Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

Savage Tyrant

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Radio Scotland saying a vote of no confidence towards Regan has been asked and seconded.

About time.

fryup

will rangers supporters switch allegiance to Hearts??

Broxi_Bear_Eire

fryup wrote: »

will rangers supporters switch allegiance to Hearts??

Aye of course we will :rolleyes:

Coillte_Bhoy

fryup wrote: »

will rangers supporters switch allegiance to Hearts??

Absolutley. If the roles were reversed and it was Celtic in this position i would 100% transfer my allegaince to Hibs. :rolleyes:honest to god, what a stupid questionH
.

kitakyushu

fryup wrote: »

will rangers supporters switch allegiance to Hearts??

Speaking of that tho, what sort of home crowds can Rangers expect in Division 3? Is their typical Prem crowd largely season ticket holders (ie who might stick it out) or is there a sizeable casual attendance at their games (who might not bother with Div3)?

Broxi_Bear_Eire

kitakyushu wrote: »

Speaking of that tho, what sort of home crowds can Rangers expect in Division 3? Is their typical Prem crowd largely season ticket holders (ie who might stick it out) or is there a sizeable casual attendance at their games (who might not bother with Div3)?

To be honest I reckon we will get sell outs or near enough for the first couple of months then it will dwindle to about the 20,000 mark. But we will have to wait and see.

One things for sure I don't see us all heading to Tyncastle to see Hertz

Dempsey

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Radio Scotland saying a vote of no confidence towards Regan has been asked and seconded.

Delighted to hear that. Scottish Football needs people that can make the hard decisions for the long term future of the game, not conspire to flog a dead horse because thats all they know.

EDIT

Sky Sports ‏@SkySports

Dundee United would not support the formation of an SPL 2 or any other route for Rangers newco to join the SPL. http://bit.ly/LhnxT6

Surely the beginning of the end for Dumb and Dumber

killabban182

If I was on the Rangers board I would see this as an opportunity to try and move to one of the English leagues, maybe Div1 or Div2. If they are going to have to start at the bottom it may be worth their while in the long run to be in England.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

killabban182 wrote: »

If I was on the Rangers board I would see this as an opportunity to try and move to one of the English leagues, maybe Div1 or Div2. If they are going to have to start at the bottom it may be worth their while in the long run to be in England.

Its been done to death as long as there is a professional league in the country a team plays in moving to another league is pretty much a no no

rayjdav

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Its been done to death as long as there is a professional league in the country a team plays in moving to another league is pretty much a no no

But why not? Football is a business and banks have a large say in what goes on at a club. They must produce plans and balance sheets like any business. Surlely it would make more financial sense in todays business world to at the very least sow the seeds of discussion out to the fans/shareholders/SFL/SFA/SPL/FA/FIFA/UEFA etc.

No one likes to think of their beloved club in such hard facts but it is just that. Trophy cabinets filled with history mean feck all if a club cant balance +/- accounts.

I don't want the thread "owners" to jump on me for this. I am only asking a simple question.... Basically, I have read on a number of sites and blogs that in the current form, and further taking the Rangers newco ruling, that the SFL and the SPL are probably at the onset of financial meltdown. If nothing else they should learn from this mess to have a Plan B....????

Broxi_Bear_Eire

rayjdav wrote: »

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Its been done to death as long as there is a professional league in the country a team plays in moving to another league is pretty much a no no

But why not? Football is a business and banks have a large say in what goes on at a club. They must produce plans and balance sheets like any business. Surlely it would make more financial sense in todays business world to at the very least sow the seeds of discussion out to the fans/shareholders/SFL/SFA/SPL/FA/FIFA/UEFA etc.

No one likes to think of their beloved club in such hard facts but it is just that. Trophy cabinets filled with history mean feck all if a club cant balance +/- accounts.

I don't want the thread "owners" to jump on me for this. I am only asking a simple question.... Basically, I have read on a number of sites and blogs that in the current form, and further taking the Rangers newco ruling, that the SFL and the SPL are probably at the onset of financial meltdown. If nothing else they should learn from this mess to have a Plan B....????

The people in charge of the SPL/SFA couldn't run a raffle so expecting sense from them would be daft.
As for your other point FIFA and UEFA believe it would lead to bedlam if clubs started moving about from league to league and I can see there viewpoint also and just let's say for example Rangets were allowed into English football weas a club would not be allowed to play our home games in Scotland as it is believed it would be to the detriment of Scottish football, also Rangets would have to enter at the very bottom of English football so you ate talking about conference level at least.

rayjdav

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

The people in charge of the SPL/SFA couldn't run a raffle so expecting sense from them would be daft.
As for your other point FIFA and UEFA believe it would lead to bedlam if clubs started moving about from league to league and I can see there viewpoint also and just let's say for example Rangets were allowed into English football weas a club would not be allowed to play our home games in Scotland as it is believed it would be to the detriment of Scottish football, also Rangets would have to enter at the very bottom of English football so you ate talking about conference level at least.

Fair points. I like the opinion of the SPL/SFA.:D:D

But surely there is a valid, probably unique case regarding Rangers/Celtic. They imo are too big for SPL as a model. Granted, it may have drastic effects on other clubs but to play devils advocate here, are the other clubs not holding back the Old Firm too from realising their probable respective potentials on the European front?
Granted, if they did play in the English League, there may be a case for League 2 status at the very least. I think Conference North would not be viable tbh. No point in that. Then you will get to "grace" Plainmoor, the home of real Football, ie my beloved Torquay Utd.:D:D
I know clutching at straws but there are pro Welsh teams who play in England.....
My point is would it not be an option to at least set it out there for the interesed parties to at least set up a working group and see if there is a possibility or even a desire for it to happen or is the status quo where everyone wants to be. I'm looking at it from a business perspective only. Dont like to see whats happened happen and hopefully the Gers do come back to be a force again. (not for a few years though:D:D...)

Jelle1880

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9400788/Rangers-in-crisis-SFA-chief-Stewart-Regan-could-become-latest-casualty-in-saga-after-email-leak.html

The email from Regan that was leaked:

Dear all,
Many thanks for your contribution and support over the last two weeks in trying to deliver a programme of change that will move Scottish football forward whilst addressing the need to deal with the Rangers matter with integrity and in line with our own values as an organisation.
I was hugely encouraged with where we got to last night on a long and tiring phone call and I thank all of you for your efforts to move this issue forward.
I thought it would be helpful if I summarised where I think we are:
1. The Rangers Football Club will be relegated to the 1st Division of the SFL with immediate effect and will be replaced in the SPL by Dundee FC.
2. The television rights for Rangers FC matches in the SFL will be purchased by the SPL for the sum of £1m as a one-off fee for the season 2012/2013.
3. The two leagues will merge into a single league body - The Scottish Professional Football League - effective season 2013/14 - with a working party set up immediately involving representatives from the SPL, SFL and (if required) the Scottish FA to plan the integration of the two bodies - people, rules, rebranding, commercial considerations and so on.
4. A new Board of Directors will be appointed to govern the single league. The make up of this Board will consist of an Independent Chairman, CEO, 3 representatives from the Premier League, 2 representatives from the Championship/Leagues 1 & 2 and 2 Independent Non-Executive Directors.
5. Play-offs will be introduced immediately with the first matches taking place at the end of the coming season 2012/2013.
6. Enhanced parachute payments will be implemented from the end of the season 2012/2013 to soften the landing for club(s) relegated from the Premier League.
7. A revised all-through distribution model will be put in place to provide: a) An all-through distribution model for clubs 1-22 and a minimum guarantee for 20 clubs in Leagues 1 & 2, equivalent to what they would earn under the current settlement agreement.
8. A Pyramid System will be put in place which open up the bottom of League 2 effective from the end of season 2013/2014 with the first opportunity for promoted clubs to enter the league being 2014/15 thus allowing for licensing to take place.
9. Consolidation below the Third Division to take place to create a Lowland & Highland League structure effective 2014/15 with appropriate play-offs and promotion/relegation to be put in place. Clubs to be briefed that the previous season 2013/2014 will involve the opportunity to enter play-offs for the first time.
In terms of actions/timings I think the following needs to happen in this coming week:
A) A joint statement today from all 3 bodies confirming that productive discussions have taken place on a new blueprint for Scottish football. Consultation will continue over the next two weeks with a view to clubs getting together week commencing 2nd July to try and agree the way forward. (D Broadfoot to provide this and circulate to DL/ND for approval)
Rod P / Jim B to finalise the all-through financial model by Wednesday this week latest.
C) Neil / David to finalise the detail on Governance, Commercials and Play-Offs (ideally Monday/Tuesday) and incorporate these, plus the financials in above into a legally binding Heads of Terms 'draft' for presentation to each league body w/c 2nd July.
D) DL to organise SFL Board Meeting w/c 25th June to gain buy-in to the plan and also arrange an all club meeting w/c 2nd July
E) ND to gain support from SPL Clubs 28th June
F) SFL Clubs Meeting to be planned for 3rd July
G) SPL Club Meeting to be planned for 4th July
H) Scottish FA Board to sign off on the final plan post 4th July. Subject to approval all bodies (including Newco) to sign legal documentation.
I) Agree joint communication strategy
J) In parallel to A-D above, could Rod Petrie please brief Charles Green confidentially on the discussions from a Scottish FA perspective so that there are 'no surprises' and there is a general acceptance of the plan plus all of the other conditions discussed e.g. transfer embargo, fines, repayment of football debt, waiving rights to legal challenge, acceptance of relegation and so on.
K) Andrew to ensure our check list of disclosures relating to Newco and Fit & Proper Person criteria are delivered by 2nd july. The Board will need these plus the Heads of Terms above in order to complete this plan.
The Scottish FA Board have agreed to provide a one-off restructuring budget of £1m on condition the above plan is delivered.
I hope this covers everything.
Speak soon....now off to the airport!
Regards
Stewart

Broxi_Bear_Eire

rayjdav wrote: »

Fair points. I like the opinion of the SPL/SFA.:D:D

But surely there is a valid, probably unique case regarding Rangers/Celtic. They imo are too big for SPL as a model. Granted, it may have drastic effects on other clubs but to play devils advocate here, are the other clubs not holding back the Old Firm too from realising their probable respective potentials on the European front?
Granted, if they did play in the English League, there may be a case for League 2 status at the very least. I think Conference North would not be viable tbh. No point in that. Then you will get to "grace" Plainmoor, the home of real Football, ie my beloved Torquay Utd.:D:D
I know clutching at straws but there are pro Welsh teams who play in England.....
My point is would it not be an option to at least set it out there for the interesed parties to at least set up a working group and see if there is a possibility or even a desire for it to happen or is the status quo where everyone wants to be. I'm looking at it from a business perspective only. Dont like to see whats happened happen and hopefully the Gers do come back to be a force again. (not for a few years though:D:D...)

The welsh teams that play in England came about because there was no professional league in Wales at the time. Yes Rangers and Celtic have been hampered by the other clubs over the years and from a personal point of view I would rather both of us were down there.

As for Torquay United I saw them play once as a young boy it would have been end of August 68 I think you played Barrow in a league game and beat them 3-1 :P;)

Mr_Spaceman

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

How is the Famine song anti IRA??? Surprise EB likes this post tbh Oh and TTP chants???

It's a dig at Scottish plastic paddies who, for the most part, love Ireland and will do anything for the place except visit or live there.

I don't like the 'song' - I'd prefer 100% Rangers songs - but there's a lot worse to get all mock offended about.

Mr_Spaceman

kitakyushu wrote: »

Speaking of that tho, what sort of home crowds can Rangers expect in Division 3? Is their typical Prem crowd largely season ticket holders (ie who might stick it out) or is there a sizeable casual attendance at their games (who might not bother with Div3)?

Only time will tell, but if the ticket prices are reasonable I'd say we'll have no problem with regular 30,000 crowds. Every team has it's share of gloryhunters so I suppose there will be a certain number who'll tail off.

At least the games will be at 3pm on a Saturday which is always good for a better attendance.

Helix

killabban182 wrote: »

If I was on the Rangers board I would see this as an opportunity to try and move to one of the English leagues, maybe Div1 or Div2. If they are going to have to start at the bottom it may be worth their while in the long run to be in England.

why would the FA let a foreign club into the higher end of its football structure? any new club would join from the bottom like the rest

thebaz

killabban182 wrote: »

If I was on the Rangers board I would see this as an opportunity to try and move to one of the English leagues, maybe Div1 or Div2. If they are going to have to start at the bottom it may be worth their while in the long run to be in England.

makes sense to me, rather than clawing their way back from the outer edges of Scottish football, for more ongoing 2 horse races - i think it would benefit Scottish football in general, where their better players would get more meangingful opposition , not to mention - money - also Hibs and Heatrs and the Dundees would have realistic chances of winning silverware and have a more competitive league - but a lot of people dont like this thinking , and want to keep the old 2 horse status quo

Helix

rangers and celtic missed the boat to get into england years ago

all they needed to do was buy a non-league team, use it as their reserves where their kids went there on loan, supplemented with a few old heads. let them move up through the league and then when they hit the championship you officially move the new club to ibrox ala mk dons, change its name ala mk dons, and free transfer all the players from your first team over to it

of course that wasn't immediate enough a fix, so they didnt do it. and every year they don't do it costs them another year in getting into england legitimately. had they done that in, say, 2002, all going well at this stage they'd both comfortably be in the championship at least you'd have thought

willowthewisp

Helix wrote: »

rangers and celtic missed the boat to get into england years ago

all they needed to do was buy a non-league team, use it as their reserves where their kids went there on loan, supplemented with a few old heads. let them move up through the league and then when they hit the championship you officially move the new club to ibrox ala mk dons, change its name ala mk dons, and free transfer all the players from your first team over to it

of course that wasn't immediate enough a fix, so they didnt do it. and every year they don't do it costs them another year in getting into england legitimately. had they done that in, say, 2002, all going well at this stage they'd both comfortably be in the championship at least you'd have thought

Great idea but not a possibility in reality.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Helix wrote: »

rangers and celtic missed the boat to get into england years ago

all they needed to do was buy a non-league team, use it as their reserves where their kids went there on loan, supplemented with a few old heads. let them move up through the league and then when they hit the championship you officially move the new club to ibrox ala mk dons, change its name ala mk dons, and free transfer all the players from your first team over to it

of course that wasn't immediate enough a fix, so they didnt do it. and every year they don't do it costs them another year in getting into england legitimately. had they done that in, say, 2002, all going well at this stage they'd both comfortably be in the championship at least you'd have thought

Again it wouldn't have worked as we would not have been allowed to play our home games at Ibrox or Parkhead so it would be pointless

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Mr_Spaceman wrote: »

It's a dig at Scottish plastic paddies who, for the most part, love Ireland and will do anything for the place except visit or live there.

I don't like the 'song' - I'd prefer 100% Rangers songs - but there's a lot worse to get all mock offended about.

Listen mate no offence but looking at your post count your fairly new in here. Theres no point in telling anyone that they won't believe it I know from past experience and I like you would prefer 100% Rangers songs but lets face it I don't know any fans who just sing songs about the club they support

Helix

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Again it wouldn't have worked as we would not have been allowed to play our home games at Ibrox or Parkhead so it would be pointless

any particular reason they wouldn't be allowed to relocate to ibrox? they wouldn't be rangers, they'd be another club from england who had moved, just like mk were

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Helix wrote: »

any particular reason they wouldn't be allowed to relocate to ibrox? they wouldn't be rangers, they'd be another club from england who had moved, just like mk were

Well for one the support would fade overnight if they weren't Rangers
and secondly the SFA along with UEFA/FIFA would not allow a club playing in another country play in Scotland

Coillte_Bhoy

Mr_Spaceman wrote: »

It's a dig at Scottish plastic paddies who, for the most part, love Ireland and will do anything for the place except visit or live there.

I don't like the 'song' - I'd prefer 100% Rangers songs - but there's a lot worse to get all mock offended about.

plastic paddies? like Aiden Mc Geady who has done nothing for Ireland, eh? It's insulting and abusive to thousands of people and not just the few you are on about

Helix

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Well for one the support would fade overnight if they weren't Rangers
and secondly the SFA along with UEFA/FIFA would not allow a club playing in another country play in Scotland

like sevco, they'd become rangers. they wouldn't be the same club with the same honours, but they'd have the same staff, stadium etc

the fa cup final was played in wales for countless years. there's a scottish team physically based in england, and some teams in england physically based in wales.

the argument you have is only really applicable for a team applying to enter another country's league. that's not what would happen here. it would be an english club moving stadium and changing its branding. it would still be in the league it was previously be in, and it would have gotten there on merit. i dont think it would be quite as tricky as some people think to do it this way

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

plastic paddies? like Aiden Mc Geady who has done nothing for Ireland, eh? It's insulting and abusive to thousands of people and not just the few you are on about

Really so you expect thousands of Scots to be nice to a guy that deserted the country that educated him and where he was born and brought up Aye right

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Helix wrote: »

like sevco, they'd become rangers. they wouldn't be the same club with the same honours, but they'd have the same staff, stadium etc

the fa cup final was played in wales for countless years. there's a scottish team physically based in england, and some teams in england physically based in wales.

the argument you have is only really applicable for a team applying to enter another country's league. that's not what would happen here. it would be an english club moving stadium and changing its branding. it would still be in the league it was previously be in, and it would have gotten there on merit. i dont think it would be quite as tricky as some people think to do it this way

I can assure you it wouldn't be allowed the welsh teams were allowed to join the English leagues due to having no professional league in Wales at the time. As for the FA cup final the English FA rented it from the Welsh FA due to the fact Wembley was getting rebuilt. Berwick Rangers joined the SFA due to the Travell distances at the time.
And finally once again we would not be allowed to play our games at Ibrox FIFA and UEFA have made this clear.

If you think it would be easy get in touch with FIFA/UEFA and the SFA I am sure they will tell you its not on

Coillte_Bhoy

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Really so you expect thousands of Scots to be nice to a guy that deserted the country that educated him and where he was born and brought up Aye right

No, but i was replying to a post that said the song was aimed at plastic paddies who did nothing for Ireland, which clearly is not the case with Aiden. I fully expect him to get a certain amounf of abuse from fans, but i think that song in itelsef is beyond the pale so to speak.

Coillte_Bhoy

Helix wrote: »

like sevco, they'd become rangers. they wouldn't be the same club with the same honours, but they'd have the same staff, stadium etc

the fa cup final was played in wales for countless years. there's a scottish team physically based in england, and some teams in england physically based in wales.

the argument you have is only really applicable for a team applying to enter another country's league. that's not what would happen here. it would be an english club moving stadium and changing its branding. it would still be in the league it was previously be in, and it would have gotten there on merit. i dont think it would be quite as tricky as some people think to do it this way

fed up to the back teeth of this nonsense rearing its head in these threads from people who havent a clue what they are talking about. Do you not think both celtic and rangers have looked into this in some considerable detail?

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

No, but i was replying to a post that said the song was aimed at plastic paddies who did nothing for Ireland, which clearly is not the case with Aiden. I fully expect him to get a certain amounf of abuse from fans, but i think that song in itelsef is beyond the pale so to speak.

He never mentioned McGeady to start with and as much as I don't like the Two line song I know exactly where he is coming from

Helix

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

I can assure you it wouldn't be allowed the welsh teams were allowed to join the English leagues due to having no professional league in Wales at the time

its NOT a scotish team joining the english league or an english team joining the scotish leagues though. it's completely different. it's an english club in the english leagues remaining in the english leagues but moving their home stadium to ibrox. nobody is moving leagues or asking for a transfer from one to the other, they're simply moving geographic location

none of the previous issues regarding celtic and rangers joining the english leagues come into it as rangers wouldn't be moving league at all. an english league team would just be playing their home games at ibrox

that english league team would have worked their way up the leagues and gotten where they are on merit. it just happens that the english league team decides to change its name to rangers, and its stadium to ibrox, and signs all rangers' players. but it's still the english league team, still playing in the english league

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Helix wrote: »

its NOT a scotish team joining the english league or an english team joining the scotish leagues though. it's completely different. it's an english club in the english leagues remaining in the english leagues but moving their home stadium to ibrox. nobody is moving leagues or asking for a transfer from one to the other, they're simply moving geographic location

none of the previous issues regarding celtic and rangers joining the english leagues come into it as rangers wouldn't be moving league at all. an english league team would just be playing their home games at ibrox

that english league team would have worked their way up the leagues and gotten where they are on merit. it just happens that the english league team decides to change its name to rangers, and its stadium to ibrox, and signs all rangers' players. but it's still the english league team, still playing in the english league

And once again I don't care if it was Manchester United they would not be allowed to play there home games at Ibrox as the governing bodies do not want teams from one country playing permanently.

And if it wasn't in my case Rangers they would have no fans anyway

Coillte_Bhoy

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

He never mentioned McGeady to start with and as much as I don't like the Two line song I know exactly where he is coming from

Eh, no he didnt mention him but he said it was directed at plastic paddies who dont care about Ireland. This is clearly not the case with mc geady
who is regualrly taunted with this chant,

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Eh, no he didnt mention him but he said it was directed at plastic paddies who dont care about Ireland. This is clearly not the case with mc geady
who is regualrly taunted with this chant,

It is in Russia

That chant has not been sung by Rangers fans for a couple of seasons now and rightly so as its ****e

Helix

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

fed up to the back teeth of this nonsense rearing its head in these threads from people who havent a clue what they are talking about. Do you not think both celtic and rangers have looked into this in some considerable detail?

i do think they have, and i think they'd have written off the 10 years itd take them to get to the championship as making it a non-starter - not any rules

Coillte_Bhoy

Helix wrote: »

i do think they have, and i think they'd have written off the 10 years itd take them to get to the championship as making it a non-starter - not any rules

precedents
i give up, you think UEFA would stand for it? Not a chance

lubo_moravcik

Mr_Spaceman wrote: »

It's a dig at Scottish plastic paddies who, for the most part, love Ireland and will do anything for the place except visit or live there.

I don't like the 'song' - I'd prefer 100% Rangers songs - but there's a lot worse to get all mock offended about.

Are you The_Keith????

SomethingElse

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Really so you expect thousands of Scots to be nice to a guy that deserted the country that educated him and where he was born and brought up Aye right

What do you mean by this? I assume the McGeady family have been paying their taxes to earn the right to live and be educated in Scotland. McGeady, due to being from an Irish immigrant community, holds an Irish passport and therefore qualifies to play for that country if that's where he feels his heritage lies. To use it as an excuse for fans to sing anti-Irish songs is weak. Would a player declaring for Italy have got the same abuse from Rangers fans? I think not.

lubo_moravcik

Can someone break this down for me?
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Broxi_Bear_Eire

SomethingElse wrote: »

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Really so you expect thousands of Scots to be nice to a guy that deserted the country that educated him and where he was born and brought up Aye right

What do you mean by this? I assume the McGeady family have been paying their taxes to earn the right to live and be educated in Scotland. McGeady, due to being from an Irish immigrant community, holds an Irish passport and therefore qualifies to play for that country if that's where he feels his heritage lies. To use it as an excuse for fans to sing anti-Irish songs is weak. Would a player declaring for Italy have got the same abuse from Rangers fans? I think not.

Look I am not starting this crap again I have said I don't like the chant plus it isn't sung anymore but hey if you want to keep on about it knock yourself out I have said my bit

gnfnrhead

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

And once again I don't care if it was Manchester United they would not be allowed to play there home games at Ibrox as the governing bodies do not want teams from one country playing permanently.

And if it wasn't in my case Rangers they would have no fans anyway

Don't Cardiff and Swansea both still play in Wales despite being in the English system? If its not a problem for them, why would it be a problem for anyone else?

Saying that, this is one of the last things that are likely to be considered by the Rangers board any time soon.

jack presley

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Don't Cardiff and Swansea both still play in Wales despite being in the English system? If its not a problem for them, why would it be a problem for anyone else?

.

There was no professional league in Wales when they joined the English leagues.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

And once again I don't care if it was Manchester United they would not be allowed to play there home games at Ibrox as the governing bodies do not want teams from one country playing permanently.

And if it wasn't in my case Rangers they would have no fans anyway

Don't Cardiff and Swansea both still play in Wales despite being in the English system? If its not a problem for them, why would it be a problem for anyone else?

Saying that, this is one of the last things that are likely to be considered by the Rangers board any time soon.

Jeez how many times Swansea and Cardiff joined the English leagues when there was no professional league in Wales that's why they are playIng in the English leagues it wouldn't happen now

gnfnrhead

I'm not questioning the why. I know why. It was said that Rangers wouldn't be allowed continue to play in Scotland. I simply said that Cardiff and Swansea both continue to play in Wales. If its not an issue for them, why would it be an issue for Rangers if they ever looked to swap leagues? Obviously it isn't a big an issue as is being claimed.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

gnfnrhead wrote: »

I'm not questioning the why. I know why. It was said that Rangers wouldn't be allowed continue to play in Scotland. I simply said that Cardiff and Swansea both continue to play in Wales. If its not an issue for them, why would it be an issue for Rangers if they ever looked to swap leagues? Obviously it isn't a big an issue as is being claimed.

Of course it's a big issue it's been made clear that it wouldn't happen nowadays as Scotland has its own professional league.
It's simple they don't want teams moving from one profession league to another the governing bodies say it would be detrimental to the league set up

The reasoning behind say Rangers playing there home games at Ibrox while playing in the English leagues and what Cardiff and Swansea do is that the two Welsh clubs were in place when the governing body changed its rules so they were given a form of dispensation much like Berwick Rangers still being allowed to play in the Scottish leagues while being an English team.
I can assure you this has been looked into by both Rangers and Celtic so unless there was a dramatic change of policy there they stay

lubo_moravcik

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

Can someone break this down for me?
http://eturnkeysec3340002378c9.users.site2you.com/content/sitenewsreadmore/infobox/news/template/default/active_id/953

No? ok, is it anything like this then?
Rangers had enough paper in the bank to never be in administration but it was forced on whyte. Whyte showed a letter of intent with money in the "bank" but that was money from ticketus held in an account by the lawyers. Duff and phelps should never have been administrators with the conflict of interests and have fleeced near 20 mill from rangers over last 4 month or so. Someone will be going away for a long time if held accountable its fraud on a MASSIVE scale.

Did Duff and Phelps/Collyer Bristow instigate the whole fraud set up?????

Broxi_Bear_Eire

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

Can someone break this down for me?
http://eturnkeysec3340002378c9.users.site2you.com/content/sitenewsreadmore/infobox/news/template/default/active_id/953

No? ok, is it anything like this then?
Rangers had enough paper in the bank to never be in administration but it was forced on whyte. Whyte showed a letter of intent with money in the "bank" but that was money from ticketus held in an account by the lawyers. Duff and phelps should never have been administrators with the conflict of interests and have fleeced near 20 mill from rangers over last 4 month or so. Someone will be going away for a long time if held accountable its fraud on a MASSIVE scale.

Did Duff and Phelps/Collyer Bristow instigate the whole fraud set up?????

If and it's a big if at the moment that it's true and it can be proved then I reckon a few people will be scared in the showers and I for one wouldn't be surprised to find Murrays sticky fingers in there as well

Mr_Spaceman

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Listen mate no offence but looking at your post count your fairly new in here. Theres no point in telling anyone that they won't believe it I know from past experience and I like you would prefer 100% Rangers songs but lets face it I don't know any fans who just sing songs about the club they support

I agree with you.

Of course I don't believe a Rangers-hater is going to be convinced regardless of what I try and explain.

While I'm honest enough to accept what goes with a certain element of our support, I'm not going to let lies and bull**** go unchallenged.

Ideally, I'd prefer not to of course and simply talk football.

Hopefully.

Mr_Spaceman

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

No? ok, is it anything like this then?
Rangers had enough paper in the bank to never be in administration but it was forced on whyte. Whyte showed a letter of intent with money in the "bank" but that was money from ticketus held in an account by the lawyers. Duff and phelps should never have been administrators with the conflict of interests and have fleeced near 20 mill from rangers over last 4 month or so. Someone will be going away for a long time if held accountable its fraud on a MASSIVE scale.

Did Duff and Phelps/Collyer Bristow instigate the whole fraud set up?????

Duff and Phelps were the "chosen" admins of Whyte which set alarm bells ringing right from the off.

At least now that criminal proceedings have started we might - just might - see a few collars being felt.

The whole business stinks. A hell of a lot of money resting in accounts which shouldn't be. And none of them appear to belong to Rangers.

Incidentally, it also appears that Charles Green is having trouble getting a club account established with any of the usual high-profile UK banks.

I wonder why that would be?