red before any action had started.

wicklowwonder

bruschi wrote: »

not a big game, but a player in Wexford was sent off last week before the ball was thrown in in their championship game. headbutted his opponent and got a straight red before any action had started.

That is disgraceful behaviour, but I meant on games shown on TV for example or anywhere from Provincial semi-final to All-Ireland Final even.The last one I remember was Liam McHale and Colm Coyle in 1996, that is 16 years ago, I am sure there are examples since, but the ref should cut down on these cynical fouls by booking early.

Roger Sterling

I blame this entire mess on Ryan and his selectors for their Juinior B style tactics. Did they not watch the AI Final of 2008 when normally decent Waterford players were sent out to give the KK lads a boit of timber and aggro before the game? And how did KK respond? Annihilation.

Fast forward four years and Ryan tries the same thing with the exact same result - annihilation.

Stupid, stupid, stupid - and it saddens me to see Corbett taking the flak for only following orders.

Mountainlad

tipptom wrote: »

Think it was really emphasized when he went mental when the yellow came out,I think this stupid pumping the chest and veins popping out when a free is won(a la John Mullane) is really something that should be cut out by managers.
I think Declan Ryan should be held more responsile for sundays debacle but Lar is taking the brunt of it and what a fellow player from the might that is the Offaly football at the moment team tweeted after the game is disgraceful.

Yeah, yeah that's his problem. Some great insight there :rolleyes:

MrJoeSoap

Mountainlad wrote: »

Yeah, yeah that's his problem. Some great insight there :rolleyes:

I've given up on responding to criticism of John Mullane, both on here and elsewhere. The guy has nothing to prove to anyone, absolute legend of the sport.

tipptom

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

I've given up on responding to criticism of John Mullane, both on here and elsewhere. The guy has nothing to prove to anyone, absolute legend of the sport.

I did not comment on his hurling skills or if he has anything to prove or not but his carry on in every match bouncing up and down and screaming like an idiot when all that is won is a free is cringeworthy to say the least and he has attracted many other players to ape this silly behaviour,next thing he will bring another aspect of the premier league and start kissing the badge,oh wait...

tipptom

Mountainlad wrote: »

Yeah, yeah that's his problem. Some great insight there :rolleyes:

DDC1990

Im going to play the devils advocate here, and suggest that the tactic might have been the right one to go with.

Obviously, being from Kerry, my knowledge of hurling tactics wouldn't be terrific, but from what I've seen of Lar this year, he's not, as many media outlets suggest, "Tipperary's main scoring threat". He is a guy that attracts a lot of attention, and so was the perfect candidate for the tactic to nullify Tommy Walsh. If they put one of the lesser known lads on him, Tommy would just marked him, but Jackie Tyrell was assigned to mark Lar wherever he went so you were taking 2 men out of the game.

Everyone knows Tommy Walsh's value to Killkenny, through his defence and his setting up of scores for the forwards. By taking him out of the game, Tipperary killed a significant part of Killkenny's pre game tactics, i'd imagine. It worked for 35 minutes. Tipperary were leading at half time.

The problem was Declan Ryan didn't change the tactic, whn it was clear they needed to. They also played Bonner Maher inside at FF, when he was needed at Center Forward on Brian Hogan (who was having a stormer).

John O'Brien wasn't in the game that much and he could have been given the tactic of crowding Tommy Walsh out, and keeping him quiet, leaving Lar inside as a scoring threat.

I don't know, its all very well saying it was a terrible tactic when the game is over. I don't think the tactic itself was a bad idea, I just think it wasn't changed when it needed to be, and other positional switches could have been made to make the forward line play a bit more fluid.

It wouldn't have mattered what way they played if im honest. Killkenny came out possessed in the second half, and would have torn any team asunder.

ReacherCreature

The tactic wasn't right. We played with 14 men for pretty much the entirety of the game.

And Jesus, some people love exaggerating and hopping on the bandwagon of hate. The man is terrific. Give him the upcoming training, the league and championship at 14/15 and we'll see how he is.

Mountainlad

tipptom wrote: »

I did not comment on his hurling skills or if he has anything to prove or not but his carry on in every match bouncing up and down and screaming like an idiot when all that is won is a free is cringeworthy to say the least and he has attracted many other players to ape this silly behaviour,next thing he will bring another aspect of the premier league and start kissing the badge,oh wait...

And when has this ever affected Mullane's play negatively? Never. And how so is it a valid reason for why Corbett would have a bad game? It's not.

And why did you specifically mention John Mullane when plenty of other players fist pumpt and celebrate things like frees? Because you're trying to get a rise/have a personal dislike for Mullane.

You know somebody has an alterior motive when their posts in a thread about one person completely divert to their problems with soembody else that has no relevance to the debate in the thread or player about which the thread is based.

Mountainlad

DDC1990 wrote: »

Im going to play the devils advocate here, and suggest that the tactic might have been the right one to go with.

Obviously, being from Kerry, my knowledge of hurling tactics wouldn't be terrific, but from what I've seen of Lar this year, he's not, as many media outlets suggest, "Tipperary's main scoring threat". He is a guy that attracts a lot of attention, and so was the perfect candidate for the tactic to nullify Tommy Walsh. If they put one of the lesser known lads on him, Tommy would just marked him, but Jackie Tyrell was assigned to mark Lar wherever he went so you were taking 2 men out of the game.

Everyone knows Tommy Walsh's value to Killkenny, through his defence and his setting up of scores for the forwards. By taking him out of the game, Tipperary killed a significant part of Killkenny's pre game tactics, i'd imagine. It worked for 35 minutes. Tipperary were leading at half time.

The problem was Declan Ryan didn't change the tactic, whn it was clear they needed to. They also played Bonner Maher inside at FF, when he was needed at Center Forward on Brian Hogan (who was having a stormer).

John O'Brien wasn't in the game that much and he could have been given the tactic of crowding Tommy Walsh out, and keeping him quiet, leaving Lar inside as a scoring threat.

I don't know, its all very well saying it was a terrible tactic when the game is over. I don't think the tactic itself was a bad idea, I just think it wasn't changed when it needed to be, and other positional switches could have been made to make the forward line play a bit more fluid.

It wouldn't have mattered what way they played if im honest. Killkenny came out possessed in the second half, and would have torn any team asunder.

Bonner Maher should have been on Tommy Walsh, just like the last two years. Worked to great success two years ago, didn't work quite as well last year but given Maher's form has been suprerior to Walsh's this year I'd have tried it again.

I'd have had Noel McGrath center forward on Hogan because Hogan sits deep, and McGrath is excellent at finding space and picking off points and it would have given Kilkenny something to think about. Corbett would have been full forward for me. I know Kilkenny play Hogan deep, but there's still more scope for movement at full forward than when you're confined to the corner. And it's what Sheedy did to Waterford in 2010, and we didn't know what to do.

I think Kilkenny would have won because they're a better team, but Tipp needed Corbett as their main scoring threat. They have a massive dependance on him, and using him as a utility forward trying to stop one of their players getting into the game is insanity, and shows a real cluelessness from Ryan about understanding what his team is capable of.

bruschi

DDC1990 wrote: »

Im going to play the devils advocate here, and suggest that the tactic might have been the right one to go with.

Obviously, being from Kerry, my knowledge of hurling tactics wouldn't be terrific, but from what I've seen of Lar this year, he's not, as many media outlets suggest, "Tipperary's main scoring threat". He is a guy that attracts a lot of attention, and so was the perfect candidate for the tactic to nullify Tommy Walsh. If they put one of the lesser known lads on him, Tommy would just marked him, but Jackie Tyrell was assigned to mark Lar wherever he went so you were taking 2 men out of the game.

Everyone knows Tommy Walsh's value to Killkenny, through his defence and his setting up of scores for the forwards. By taking him out of the game, Tipperary killed a significant part of Killkenny's pre game tactics, i'd imagine. It worked for 35 minutes. Tipperary were leading at half time.

The problem was Declan Ryan didn't change the tactic, whn it was clear they needed to. They also played Bonner Maher inside at FF, when he was needed at Center Forward on Brian Hogan (who was having a stormer).

John O'Brien wasn't in the game that much and he could have been given the tactic of crowding Tommy Walsh out, and keeping him quiet, leaving Lar inside as a scoring threat.

I don't know, its all very well saying it was a terrible tactic when the game is over. I don't think the tactic itself was a bad idea, I just think it wasn't changed when it needed to be, and other positional switches could have been made to make the forward line play a bit more fluid.

It wouldn't have mattered what way they played if im honest. Killkenny came out possessed in the second half, and would have torn any team asunder.

taking 2 defenders out of the game is not going to win. If they had a plan to take 2 attackers out, and maybe isolate their own attackers, then yes, maybe. but hindisght or not, it was an absolutley ridiculous plan that did not in any shape work out. Corbett should have went off away from the cluster of them and isolate Tyrell, try beat him one on one. He is more than capable of that, as he showed when he did it to Noel Hickey in the final when he got a hat trick. But to take your most proven goalscorer to do a defending job on a defender? no, an awful, awful tactic. the only way Walsh would get on the ball is if Tipp hit it from their defence to him, they had other options of keeping him out of the game instead of nulifying Corbett at the same time.

Badabing

bruschi wrote: »

taking 2 defenders out of the game is not going to win. If they had a plan to take 2 attackers out, and maybe isolate their own attackers, then yes, maybe. but hindisght or not, it was an absolutley ridiculous plan that did not in any shape work out. Corbett should have went off away from the cluster of them and isolate Tyrell, try beat him one on one. He is more than capable of that, as he showed when he did it to Noel Hickey in the final when he got a hat trick. But to take your most proven goalscorer to do a defending job on a defender? no, an awful, awful tactic. the only way Walsh would get on the ball is if Tipp hit it from their defence to him, they had other options of keeping him out of the game instead of nulifying Corbett at the same time.

So then Tipps tactic was to get Tommy sent off by annoying him? He was majestic in first half of last years all Ire final because they were pumping balls into his corner.

Mountainlad

Corbett wasn't trying to get Walsh sent off.

tipptom

Mountainlad wrote: »

And when has this ever affected Mullane's play negatively? Never. And how so is it a valid reason for why Corbett would have a bad game? It's not.

And why did you specifically mention John Mullane when plenty of other players fist pumpt and celebrate things like frees? Because you're trying to get a rise/have a personal dislike for Mullane.

You know somebody has an alterior motive when their posts in a thread about one person completely divert to their problems with soembody else that has no relevance to the debate in the thread or player about which the thread is based.

What are you on about,who said anything about this affecting anybodys game,either Lar Corbett or John Mullane,if you try and read the posts instead of foaming from the mouth when you see John Mullanes name being mentioned,what I said was lar copped more flack for his marking role because of the fist pumping stuff for a free and he is taking a lot more sh*t on his shoulders for this than he should be.As for John Mullane I think he is one of the finest hurlers of his generation and cannot comment on him personally as i dont know him.I simply singled him out for the fist pumping as he is king of the fist pumpers in hurling today,so i dont have an ULterior motive and i dont need to hear instructions from you as to who can be mentioned in threads and who cant.

Mountainlad

tipptom wrote: »

What are you on about,who said anything about this affecting anybodys game,either Lar Corbett or John Mullane,if you try and read the posts instead of foaming from the mouth when you see John Mullanes name being mentioned,what I said was lar copped more flack for his marking role because of the fist pumping stuff for a free and he is taking a lot more sh*t on his shoulders for this than he should be.As for John Mullane I think he is one of the finest hurlers of his generation and cannot comment on him personally as i dont know him.I simply singled him out for the fist pumping as he is king of the fist pumpers in hurling today,so i dont have an ULterior motive and i dont need to hear instructions from you as to who can be mentioned in threads and who cant.

Right, so you think that because Corbett goaded Tommy Walsh when he got a yellow that people have turned on him? Don't agree.

Lar has the star reputation, and because he was comically following around Tommy Walsh he is getting abuse. I agree, it's on Ryan that the responsibility should fall, but some people would think that a player of his intelligence and potence would have taken on the responsibility and abandoned the plan. If he had done that, however, he would have been taken off so he had little choice.

The only people annoyed about Corbett's reaction to Walsh getting a yellow (which I didn't actually see) are Kilkenny people.

Thing is though, there is a difference between rubbing it in a players face when they get a yellow and trying to gee up the crowd and your team when you win a free. You also insinuate that Mullane has introduced and inspired fist pumping which just isn't true. Finally, it would be a very boring game indeed if the players ran around like robots with no emotion.

phkk

Mountainlad wrote: »

Corbett wasn't trying to get Walsh sent off.

I actually think he was! He was hoping Tommy would pick up another yellow and so followed him around for the day.
He spent his time mouthing at him and even digging him, jostling, shoving, pushing etc. It was so out of character for Lar- he's too good to resort to this behaviour and I think this is what's brought about the wrath of KK supporters. Before anyone says it, Tommy is well able to look after himself and wasn't 100% innocent in the debacle but at least he was concentrating on trying to hurl.

beeroclock

Mountainlad wrote: »

Corbett wasn't trying to get Walsh sent off.

Ya he was busy knocking over points, setting up goals and the like instead;);)

Class player but I have no idea what he was up to last Sunday

adrian522

phkk wrote: »

I actually think he was! He was hoping Tommy would pick up another yellow and so followed him around for the day.
He spent his time mouthing at him and even digging him, jostling, shoving, pushing etc. It was so out of character for Lar- he's too good to resort to this behaviour and I think this is what's brought about the wrath of KK supporters. Before anyone says it, Tommy is well able to look after himself and wasn't 100% innocent in the debacle but at least he was concentrating on trying to hurl.

He 100% was trying to get him sent off and the celebration after the yellow card was pretty stupid in my opinion. He wasn't trying to engage the crowd he was trying to get under Walsh's skin and get a further reaction.

Walsh did the right thing by ignoring him.

He spent the whole day throwing digs into Walsh and shouldering him off the ball trying to get a reaction. To me the whole point of this "tactic" was to get Walsh sent off and I'm delighted it didn't work.

Maybe if the yellow card hadn't come so soon they would have abandoned what they were trying to do.

Whatever the plan was it was pretty idiotic. Like something Davy Fitz would have dreamt up.

bruschi

Mountainlad wrote: »

Right, so you think that because Corbett goaded Tommy Walsh when he got a yellow that people have turned on him? Don't agree.

Lar has the star reputation, and because he was comically following around Tommy Walsh he is getting abuse. I agree, it's on Ryan that the responsibility should fall, but some people would think that a player of his intelligence and potence would have taken on the responsibility and abandoned the plan. If he had done that, however, he would have been taken off so he had little choice.

The only people annoyed about Corbett's reaction to Walsh getting a yellow (which I didn't actually see) are Kilkenny people.

Thing is though, there is a difference between rubbing it in a players face when they get a yellow and trying to gee up the crowd and your team when you win a free. You also insinuate that Mullane has introduced and inspired fist pumping which just isn't true. Finally, it would be a very boring game indeed if the players ran around like robots with no emotion.

Just so you can see it.




I thought it was particularly pathetic to be honest. I'd prefer players being robots if it meant it stopped that crap of jumping and fist pumping because you got your opponent a yellow card.

premierstone

Just two things to add here, firstly on the fist pumping, I've never seen Lar doing it before and it is very fcuking annoying, but there is one Tipp player who does it continually namely Shane McGrath.

Secondly for those who are suggesting that Tommy Walsh was great for ignoring Lar and not retaliating etc., He struck both Lar and Pa before the ball was thrown in down in front of the Hill, what was he booked for then?? And how did Lar ten muinutes after the yellow card end up with blood streaming from under he's left eye?

Quite simply that game should have finshed with probably 13v14 and Cathal McCallistar whould never be let referee another game of that magnitude again, he's performance was almost as bad as the Tipp managements...... almost I said!!

bruschi

premierstone wrote: »

Just two things to add here, firstly on the fist pumping, I've never seen Lar doing it before and it is very fcuking annoying, but there is one Tipp player who does it continually namely Shane McGrath.

Secondly for those who are suggesting that Tommy Walsh was great for ignoring Lar and not retaliating etc., He struck both Lar and Pa before the ball was thrown in down in front of the Hill, what was he booked for then?? And how did Lar ten muinutes after the yellow card end up with blood streaming from under he's left eye?

Quite simply that game should have finshed with probably 13v14 and Cathal McCallistar whould never be let referee another game of that magnitude again, he's performance was almost as bad as the Tipp managements...... almost I said!!

that was Tyrell. and from the view on TV it was hard to see how it actually happened. Lar was beside him and turned to go away, and Tyrell kinda threw his hand back and must have knicked him on the cheek somehow, but it was far from blood streaming down his face (his right eye too to be pedantic), sure he didnt even have to go off for attention. So I'm not sure how you are advocating Walsh should have got a red from that. Walsh may have hit them alright, and he did what Tipp wanted him to do, but he kept his cool for the rest of the game, which is not something I expected him to do.

Mountainlad

bruschi wrote: »

that was Tyrell. and from the view on TV it was hard to see how it actually happened. Lar was beside him and turned to go away, and Tyrell kinda threw his hand back and must have knicked him on the cheek somehow, but it was far from blood streaming down his face (his right eye too to be pedantic), sure he didnt even have to go off for attention. So I'm not sure how you are advocating Walsh should have got a red from that. Walsh may have hit them alright, and he did what Tipp wanted him to do, but he kept his cool for the rest of the game, which is not something I expected him to do.

He got his faceguard and it it knicked Corbett. It was indeed Tyrell. The Tipp lads are getting a lot of heat for the off the ball shenanigans, but Kilkenny gave as good as they got. All I've seen from footage of Lar is that he followed Tommy Walsh around, I duno how that's trying to get someone sent off. The only thing I've seen from the start of an incident is when Lar came back on after half time and straight away Tyrell was out to meet him with a shoulder.

It's hard to say who started what from watching it on t.v. but like I heard that Walsh hit them off the ball before the ball was thrown in and to be honest if he did, he was only asking for it.

premierstone

bruschi wrote: »

that was Tyrell. and from the view on TV it was hard to see how it actually happened. Lar was beside him and turned to go away, and Tyrell kinda threw his hand back and must have knicked him on the cheek somehow, but it was far from blood streaming down his face (his right eye too to be pedantic), sure he didnt even have to go off for attention. So I'm not sure how you are advocating Walsh should have got a red from that. Walsh may have hit them alright, and he did what Tipp wanted him to do, but he kept his cool for the rest of the game, which is not something I expected him to do.

My apologies to Tomy, I assumed it was him, I haven't had the heart to watch it again and it was hard to tell at the game with the 4 of em playing fcuking hide and seek with each other :rolleyes:

Was sure it was he's left eye, I actually had a pint with him Sunday night, maybe I was drunker and crosser than I thought, or now that I think about it he was facing me so he's right would be my left etc.

Wasn't advocating a red for that incident at all, just highlighting that I found all the talk of how great Tommy was not to react a little galling and hard to swallow.

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Mountainlad wrote: »

It's hard to say who started what from watching it on t.v. but like I heard that Walsh hit them off the ball before the ball was thrown in and to be honest if he did, he was only asking for it.

He 100% did, but shur Tipp have no one to blame only themselves, it should have been either Buggy or Bonner Maher out on Tommy and I doubt he would have tried that **** with either of them two.

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Mountainlad wrote: »

He got his faceguard and it it knicked Corbett. It was indeed Tyrell. The Tipp lads are getting a lot of heat for the off the ball shenanigans, but Kilkenny gave as good as they got. All I've seen from footage of Lar is that he followed Tommy Walsh around, I duno how that's trying to get someone sent off. The only thing I've seen from the start of an incident is when Lar came back on after half time and straight away Tyrell was out to meet him with a shoulder.

It's hard to say who started what from watching it on t.v. but like I heard that Walsh hit them off the ball before the ball was thrown in and to be honest if he did, he was only asking for it.

Some people seem to have the impression that Lar simply followed Tommy around for the game in order to ensure that he was marked by Tommy and the stick he is getting is unfair, but there was a lot more to it than that.

Lar constantly got himself between Tommy and Pa Bourke and initiated an exchange of shoulders and digs when Tommy was simply taking up position beside Bourke. As mentioned already he was in Tommy's ear for the whole game too, mouthing.

As Lar said himself "We believed in the system and it was working for us. I suppose you had Tommy (Walsh) on a yellow card. By the time we finished up Jackie (Tyrrell) was on a yellow and I was on a yellow" From Corbett says tactic worked - up to half-time

The first thing Lar did when he was met by Tyrrell before throw in was pull across him, and he also hit Paul Murphy. Now Tyrrell (and Tommy) is well able to dish it out himself and did so, so I'm in no way saying this was one way traffic, however this behaviour was very surprising from Lar and not like him at all.

Since he is such a high profile player that seems to be much admired around the country by neutral fans, it has lead to him receiving an unusually high amount of stick, that and due to his behaviour lead to a farcical side show never seen before in hurling