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In fairness, I think that's a big part of the problem. Why should it be seen as gay to be concerned about the treatment of women? I really don't understand that. Why should gay guys be more concerned about womens' rights than those of us who are straight
Love your location by the way!!!0 -
Bannasidhe wrote: »Really - what would you think a white person who is anti-racist is?
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there's more racism in Ireland, than there is 'women being held back' thats for sure
But of course, certain people like to pretend its still the backwards Ireland of the 50s.
But maybe I am wrong. Maybe women ARE STILL being held back. I can only wait for the day we see female doctors, judges, bus drivers, politicians, teachers, astronauts, police women, female army personnel.
... oh wait.0 -
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Well,
there's more racism in Ireland, than there is 'women being held back' thats for sure
But of course, certain people like to pretend its still the backwards Ireland of the 50s.
But maybe I am wrong. Maybe women ARE STILL being held back. I can only wait for the day we see female doctors, judges, bus drivers, politicians, teachers, astronauts, police women, female army personnel.
... oh wait.
You ignored my post in response to that so it would appear you're not actually looking to have a conversation on the matter, just taking pot shots because you have decided your perspective is the correct one.0 -
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In fairness, I think that's a big part of the problem. Why should it be seen as gay to be concerned about the treatment of women? I really don't understand that. Why should gay guys be more concerned about women'S rights than those of us who are straight
Gays aren't out to get laid by women so they won't be as "concerned" about their rights as you son.0 -
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You're really not getting it. Apart from wage structures favouring men, i.e. men getting paid more than women for doing the same job, there's still a lot of prejudice towards women, and constant sexual remarks are the norm in most workplaces. The media are at it too, the word 'feminist' often has 'strident' attached to it, for example. Sure a lot of jobs are held by women as well as men, but they don't get treated equally.Well,
there's more racism in Ireland, than there is 'women being held back' thats for sure
But of course, certain people like to pretend its still the backwards Ireland of the 50s.
But maybe I am wrong. Maybe women ARE STILL being held back. I can only wait for the day we see female doctors, judges, bus drivers, politicians, teachers, astronauts, police women, female army personnel.
... oh wait.0 -
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Well,
there's more racism in Ireland, than there is 'women being held back' thats for sure
But of course, certain people like to pretend its still the backwards Ireland of the 50s.
But maybe I am wrong. Maybe women ARE STILL being held back. I can only wait for the day we see female doctors, judges, bus drivers, politicians, teachers, astronauts, police women, female army personnel.
... oh wait.
Lets look at politicians shall we:
Women over the age of 30 and men aged over 21 were granted the vote in 1918 by Westminster. The Irish Parliamentary party led by John Redmond had tried to prevent women in Ireland being granted. By 1918 Sinn Fein has eclipsed the IPP and campaigned on an equality platform - directly appealing to women voters.
1918: First woman elected to Westminister : Constance Markievicz returned for Dublin St. Patricks.
1919-1922: 1st Irish woman to be given a portfolio -Constance Markievicz Minister for Labour in Dáil Eireann. (2nd woman in the world 1st was Alexandra Kollontai: People's Commissar (Minister) for Social Welfare of Soviet Russia from 1917 to 1918.)
1921: 6 women elected to Dail Eireann - all opposed the Treaty.
1922 Constitution granted voting rights to all men and women aged over 21.
1973: Voted extended to all men and women over the age of 18.
1979 : 2nd Irish woman to be given a portfolio:Máire Geoghegan-Quinn Minister for the Gaeltacht. (To put that into context, the same year Ireland got its second ever female cabinet minister Margaret Thatcher was elected Prime Minister in the UK.)
1981: 3rd Irish woman to be given a portfolio: Eileen Desmond Minister for Health and Social Welfare.
1990: Mary Robinson elected President.
2011: A record 23 TDs elected to a Dail Éireann - total number of TDs 166.
At this rate my granddaughter might live to see a female Taoiseach...0 -
You're really not getting it. Apart from wage structures favouring men, i.e. men getting paid more than women for doing the same job, there's still a lot of prejudice towards women, and constant sexual remarks are the norm in most workplaces. The media are at it too, the word 'feminist' often has 'strident' attached to it, for example. Sure a lot of jobs are held by women as well as men, but they don't get treated equally.
Good reply man.
No offense to millicent but at least you come back and state your input rather than a reply thats just a question :rolleyes:
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1. sexual remarks? .. we live in the age of "i'll sue you and the company!" it dont happen as much as it used to. Companies have a zero tolerance policy with this. Is that not more equal rights compared to yesterdays ireland? .. But I understand what you mean. Lets say a guy touches up a female co-workers ass. Thats bad. Ok but lets take same guy and he touches a girls ass in a club. In one example, a guy gets thrown out of a club and is seen to be a sleezebag but thats it. In the other the guy gets fired and becomes just another statistic of how "women arent treated equally"
2, guys getting better pay. Again, discrimination is a popular 'sue-job' these days. But lets take retail as an example. Out of all the pennys, debenhams, dunnes stores, tescos, lidl's etc etc .. are women being paid less than men? honestly. Are women getting the 8.65 while guys are getting 9.65. 0 -
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Bannasidhe wrote: »I'm a lesbian and I completely disagree with separatists. I have no issue with men whatsoever, I just don't want to have sex with any of them. However, I will not tolerate some guy thinking he is automatically 'better' then I am just because he has a penis. I also won't tolerate some guy refusing to do a particular task just because they have a penis. As I have informed ny son and nephew many times -your willy won't fall off if you use a washing machine/hoover/iron/duster/change a nappy.
Freud would have a field day with this.
But forget Freud.. biologists would be fascinated too: How did you manage to have a son if you don't have sex with men? [My point here being that you were once having sex with men and now you are not.. which just goes to show that having fixed ideas of what gender means are quite silly.]
Also, your comments to your son and nephew make you sound a little fixated on genitalia. When they grow up I hope they put such an intolerant, genitalia-fixated view of human beings in the dustbin where it belongs.
Personally, I think people should look beyond gender to the person. And if your definition of a person is along the lines of a syzygy (i.e. composed of an interplay of both 'male' and 'female' parts) this is very easy to do.
But then again, I guess you wouldn't 'tolerate' that either, since your view of these topics emerges from fixated views of gender in the first place.
Until views like yours are consigned to history, there will never be equality of personhood --some idiot will always drag it back to which set of genitalia you possess.0 -
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Freud would have a field day with this.
But forget Freud.. biologists would be fascinated too: How did you manage to have a son if you don't have sex with men?
Also, your comments to your son and nephew make you sound a little fixated on genitalia. When they grow up I hope they put such an intolerant, genitalia-fixated view of human beings in the dustbin where it belongs.
Personally, I think people should look beyond gender to the person. And if your definition of a person is along the lines of a syzygy (i.e. composed of an interplay of both 'male' and 'female' parts) this is very easy to do.
But then again, I guess you wouldn't 'tolerate' that either, since your view of these topics emerges from fixated views of gender in the first place.
Until views like yours are consigned to history, there will never be equality of personhood --some idiot will always drag it back to which set of genitalia you possess.An odd observation.
The opposition towards Civil Rights in America and towards Homosexual rights were mainly predicated on bigotry. Is this not correct?
But Feminism seems to be a highly contentious subject, and the arguments positing negative criticisms of Feminism seem to be fallacious to some extent, and belligerent. That doesn't mean their critique is not valid or that they can't make valid points, but what rational predication could one have against Feminism, if Feminism is mainly about gender equality, some of the arguments here appear to be pretty pedantic.
Is it misinformation?
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What? Why is that post so confrontational and condescending? Why? Like what's people's problem with Feminism, why is it so contentious? 0 -
Ah, well... It turns out most women who suffer sexual harassment at work don't actually report it, for several different reasons, like some of it is quite subtle and easily dismissed by the usually male manager who'll say 'oh come on, it's only a bit of fun, a joke, don't be so touchy', or because reporting it will make subsequent life at work unbearable due to snide comments made or being ostracised etc. , or they're afraid of losing the job and would rather not rock the boat, and while some may be well aware of their rights and some not, a lot will put up and shut up.Good reply man.
No offense to millicent but at least you come back and state your input rather than a reply thats just a question :rolleyes:
Well,
1. sexual remarks? .. we live in the age of "i'll sue you and the company!" it dont happen as much as it used to. Companies have a zero tolerance policy with this. Is that not more equal rights compared to yesterdays ireland? .. But I understand what you mean. Lets say a guy touches up a female co-workers ass. Thats bad. Ok but lets take same guy and he touches a girls ass in a club. In one example, a guy gets thrown out of a club and is seen to be a sleezebag but thats it. In the other the guy gets fired and becomes just another statistic of how "women arent treated equally"
2, guys getting better pay. Again, discrimination is a popular 'sue-job' these days. But lets take retail as an example. Out of all the pennys, debenhams, dunnes stores, tescos, lidl's etc etc .. are women being paid less than men? honestly. Are women getting the 8.65 while guys are getting 9.65.
On wages, I'm talking more about the higher end jobs, not your average shelf stacker.0 -
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