Your drive.

Redzah · 14-02-2012 9:22pm

stockdam wrote: »

Ah tis a can of worms. Some sets have very strong lofts and yes the 4 iron could easily be stronger than the average 3 iron.

A long, long time ago I played with blades just as the new fangled cavity backs were catching on. I could out drive all of my friends and almost everyone in the societies I was in but try as I could, I could barely hit my 8 iron further than they were hitting wedges. I was often taking one to two clubs more. It took a long time before I realised that the "new" sets were much stronger. Their wedges had a loft between my 8 and 9 iron and the shafts were as long too.

They also needed an extra wedge (gap wedge) as their wedge was so strong.

Now we have sets that start at 5 iron and need 3 or 4 wedges. it's a ploy to make people think they hit their irons a long way. I recently played with a Wilson set and was hitting the wedge a huge distance.

So if somebody hits their irons a long way then compare the lofts and shaft lengths to yours.

Thanks stockdam, i'm obviously aware of the old to new clubs over the last 20 years but am wondering do the majority of clubs that generally now sell from 4-PW have stronger lofts than a similiar set 3/4 years ago which were 3-PW(due to the emergence of hybrids)??

Redzah · 14-02-2012 9:27pm

Su Campu wrote: »

Redzah's attitude is really starting to become insufferable.

In what way Su? Just because i think there is exaggeration going on in the thread. I expressed my opinion on the OP's post on the length of drives. My opinion is at the other end of the scale to yours so in your opinion my attitude is insufferable? If u don't like my attitude then u don't have to read my posts. I could easily say your sh*te talk is insufferable but i prefer to laugh at it instead

Mr. Larson · 14-02-2012 9:33pm

PhilipMarlowe wrote: »

Car-crash internet...

What he said. (Post #2). It all went downhill from there, with a 2 club wind behind.

Senecio · 14-02-2012 9:36pm

Redzah wrote: »

stockdam wrote: »

Ah tis a can of worms. Some sets have very strong lofts and yes the 4 iron could easily be stronger than the average 3 iron.

A long, long time ago I played with blades just as the new fangled cavity backs were catching on. I could out drive all of my friends and almost everyone in the societies I was in but try as I could, I could barely hit my 8 iron further than they were hitting wedges. I was often taking one to two clubs more. It took a long time before I realised that the "new" sets were much stronger. Their wedges had a loft between my 8 and 9 iron and the shafts were as long too.

They also needed an extra wedge (gap wedge) as their wedge was so strong.

Now we have sets that start at 5 iron and need 3 or 4 wedges. it's a ploy to make people think they hit their irons a long way. I recently played with a Wilson set and was hitting the wedge a huge distance.

So if somebody hits their irons a long way then compare the lofts and shaft lengths to yours.

Thanks stockdam, i'm obviously aware of the old to new clubs over the last 20 years but am wondering do the majority of clubs that generally now sell from 4-PW have stronger lofts than a similiar set 3/4 years ago which were 3-PW(due to the emergence of hybrids)??

The norm for PW used to be 48-49 degrees and still is for most player irons. Game improvement and SGI irons now start at 44-45 degrees for PW.

So yes, many new sets are a full club stronger right through the set.

Redzah · 14-02-2012 9:40pm

Senecio wrote: »

The norm for PW used to be 48-49 degrees and still is for most player irons. Game improvement and SGI irons now start at 44-45 degrees for PW.

So yes, many new sets are a full club stronger right through the set.

Cheers Senecio. My 710 cb's are have the loft's i thought so. If pitchmark is playing one of the mentioned game improvement sets then fair enough, i now understand your point. Cheers

Su Campu · 14-02-2012 9:47pm

Redzah wrote: »

I could easily say your sh*te talk is insufferable but i prefer to laugh at it instead

Reported

Su Campu · 14-02-2012 9:52pm

Redzah wrote: »

In what way Su? Just because i think there is exaggeration going on in the thread. I expressed my opinion on the OP's post on the length of drives. My opinion is at the other end of the scale to yours so in your opinion my attitude is insufferable? If u don't like my attitude then u don't have to read my posts. I could easily say your sh*te talk is insufferable but i prefer to laugh at it instead

You insult anybody who claims to have a drive longer than yours. You don't know the first thing about these players but still throw insults left right and centre.

You might be off a lot lower of a handicap than most on here but it is possible that some hit the ball further. Get over it. Take your insecurities out somewhere else.

Redzah · 14-02-2012 9:52pm

Su Campu wrote: »

Reported

For what exactly? expressing my opinion on the your drive thread only to be told by u that it is insufferable

Borisss · 14-02-2012 9:58pm

Su Campu wrote: »

You insult anybody who claims to have a drive longer than yours. You don't know the first thing about these players but still throw insults left right and centre.

You might be off a lot lower of a handicap than most on here but it is possible that some hit the ball further. Get over it. Take your insecurities out somewhere else.

Tbf, its only the so-called heavy hitters that appear to have the insecurities and jump on the defensive.

Short games really that bad?!

Redzah · 14-02-2012 9:59pm

Su Campu wrote: »

You insult anybody who claims to have a drive longer than yours. You don't know the first thing about these players but still throw insults left right and centre.

You might be off a lot lower of a handicap than most on here but it is possible that some hit the ball further. Get over it. Take your insecurities out somewhere else.

Here is the orignal post;

If you put up here that you have any drive over 300 yrd, people go a bit mental. As if it is not possible.

1) do you think amatures can hit a 300 yrd drive. Have you seen this ?

2) what is your driving distance when you hit a good one ?

I believe all my posts were addressing one of these two points. Although i don't know about some of the posters, i believe i have good knowledge of the game and have seen many think they can drive the ball 300 yards only to realise that it is a lot shorter than they think. I was expressing my opinion on this and it is addressing point one on the original post. You're report on me seems to be more of a gagging order as u do not like my opinion on this rather than a valid reason to report me. I do not believe that 99.9% of amateurs can hit a 300 yard drive as i have not seen this from 15 years of playing the game. This is addressing point 1 on the Original post.

Su Campu · 14-02-2012 10:05pm

You're entitled to your opinion, but I am objecting to the arrogant and insulting way you put it across. You would have been banned in any other forum.

This is just one example.

PS I know the guys you're talking about who say they drive over 300. I have seen them and I can't stand them. However I am not one of them.

Redzah wrote: »

4 iron 240 makes u lose even more credibility in my book (its a great book). Cheers for the compliment at the end. By the way i also love the dreamworld that u and ur supporters live in, it entertains me so keep it up.

Redzah wrote: »

Here is the orignal post;

If you put up here that you have any drive over 300 yrd, people go a bit mental. As if it is not possible.

1) do you think amatures can hit a 300 yrd drive. Have you seen this ?

2) what is your driving distance when you hit a good one ?

I believe all my posts were addressing one of these two points. Although i don't know about some of the posters, i believe i have good knowledge of the game and have seen many think they can drive the ball 300 yards only to realise that it is a lot shorter than they think. I was expressing my opinion on this and it is addressing point one on the original post. You're report on me seems to be more of a gagging order as u do not like my opinion on this rather than a valid reason to report me. I do not believe that 99.9% of amateurs can hit a 300 yard drive as i have not seen this from 15 years of playing the game. This is addressing point 1 on the Original post.

Senecio · 14-02-2012 10:11pm

Redzah wrote: »

Cheers Senecio. My 710 cb's are have the loft's i thought so. If pitchmark is playing one of the mentioned game improvement sets then fair enough, i now understand your point. Cheers

My R7 TP's have a 47 degree PW and I'm OK with that. I could never play a set that was stronger lofted.

For what its worth, I'm with you on this one. I'm a 4 capper who's not embarrased to say my average drive is only 245-255 with the odd one out there at 260-270. I don't dissagree that some higher cappers can put it out there, but the fact is, most of the time they are playing their approach before I do.

Redzah · 14-02-2012 10:13pm

Su Campu wrote: »

You're entitled to your opinion, but I am objecting to the arrogant and insulting way you put it across. You would have been banned in any other forum.

This is just one example.

U should read the comments in the context of what i replied to. The OP is focussed on distance and any opinions boards members have on this. I expressed my opinion, u didn't like the way i expressed it. I also don't agree with others opinions nor the way they express them but personality comes out in the way people express things so u have to realise that u deal with certain personalities in all walks of life and not throw the toys out of the pram if u don't like certain people. I was expressing my opinion on Fixdepitchmark's OP. For the record I enjoy the banter i've had with the OP and believe he enjoys what he perceives as my skeptical/negative approach. Does he throw his toys out of the pram and report an opinion he doesn't believe in? No, he embraces it and comes back with an arguement to support his belief.

My view is i don't believe amatuers can hit it 300 yards unless they are a top level amateur or the elements play a part and I have expressed this opinion using my personality. Capiche?

Su Campu · 14-02-2012 10:17pm

Redzah wrote: »

U should read the comments in the context of what i replied to. The OP is focussed on distance and any opinions boards members have on this. I expressed my opinion, u didn't like the way i expressed it. I also don't agree with others opinions nor the way they express them but personality comes out in the way people express things so u have to realise that u deal with certain personalities in all walks of life and not throw the toys out of the pram if u don't like certain people. I was expressing my opinion on Fixdepitchmark's OP. For the record I enjoy the banter i've had with the OP and believe he enjoys what he perceives as my skeptical/negative approach. Does he throw his toys out of the pram and report an opinion he doesn't believe in? No, he embraces it and comes back with an arguement to support his belief.

My view is i don't believe amatuers can hit it 300 yards unless they are a top level amateur or the elements play a part and I have expressed this opinion using my personality. Capiche?

Well then it's your personality I don't like.

Hacker111 · 14-02-2012 10:19pm

Redzah wrote: »

U should read the comments in the context of what i replied to. The OP is focussed on distance and any opinions boards members have on this. I expressed my opinion, u didn't like the way i expressed it. I also don't agree with others opinions nor the way they express them but personality comes out in the way people express things so u have to realise that u deal with certain personalities in all walks of life and not throw the toys out of the pram if u don't like certain people. I was expressing my opinion on Fixdepitchmark's OP. For the record I enjoy the banter i've had with the OP and believe he enjoys what he perceives as my skeptical/negative approach. Does he throw his toys out of the pram and report an opinion he doesn't believe in? No, he embraces it and comes back with an arguement to support his belief.

My view is i don't believe amatuers can hit it 300 yards unless they are a top level amateur or the elements play a part and I have expressed this opinion using my personality. Capiche?

I'm with Redzer on this one.......

Su Campu · 14-02-2012 10:25pm

Hacker111 wrote: »

I'm with Redzer on this one.......

No problem. When someone posts actual measured stats, like I did and the other guys with his clubhead speeds, then people should maybe consider that they are not actual figments of the imagination and could in fact be true. That's all I'm getting at. He pisses on everyone that hits longer than him, calling them dreamers, spoofers, ****e-talkers, etc. I say he has a case of the Terrible Twos, a terrible attitude for a guy off two.

Redzah · 14-02-2012 10:25pm

Su Campu wrote: »

Well then it's your personality I don't like.

Exactly and the feeling is mutual but is it a reportable offence for expressing my personality while staying on topic?

300 yards is the equivalent of a 150mph serve in tennis. Can anybody hit this or is it reserved for the bigger and better players in the game with exemplory technique? The same theory applies to golf. It is difficult to comprehend that a higher handicap can illustrate such perfect technique mainly reserved for pro's and then not in all other aspects of the game, in fact its so difficult for me to understand that i just don't believe it as my experience has led me to believe something else i.e. there is a level of spoof involved.

Su Campu · 14-02-2012 10:30pm

Redzah wrote: »

Exactly and the feeling is mutual but is it a reportable offence for expressing my personality while staying on topic?

300 yards is the equivalent of a 150mph serve in tennis. Can anybody hit this or is it reserved for the bigger and better players in the game with exemplory technique? The same theory applies to golf. It is difficult to comprehend that a higher handicap can illustrate such perfect technique mainly reserved for pro's and then not in all other aspects of the game, in fact its so difficult for me to understand that i just don't believe it as my experience has led me to believe something else i.e. there is a level of spoof involved.

And I agree with you by and large, but you have to at least consider that in some cases someone can have a good technique in certain aspects of the game and not others. I was playing off 11 at the time, and only for a high round in the 90s in one of my 3 cards, it may have been lower. I got it together for a time, and my driving was the best part of my game, but it's all gone south since. I've gone out to 12.4 now, but I'm really playing off around 18. I'm not spoofing, it's a fact so just trust me on it and stop insulting.

Redzah · 14-02-2012 10:37pm

Su Campu wrote: »

And I agree with you by and large, but you have to at least consider that in some cases someone can have a good technique in certain aspects of the game and not others. I was playing off 11 at the time, and only for a high round in the 90s in one of my 3 cards, it may have been lower. I got it together for a time, and my driving was the best part of my game, but it's all gone south since. I've gone out to 12.4 now, but I'm really playing off around 18. I'm not spoofing, it's a fact so just trust me on it and stop insulting.

A high round in the 90's (or +26/27ish) coupled with a 300 yard drive or in your case 291 average with 60% fairways hit does not seem believeable to me. Maybe i'm a skeptic but something seems a miss to me here. I'm expressing my opinion on this and not trying to insult u, u just seem to take it as an insult. My opinion is amatuers cannot hit it 300 yards, maybe u think u do but i think u may underestimate how far 300 yards is and believe that u are possibly overstating this by 20 or 30 yards or more.

For Paws · 14-02-2012 10:41pm

Although I find it extremely difficult to disagree with the points Redzah makes, he might take a couple of responses onboard and dial down the slightly sneering tone.

Probably you don't mean it mate, but it's coming across that way.

Su Campu · 14-02-2012 10:44pm

Redzah wrote: »

A high round in the 90's (or +26/27ish) coupled with a 300 yard drive or in your case 291 average with 60% fairways hit does not seem believeable to me. Maybe i'm a skeptic but something seems a miss to me here. I'm expressing my opinion on this and not trying to insult u, u just seem to take it as an insult. My opinion is amatuers cannot hit it 300 yards, maybe u think u do but i think u may underestimate how far 300 yards is and believe that u are possibly overstating this by 20 or 30 yards or more.

Which is why I measured them by GPS. I told you I wouldn't post stats if they were mere estimations as I agree people like to round the figures up a bit.

For the record my other two cards were a 77 and an (I think) 82, so not exactly that bad. The other was in the low-mid 90s (can't remember exactly).

Redzah · 14-02-2012 11:02pm

Su Campu wrote: »

Which is why I measured them by GPS. I told you I wouldn't post stats if they were mere estimations as I agree people like to round the figures up a bit.

For the record my other two cards were a 77 and an (I think) 82, so not exactly that bad. The other was in the low-mid 90s (can't remember exactly).

I'm skeptical on whether these devices measure it from the correct tees actually played off or whether its from the stones etc. but as i said before i don't know enough about the app u use to offer a comment with my usual conviction

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Be it a 94 or a 99, both are in stark contrast to a 291 yard average with 60% of fairways hit. I hope you can at least understand why i am skeptical based on these facts.

Su Campu · 14-02-2012 11:16pm

Redzah wrote: »

I'm skeptical on whether these devices measure it from the correct tees actually played off or whether its from the stones etc. but as i said before i don't know enough about the app u use to offer a comment with my usual conviction .

Be it a 94 or a 99, both are in stark contrast to a 291 yard average with 60% of fairways hit. I hope you can at least understand why i am skeptical based on these facts.

I understand your scepticism but I started taking stats a while after those first three cards for my handicap. And I used this non-golf GPS, so measured exactly from where I teed off to ball. It's accurate to within 3-5 metres. So no question of what tees it used etc.

stringy · 14-02-2012 11:24pm

I think Redzah is one of the very few people here who is talking any sense.

The original topic was on average drives and can you hit 300 once in a while.

lots of people can hit 300 now and again.

very very few hit 280 or 290 averages, they just simply don't regardless of handicap, not in Ireland anyway, when the air for the most part is damp and colder.

I'm a long hitter in club golf and have been for 10 years, there have been very very few occasions when I've played a round with someone, and they've constantly smoked them past me. I can think of maybe 2/3 guys.

I hit a 270 average, most of the year.

Redzah is making the point that are simply a lot of disillusioned golfers here, and I tend to agree.

Redzah · 14-02-2012 11:29pm

Su Campu wrote: »

I understand your scepticism but I started taking stats a while after those first three cards for my handicap. And I used this non-golf GPS, so measured exactly from where I teed off to ball. It's accurate to within 3-5 metres. So no question of what tees it used etc.

I noticed this GPS has a Tracback system which tracks the distance from point to point based on how you have walked from one to the other not 'as the crow flies'. Based on this system, it will always add yardage to your drives as i have pointed out in different ways on earlier posts.

Su Campu · 14-02-2012 11:33pm

Redzah wrote: »

I noticed this GPS has a Tracback system which tracks the distance from point to point based on how you have walked from one to the other not 'as the crow flies'. Based on this system, it will always add yardage to your drives as i have pointed out in different ways on earlier posts.

You can also save waypoints and measure the direct distance between them, which is what I do when I can't walk in a straight line towards my ball from the tee. Maybe a yard or two error max.

Okay then, how do YOU measure your drives and know you hit 270?

FixdePitchmark · 14-02-2012 11:36pm

stringy wrote: »

I think Redzah is one of the very few people here who is talking any sense.

The original topic was on average drives and can you hit 300 once in a while.

lots of people can hit 300 now and again.

very very few hit 280 or 290 averages, they just simply don't regardless of handicap, not in Ireland anyway, when the air for the most part is damp and colder.

I'm a long hitter in club golf and have been for 10 years, there have been very very few occasions when I've played a round with someone, and they've constantly smoked them past me. I can think of maybe 2/3 guys.

I hit a 270 average, most of the year.

Redzah is making the point that are simply a lot of disillusioned golfers here, and I tend to agree.

Agree with most of that,

But it was not about averages.

Lots of people can hit 300 now and again.

Redzah is winding people up, fair enough. It is the internet, people wind people up. But time to lock this thread.

People can now say , they hit a 300 yrd drive now and again, even Redzah has said 99.9 % don't, so 50,000 golfers in the in world do as per Redzah, and he is never wrong.

Redzah · 14-02-2012 11:54pm

Su Campu wrote: »

You can also save waypoints and measure the direct distance between them, which is what I do when I can't walk in a straight line towards my ball from the tee. Maybe a yard or two error max.

Okay then, how do YOU measure your drives and know you hit 270?

Seeing as I don't have a GPS/Laser and have only once been on a computer i do the following, i call it a realistic approach, especially considering the elements we play in 90% of the time;

1. When playing with an individual who has a laser i get them to shoot certain points and i can gauge a distance off this. An example being a 400 yard dogleg par 4 that has a 245 yard (verified by laser) bunker to carry to cut the corner. If i carry this I may only be 70 yards from the green. Does mean i hit it 330? Of course not as I only carried the bunker by 10/15 yards with another 10 or run meaning i hit it 270. The angle i cut did the rest.

2. I ensure I that the elements are always taken into account and i am realistic that with a tailwind i can hit the 300 yard mark that u all crave or hit it further but i am aware that i could hit the same strike on a calm day and it will go 270. No GPS or laser can measure this (actually i may be wrong as i have heard there may be some that use a wind measurement). Any abnormal bounce etc. should also be discounted as these are exceptions and not the norm.

I personally don't think any GPS can accurately measure driving distance in this country as we live on an island and a very windy island at that with lots of hills. I personally have doubts that if u or anybody else hit your sunday best into the wind and up the hill 220 yards if this would be counting it in your stats but i can be pretty certain with a tailwind and downhill that if u hit a 330 yard drive that you'll be looking for the nearest computer to tell us about it. Its human nature to do this but in reality it is an exception and not the norm

Redzah · 15-02-2012 12:05am

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Agree with most of that,

But it was not about averages.

Lots of people can hit 300 now and again.

Redzah is winding people up, fair enough. It is the internet, people wind people up. But time to lock this thread.

People can now say , they hit a 300 yrd drive now and again, even Redzah has said 99.9 % don't, so 50,000 golfers in the in world do as per Redzah, and he is never wrong.

Lots of people can hit it 300 now and again due to other factors than their swing and club head speed i.e. wind, slope etc. These are elements that the golfer is not in control of and does not accurately reflect the true distance they hit the ball.

I'm not winding people up. Just because I disagree with u does not mean i'm trying to wind u up, i'm just stating my educated opinion.

Yes 50,000 golfers in the world may based on a 50m population playing the game. There are probably around this many professionals in the world and when u consider all the top amatuers in the game then it makes sense. Do i think that of the 0.01% of this population a lot are members of boards or do i think that 50% of the boards members are in the 0.01% mentioned? Of course not, it does not make statistical sense!

Of course i can be wrong, i'm just stating my opinion based on both statistics from the pga tour and my own experiences of playing golf at a high amateur level in ireland.

Su Campu · 15-02-2012 12:10am

Redzah wrote: »

Seeing as I don't have a GPS/Laser and have only once been on a computer i do the following, i call it a realistic approach, especially considering the elements we play in 90% of the time;

1. When playing with an individual who has a laser i get them to shoot certain points and i can gauge a distance off this. An example being a 400 yard dogleg par 4 that has a 245 yard (verified by laser) bunker to carry to cut the corner. If i carry this I may only be 70 yards from the green. Does mean i hit it 330? Of course not as I only carried the bunker by 10/15 yards with another 10 or run meaning i hit it 270. The angle i cut did the rest.

2. I ensure I that the elements are always taken into account and i am realistic that with a tailwind i can hit the 300 yard mark that u all crave or hit it further but i am aware that i could hit the same strike on a calm day and it will go 270. No GPS or laser can measure this (actually i may be wrong as i have heard there may be some that use a wind measurement). Any abnormal bounce etc. should also be discounted as these are exceptions and not the norm.

I personally don't think any GPS can accurately measure driving distance in this country as we live on an island and a very windy island at that with lots of hills. I personally have doubts that if u or anybody else hit your sunday best into the wind and up the hill 220 yards if this would be counting it in your stats but i can be pretty certain with a tailwind and downhill that if u hit a 330 yard drive that you'll be looking for the nearest computer to tell us about it. Its human nature to do this but in reality it is an exception and not the norm

Your method seems much more open to errors than using a GPS, "gauging" distances from known points. How do you gauge them accurately - pace the rest of it out from that bunker? It seems you could be doing what you accuse others of doing and quoting estimated rather than accurately-measured stats.

My stats were taken over several months in a wide range of conditions, both down and upwind. All were included. My longest measured downwind was 342 yds, but likewise some into the wind were only 230. The pros are measured one up and one downwind so there's nothing wrong with including them all.

I really only played the one course (Grange Castle) which is fairly flat, but in any case a hilly course will probably balance out over a round, with as many downhil as uphill shots. I'm not sure why you say GPS can.t measure accurately in this country.

Redzah · 15-02-2012 12:32am

Su Campu wrote: »

Your method seems much more open to errors than using a GPS, "gauging" distances from known points. How do you gauge them accurately - pace the rest of it out from that bunker? It seems you could be doing what you accuse others of doing and quoting estimated rather than accurately-measured stats.

My stats were taken over several months in a wide range of conditions, both down and upwind. All were included. My longest measured downwind was 342 yds, but likewise some into the wind were only 230. The pros are measured one up and one downwind so there's nothing wrong with including them all.

I really only played the one course (Grange Castle) which is fairly flat, but in any case a hilly course will probably balance out over a round, with as many downhil as uphill shots. I'm not sure why you say GPS can.t measure accurately in this country.

Because the legal GPS devices don't measure wind, slope etc. which can vary the driving distance by as much as 100 yards or more e/g. +50 or -50

By the way 230 as ur shortest drive appears unrealistic to me also for a 12 handicapper as larger mi****s and drives into a gale would surely be more around the 200 mark. I've hit my sundays best with the driver and its only gone 200 into a gale before. My opinion is that u are both exaggerating ur distance and discounting anything that is not stuck well. That is my opinion based on the points i have mentioned in my previous post such as the fact that i've never come across a monster hitter like u before and i've played with many good golfers and pros who hit the ball a long way so should i believe some guy/girl (gender not yet established) on an internet forum who has shot 90's with these stats? of course not!! By the way i had the pleasure of caddying in the same group as john daly in 2010 so i got to see him hit the ball up close which averages a little over 300 yards (open to correction as its too late to look up). Do i think that u could be within 10 yards of him? Absolutely no chance in hell!!!

Tones69 · 15-02-2012 12:38am

This thread still goin on

Su Campu · 15-02-2012 7:46am

The Tour driving stats make no allowances for wind either apart from the choice of two holes used. Mine were taken over a long time in a variety of conditions and wind directions so statistically they are a true representation of how I was driving it at the time, whether you accept this or not.

You obviously have been caught out in your argument now and are trying anything you can think of to rubbish mine while at the same time still claiming that your drives are much more reliably "measured".

newport2 · 15-02-2012 8:35am

Thankfully I don't give a flying f%^& how far anyones ball goes except my own. Why anyone does is beyond me :rolleyes:

Loire · 15-02-2012 8:49am

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I can hit a 4 iron 240 yrds

Considering you play Corballis a lot (which punishes poor drives), with yardage like that I'd use the 4 iron off the tee everytime and IMO you'd break 80 easily.

pinkdoubleeagle · 15-02-2012 9:00am

Su Campu wrote: »

The Tour driving stats make no allowances for wind either apart from the choice of two holes used. Mine were taken over a long time in a variety of conditions and wind directions so statistically they are a true representation of how I was driving it at the time, whether you accept this or not.

You obviously have been caught out in your argument now and are trying anything you can think of to rubbish mine while at the same time still claiming that your drives are much more reliably "measured".

Just ignore this guy

Your drive.

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