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Jelle1880

Dempsey wrote: »

Still they are proud of their policy with regards to players and dont hide that fact, they dont have this policy with managers or anyone else that works for the club or in the region around Bilbao. They dont try to ostracise anyone, just pick Basque people from the Basque Region.

Rangers on the other hand ostracise the minority Irish community, pretended that their policy didnt exist despite it being obvious to everyone. Frowned upon the catholic players they did sign from public expressions of their faith whilst playing for the club. Only dropped it because the world became a most diverse place and realised that it was more of hindrance to their attempts to buy titles under Murray.

The big difference is how both clubs implemented their policy and why they are/were doing it. The reasons why Bilbao have their policy can be commended and only the PC brigade have a problem with it, the reasons why Rangers had theirs was absolutely shameful and dont bother trying to tell me that they were/are the same thing.

Thanks for proving my point that you're perfectly ok with one sort of discrimination.

Oh, and since when does 'not signing catholics' mean 'ostracising the Irish community' ?
Did you forget that we have offered contracts to players from the RoI, who then turned them down due to fear of reprisals back home ?

As for your line about frowning upon Catholic players showing their faith:

That's untrue, and I'm pretty sure you know it.

Dempsey

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Thanks for proving my point that you're perfectly ok with one sort of discrimination.

Oh, and since when does 'not signing catholics' mean 'ostracising the Irish community' ?
Did you forget that we have offered contracts to players from the RoI, who then turned them down due to fear of reprisals back home ?

As for your line about frowning upon Catholic players showing their faith:

That's untrue, and I'm pretty sure you know it.

Well done for not understanding the english language, AGAIN

As for the bolded, you have a fantastical idea of what Glasgow was like to live in whilst this policy existed.

As for "reprisals back home", you do know that Neil Lennon has a letter from Rangers explaining that they wouldnt sign him because of his background?

As for ROI players, they wouldnt want anything to do with Rangers because of their history. They would rather be a trainee at Walsall.

Jelle1880

Dempsey wrote: »

Well done for not understanding the english language, AGAIN

If you're not comparing the signing policy to ostracizing the Irish community, why bring it up in the first place ?

As for the bolded, you have a fantastical idea of what Glasgow was like to live in whilst this policy existed.

As for "reprisals back home", you do know that Neil Lennon has a letter from Rangers explaining that they wouldnt sign him because of his background?

As for ROI players, they wouldnt want anything to do with Rangers because of their history. They would rather be a trainee at Walsall.

[img]http://i41.tinypic.com/291dji8.jpg]/img] Maybe you could also look up Alan Maybury. I'll even help you, an article in the Irish Herald from 2008:[/img]

"Over a decade ago, Dubliner Maybury had a trial at Ibrox and was offered a contract by the club, when Smith was also the manager, but he turned down the chance as he decided it would place too much pressure on a young Dublin lad to become the first southerner to sign.

"I went over on trial with Rangers and met the then manager Walter Smith a couple of times and I could have signed. But it just wasn't worth the hassle," Maybury later said.

"It can be hard enough to leave home at that age without any extra pressure. I was just 14 or 15 at the time and I didn't need all the problems that would have gone with a Dublin boy signing for the 'wrong' team in Glasgow. It would have been hyped up a lot. From being over on trial I had Rangers training gear and I used to wear it up to St Kevin's or Home Farm, wherever I was playing, but I got a lot of stick.

"I felt I wasn't ready to deal with it. There was going to be a lot of scrutiny if I played for Ireland and Rangers and I didn't want that. Maybe now that I am more mature, I could, but I was too young then," added Maybury.

Feel free to post that letter to Lennon by the way, because I call bull****.

Dempsey

Alan Maybury speaks for Alan Maybury, nobody else. But you'd know the opinion of Irish people more than I would :rolleyes:

He says he has a letter but I suppose he's lying? :rolleyes:

Jelle1880

That's some arguments there.

And if that mysterious letter has never been shown then yes, he's lying imo.

Maybe he can send another nice text to his ex, maybe she knows where he left it.

Dempsey

Jelle1880 wrote: »

That's some arguments there.

And if that mysterious letter has never been shown then yes, he's lying imo.

Maybe he can send another nice text to his ex, maybe she knows where he left it.

Why, because you cant google it?

Lennon was scouted by a Motherwell scout, that scout moves to Rangers, scout recommends him to the club, Rangers invited Lennon to Glasgow and showed him around Ibrox. Lennon says he was turned down by Rangers because of their anti Catholic signing policy and he still has the letter.

If Lennon was lying, surely couldnt Rangers sue him for libel?

Jelle1880

You're the one claiming something, and I should back up your point ?
Pull the other one.

My Google skills must be rusty, since I can't find any proof of what you're talking about.

Dempsey

Jelle1880 wrote: »

You're the one claiming something, and I should back up your point ?
Pull the other one.

My Google skills must be rusty, since I can't find any proof of what you're talking about.

im not claiming anything, just stating a fact. never asked you to back anything up. maybe you think im making this all up!

Jelle1880

You claimed Lennon was turned down by Rangers because he is a Catholic, you have zero proof apparently so I wouldn't exactly class that as 'fact'.

But hey, anything's good to have a pop at Rangers I guess.

So forgive me if I think you're talking crap until I see otherwise.

Dempsey

Jelle1880 wrote: »

You claimed Lennon was turned down by Rangers because he is a Catholic, you have zero proof apparently so I wouldn't exactly class that as 'fact'.

But hey, anything's good to have a pop at Rangers I guess.

So forgive me if I think you're talking crap until I see otherwise.

neil lennon stated this in his autobiography and he stated it again on a chatshow on national tv in ireland last year. you seem to be the only person that doesnt know! im getting a kick out of you continually fishing for a link to believe this is true!

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Dempsey wrote: »

Jelle1880 wrote: »

You claimed Lennon was turned down by Rangers because he is a Catholic, you have zero proof apparently so I wouldn't exactly class that as 'fact'.

But hey, anything's good to have a pop at Rangers I guess.

So forgive me if I think you're talking crap until I see otherwise.

neil lennon stated this in his autobiography and he stated it again on a chatshow on national tv in ireland last year. you seem to be the only person that doesnt know! im getting a kick out of you continually fishing for a link to believe this is true!

He also said on that chat show that when Celtic won the league he would tell us what Ally said to him we are still waiting In that dark period of time many RC's were turned away I have yet to hear of any of them getting a letter claiming religion as the reason. The same way I am waiting on another party to tell me about myself on here

lubo_moravcik

Jelle1880 wrote: »

And in that case they will cripple us more than when the first penalties for cases like this were in place.

It's not a positive thing at all.

Just go to Division 3 then.

Dempsey

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Dempsey wrote: »

Jelle1880 wrote: »

You claimed Lennon was turned down by Rangers because he is a Catholic, you have zero proof apparently so I wouldn't exactly class that as 'fact'.

But hey, anything's good to have a pop at Rangers I guess.

So forgive me if I think you're talking crap until I see otherwise.

neil lennon stated this in his autobiography and he stated it again on a chatshow on national tv in ireland last year. you seem to be the only person that doesnt know! im getting a kick out of you continually fishing for a link to believe this is true!

He also said on that chat show that when Celtic won the league he would tell us what Ally said to him we are still waiting In that dark period of time many RC's were turned away I have yet to hear of any of them getting a letter claiming religion as the reason. The same way I am waiting on another party to tell me about myself on here

what a bullsh*t response tbh.

shankespony

i think lennon will keep what mccoist said for his autobiography when he needs a few quid. when rangers had a sectarian policy jock stein was asked if hed sign a catholic or protestant and he said a protestant because he knew rangers wouldn't sign catholics.

Things have moved on and rangers do not bother about catholics playing for them such as amoruso, novo etc. Unfortunately all this has a wider context and im reading books called celtic minded and celtic minded2 about the irish moving to scotland and the reason why so many 3rd and 4th generation immigrants feel more irish than scottish. Why aidan mcgeady chose to play for Ireland and how he was abused by the press and at every ground he played at after his decision. Scotland "best we bigoted country in the world"

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Dempsey wrote: »

what a bullsh*t response tbh.

Really I couldn't give a **** tbh, Does the truth hurt

Dempsey

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Really I couldn't give a **** tbh, Does the truth hurt

Ignorance is bliss, eh?

Broxi_Bear_Eire

shankespony wrote: »

i think lennon will keep what mccoist said for his autobiography when he needs a few quid. when rangers had a sectarian policy jock stein was asked if hed sign a catholic or protestant and he said a protestant because he knew rangers wouldn't sign catholics.

Things have moved on and rangers do not bother about catholics playing for them such as amoruso, novo etc. Unfortunately all this has a wider context and im reading books called celtic minded and celtic minded2 about the irish moving to scotland and the reason why so many 3rd and 4th generation immigrants feel more irish than scottish. Why aidan mcgeady chose to play for Ireland and how he was abused by the press and at every ground he played at after his decision. Scotland "best we bigoted country in the world"

LOL I love it when people come away with this crap I grew up in Scotland without any problems.
What happens when I came back home I was met with all sorts of bigotry and lets be honest look round you racism is rife in this country. Yes Scotland has had problems so has our own country we shouldn't be to quick to throw accusations about

Oh and I still await a response from a certain party

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Dempsey wrote: »

Ignorance is bliss, eh?

Well you tel me

Dempsey

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Well you tel me

You're the one sticking your head in the sand over Rangers sectarian signing policy. Go read Lennon's book

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Dempsey wrote: »

You're the one sticking your head in the sand over Rangers sectarian signing policy. Go read Lennon's book

Sticking my head in the sad over it you should read my posts never mind me read a book
I am sure Mr Lennon will enlighten us all though at the same time as he tells us what Ally said

shankespony

Hi Broxi,

I can talk from experience being from lanarkshire, i ran a football team full of celtic, rangers, hamilton and motherwell fans. i didn't care what background anyone was and one of my best friends was the grand secretary of the orange orders son and if i couldn't be there he organised the team. i was a celtic fan and respected him being a rangers man but there were a few of his friends who would look down on me being a catholic of irish parents.

I know there are problems here also as being from scotland you are "not one of us" when it comes to the job thing. My tuppence worth anyway

Dempsey

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Sticking my head in the sad over it you should read my posts never mind me read a book
I am sure Mr Lennon will enlighten us all though at the same time as he tells us what Ally said

Sign up to Twatter there and ask the man himself and see what his response is.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

shankespony wrote: »

Hi Broxi,

I can talk from experience being from lanarkshire, i ran a football team full of celtic, rangers, hamilton and motherwell fans. i didn't care what background anyone was and one of my best friends was the grand secretary of the orange orders son and if i couldn't be there he organised the team. i was a celtic fan and respected him being a rangers man but there were a few of his friends who would look down on me being a catholic of irish parents.

I know there are problems here also as being from scotland you are "not one of us" when it comes to the job thing. My tuppence worth anyway

I said there was problems mate I never had any myself as I said my problems started when I came home
My point is maybe people in glass houses and all that.When I have had to get physically involved when a man in his forties grabs my 12 year old at the time and calls him an Orange Bastard because he was cheering on Rangers in my local then there are problems here

Jelle1880

Dempsey wrote: »

neil lennon stated this in his autobiography and he stated it again on a chatshow on national tv in ireland last year. you seem to be the only person that doesnt know! im getting a kick out of you continually fishing for a link to believe this is true!

Yes, I don't believe a word he said about that, until he comes out with proof.

I'm not 'fishing' for anything.

You're the one who said that Lennon was refused because he was a catholic, you have absolutely no way to back up your point apart from Lennon himself.
Where is the letter ? Can he even produce it ?

If you're able to show that letter on here I'll hold my hands up and admit I was wrong.
Until that I think you and/or Lennon are at it.

Dempsey

Jelle1880 wrote: »

You're a ****ing joke.

Yes, I don't believe a word he said about that, until he comes out with proof.

Dont believe it, I couldnt give a **** what you choose to believe or not. But its funny reading your blinkered reaction and it doesnt change what actually happened. Seems that you dont have a clue about Rangers history, time to go read a book or five

Dempsey

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Yes, I don't believe a word he said about that, until he comes out with proof.

I'm not 'fishing' for anything.

You're the one who said that Lennon was refused because he was a catholic, you have absolutely no way to back up your point apart from Lennon himself.
Where is the letter ? Can he even produce it ?

If you're able to show that letter on here I'll hold my hands up and admit I was wrong.
Until that I think you and/or Lennon are at it.

The edit ninja strikes again, maybe you should count to 5 before you click post reply, give your fingers a chance to catch up with your brain.

I suppose the conversation that Lennon's father had with Jock Wallace was made up too?

Go back to sticking your head in the sand, you havent a clue.

shankespony

Yes that is a problem, i know very many decent rangers fans but i think the up to your knees brigade need to grow up. I have also been in the jock stein stand and listened to some mindless idiots slagging off mccoist when he played for kilmarnock and saying unforgivable things about his sick child. I should have said something then but didn't, i would now because its unacceptable. Its just a shame that the minority get the publicity. Theres a good few clips on youtube one is football faith and flutes and the other is scotlands secret shame. Makes interesting viewing. Would like to be in Donegal myself today sipping a pint in the smugglers!!!

shankespony

One of my favourite memories from parkhead was the time that jock wallace was being badly treated by rangers, i cant remember what it was over. Anyway celtic were playing aberdeen in the late 80's and the celtic fans sang "theres only one jock wallace" and he waved to them. It was an appreciation of the fact that he was a good rangers man and there was a respect for that. The same as when davie cooper died i was sad because he was a great footballer and i was a student and he used to come into the bar i worked in. He was a nice friendly , polite person and no big head.

Jelle1880

For someone who seems to belittle me at every possibility about 'not understanding English' you sure seem to have that problem yourself.

What's 'blinkered' about not believing Lennon's word for it ?

'It doesn't change what happened' ?
You don't even have proof of what happened, yet it's still 'fact', laughable.

The only letter I found was the one stating interest in him, that's all:

http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/Neil+Lennon+-+Interest+From+Rangers

Not surprisingly there too it's only speculation as to why they didn't follow up their interest.

Coillte_Bhoy

I find it hard to believe that Lennon actually got a letter like that. perhaps Dempsey could give us a direct link to where Lennon said it? I dont remember it in his autobiography though i stand to be corrected.

Dempsey

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

I find it hard to believe that Lennon actually got a letter like that. perhaps Dempsey could give us a direct link to where Lennon said it? I dont remember it in his autobiography though i stand to be corrected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGc3TtBBIM

Go to 2.45

Broxi_Bear_Eire

shankespony wrote: »

Yes that is a problem, i know very many decent rangers fans but i think the up to your knees brigade need to grow up. I have also been in the jock stein stand and listened to some mindless idiots slagging off mccoist when he played for kilmarnock and saying unforgivable things about his sick child. I should have said something then but didn't, i would now because its unacceptable. Its just a shame that the minority get the publicity. Theres a good few clips on youtube one is football faith and flutes and the other is scotlands secret shame. Makes interesting viewing. Would like to be in Donegal myself today sipping a pint in the smugglers!!!

Ah I will be visiting Jimmy Johnny,s in the port later I am a wee bit away from the Smugglers

Jelle1880

I think you're seeing things there.

He mentions a letter, which could easily be the one I linked to, where Rangers ask him to come over and take a look.

The way you put it I thought you said he had a letter stating why they couldn't sign him.

It's funny how that, when a Catholic doesn't get a place at Rangers it must be due to the policy.

Not the fact that they just didn't think he was good enough, no, that could never be the case obviously.

Coillte_Bhoy

Dempsey wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGc3TtBBIM

Go to 2.45

Nowhere in that interview does he say he got a letter stating they couldnt sign him because of a no catholics policy. Your clutching at straws there

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Dempsey wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGc3TtBBIM

Go to 2.45

Nowhere in that interview does he say he got a letter stating they couldnt sign him because of a no catholics policy. Your clutching at straws there

Of course it doesn't I have condemned that policy on this forum many times but anyone who thinks Rangers sent out letters stating religion as a reason for not signing someone is deluded

Dempsey

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I think you're seeing things there.

He mentions a letter, which could easily be the one I linked to, where Rangers ask him to come over and take a look.

The way you put it I thought you said he had a letter stating why they couldn't sign him.

It's funny how that, when a Catholic doesn't get a place at Rangers it must be due to the policy.

Not the fact that they just didn't think he was good enough, no, that could never be the case obviously.

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Nowhere in that interview does he say he got a letter stating they couldnt sign him because of a no catholics policy. Your clutching at straws there

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Of course it doesn't I have condemned that policy on this forum many times but anyone who thinks Rangers sent out letters stating religion as a reason for not signing someone is deluded

I did misinterpret what he meant by "I still have the letter", I hold my hand up on that.

From his autobiography

My dad had a conversation with Jock Wallace in which the Rangers manager said he had known about me for some time.

The subject of my religion was mentioned and my dad recalls that Wallace knew it would be a problem

For religion to be even a sticking point is shameful, to pretend that you werent signing a catholic player because of other reasons is shameful. I suppose it just a happy coincidence Jelle that catholics werent good enough for Rangers for a large part of their history? At least Bilbao tell you that your not Basque and we just want to sign Basque players and promote the Basque region.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Dempsey wrote: »

I did misinterpret what he meant by "I still have the letter", I hold my hand up on that.

From his autobiography



For religion to be even a sticking point is shameful, to pretend that you werent signing a catholic player because of other reasons is shameful. I suppose it just a happy coincidence Jelle that catholics werent good enough for Rangers for a large part of their history? At least Bilbao tell you that your not Basque and we just want to sign Basque players and promote the Basque region.

Ah so its changed now its because Wallace probably told his father there would be a problem which we all know happened to more than him it must have as the policy in place in time was one of ignorance.

But hey no letter surprise surprise.

As for what Bilbao do its great how one form of discrimination was alright while another isn't
Thats the difference between you and I, I know both are/were wrong

Dempsey

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Ah so its changed now its because Wallace probably told his father there would be a problem which we all know happened to more than him it must have as the policy in place in time was one of ignorance.

But hey no letter surprise surprise.

As for what Bilbao do its great how one form of discrimination was alright while another isn't
Thats the difference between you and I, I know both are/were wrong

Answer me this, why are Rangers fans so ashamed of the policy and why wasnt the club upfront about it. What was the reason behind starting the policy?

shankespony

Hi Dempsey, I recommend you read celtic minded and celtic minded2 to understand these things.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Dempsey wrote: »

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Ah so its changed now its because Wallace probably told his father there would be a problem which we all know happened to more than him it must have as the policy in place in time was one of ignorance.

But hey no letter surprise surprise.

As for what Bilbao do its great how one form of discrimination was alright while another isn't
Thats the difference between you and I, I know both are/were wrong

Answer me this, why are Rangers fans so ashamed of the policy and why wasnt the club upfront about it. What was the reason behind starting the policy?

Unfortunatley not all of them are but the biggest majority are so it has changed I don't speak for others as far as I am concerned it was wrong why did the club go down that route I have no idea and I doubt anyone could give a definitive reason as to why the club put that policy in place.

Now you tell me why after all these years of it being done away with do Celtic fans need to continually harp on about it. Does it make you feel superior it shouldn't

Broxi_Bear_Eire

shankespony wrote: »

Hi Dempsey, I recommend you read celtic minded and celtic minded2 to understand these things.

Don't be daft mate I have been told on here there's no such thing as being Celtic minded

Coillte_Bhoy

Dempsey wrote: »

I did misinterpret what he meant by "I still have the letter", I hold my hand up on that.

Fair play.I wasnt trying to have a go at you but i just couldnt believe ther ewas such a letter.

Coillte_Bhoy

Dempsey wrote: »

Answer me this, why are Rangers fans so ashamed of the policy and why wasnt the club upfront about it. What was the reason behind starting the policy?

Thing is, i doubt if all rangers fans are ashamed of it

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Dempsey wrote: »

I did misinterpret what he meant by "I still have the letter", I hold my hand up on that.

Fair play.I wasnt trying to have a go at you but i just couldnt believe ther ewas such a letter.

I am willing to bet the letter does not say he was not signed by Rangers for reasons of religion

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Dempsey wrote: »

Answer me this, why are Rangers fans so ashamed of the policy and why wasnt the club upfront about it. What was the reason behind starting the policy?

Thing is, i doubt if all rangers fans are ashamed of it

That's not a shock I have already stated that you know it must be great when you support a club that has nothing to be ashamed of I hope with all the superiority Celtic fans feel the Halo's don't slip and choke them

shankespony

From what i can gather and from the books i mentioned at one stage in glasgow there were over 60 anti catholic organisations and only something like 39 catholics in the whole of glasgow!!! BBE the book actually goes on to explain why certain things are relevant today and unfortunately historical baggage is at the root of many issues. In the early 2000's the then scottish parliament and its website "one scotland many cultures" makes no mention of the irish (the largest group of emigrants to scotland ever) and were discriminated against in all aspects of life. Yet theres is mention of indians , pakistanis, italians etc so by removing/ whitewashing history many 3rd or 4th generational irish do feel more irish than scottish. I saw it myself when celtic players were jeered playing for scotland. The irish went to watch celtic to express their irishness and many of them had to repress their irishness in jobs etc. All i am saying is that the book/s explain that the more people are told that they are scottish/british the more they will cling to their irishness.

In my opinion its against this backdrop that rangers signing policy should be seen. I thought it was discriminatory but i didn't lose sleep over it, infact many of celtics heroes were protestant such as stein, mcgrain, provan, dalgleish. What pissed me off in recent years was gordon strachan who was not of the "celtic background" was given alot of stick and i felt he was hounded out because of it.

Dempsey

shankespony wrote: »

Hi Dempsey, I recommend you read celtic minded and celtic minded2 to understand these things.

Gimme a synopsis of what they are about

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Unfortunatley not all of them are but the biggest majority are so it has changed I don't speak for others as far as I am concerned it was wrong why did the club go down that route I have no idea and I doubt anyone could give a definitive reason as to why the club put that policy in place.

Now you tell me why after all these years of it being done away with do Celtic fans need to continually harp on about it. Does it make you feel superior it shouldn't

Back in the Bill Struth era, do you think Rangers fans were ashamed of the policy? When Jock Stein, a protestant, mocked the policy, were Rangers fans of that era ashamed of the policy? Even ye signed Mo Johnston, the support of the policy was still strong. For a very long time your club and fans of the day were proud of this carry on. Rangers fans were never ashamed enough to protest against it and force the club to change

Now that its been done away with and public opinion is very much against the policy, its easy to condemn it and you can distance yourself all you like from it but why should anyone forget that it happened? You want everyone to remember all the successes during that time but not your biggest failure as a club. Like it or not, its a cross you are going to have to carry if you support Rangers.

Thats my opinion of it, I dont speak for anyone else.

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Don't be daft mate I have been told on here there's no such thing as being Celtic minded

Whats the definition of being 'Celtic Minded'?

Broxi_Bear_Eire

shankespony wrote: »

From what i can gather and from the books i mentioned at one stage in glasgow there were over 60 anti catholic organisations and only something like 39 catholics in the whole of glasgow!!! BBE the book actually goes on to explain why certain things are relevant today and unfortunately historical baggage is at the root of many issues. In the early 2000's the then scottish parliament and its website "one scotland many cultures" makes no mention of the irish (the largest group of emigrants to scotland ever) and were discriminated against in all aspects of life. Yet theres is mention of indians , pakistanis, italians etc so by removing/ whitewashing history many 3rd or 4th generational irish do feel more irish than scottish. I saw it myself when celtic players were jeered playing for scotland. The irish went to watch celtic to express their irishness and many of them had to repress their irishness in jobs etc. All i am saying is that the book/s explain that the more people are told that they are scottish/british the more they will cling to their irishness.

In my opinion its against this backdrop that rangers signing policy should be seen. I thought it was discriminatory but i didn't lose sleep over it, infact many of celtics heroes were protestant such as stein, mcgrain, provan, dalgleish. What pissed me off in recent years was gordon strachan who was not of the "celtic background" was given alot of stick and i felt he was hounded out because of it.

Again I am not disagreeing there have been problems but we are discussing Rangers and I feel it is time to move on its been a fair few years since those dark days and it has become boring as I have said certain tic fans need to watch the halo doesn't slip

No offence mate but I am 57 years of age I know all about the McGrains and Dalgleish's and I thought they were great players

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Dempsey wrote: »

Gimme a synopsis of what they are about



Back in the Bill Struth era, do you think Rangers fans were ashamed of the policy? When Jock Stein, a protestant, mocked the policy, were Rangers fans of that era ashamed of the policy? Even ye signed Mo Johnston, the support of the policy was still strong. For a very long time your club and fans of the day were proud of this carry on. Rangers fans were never ashamed enough to protest against it.

Now that its been done away with and public opinion is very much against the policy, its easy to condemn it and you can distance yourself all you like from it but why should anyone forget that it happened? You want everyone to remember all the successes during that time but not your biggest failure as a club. Like it or not, its a cross you are going to have to carry if you support Rangers.

Thats my opinion of it, I dont speak for anyone else.



Whats the definition of being 'Celtic Minded'?

I have know idea why don't you ask the man who recommended you read the book

Fine if I have to carry that cross it didn't hurt anyone physically and I doubt mentally I would rather that than the cross you must have to carry for your clubs actions.
I will take you harping on about my burden any day of the week and no I won't discuss your cross

Dempsey

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

I have know idea why don't you ask the man who recommended you read the book

Fine if I have to carry that cross it didn't hurt anyone physically and I doubt mentally I would rather that than the cross you must have to carry for your clubs actions.
I will take you harping on about my burden any day of the week and no I won't discuss your cross

I quoted his post and I asked him, not you.

As for the 2nd paragraph, Rangers played no part in reinforcing sectarianism in Glasgow with that signing policy. If you really believe that then you'll believe anything.