Arrow [The CW] [** Spoilers **]

Agent Coulson

ixoy wrote: »

Also: Can we have it so that teaser trailers are in spoilers as well as anything about upcoming episodes? I deliberately avoid them and it's very annoying to stumble across them without any warning. I infer "Spoilers" to only include up to the most recently aired episode.

Totally agree with this!

duridian

I thought when Captain Lance collapsed - as he realised what had just happened from the emotion on Oliver's face - that they were going to have his heart condition resurface and that he would die also.
They haven't shown him popping heart pills or any allusions to his heart disease since shortly after it first emerged in the aftermath of Deathstroke's attack on Starling City.

Wonder how they will tell Sara about her sister? I also wonder if maybe there's a possibility of bringing in the help of the Legends as a show crossover at the season finale and inevitable standoff with Darhk??

squonk

Good episode and I'm surprised myself that I'm sorry about losing Laurel. Her character had improved quite a bit of late.

At this point though, and given too that it's a Superhero show, I'm starting to lose interest in the grave really. I've a feeling it's a bit of a maguffin to some extent. It wouldn't surprise me if it's a setup of some sort or just a minor character. Perhaps Felicity's mother? It's probably Luarel's grave but we know that could be a roose or that she'll be back from Earth 2, or potentially resurrected if the Legends go back in time to revisit that whole showdown with Darkh for a crossover.

Mitch Connor

ixoy wrote: »

This. That secret talk meant something and I'm not convinced Laurel is gone from the show.
We can be fairly sure Barry's not going to bring her back (after the latest Flash) and the Lazarus Pit is gone but maybe the idol will play into this somehow - there's a game there with Laurel's death being resurrected eventually. I suspect that there may be someone else in the grave.

Also: Can we have it so that teaser trailers are in spoilers as well as anything about upcoming episodes? I deliberately avoid them and it's very annoying to stumble across them without any warning. I infer "Spoilers" to only include up to the most recently aired episode.

THat would mean we still need to have a main character die - and it would need to happen prior to a Laurel funeral. The writers have said the death related to the funeral scene is a proper death and there will be no shenanigans around it. If that is Laurels funeral, then she should be dead, or the writers have lied to us.

StaticAge11

I am calling shullbit on the death. The whole secret between her and Oliver, docs saying she is fine and that she just needs rest. Conveniently she starts crashing after her and Oliver had that secret. and Olivers face he didnt look too concerned.

I'd say its going to be some sort of ruse

Farty88

No comebacks. no rise from the dead. No more laurel. I was right about laurel I said it months ago if you look way back and see in this thread I was clearly on the ball plus recently I said it aswell. This death unfortunately is sticking. the actress Kate cassidy is reportedly joining flash for one episode only as earth 2 black canary. She's also reportedly been signed up to a new TV programme and is expected to be a cast regular. people are both heartbroken and angry she's gone but in my opinion laurel has ran out of storylines and I also think it was time to pull the plug on the character black canary is a big deal in the Arrow comic and the TV show I reckon either Sarah will come back and be black canary again or maybe speedy will take the mantle of black canary and colton Haynes will be back as arsenal who knows all conspiracy theory.

McLoughlin

What really screwed Katie Cassidy/Laurel Lance was the introduction of and development of Felicity/ Emily Bett Rickards. Felicity was never intended to be a regular character and when she was made a regular the story lines and relationships between Oliver and Laurel were shifted to Oliver and Felicty. that is why Laurel suffered as a poorly written character

Axwell

Farty88 wrote: »

No comebacks. no rise from the dead. No more laurel..

^ This...shes done. She wont be back from the dead. If we see her at all at most it will be a flashback.

Frank O. Pinion

Frank O. Pinion wrote: »

I binge-watched the first three seasons in September, and then the first nine episodes of season 4 the past few days. My most pressing comment I have? I absolutely hate the Laurel Lance character, and her "Canary Cry" looks ridiculously stupid.

I watched the second nine episodes of the season, I'm very happy with her death.

With Laurel gone, the biggest problems with the show are the pointless, boring flashbacks and Felicity being a moody bitch because Oliver chose his son over her feelings. Fix those, and the show might return to the quality of season 1 and 2.

Nervous Wreck

RobbingBandit wrote: »

The significance of the view outside the window of the room will be important.

Who was looking in at the scene?

We were. The viewers. That shot wasn't to imply there was a prowler outside, it was to keep the audience outside. It's a common tactic in film/tv.

Agent Coulson

Well there you go the grave/



Now that was a Black Canary I could get behind I hope she returns.

CastorTroy

Since I watch Supernatural, I knew as soon as she passed them in the hospital that she was gonna play a big part. Though having her as a mini Canary was quite stupid. As was said on other forums do people not realise she's much shorter. She looked like a kid playing dress up. And then they don't even bother explaining how she's using the sonic scream despite the others saying repeatedly that she shouldn't be able to.

Also they're usually good at syncing Flash and Arrow so don't know if this is meant to be set before or after the last couple episodes of Flash with

Barry's situation there.

The emotional scenes were really well done. The action wasn't. The way the SWAT guys pointed the guns then just gave up. And when mini Canary was hitting the PR guy with weak punches and sound effects

Kirby

"Oh no! He has fired a grappling gun and is oh so slowly rappelling away from us! Our automatic assault rifles are no match for his slow ascent out of the building."

There are times when I wonder why I watch this show. I've always been baffled by people who hate watch shows and then bitch about them every episode.....but I'm starting to think the Arrow/Flash/Legends of tomorrow shows are becoming that for me. They are just SO STUPID on so many irritating levels.

ixoy

A lot of people seem to be down on the DC shows at the moment, but I'm not really seeing it myself (barring Barry's utterly stupid decision recently in 'The Flash'). I mean people reacting slowly to a comic book super hero is par for the course - Batman should have been dead ages ago and why not just fire bomb Ollie some day. It's never made much sense so I take it with a pinch of salt.

As to the episode itself, it was a good send off. The flashbacks had a point this week too, filling in a few gaps between S1 and S2. Hoping everyone is now so po'd with Darkh that we go all action for the final few episodes. No more soap opera moments - do you hear me Felicity.

squonk

By Arrow standards it was a good episode but, like other posters have mentioned, how the hell could the kid use Laurels sonic whatchacallit. Not explaining was just poor. I don't know also why Mrs. Darkh's crew didn't just blow away Arrow and faux canary while they were having their little crisis char. Ollie should definitely have been plugged before he left as another poster rightly pointed out.

Another annoyance was the fact that Capt. Lance and his wife went gaga over getting Laurel back. You couldn't blame them seeing as, so far, throwing some salt over your shoulder and whispering magic words seems to be about as much as you need to resurrect the dead, except for now when you can't. It's very convenient that Nyssa has destroyed the Lazarus pit. Even so I bet there'll be something else that can suffice when someone needs to come back. Maybe have a chat with Sarah & Co. I'm sure their time traveling ways could be put to use. Apparently anyone can just meet up with Nyssa now as well. She's not much of an ex assassin!

I also felt the gravity of the storyline wrote checks the cast couldn't really handle. Don't get me wrong, I like the cast but they're lightweight enough actors and I don't think high drama is their forté. As he was central to the episode I have to single out Capt. Lance, much as I really like the actor. I don't think he pulled it off.

Farty88

Best arrow episode iv seen in ages. Felt like we captured some of the magic of season 1 and 2 and really enjoyed the fact this new canary got involved so quickly. Going on from here I think the last few episodes will be brilliant and I've an awful feeling legend's of tomorrow could play a big part in either bringing dark down or maybe bringing laurel back possibly both. Also the fact rip hunter said we will bring you right back to where we collected you suggests Sarah and the atom could already have the solution in bringing dark down atleast 4 episodes left in all 3 shows so nobody knows what could happen all I know is flash is a episode behind arrow judging by the grave scene.

martingriff

Farty88 wrote: »

Best arrow episode iv seen in ages. Felt like we captured some of the magic of season 1 and 2 and really enjoyed the fact this new canary got involved so quickly. Going on from here I think the last few episodes will be brilliant and I've an awful feeling legend's of tomorrow could play a big part in either bringing dark down or maybe bringing laurel back possibly both. Also the fact rip hunter said we will bring you right back to where we collected you suggests Sarah and the atom could already have the solution in bringing dark down atleast 4 episodes left in all 3 shows so nobody knows what could happen all I know is flash is a episode behind arrow judging by the grave scene.

That is a question allright given Rip was going to drop back everyone at the exact same point (or so he says) then is everthing we see could just change. Like next season both Flash and Arrow start slightly different from how it ends this season due to the others coming back. Depending on who stays or goes on Legends

Bounty Hunter

Everytime I watch this show I can't help but spot the name of one of the co-executive producers (think he sometimes is listed as a writer).... Speed Weed.

what a name!



So ummm you just have to think positively (be full of hope) to stop Darkh's magic... sounds kinda easy for a Hero.

Agent Coulson

Phil Collins said they would never tour again

Antar Bolaeisk

No problem, I can wirelessly clone the sub-luminal processor...

(Also, sub-luminal processor, so you mean, a normal processor then).

I know it's comic book fiction, but really.

All the stupid stuff in both Arrow and Flash (and Legends to a lesser extent [There's just so much stupid in Legends that it's normally difficult to spot the trees for the forest]) is really starting to get tedious. I had to walk away when the above happened, it just hurt too much.

Bounty Hunter

Did not expect so many people to be killed... obviously we don't see them and they are from a town we don't know... but Havenbrook being 20km away also means that now there is a mass grave and nuculear waste ground pretty close by. I really hope that gets more than a passing mention.

I wonder will Ray Palmer make a return to stop the board screwing felicity over. Surely they would have to have given her some prior warning before removing her like they did too (even if she says she is too busy umm just leave her a note saying if she doesen't X, Y or Z you may have to take whatever action for example), that said you can't blame them as it's not like she ever came across as running a company.

As said above I really have to just turn my brain off and not nit pick shows like this and Legends of Tomorrow if I'm going to watch them but it's so hard sometimes like when they specifically say that the thing they need is in Curtis's lab but don't even mention the possibility of getting Curtis to get it for them.

duridian

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

....but it's so hard sometimes like when they specifically say that the thing they need is in Curtis's lab but don't even mention the possibility of getting Curtis to get it for them.

That's exactly what I was thinking when I watched it. I was practically shoutng at the screen "just phone Curtis!".
It's still nowhere near as bad as LofT though, that show is behind hope.

RIP citizens of Monument Point suburb of Havenrock. I have a feeling that this is going to severely mess up Felicity's mind down the line in season 5, even though she couldn't help it, I bet she will blame herself for not being able to prevent this catastrophe.

Bandana boy

Was Thea not being very selfish in trying to stop mad dude destroying the filters in the bunker/arc
At least a part of me was thinking if they destroy the filters , it could delay the launch or at least mean the guys launching the nukes would ahve to kill their own families in doing so .
But good ol THea fighting hard to keep them up so that if the nukes do drop she will be ok.

Antar Bolaeisk

Bandana boy wrote: »

Was Thea not being very selfish in trying to stop mad dude destroying the filters in the bunker/arc
At least a part of me was thinking if they destroy the filters , it could delay the launch or at least mean the guys launching the nukes would ahve to kill their own families in doing so .
But good ol THea fighting hard to keep them up so that if the nukes do drop she will be ok.

To be fair, that was probably the most sensible thing to happen in the entire episode.

CastorTroy

I know it's been joked about before, but this really has become the Felicity Smoak show.

EoinMcLovin

Total letdown of a season finale compared to The Flash and Legends of Tomorrow. Hopefully what happened in The Flash finale will change some stuff here. Sure the arrow subreddit is littered with posts telling people not to watch the show and they have decided to watch Daredevil instead. All we know about season 5 so far is that the show will be going back to the streets and no more superpowers or magic and more hand to hand combat.

Lithium93_

Finale was a letdown, and as much as I love Emily Bett Rickards..... It's time to kill off Felicity, just insufferable at this point.

Nervous Wreck

I gave up watching this about 8 episodes ago. How did the season end?

CastorTroy

Thought I was watching an episode of Once Upon a Time there.

Did the Hive soldiers really all bring guns yet run in to fight had to hand?

Agent Coulson

That kind of felt more like a series finale than a season finale.

Antar Bolaeisk

Agent Coulson wrote: »

That kind of felt more like a series finale than a season finale.

That's what I was thinking as well. Would have been for the best unless they plan on bringing in non-lobotomised writing staff for next season.

Mr E

Weak. Very weak. Still not sure how Darhk lost his power and I kinda don't care either.

CastorTroy

Maybe it was just the copy I watched but did anyone notice a weird green glow or something coming off Ollie's costume near the end of the fight?

James74

Yep, noticed that as well. I put it down to during editing the colour grading guys just thinking to themselves that if the writers and producers can't be arsed to make an effort they're just gonna phone it in as well.

duridian

Agent Coulson wrote: »

That kind of felt more like a series finale than a season finale.

Exactly what I thought as I watched it.

Mr E wrote: »

Weak. Very weak. Still not sure how Darhk lost his power and I kinda don't care either.

He didn't lose them, they became worthless when the positive vibes from the crowd of Star City citizens standing up to Darhk topped up the Felicity factor in Oliver.
Oliver then could channel sufficient positive magic power to counter and even suppress the evil power channeled by Darhk.
Note how Darhk couldn't even stop Oliver's arrow at that point, only barely moving his head out of the way in time. Presumably falling back to using his League of Assassins tuned reflexes, but even with those the arrow still struck his cheek.

duridian

CastorTroy wrote: »

Maybe it was just the copy I watched but did anyone notice a weird green glow or something coming off Ollie's costume near the end of the fight?

If you are referring to the glow that occurs just before Oliver says "No you won't!" Darhk: "How you gonna stop me?" Oliver: "Because it won't just be me...", that was a visual cue as to what was happening with the magic charging up in Oliver, as the support of the citizens boosted whatever power he was already getting from Felicity & Team Arrow.

Sudden Valley

Like everyone else here it seems, i didn't enjoy the finale or this season. The writing has gone to pot all the characters are annoying I'm not sure why I still watch the show. I guess the more super hero show's take their plots from their comic book origins the less I enjoy them. Darkh was a rubbish villain (played by a good actor) that I hope is never mentioned again!

Lithium93_

Dare I say, Neal McDonough was a bright spot in a sometimes just confusing show..

Farty88

Might shed some light on the current situation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3jBuXXFfnA

Mr E

That's a good channel, I've just watched a few of his videos. It's good stuff.

Farty88

Mr E wrote: »

That's a good channel, I've just watched a few of his videos. It's good stuff.

Think he's the best around really explains in great detail on what's happening in all cw dc shows

squonk

duridian wrote: »

If you are referring to the glow that occurs just before Oliver says "No you won't!" Darhk: "How you gonna stop me?" Oliver: "Because it won't just be me...", that was a visual cue as to what was happening with the magic charging up in Oliver, as the support of the citizens boosted whatever power he was already getting from Felicity & Team Arrow.

Really? I mean, Really??? Christ but that was just rubbish. I honestly didn't get that from watching and the arrow hitting Darkh was a real WTF moment for me! Whoever came up with that positive vibes storyline needs to be taken aside and given a good talking to. It wasn't a great finale I'd agree but I really didn't figure it was quite so cringeworthy until I came on here.

Something needs to be done to this show. Flash and Legends seem to be way more successful but Arrow just always comes across as pretty average. You know what the worst thing was about last night's Finale? When the nukes were launched and Star City looked in grave danger the one thing that immediately popped into my head was the "In 2166 Vandal Savage killed my wife and family" opening from Legends. That totally wasn't happening if the world was destroyed in 2016 by 1500 nukes. It totally deflated the significance of the danger involved here. I mean, yeah, we knew Arrow and the crew were gong to stop it but could they stop them all? No point wondering thanks to Legends.

Reminded me too much like the tone of Supergirl. Even the random public coming to help.

Not sure that I get the argument against the hope magic though.
Death/despair magic is ok on screen but we draw the line at life/hope counteracting it? That's nit picking

EoinMcLovin

Deleted User wrote: »

Reminded me too much like the tone of Supergirl. Even the random public coming to help.

Not sure that I get the argument against the hope magic though.
Death/despair magic is ok on screen but we draw the line at life/hope counteracting it? That's nit picking

One nitpick I have with the final battle. When all the Ghosts appeared on the street with their guns, instead of shooting everybody they decided to fight with their fists. Also the arrow sub reddit has turned into daredevil due to how bad the finale was
http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/05/26/arrow-subreddit-turns-to-daredevil-after-they-hated-season-final/

That was ridiculous no argument. That's no nit pick. The hive lads have been quite an adversary and became bad enough fir average Joe to take on. Ignoring them ignoring their guns

EoinMcLovin

Deleted User wrote: »

That was ridiculous no argument. That's no nit pick. The hive lads have been quite an adversary and became bad enough fir average Joe to take on. Ignoring them ignoring their guns

Yup they definitely need to change the writing staff or get rid of Guggenheim for next series, as they have lost a lot of fans this season.

OmegaRed

squonk wrote: »

Whoever came up with that positive vibes storyline needs to be taken aside and given a good talking to.

This was pretty much a copy of the Smallvile Series finale. The bad guy was defeated with the help of good vibes.

What a crock of sh*t.... The must write this stuff on the back of a fag packet and hour before they shoot this stuff... A nuke is heading for a city and you have time to see it on a TV screen, get to the roof and hack it with an iPad... come on....

They need to get back to basics next season of they don't get a season 6....

squonk

OmegaRed wrote: »

This was pretty much a copy of the Smallvile Series finale. The bad guy was defeated with the help of good vibes.

What a crock of sh*t.... The must write this stuff on the back of a fag packet and hour before they shoot this stuff... A nuke is heading for a city and you have time to see it on a TV screen, get to the roof and hack it with an iPad... come on....

They need to get back to basics next season of they don't get a season 6....

Yeah you're right! I also didn't buy the crowd just lining up listening to Ollie. The world is practically ending so, at that stage, I think people would be either running to be with their families or loved ones, raping, pillaging and generally beating the sh*t out of each other or generally just being depressed. Listening to a guy standing on top of a car saying "It's all cool buddies, we'll sort it all out and get through it" doesn't seem to really factor into things. I loved that it showed people carrying boxes obviously having looted places. I know you'll always get that during civil unrest but an end of the world scenario goes way beyond that.

Actually, come to think of it, that scenario was the perfect time to have Supergirl repay the Flash crossover. Having Supergirl on hand to scoop up the nukes and drag them off into space would have been far better than Felicity and sidekick dodgilly aiming a satellite dish at an incoming nuke so that Filicity could use her iPad to disarm it. I mean, even that part didn't look very convincing. Where was the nuke supposed to go? It just seemed to fly straight and level. It detonates below 100 ft or something. It's got to come down eventually!

Really this whole Darkh arc seems ill advised now. I'm pretty sure Nukes are firmly in Supergirl's territory and that's OK and I think Darkh would have fitted in really well on that show but a bunch of vigilantes stopping a worldwide nuclear catastrophe seems a little far fetched really and that's how it looked as well.

The more I think about it the less I know what the showrunners were thinking this season

duridian

squonk wrote: »

Actually, come to think of it, that scenario was the perfect time to have Supergirl repay the Flash crossover. Having Supergirl on hand to scoop up the nukes and drag them off into space would have been far better ...

Yep. And they could also have brought in others to help. For example Legends' Firestorm, who can actually absorb the energy from a nuclear explosion, and has done so a few times already, might have been a handy ally to have around for this scenario. Barry's ability to

create time remnants could have been useful, or if the benefit of that is outweighed by the risks of drawing the anger of the Time Wraiths, he could simply jump through time himself as a way of changing something which was imminent.

Bottom line is, IMO Darhk's attempted nuclear conflagration of the Earth should have been a big enough crisis to draw in all forces available and it wasn't done.

Furthermore, if the moderate crowd of Starling citizens willing him on could provide Oliver enough good vibes to completely nullify Darhk's power, the positive vibes from the citizens of even a small state the size of Delaware should enable Ollie to obliterate the 15,000+ nukes in a manner similar to what Darhk did with Ollie's explosive arrow earlier in the episode.Not to even talk about the vibes from all of planet Earth's citizens.

duridian

duridian wrote: »

Yep. And they could also have brought in others to help. For example Legends' Firestorm, who can actually absorb the energy from a nuclear explosion, and has done so a few times already, might have been a handy ally to have around for this scenario. Barry's ability to

create time remnants could have been useful, or if the benefit of that is outweighed by the risks of drawing the anger of the Time Wraiths, he could simply jump through time himself as a way of changing something which was imminent.

Bottom line is, IMO Darhk's attempted nuclear conflagration of the Earth should have been a big enough crisis to draw in all forces available and it wasn't done.

Furthermore, if the moderate crowd of Starling citizens willing him on could provide Oliver enough good vibes to completely nullify Darhk's power, the positive vibes from the citizens of even a small state the size of Delaware should enable Ollie to obliterate the 15,000+ nukes in a manner similar to what Darhk did with Ollie's explosive arrow earlier in the episode.Not to even talk about the vibes from all of planet Earth's citizens.

Olly didn't have power just able to counter Darhk thoigh no?