Love Ulster march Part II - Easter Sunday

keano_afc

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

and why does it have to be on easter sunday? couls it not be on a cold wet tuesday night at the end of the month

i would love to hear what frazer has to say about the catholic victims in the north

He has gone on record saying that he didnt believe loyalist paramilitaries should have been locked up in the first place. Which says it all really. He didnt believe the findings of the enquiry into Bloody Sunday, and doesnt believe that there was ever collusion between the security forces and Loyalist death squads. He's a deluded fantasist.

SEPT 23 1989

Morlar wrote: »

What you think does matter when you express your opinion.

It's a simple question :

Do you think Irish Republicans should expect to March to Londons Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday unmolested ?

Republicans dont march to Cenotaph's

they bomb them murdering innocent people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day_bombing

Morlar

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Republicans dont march to Cenotaph's

they bomb them murdering innocent people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day_bombing

Likewise Loyalists Bomb Dublin & Monaghan civilians with British Security services assistance too :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_and_Monaghan_bombings

Still not answering the question there Keithie.

KeithAFC

Fuhrer wrote: »

And march to the cenotaph on rememberance sunday?

Why not? Sure it would be fine.

Morlar

KeithAFC wrote: »

Why not? Sure it would be fine.

You would support the right of Irish Republicans to march to the cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday ? You'e a liar.

super_furry

KeithAFC wrote: »

Why not? Sure it would be fine.

I refer to my earlier post.

44leto

I can see this march been very counterproductive, people will not love ulster after it.

Personally I couldn't give a tuppeny fkuc who marches in Dublin.

AEDIC

Morlar wrote: »

You would support the right of Irish Republicans to march to the cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday ? You'e a liar.

:eek:

KeithAFC

super_furry wrote: »

I refer to my earlier post.

Perhaps I just would not care. I honestly don't see the big deal. If Republicans do it, then it should be fine.

stovelid

There's going to be more unpleasant polyester sportswear in town that day that the last two Olympics combined.

John Doe1

Haha this will be some craic if it goes ahead. I think my fellow ulstermen may want change the date though so as to not to be complete trolls:D

stovelid

Personally I'd like to see the Frazer and rest of the bigoted cunts get permission to march and everybody ignore them. That would probably pretty much put paid to them doing it again because they just want to provoke a reaction.

As it stands, it should be banned as the potential for public disorder is too great - as tempting as it is to enjoy the sight of the Gardai bouncing batons off the heads of our beloved Celtic brethren.

ItsAWindUp

The last time didn't they have banners, including some depicting pictures of one of the Dublin bombers? No wonder they were attacked!

super_furry

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

The last time didn't they have banners, including some depicting pictures of one of the Dublin bombers? No wonder they were attacked!

Do you honestly think that knackers that "attacked them" - read smashed up O'Connell Street and looted Champion Sports knew that? They never got close enough to them and even if they did, they most likely wouldn't have been able to read them anyway.

luckyfrank

Big deal let them march, who really cares anyone can see they are looking for a reaction,i hope they are allowed march and nobody bats an eye-lid to it

bwatson

Morlar wrote: »

Answer the question keith.

Do you think Irish Republicans should expect to March to Londons Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday unmolested ?

Do you really think there is much similarity between the two? Its not as if the British are asking for the Irish republic to rejoin them in one country. The British aren't people who want to see all of Ireland back in the UK, and as such have no reason to display such levels of tolerance to a group who are vastly different to them.

Aren't you one of the people who strives to bring about a united Ireland, who says that all people born in Ireland, be it the North or the Republic, are Irish?

What would be your intention should we actually see a united Ireland? Do you want to see unionists simply removed from the island or do you want to see integration?

gigino

kfallon wrote: »

Why does there have to be a parade in Dublin?

read the OP.

"Willie Frazer, head of IRA victims' group FAIR, said the rally was to highlight the Irish state's "collusion" with the IRA during the Troubles.

FAIR has compiled "a damning catalogue of evidence" showing the Southern authorities either actively colluding with the Provos or turning a blind eye to their activities, Frazer claimed.

"We've repeatedly asked for a meeting with Enda Kenny to discuss this matter. The Taoiseach hasn't even graced us with a reply.

"He won't meet us so we're bringing our case to him on the streets of Dublin," the IRA victims' campaigner said.

He accused the Irish government of hypocrisy for supporting an independent public inquiry into solicitor Pat Finucane's murder while "ignoring collusion in its own back yard".

Evidence at the Smithwick tribunal that rogue gardai helped the IRA was "only the tip of the iceberg", Frazer said.

He agreed that holding the march on Easter Saturday would be seen as deliberately provocative but said it was a desperate move because nobody listened to Protestant victims.

"The only way to get an audience in this country is to kill people or do something controversial – and we're not prepared to kill people. Staying quiet and being good boys and girls doesn't work," he added.

Love Ulster's last attempt to parade in February 2006 had to be abandoned as the rioting erupted and loyalist demonstrators were bussed to the Border with a gardai escort for protection.

Frazer said IRA victims couldn't be held responsible if there was serious violence again.

"We're not setting out to cause trouble. If republicans react violently to our democratic right to march, that's their business," he added.

Frazer said FAIR's dossier on alleged Irish state collusion with the IRA showed that the IRA was given 400 weapons from an army barracks in Dublin in 1970.

He said it also included evidence that the Southern state funded the Provos at the start of the troubles and set up training camps for them.

He claimed the Republic had been "a safe haven for terrorists" throughout the conflict and failed to provide proper Border security.

Frazer said in 1975 when the IRA shot dead his father Robert, a UDR man, a British army helicopter followed the killers to the Border but then had to stop because it lacked permission to enter Irish airspace. "How despicable is that," he added.

The Love Ulster march is supported by South Armagh pastor Barrie Halliday. "The Queen went to Dublin in person to deliver an apology for the perceived wrong of hundreds of years of British rule.

"We want an apology from the Irish state for the injustice inflicted on us," he said. "

He has got a few points in fairness. Imagine if the boot was on the other foot. Suppose 400 weapons were given to the UVF from a British Army barracks.

Badgermonkey

Folks like Willie Frazer, Jim Allister, Cedric Wilson, Davy Tweed and Gregory Campbell have been left emasculated by recent shifts in Northern Irish political and societal attitudes.

Took a long time to realise a shared future was the only future worth living and those who retain a fetish for the bile and bitterness have been sidelined.

Thank God.

GHOST MGG2

Well then...
certainly wont be going near o connell street on that day
Billy boys in sashes marching by the g.p.o?
thats just asking for serious trouble

BlaasForRafa

kfallon wrote: »

without the shabby hair and crazy eyes :P

dunno about that, he might have

Cantona's Collars

Wouldn't it be gas if only himself & his 5 or 6 bigotted mates turned up.

If they love the Union and England so much,why don't they go march in London?

bobbysands81

super_furry wrote: »

Christ, time for the wannabe 'RA scrotes to show themselves up again. I just hope that this time Sinn Fein have learned from their massive mistakes last time around. These lads want them out on the street smashing up shops and nicking runners and tracksuits.

If Sinn Fein have any real aspirations for a United Ireland, they should swallow the pill and come out and if not support this, at least not condemn it. Not only would it totally disarm and negate any misguided point that this FAIR mob are trying to make, but it would give them the chance to say to Unionists that their traditions and beliefs would be respected in any potential United Ireland.

But no, we'll have the bould Gery and the hatchet faced Mary Lou out barking like possessed terriers and encouraging all the inner-city scrotes to smash up their own city again.

Except Sinn Féin and it's members did the opposite of what you said, you need to look past what you 'think' happened to what 'really' happened.

Gerry Adams:

"There is no justification for what happened this afternoon in Dublin. Sinn Féin had appealed to people to ignore this loyalist parade and not to be provoked by it. Our view was that it should not be opposed in any way and we made that clear. Regrettably a small, unrepresentative group chose to ignore our appeal."

bobbysands81

gigino wrote: »

read the OP.

"Willie Frazer, head of IRA victims' group FAIR, said the rally was to highlight the Irish state's "collusion" with the IRA during the Troubles.

FAIR has compiled "a damning catalogue of evidence" showing the Southern authorities either actively colluding with the Provos or turning a blind eye to their activities, Frazer claimed.

"We've repeatedly asked for a meeting with Enda Kenny to discuss this matter. The Taoiseach hasn't even graced us with a reply.

"He won't meet us so we're bringing our case to him on the streets of Dublin," the IRA victims' campaigner said.

He accused the Irish government of hypocrisy for supporting an independent public inquiry into solicitor Pat Finucane's murder while "ignoring collusion in its own back yard".

Evidence at the Smithwick tribunal that rogue gardai helped the IRA was "only the tip of the iceberg", Frazer said.

He agreed that holding the march on Easter Saturday would be seen as deliberately provocative but said it was a desperate move because nobody listened to Protestant victims.

"The only way to get an audience in this country is to kill people or do something controversial – and we're not prepared to kill people. Staying quiet and being good boys and girls doesn't work," he added.

Love Ulster's last attempt to parade in February 2006 had to be abandoned as the rioting erupted and loyalist demonstrators were bussed to the Border with a gardai escort for protection.

Frazer said IRA victims couldn't be held responsible if there was serious violence again.

"We're not setting out to cause trouble. If republicans react violently to our democratic right to march, that's their business," he added.

Frazer said FAIR's dossier on alleged Irish state collusion with the IRA showed that the IRA was given 400 weapons from an army barracks in Dublin in 1970.

He said it also included evidence that the Southern state funded the Provos at the start of the troubles and set up training camps for them.

He claimed the Republic had been "a safe haven for terrorists" throughout the conflict and failed to provide proper Border security.

Frazer said in 1975 when the IRA shot dead his father Robert, a UDR man, a British army helicopter followed the killers to the Border but then had to stop because it lacked permission to enter Irish airspace. "How despicable is that," he added.

The Love Ulster march is supported by South Armagh pastor Barrie Halliday. "The Queen went to Dublin in person to deliver an apology for the perceived wrong of hundreds of years of British rule.

"We want an apology from the Irish state for the injustice inflicted on us," he said. "

He has got a few points in fairness. Imagine if the boot was on the other foot. Suppose 400 weapons were given to the UVF from a British Army barracks.

Willie Frazer is a fantastist.

nice_very

KeithAFC wrote: »

How many bands will be taking part? Might see if I can go to this if it happens. I think it could be a great day out. Hopefully it is peaceful this time.

will you be burning Irish flags too or is that just on the "twolfth"?

Morlar

bwatson wrote: »

Do you really think there is much similarity between the two? Its not as if the British are asking for the Irish republic to rejoin them in one country. The British aren't people who want to see all of Ireland back in the UK, and as such have no reason to display such levels of tolerance to a group who are vastly different to them.

Aren't you one of the people who strives to bring about a united Ireland, who says that all people born in Ireland, be it the North or the Republic, are Irish?

What would be your intention should we actually see a united Ireland? Do you want to see unionists simply removed from the island or do you want to see integration?

Integration does not require Irish Republicans to march on the Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday. Does it ?

Anymore than it requires this group marching on the GPO on Easter Sunday.

This has nothing to do with bullshít about integration. That's a pure smokescreen.

It is an intentionally disrespectful provocation, designed to be as offensive as possible.

karma_

dlofnep wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54PsSucSosI

Need I say anymore?

I eagerly look forward to the video of Willie 'The Bigot' Frazer putting his hands up and proclaiming "Them people have moved on, I stand corrected."

KeithAFC

nice_very wrote: »

will you be burning Irish flags too or is that just on the "twolfth"?

Don't think so.

Chuck Stone

I wonder how Willie Frazer and his crowd would feel if it really was a love Ulster parade?

Imagine people from the Nationalist/Republican community, the gay community, the Polish, Nigerians, Atheists and the Frazer gang all marching together?

Hows about that then Willie?

steddyeddy

KeithAFC wrote: »

Morlar wrote: »

Try this on Easter Sunday and you won't make it out alive.

Why? The Queen visited and it passed off peacefully.

The queen represents britain frazer represents bigotry and a lifetime of hate. Big difference.

Nodin

super_furry wrote: »

Christ, time for the wannabe 'RA scrotes to show themselves up again. I just hope that this time Sinn Fein have learned from their massive mistakes last time around. These lads want them out on the street smashing up shops and nicking runners and tracksuits.

.

The last protest had nothing to do with Gerry and co.

Nodin

gigino wrote: »

........
He has got a few points in fairness. Imagine if the boot was on the other foot. Suppose 400 weapons were given to the UVF from a British Army barracks.

You've a source for that "irish army" claim other than Frazer?

who the fug

To have an ignore button that would work in real life

Nodin

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I wonder how Willie Frazer and his crowd would feel if it really was a love Ulster parade?

Imagine people from the Nationalist/Republican community, the gay community, the Polish, Nigerians, Atheists and the Frazer gang all marching together?

Hows about that then Willie?

Willie would have a 'scanners' moment.

danniemcq

I really hate the fact that they call it a Love Ulster Parade, us Donegal folk are loved by everyone, we don't need a parade

KeithAFC

steddyeddy wrote: »

The queen represents britain frazer represents bigotry and a lifetime of hate. Big difference.

Republicans pick and choose. One minute it is 800 years of brutal English/British monarchist rule and now the Queen is great. I don't see why this parade can't happen. Seems it might go ahead and hopefully it does as I would like to go to it.

who the fug

KeithAFC wrote: »

steddyeddy wrote: »

The queen represents britain frazer represents bigotry and a lifetime of hate. Big difference.

Republicans pick and choose. One minute it is 800 years of brutal English/British monarchist rule and now the Queen is great. I don't see why this parade can't happen. Seems it might go ahead and hopefully it does as I would like to go to it.

All paddies pick and choose in order to win

who the fug

Morlar wrote: »

bwatson wrote: »

Do you really think there is much similarity between the two? Its not as if the British are asking for the Irish republic to rejoin them in one country. The British aren't people who want to see all of Ireland back in the UK, and as such have no reason to display such levels of tolerance to a group who are vastly different to them.

Aren't you one of the people who strives to bring about a united Ireland, who says that all people born in Ireland, be it the North or the Republic, are Irish?

What would be your intention should we actually see a united Ireland? Do you want to see unionists simply removed from the island or do you want to see integration?

Integration does not require Irish Republicans to march on the Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday. Does it ?

Anymore than it requires this group marching on the GPO on Easter Sunday.

This has nothing to do with bullshít about integration. That's a pure smokescreen.

It is an intentionally disrespectful provocation, designed to be as offensive as possible.

If you ignore, it defeats the purpose of the march

steddyeddy

who the fug wrote: »

KeithAFC wrote: »

steddyeddy wrote: »

The queen represents britain frazer represents bigotry and a lifetime of hate. Big difference.

Republicans pick and choose. One minute it is 800 years of brutal English/British monarchist rule and now the Queen is great. I don't see why this parade can't happen. Seems it might go ahead and hopefully it does as I would like to go to it.

All paddies pick and choose in order to win

Paddies? Is this the level of arguement were dealing with?

kfallon

KeithAFC wrote: »

Republicans pick and choose. One minute it is 800 years of brutal English/British monarchist rule and now the Queen is great. I don't see why this parade can't happen. Seems it might go ahead and hopefully it does as I would like to go to it.

I'd say there's more chance of you coming across Allan Border than the North/South border tbh :rolleyes:

retalivity

some epic trolling taking place, both with this article and in this thread.

This could never go ahead.
If it was on a wednesday in some arbitrary week next month the gardai still wouldnt allow it as it represents too much of a threat to public safety.
On an easter sunday? not a chance.

Frazer is looking for a platform to spout his bigoted nonsense & draw attention to himself. Sadly, he is getting it.

who the fug

steddyeddy wrote: »

Paddies? Is this the level of arguement were dealing with?

This the view from London

Orange or Green all are paddies

dlofnep

KeithAFC wrote: »

Republicans pick and choose. One minute it is 800 years of brutal English/British monarchist rule and now the Queen is great. I don't see why this parade can't happen. Seems it might go ahead and hopefully it does as I would like to go to it.

Nobody ever said the Queen is 'great'. They accepted her visit as a positive move forward between Ireland and Britain.

Willie Frazer and his army of bigots marching past the GPO, on the Anniversary of the Easter Rising is provocative, and there is absolutely no intentions of building community relations. There is no positive gestures involved.

We don't need your tribal, triumphalist nonsense in Dublin - or indeed, anywhere on the island. Especially when the organisation at it's helm was created by a sectarian bigot who continues to this day to blame the victims of Bloody Sunday for their deaths, and another bigot who was convicted of rape a few years back.

We're tolerant, but not that tolerant.

JayRoc

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

The city centre was brought to a standstill as republican youth fought running battles with gardai who were attacked with rocks, bottles and fireworks.

They weren't republicans.

Cantona's Collars

JayRoc wrote: »

They weren't republicans.

Most of the can't even spell Republican.

danniemcq

zerks wrote: »

Most of the can't even spell Republican.

or IRA

bleg

No to foreign games.

KeithAFC

dlofnep wrote: »

Nobody ever said the Queen is 'great'. They accepted her visit as a positive move forward between Ireland and Britain.

Willie Frazer and his army of bigots marching past the GPO, on the Anniversary of the Easter Rising is provocative, and there is absolutely no intentions of building community relations. There is no positive gestures involved.

We don't need your tribal, triumphalist nonsense in Dublin - or indeed, anywhere on the island. Especially when the organisation at it's helm was created by a sectarian bigot who continues to this day to blame the victims of Bloody Sunday for their deaths, and another bigot who was convicted of rape a few years back.

We're tolerant, but not that tolerant.

Again, classic Republican goal post movement. When it was announced the Queen was going to visit the Irish Republic, there was a lot of disappointment and anger in the Republican movement. A lot of anger on here from some Republicans saying it was basically a disgrace that she was going to visit the remembrance garden.

Now it was a positive move and was good for the Irish Republic and the UK. Which I do agree with. Wasn't what was being said by many Republicans on here before it happened though.

And like I said earlier in the thread, time has moved on in regards to power sharing. The fleadh cheoil 2013 is a good example of the peace process moving forward. I think this is a perfect time for a parade in Dublin. Remember, not everyone in Dublin is a Republican. Still a good number of Unionists exist and many good Orangemen. Lets make it happen for them.

44leto

KeithAFC wrote: »

Again, classic Republican goal post movement. When it was announced the Queen was going to visit the Irish Republic, there was a lot of disappointment and anger in the Republican movement. A lot of anger on here from some Republicans saying it was basically a disgrace that she was going to visit the remembrance garden.

Now it was a positive move and was good for the Irish Republic and the UK. Which I do agree with. Wasn't what was being said by many Republicans on here before it happened though.

And like I said earlier in the thread, time has moved on in regards to power sharing. The fleadh cheoil 2013 is a good example of the peace process moving forward. I think this is a perfect time for a parade in Dublin. Remember, not everyone in Dublin is a Republican. Still a good number of Unionists exist and many good Orangemen. Lets make it happen for them.

I agree but why that day????

There are 365 days in the year and they choose easter Sunday.

Morlar

KeithAFC wrote: »

Again, classic Republican goal post movement. When it was announced the Queen was going to visit the Irish Republic, there was a lot of disappointment and anger in the Republican movement. A lot of anger on here from some Republicans saying it was basically a disgrace that she was going to visit the remembrance garden.

Now it was a positive move and was good for the Irish Republic and the UK. Which I do agree with. Wasn't what was being said by many Republicans on here before it happened though.

And like I said earlier in the thread, time has moved on in regards to power sharing. The fleadh cheoil 2013 is a good example of the peace process moving forward. I think this is a perfect time for a parade in Dublin. Remember, not everyone in Dublin is a Republican. Still a good number of Unionists exist and many good Orangemen. Lets make it happen for them.

So you really DO support Irish Republicans marching on the Cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday.


Good for you.

KeithAFC

44leto wrote: »

I agree but why that day????

There are 365 days in the year and they choose easter Sunday.

Why not Easter Sunday? Perhaps Republicans should take a look at the flag and see that Orange is on it too. The real problem with the Tri colour as a flag is not many people who it is supposed to represent actually live in the Republic.