Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

the realpigiron

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Already being discussed in the proper thread or would that to difficult for you

The "proper" thread is it,:rolleyes: my aren't we all high and mighty.

If things keep going the way they are, there will be no thread associated with Rangers.

Jelle1880

the realpigiron wrote: »

The "proper" thread is it,:rolleyes: my aren't we all high and mighty.

If things keep going the way they are, there will be no thread associated with Rangers.

We'll keep it open, just for you.

Otherwise you wouldn't know what to do, imagining focussing on Celtic and Celtic alone, you'll never cope :pac:

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

Anyone know anything about this?

http://www.gersnetonline.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?40487-UPDATE-Conversation-with-Mr-John-Bennett-%28Blue-Knights
http://www.gersnetonline.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?42094-John-Bennett-Withdraws-from-The-Blue-Knights-Consortium

Seems like that guy BrahimHemdani may be the cause of this.

He's an independent financial advisor who has investments in Bennet's company.
He was afraid Bennet could not return a good enough profit if he was also involved in TBK.

Funny how he himself however is both a financial advisor and the Chair of the Supporters Direct Scottish Council.
Guess that doesn't interfere at all.

bobmalooka

Jelle1880 wrote: »

We'll keep it open, just for you.

Otherwise you wouldn't know what to do, imagining focussing on Celtic and Celtic alone, you'll never cope :pac:

says yer man who drags lenny not being banned long enough for his liking into a thread about Rangers administration :rolleyes:

the realpigiron

Jelle1880 wrote: »

We'll keep it open, just for you.

Otherwise you wouldn't know what to do, imagining focussing on Celtic and Celtic alone, you'll never cope :pac:

After an overdose of jelly and ice cream I'm sure we'll adjust:D.

lubo_moravcik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6IWiZt4HSk

Jelle1880

Something tells me I should be glad youtube is blocked at work.

lubo_moravcik

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Something tells me I should be glad youtube is blocked at work.

It's only updates from Sky Sports News

Coillte_Bhoy

Jelle1880 wrote: »

edit: That's not what I said Coillte, but if you want to make it like I did, feel free.

It looked like what you were inferring, maybe i took it up wrong.

Coillte_Bhoy

the realpigiron wrote: »

The "proper" thread is it,:rolleyes: my aren't we all high and mighty.

it's called the rangers thread, this thread is about them being in administration. is that too difficult for you to grasp?

Pompey Magnus

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6IWiZt4HSk

Kris Commons reported to have a fall out with Lennon, turns up to the next day in bandages.

Kyle Lafferty reported to have a fall out with McCoist, turns up the next day in a training bra.

Seriously WTF is he wearing???

Mitch Connor

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

Kris Commons reported to have a fall out with Lennon, turns up to the next day in bandages.

Kyle Lafferty reported to have a fall out with McCoist, turns up the next day in a training bra.

Seriously WTF is he wearing???

GPS/Heart Rate monitor.

Most pro clubs (top level) would have them. Allows a teams training staff to keep an eye on who is running the most (and least) and how is keeping their heart rate up, or have a heart rate too close to resting, which indicates they aren't working enough. Players with consistently high running and heart rate stats may be rested from sessions (so as not to burn out) while those not putting the work in may be given extra work.

the realpigiron

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

it's called the rangers thread, this thread is about them being in administration. is that too difficult for you to grasp?

What's your problem, what are you getting all prissy about?

Coillte_Bhoy

the realpigiron wrote: »

What's your problem, what are you getting all prissy about?

prissy? just trying to explain how forums like this work, there are two different threads for a reason

the realpigiron

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

prissy? just trying to explain how forums like this work, there are two different threads for a reason

You're a right smart-ass aren't ya:rolleyes:. I was responding to the SSN report on the thread which mentioned Lafferty, that Lubo put up, if you must know. It could be argued that the two stories are connected seeing as Lafferty took an 80% cut in his wages and maybe that's part of why he's disgruntled. Regardless, BBE made the point already, there's no need for you to ape him.

Lonesome Boatman

its baffling how many of them dont think they've done anything wrong despite years of cheating other clubs and tax payers.

now when they get punished, SFA are fenians and everyones out to get them this is just getting started and is nothing compared to the EBT case coming up

:pac:

Jelle1880

Lonesome Boatman wrote: »

its baffling how many of them dont think they've done anything wrong despite years of cheating other clubs and tax payers.

now when they get punished, SFA are fenians and everyones out to get them this is just getting started and is nothing compared to the EBT case coming up

:pac:

Really ?
Care to give any examples ?

Dempsey

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Really ?
Care to give any examples ?

EBT scheme

Using taxpayers money as working capital

Financial doping to sustain the unsustainable

Lonesome Boatman

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Really ?
Care to give any examples ?

your fans are on SSN blaming everyone but themselves

weldoninhio

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Really ?
Care to give any examples ?

Go to the Swallow Swallow website, hundreds and hundreds of examples on there. Boycotting Specsavers, and going for a nice walk to Hampden on Saturday.

Jelle1880

weldoninhio wrote: »

Go to the Swallow Swallow website, hundreds and hundreds of examples on there. Boycotting Specsavers, and going for a nice walk to Hampden on Saturday.

Bollocks.

They are against the disproportionate punishment handed out by the SFA which could easily see any takeover bid killed off for good and force liquidation (meaning the end of the club).

But every Rangers fan knows that if we're found guilty regarding the EBT's etc. we will be punished, as we rightly should.

Lonesome Boatman wrote: »

your fans are on SSN blaming everyone but themselves

Why should we blame ourselves ?

Dempsey wrote: »

EBT scheme

Using taxpayers money as working capital

Financial doping to sustain the unsustainable

Not the examples I was asking for.

Lonesome Boatman

http://soundcloud.com/jinkylarsson/john-mcmillan-rsa-getting

Dempsey

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Bollocks.

They are against the disproportionate punishment handed out by the SFA which could easily see any takeover bid killed off for good and force liquidation (meaning the end of the club).

But every Rangers fan knows that if we're found guilty regarding the EBT's etc. we will be punished, as we rightly should.

Whats diproportionate about it, Rangers were found guilty of 5 serious charges.

Madam

Lonesome Boatman wrote: »

http://soundcloud.com/jinkylarsson/john-mcmillan-rsa-getting

Thats it - its all Neil Lennon's fault:rolleyes:

Jelle1880

Dempsey wrote: »

Whats diproportionate about it, Rangers were found guilty of 5 serious charges.

Yeah, forgive me for thinking it's over the top.

I know they imposed the maximum possible penalties, but that doesn't mean I have to agree or like it.

weldoninhio

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Bollocks.

They are against the disproportionate punishment handed out by the SFA which could easily see any takeover bid killed off for good and force liquidation (meaning the end of the club).

But every Rangers fan knows that if we're found guilty regarding the EBT's etc. we will be punished, as we rightly should.



Why should we blame ourselves ?



Not the examples I was asking for.

So you don't care about the livelihoods of the normal working Joe who might be affected in a drop in trade due to these boycotts?? Do you think the workers in your local Specsavers, McDonalds, William Hill have any say in who their company sponsors???

You were found guilty by an independent group, and the punishment was put forward by them. Stop your greeting!!!!

Jelle1880

weldoninhio wrote: »

So you don't care about the livelihoods of the normal working Joe who might be affected in a drop in trade due to these boycotts?? Do you think the workers in your local Specsavers, McDonalds, William Hill have any say in who their company sponsors???

You were found guilty by an independent group, and the punishment was put forward by them. Stop your greeting!!!!

I'm not the one 'greeting', you seem to be working yourself into a frenzy though.

And we do care about normal people, which is why several Rangers fans have taken it onto themselves to handle the smaller debts owed to local companies.

Dempsey

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Yeah, forgive me for thinking it's over the top.

I know they imposed the maximum possible penalties, but that doesn't mean I have to agree or like it.

What makes you think that Rangers deserve anything less than the maximum punishment? Your owner not turning up to the hearing and hurling insults from the rock that he is hiding under ensures that there is zero goodwill from the SFA towards Rangers.

Jelle1880

Dempsey wrote: »

What makes you think that Rangers deserve anything less than the maximum punishment? Your owner not turning up to the hearing and hurling insults from the rock that he is hiding under ensures that there is zero goodwill from the SFA towards Rangers.

He's not our owner anymore, luckily.

And the fact he doesn't show up and treats them with contempt should have no bearing on the club itself.

I also never said that Rangers should not be punished by the maximum punishments, but that doesn't mean I have to like it or agree with it.

Madam

weldoninhio wrote: »

Stop your greeting!!!!

As English is Jelle's second language I think you may want to explain the term 'greeting'(I usually spell it as 'greetin':))

weldoninhio

Jelle1880 wrote: »

He's not our owner anymore, luckily.

And the fact he doesn't show up and treats them with contempt should have no bearing on the club itself.

I also never said that Rangers should not be punished by the maximum punishments, but that doesn't mean I have to like it or agree with it.

Does he or does he not own 85% of the shares in your club?? Craig Whyte still owns Rangers, anyone looking to buy the club without liquidating it will have to pay him for his shares. :rolleyes:

Dempsey

Jelle1880 wrote: »

He's not our owner anymore, luckily.

And the fact he doesn't show up and treats them with contempt should have no bearing on the club itself.

I also never said that Rangers should not be punished by the maximum punishments, but that doesn't mean I have to like it or agree with it.

He is still the owner of Rangers, he just cant sit on the board of directors.

Jelle1880

Madam wrote: »

As English is Jelle's second language I think you may want to explain the term 'greeting'(I usually spell it as 'greetin':))

I know well enough what greetin' is.



:pac:

Madam

I've been thinking(I know it's a dangerous thing for a woman to do;))but I'm beginning to think Craig Whyte is being used as the scapegoat(a compliant one at that) here! After all one man can't run a business into the ground he must have had help from somewhere or someone within the club - no?

Jelle1880

I'm sure Murray was aware, but just didn't give a ****.

As long as he managed to get out before it all came crashing down.

bobbysands81

Jelle1880 wrote: »

He's not our owner anymore, luckily.

I posted earlier that I thought that maybe you didn't quite have a hold on what's happening at RFC, after the above comment i'm convinced of it.

Who do you think owns Rangers if it's not Whyte?

Madam

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Who do you think owns Rangers if it's not Whyte?

But if he bought the club under dubious circumstances,
would that be true?

bobbysands81

Madam wrote: »

I've been thinking(I know it's a dangerous thing for a woman to do;))but I'm beginning to think Craig Whyte is being used as the scapegoat(a compliant one at that) here! After all one man can't run a business into the ground he must have had help from somewhere or someone within the club - no?

I am absolutely convinced that Whyte's plan all along was what's happening now. He is an opportunist that saw a way to make a killing for the princely sum of £1.

He has intentionally financially run Rangers into the ground and I'll offer an example as proof.

He renegotiated the top earners contracts spending money doing so on increased wages and fees totalling millions to agents at a time when he wasn't paying those players' National Insurance and Income Tax! Why would he do that???

He wanted Rangers to run out of money and enter administration (knowing that the Big Tax Case and other creditors were lurking), he could then sit it out throwing accusations at the previous owners, hell even firing the likes of Bain knowing that Bain would take him to court thus speeding up process.

Whyte is exactly where he wants to be and where he intended to be. All he has to do is sit back, wait for a final deal to be struck, and then sell his shares to whomever the owners will be for many millions.

Dempsey

I've just being reading the rules which Rangers have been found guilty of. Jelle, Rangers didnt receive the maximum punishment possible.

Madam

Hmm, I'm not so sure! Yes he may have wanted to make a quick buck but even he couldn't have envisaged this outcome.

Sorry that was in reply to BobbyS.

RoryMac

Madam wrote: »

Hmm, I'm not so sure! Yes he may have wanted to make a quick buck but even he couldn't have envisaged this outcome.

I think by withholding tax payments while the club was firmly in the HMRC's sights he knew quite well what the outcome would be.

He's sitting pretty at the minute and shows no sign of handing over his control of the club without being paid handsomely for it!

Madam

Ah well if he's brought the great Glasgow Rangers to their knees all on his own - perhaps he's to be admired as the greatest con man of all time;)

Dempsey

He's turned £1 into potentially millions and all he had to do was be inept at his job. He has crazy business skillz

Old Gill

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Really ?
Care to give any examples ?

buying players with money you never had and had no intention of paying (Wallace), withholding money from clubs over gate receipts (dundee utd, dunfermiline) knowing that the above would cause severe problems to these clubs. Id have said this was cheating other clubs, wouldnt you? There seems little sympathy on the rangers forums for the smaller clubs you stole from (and in fact a supposed boycott was arranged for dundee utd for having the audacity to ask for their money)

Jelle1880

Old Gill wrote: »

buying players with money you never had and had no intention of paying (Wallace), withholding money from clubs over gate receipts (dundee utd, dunfermiline) knowing that the above would cause severe problems to these clubs. Id have said this was cheating other clubs, wouldnt you? There seems little sympathy on the rangers forums for the smaller clubs you stole from (and in fact a supposed boycott was arranged for dundee utd for having the audacity to ask for their money)

Another one who doesn't get it.

I was talking about fans who are according to some still don't admit they've done anything wrong.

Also, we have paid all the money owed so far for Wallace.
The last payment (due this summer) could potentially be missed yes, but that doesn't mean anything at this point.

The rest is bollocks, all fans were happy that the money from the RFFF was used to pay Dunfermline.
Dundee Utd can go **** themselves, they got a double gate receipt when they refused to let fans use their previous tickets for a game that was abandoned, of course we're not gonna like them now.
They have also never let a chance go by to put the boot in.

weldoninhio

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Old Gill wrote: »

buying players with money you never had and had no intention of paying (Wallace), withholding money from clubs over gate receipts (dundee utd, dunfermiline) knowing that the above would cause severe problems to these clubs. Id have said this was cheating other clubs, wouldnt you? There seems little sympathy on the rangers forums for the smaller clubs you stole from (and in fact a supposed boycott was arranged for dundee utd for having the audacity to ask for their money)

Another one who doesn't get it.

I was talking about fans who are according to some still don't admit they've done anything wrong.

Also, we have paid all the money owed so far for Wallace.
The last payment (due this summer) could potentially be missed yes, but that doesn't mean anything at this point.

The rest is bollocks, all fans were happy that the money from the RFFF was used to pay Dunfermline.
Dundee Utd can go **** themselves, they got a double gate receipt when they refused to let fans use their previous tickets for a game that was abandoned, of course we're not gonna like them now.
They have also never let a chance go by to put the boot in.

Aluko, McKay, Bocanegra, Bartley, Goian, Bedoya, Afolab, Wallace, Ortiz and Celik. Players Rangers brought in whilst not paying PAYE & NI. This is why rangers should be punished. Doesn't matter what affect they had/had not on the team. These were players brought in to give you an advantage while not being able to afford them.

Jelle1880

Nicely copied from Kerrydale Street, who is Afolab btw ?

Or did you mean Afolabi, who would have been able to come on a free transfer but never actually signed ?

weldoninhio

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Nicely copied from Kerrydale Street, who is Afolab btw ?

Or did you mean Afolabi, who would have been able to come on a free transfer but never actually signed ?

So your only retort is that I made one mistake and misspelt one of the names?? What about the others?? Pure head buried in the sand!!!

Jelle1880

weldoninhio wrote: »

So your only retort is that I made one mistake and misspelt one of the names?? What about the others?? Pure head buried in the sand!!!

Aye, keep telling yourself that.

http://www.thelawyer.com/full-extent-of-rangers-fc-claims-against-collyer-bristow-laid-bare/1012303.article

Hopefully that means that criminal charges can be brought to them.
I guess that can also put to rest the accusations that D&P are working together with Whyte.

The_Kew_Tour

When will it be decided what division Rangers will be playing next season?

Eirebear

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

When will it be decided what division Rangers will be playing next season?

Whenever Regan get's word from his masters at Peter Lawwel's proffesional Game Board.


I've only just realised he was on that - yet for months i;ve read Bobby and Co. getting annoyed about the fact an EXRangers Board Member was involved.
Now if anyone has a conflict of interests....