Fox shooting

4200fps

The Big Fella wrote: »

But you yourself said you would rather have a shotgun.;) A magnum will knock a fox at a 100 yards with a well placed shot.

I'm not trying to me smart but anything over 100yards with a 22magnum is dodgy and is not a humane way to kill a fox. I would use a shotgun and try call a fox in to about 50yards and shoot rater than use anything below a hornet. A .17rimfire isn't a bad caliber for 100 yard shot or under but i personally think it be much better round than a .22 magnum

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fodda wrote: »

I experimented with buck shot once (9 shot) and i was shooting a plywood cut-out at 40 yards.

If the shot hit it then it would go straight through the plywood no problem with plenty of power.....trouble was the spread is unreal and you would be lucky to get one buck shot on target never mind in the right place.

I wouldnt use a shotgun on a fox unless it was up closer. They just arent designed for large animals or distance shooting unless you have specialized cartridges.

I agree totaly

stoeger

4200fps wrote: »

fodda wrote: »

I experimented with buck shot once (9 shot) and i was shooting a plywood cut-out at 40 yards.

If the shot hit it then it would go straight through the plywood no problem with plenty of power.....trouble was the spread is unreal and you would be lucky to get one buck shot on target never mind in the right place.

I wouldnt use a shotgun on a fox unless it was up closer. They just arent designed for large animals or distance shooting unless you have specialized cartridges.

I agree totaly

3"mag in 50g bb hull all the way for me no problem

pigeon shooter

4200fps wrote: »

I didnt say id shoot a fox at 100yards with a bb??? 50 yards no bother. I can say a good man will call a fox into shooting range of a shotgun.it has being done for years when 22hornets was the highest caliber people could get for foxs many years back and the highest cal anyone could get years back was 220 swift or 22-250.The law changed with firearms so better selection of calibers.some didnt bother with rifles years back only shotguns and still to this very day its a very popular method and successful

Listen the point im trying to get across is you can shoot a fox out to 100yards quite successfully with a .22mag. You cant with a shotgun!!!!!!

pigeon shooter

4200fps wrote: »

I would,100 yards you would id say but any further and it be taking the p!ss as it would bounce of him and scare him off.we have some dummy's around here lamping and shooting foxs with rabbit guns and they are wounding/missing them,they would think a hornet bullet is an anti tank round if they seen one.they are missing and scaring them of lamps.thats why you will see fox's which are lamp shy. Some learned the hard way

But sure anymore than 50 yards with a shotgun YOU would be taking the piss!! Any further than 50 yards with a shotgun 'wouldn't be a very humane way to kill a fox' as you say yourselve!! And i never mentioned shooting a .22mag beyond 100 yards at a fox!! I'm talking about it's effectiveness at 100 yards vs a shotgun!!

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pigeon shooter wrote: »

Listen the moral of the story is you can shoot a fox out to 100yards quite successfully with a .22mag. You cant with a shotgun!!!!!!

Yes but i didnt say i'd shoot a fox at 100 yards with a shotgun thats the thing

johngalway

fodda wrote: »

I experimented with buck shot once (9 shot) and i was shooting a plywood cut-out at 40 yards.

If the shot hit it then it would go straight through the plywood no problem with plenty of power.....trouble was the spread is unreal and you would be lucky to get one buck shot on target never mind in the right place.

I wouldnt use a shotgun on a fox unless it was up closer. They just arent designed for large animals or distance shooting unless you have specialized cartridges.

On more than one occasion I've had dealers tell me buckshot was the business for foxes :rolleyes: Now, I know it's a waste of time, and I knew then. But I have to wonder how many take their word for it.

AAA is the biggest shot I'd use on fox, with consideration given to range and spread. 34 or 36 gram BB is my regular fodder. 55 yards is the farthest I've shot a fox with the shotgun. People whom I'd consider trustworthy have done farther, but none of us recommend it.

Andre Georgescu shoots a fox with a bolt action magazine fed shotgun with a 36" barrel in one of his videos. I believe he said to aim just above head height at that range. Not a range I'd be comfortable with, but there you go, I think it took two shots to roll Charlie over.

A gun that fits the shooter, the right cartridge, and swinging through the shot will get good results.

4200fps

pigeon shooter wrote: »

But sure anymore than 50 yards with a shotgun YOU would be taking the piss!! Any further than 50 yards with a shotgun 'wouldn't be a very humane way to kill a fox' as you say yourselve!! And i never mentioned shooting a .22mag beyond 100 yards at a fox!! I'm talking about it's effectiveness at 100 yards vs a shotgun!!

Ah you'd role a fox with the right load at 70 yards no bother with a shotgun with the right load and barrel length and im certain about that and thats not taking the piss.save the .22 magnum for the rabbit

pigeon shooter

4200fps wrote: »

Ah you'd role a fox with the right load at 70 yards no bother with a shotgun with the right load and barrel length and im certain about that and thats not taking the piss.save the .22 magnum for the rabbit

Ah you'd role a fox at 120 yards with a .22 mag with the right shot im certain about that too!! I agree keep a .22lr for the rabbits but a .22magnums able to do the job with foxes if your good enough with it!! Its deadly for rabbits too!!;)

pigeon shooter

4200fps wrote: »

Yes but i didnt say i'd shoot a fox at 100 yards with a shotgun thats the thing

No but you said you would rather a shotgun to a .22 mag!! My point being if you were to bring out the .22 magnum instead of the shotgun you would kill more foxes because you have double the distance on a shotgun!! Lets face it It takes a pretty dumb fox to come in under 100 yards not a good man with a caller!! Only foxes I've ever seen come in closer than 100 yards were cubs or other Uneducated foxes as they say!!

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fodda wrote: »

I experimented with buck shot once (9 shot) and i was shooting a plywood cut-out at 40 yards.

If the shot hit it then it would go straight through the plywood no problem with plenty of power.....trouble was the spread is unreal and you would be lucky to get one buck shot on target never mind in the right place.

I wouldnt use a shotgun on a fox unless it was up closer. They just arent designed for large animals or distance shooting unless you have specialized cartridges.

Buck shot not designed for large animals???lol explain this one.;)
http://youtu.be/a_XrsPcE7J4 I can put this load down my gun 3 inch buck shot and ive shot foxs with number 4's 2and 3/4 inch cartridges when i had my 1st gun. your wrong thats it simple as that.theres the video and i wouldnt mind but 2 tango's down.the buck shot just doesnt take one deer but two.a fox is a 10th the size of them. if any1 tells me a shotgun isnt a humane way they can look at this again

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pigeon shooter wrote: »

No but you said you would rather a shotgun to a .22 mag!! My point being if you were to bring out the .22 magnum instead of the shotgun you would kill more foxes because you have double the distance on a shotgun!! Lets face it It takes a pretty dumb fox to come in under 100 yards not a good man with a caller!! Only foxes I've ever seen come in closer than 100 yards were cubs or other Uneducated foxes as they say!!

Lack of confidence i think you may have and no patience. If your good enough to outsmart a fox you will often get them coming from the field onto the road where you are calling providing wind doesn't blow your scent into the fox.the deer in that video aren't just dead they are stone dead .22magnum cant do that.keep it for the bunnys and don't be cruel shooting foxs with them.

pigeon shooter

4200fps wrote: »

i think you may have no patience. If your good enough to outsmart a fox you will often get them coming from the field onto the road where you are calling providing wind doesn't blow your scent into the fox.

Yeah your probaly right I've just never waited for them to come in any closer than 100 yards theres no need after all I'm using a .22mag not a shotgun:rolleyes:!! I just pop them at the 100 yard mark:D!! And will continue to do so!! I'll be popping plenty of bunnies with it aswell!!;)

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pigeon shooter wrote: »

Yeah your probaly right I've just never waited for them to come in any closer than 100 yards theres no need after all I'm using a .22mag not a shotgun:rolleyes:!! I just pop them at the 100 yard mark:D!! And will continue to do so!! I'll be popping plenty of bunnies with it aswell!!;)

I hope you do but don't underestimate the power and stopping power of a shotgun with the right load.The .22 will kill them but the military or swat teams wouldn't use shotguns if they weren't so effective

pigeon shooter

4200fps wrote: »

I hope you do but don't underestimate the power and stopping power of a shotgun with the right load.The .22 will kill them but the military or swat teams wouldn't use shotguns if they weren't so effective

I wouldn't for a second under estimate the stopping power of a shotgun!! Afterall I have more experience using shotguns than I do rifles! I would be more a shotgun man than a rifle man!! Military and swat teams use the for close quarters if you most notice as this is where the shotgun has an advantage on any other pistol,rifle,etc. Brilliant stopping power at close ranges!!;)

4200fps

If you want to stay with shotguns for big game and kill them at 200yards buy a rifled shotgun.nobody can run down shotguns

pigeon shooter

haha!! dead right lad!!:D

4200fps

pigeon shooter wrote: »

I wouldn't for a second under estimate the stopping power of a shotgun!! Afterall I have more experience using shotguns than I do rifles! I would be more a shotgun man than a rifle man!! Military and swat teams use the for close quarters if you most notice as this is where the shotgun has an advantage on any other pistol,rifle,etc. Brilliant stopping power at close ranges!!;)

But brilliant at long range too on rifled shotguns

4200fps

look at this baby oh man o man.
This will deliver an unmerciful punch to any target lol. Imagine having one http://www.hornady.com/store/Slugs/

fodda

4200fps wrote: »

Buck shot not designed for large animals???lol explain this one.;)
http://youtu.be/a_XrsPcE7J4

You should read the posts correctly.

What i actually said was ...

I wouldnt use a shotgun on a fox unless it was up closer. They just arent designed for large animals or distance shooting unless you have specialized cartridges.

In otherwords a shotgun purely by it's design is nothing but a short distance firearm, not because of it's power, but because of the accuracy of the gun design and it's ammunition.

The only ammunition to extend a shotguns range out to 100 yards is a solid slug and then they are in 6" - 12" groups.........so it depends what you call accurate.

I agree with John about shot size. The AAA or BB used to be the old Goose cartridges for wildfowlers with about 50 shot? in them. The will have enough energy and grouping to cause serious damage out to 45 - 50 yards but after that the spread is too much and less pellets on target means no knockdown just wounding.

Larger shot as i already said is no more accurate at longer range untill you get to sold slug. People sometimes confuse BB with Buckshot. Buckshot is usually 15 - 9 shot in each cartridge and are for very short range only because of their accuracy.

Here's some 80 yard long range buckshot testing for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hZ8qiyvi-M and some at 50 yard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjzH_RUmAP4

landkeeper

i have found over the years anything bigger than 1s don't give you enough pellets per inch in a 2.75 in shell but 3and 3.5" shells are a different matter
no 1s and 3s are perfect for fox shooting out to 60 yrds from a choked barrel they give a good pattern and have more than enough kinetic energy to do the job
most foxes are in the 12-18lb range that is not a big animal

cavan shooter

I hust got back from hunting foxes today using 2 terriers and 6 men, 4 foxes got all ith shotgun and BB's. All of us would be seasoned lampersbut have noticed that foxes are getting lamp shy and cute to the calls, one lad was out for two hours friday and low and behold every fox ran as soon as the lamp hit it filter or not. We are seriously thinking that its time to go back to basics and start more walking every Sunday

Spunk84

There was a period last year around were I lamp, as soon and the lamp went on the fox was gone.one night while lamping alone on a bog that is surrounded by a golf course I was setting up my rifle and lamp and all of a sudden I heard a rabbit squealing. Sat for 5 mins listening and then a lamp flicked on and scanned the golf course and the bog. Well I tell ya I then knew why they were lamp shy! There was a fox on a mound about 100yards from lamper and a few hundred from were I was perched. he must of unload 6 shots at the fox and still missed! I got pis"ed off and put my lamp on him and was looking down the scope at him( unloaded that is) and he had the shotgun and the rifle with him. As soon as I put the lamp on him he grabbed the guns and ran over the golf course,down a ditch,up the ditch,up a huge field,jumped into the car on the road and peeled off! Was the funniest things I ever seen, pitch black and all u could see Was a headlight bobbing up and down in the dark LoL. Didn't even bother lamping after that as I was in knots of laughter

cavan shooter

I think thats what is happening, Don't pick me up wrong when I say this ...but there is a lot of lads lamping that should go lamping first of all with someone that knows how to lamp. Pegging at a fox at 200 yards because you cant draw him any closer is stupid, if lads want to lamp with shot gun then 30-40 yards with 22 50 yards. Anyway we will be back beating spots next Sunday please God.

landkeeper

too many at it these nights the callers do more harm than good of late i'm finding
i was out a while ago one afternoon on a farm with a lot of sheep i was tucked up on a high bank with my binos there two foxes playing about 500 yrds away
i watched them for a few minutes , the wind was from them to me they would have had to come along the bank of a river to a stock bridge that would leave them 80-100 yrds in front of me , nice one i thought ,simple squeel on the back of my hand had both foxes running as fast as they could THE OTHER DIRECTION :eek: they didn't even stop for a look now i have never seen that before
anyway i shot a fox a bit later and was chatting to the farmer and he tells me there is a bunch of lads doing some of the neighbouring farms in a jeep driving round the field with a loudspeaker on the roof doing 'awfull squeeking and squaling' :rolleyes: nuff said

cavan shooter

We were chatting about that over tea and bickies.....serious thinking about jacking lamping

deeksofdoom

landkeeper wrote: »

too many at it these nights the callers do more harm than good of late i'm finding
i was out a while ago one afternoon on a farm with a lot of sheep i was tucked up on a high bank with my binos there two foxes playing about 500 yrds away
i watched them for a few minutes , the wind was from them to me they would have had to come along the bank of a river to a stock bridge that would leave them 80-100 yrds in front of me , nice one i thought ,simple squeel on the back of my hand had both foxes running as fast as they could THE OTHER DIRECTION :eek: they didn't even stop for a look now i have never seen that before
anyway i shot a fox a bit later and was chatting to the farmer and he tells me there is a bunch of lads doing some of the neighbouring farms in a jeep driving round the field with a loudspeaker on the roof doing 'awfull squeeking and squaling' :rolleyes: nuff said

We were called to a farm last summer to do some fox shooting, unfortunately the farmer contacted everyone else in the area he heard of that had a rifle aswell. We managed to get 3 foxes there the first night, and the next night we went there there was a jeep driving round the ditches up and down the same fields all night shooting out the window.

The place is still crawling with foxes and every single one of them is lampshy.:mad:

4200fps

fodda wrote: »

You should read the posts correctly.

What i actually said was ...

In otherwords a shotgun purely by it's design is nothing but a short distance firearm, not because of it's power, but because of the accuracy of the gun design and it's ammunition.

The only ammunition to extend a shotguns range out to 100 yards is a solid slug and then they are in 6" - 12" groups.........so it depends what you call accurate.

I agree with John about shot size. The AAA or BB used to be the old Goose cartridges for wildfowlers with about 50 shot? in them. The will have enough energy and grouping to cause serious damage out to 45 - 50 yards but after that the spread is too much and less pellets on target means no knockdown just wounding.

Larger shot as i already said is no more accurate at longer range untill you get to sold slug. People sometimes confuse BB with Buckshot. Buckshot is usually 15 - 9 shot in each cartridge and are for very short range only because of their accuracy.

Here's some 80 yard long range buckshot testing for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hZ8qiyvi-M and some at 50 yard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjzH_RUmAP4

Your comment said and i quote 'They just arent designed for LARGE ANIMALS or distance shooting unless you have specialized cartridges' your wrong they can kill deer, do you not consider a deer a large animal. I know what buck does at 50 and 80 yrds, i put up that video to show you that SHOTGUNS are designed to take down deer, you dont need specialised cartriges, anyone can buy 3" bbs, 0s 1s 2s. were not going to get a rifled barrel shot gun to shoot a specialized cartrige that kills at 200yrds lol. stop using rabbit guns on foxes is my point, your better off using a shotgun if your gettin them in close

yawdamper

Ive fired 223's hornets and 22 but the best thing out there is a remington 204 54g, flat and very very fast gets the job done no messing.
Ballistic tipped for safety

Damoeire33

I'm by no means a fox hunting pro but a .223 is my choice. My neighbour uses a .17 with great effect.