Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

Mr_Spaceman

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

Are you The_Keith????

I'm only guessing you're referring to a lurking troll.

The answer is no.

Guess I'll have to earn my stripes into the circle of trust for a while yet

PauloMN

Welcome to the nuthouse, Mr. Spaceman!

Mr_Spaceman

PauloMN wrote: »

Welcome to the nuthouse, Mr. Spaceman!

Yes, I'm getting that impression already!

Always up for a good yarn/debate... especially when it comes to the Rangers!

Savage Tyrant

Mr_Spaceman wrote: »

I'm only guessing you're referring to a lurking troll.

The answer is no.

Guess I'll have to earn my stripes into the circle of trust for a while yet

Not "a troll" KeithAFC was "thee troll"
But alas, you are too articulate to be his Newco The_KeithAFC.

Welcome to the loony factory!

PauloMN

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

Not "a troll" KeithAFC was "thee troll"
But alas, you are too articulate to be his Newco The_KeithAFC.

Welcome to the loony factory!

Where is he gone anyway? Still not coughed up the €50 I guess? :mad:

Jaysus, imagine Bobby had put a grand down on a new Rangers being in Div 3 back then...... TheKeith would have put his feckin' house down on that bet! :pac: :eek:

lubo_moravcik

Mr_Spaceman wrote: »

I'm only guessing you're referring to a lurking troll.

The answer is no.

Guess I'll have to earn my stripes into the circle of trust for a while yet

a wee *cough* handshake will suffice

donfers

you do see the true supporters of a club at times like this

Mr_Spaceman

There's an interesting article in the Irish Times this weekend on Rangers and how their absence from the SPL will affect Celtic.

Just the one factual error where the writer claims Mo Johnston was the first player to feature for both Old Firm clubs. He wasn't.

The use of the 'H' word is rather disappointing though, particularly in the IT. Anyway...

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0714/1224320062369.html

Jelle1880

*sigh*

Why do journalists feel the need to throw in wrong information, to give people the idea that they know about their topic ?

Rangers never played the day after Kennedy was shot, and I highly doubt there would be booing, just because he was a Catholic.

Coillte_Bhoy

Mr_Spaceman wrote: »

I agree with you.

Of course I don't believe a Rangers-hater is going to be convinced regardless of what I try and explain.

While I'm honest enough to accept what goes with a certain element of our support, I'm not going to let lies and bull**** go unchallenged.

Ideally, I'd prefer not to of course and simply talk football.

Hopefully.

thats a reference to my post i presume. So what exactly were the lies and bull**** i posted?

Coillte_Bhoy

Jelle1880 wrote: »

*sigh*

Why do journalists feel the need to throw in wrong information, to give people the idea that they know about their topic ?

Rangers never played the day after Kennedy was shot, and I highly doubt there would be booing, just because he was a Catholic.

ffs dont be so pedantic, he was quoting someone else. And why would there have been a minutes silence anyway?

Jelle1880

It's just a pet-hate of mine, these things are very easy to check and it shows lazyness from the journalist that he includes it

Jelle1880

http://s896.photobucket.com/albums/ac161/listerdigitalphoto/?action=view&current=ParkheadBoardroom.mp4

delos

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

Not "a troll" KeithAFC was "thee troll"
But alas, you are too articulate to be his Newco The_KeithAFC.

Welcome to the loony factory!

However, his inststance on using "The Rangers" instead of "Rangers" now seems strangely prophetic.....

Savage Tyrant

delos wrote: »

However, his inststance on using "The Rangers" instead of "Rangers" now seems strangely prophetic.....

Also prophetic that he was unable to pay his debts and disappeared as a result.

citytillidie

gnfnrhead wrote: »

I'm not questioning the why. I know why. It was said that Rangers wouldn't be allowed continue to play in Scotland. I simply said that Cardiff and Swansea both continue to play in Wales. If its not an issue for them, why would it be an issue for Rangers if they ever looked to swap leagues? Obviously it isn't a big an issue as is being claimed.

Cardiff and Swansea did play in the Welsh FA Cup, but once the league in Wales was set up they were invited to join that league system, they said no and remained in the English League system, since this they were unable to play there 1st time in the Welsh FA Cup

lubo_moravcik

donfers wrote: »

you do see the true supporters of a club at times like this

Times like what? When David Murray initially let everyone know he was selling up and the offer he ended up taking was Craig Whyte's?? Where were Bomber Brown, TBK, RST and other fans groups at this time????

Murray sold them for a pound ffs, one single pound

lubo_moravcik

Do ticketus own ibrokes????

lubo_moravcik

SPL live meeting updates
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/18854240

Broxi_Bear_Eire

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

Do ticketus own ibrokes????

The don't own Ibrokes but rumours abound they own Ibrox though Green has denied this

cruiserweight

Confirmed that Dundee will replace Rangers in the SPL

lubo_moravcik

SPL Press Release ~ 2012 AGM

At today’s Annual General Meeting of the Scottish Premier League Ralph Topping was unanimously re-elected as independent Non-Executive Chairman.

Steve Brown (St Johnstone FC) and Derek Weir (Motherwell FC) stepped down as SPL Directors.

Ralph Topping commented: “Steve and Derek have given sterling service to the SPL as directors and we are grateful for all their hard work and overall contribution to Scotland’s senior professional football league over the past year.”

Duncan Fraser (Aberdeen FC), Michael Johnston (Kilmarnock FC), Eric Riley (Celtic FC), and Stephen Thompson (Dundee United FC) were unanimously elected as Directors of the SPL to serve alongside Chief Executive Neil Doncaster and Chairman Ralph Topping on the SPL Board for Season 2012/13.

It was agreed that the SPL would work with the Scottish FA, SFL and Rangers to facilitate Rangers FC taking their place in SFL Division 3 this season.

It was agreed that Dundee FC would be invited to fill the space vacated by Rangers FC in the Clydesdale Bank Premier League.

DB21

PauloMN wrote: »

Where is he gone anyway? Still not coughed up the €50 I guess? :mad:

He got perma-site banned I believe.

Savage Tyrant

DB21 wrote: »

He got perma-site banned I believe.

No, he claimed he was leaving soon but that he would honour the debt. He did indeed leave, but shirked the money owed. I believe his account is still active though, he's just not using it.

PauloMN

He's around, he's opened a few different accounts since he got perma-banned (he was only perma-banned from AH I believe, but AH is probably his life!). There's no doubt he drops by here for a quick digest on The Sevco FC. Hi Keith! Pay your debts.

And before anyone gives it the "moderator privilege abuse" bit, a quick search on the user name reveals plenty of information in AH threads that anyone can see!

Savage Tyrant

PauloMN wrote: »

He's around, he's opened a few different accounts since he got perma-banned (he was only perma-banned from AH I believe, but AH is probably his life!). There's no doubt he drops by here for a quick digest on The Sevco FC. Hi Keith! Pay your debts.

Ah ok, I was unaware of the perma-ban. It was long overdue anyway.
I've recieved 2 infractions on this site,
1. For claiming sewer rats would disown El Hadji Diouf
and
2. For calling Keith an imbecile

2 statements I continue to stand by.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

Ah ok, I was unaware of the perma-ban. It was long overdue anyway.
I've recieved 2 infractions on this site,
1. For claiming sewer rats would disown El Hadji Diouf
and
2. For calling Keith an imbecile

2 statements I continue to stand by.

So are you expecting infractions again then

ColeTrain

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

Also prophetic that he was unable to pay his debts and disappeared as a result.

Savage Tyrant

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

So are you expecting infractions again then

Sssssshhhhhh!!!! :P

Lawrence1895

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

SPL Press Release ~ 2012 AGM

At today’s Annual General Meeting of the Scottish Premier League Ralph Topping was unanimously re-elected as independent Non-Executive Chairman.

Steve Brown (St Johnstone FC) and Derek Weir (Motherwell FC) stepped down as SPL Directors.

Ralph Topping commented: “Steve and Derek have given sterling service to the SPL as directors and we are grateful for all their hard work and overall contribution to Scotland’s senior professional football league over the past year.”

Duncan Fraser (Aberdeen FC), Michael Johnston (Kilmarnock FC), Eric Riley (Celtic FC), and Stephen Thompson (Dundee United FC) were unanimously elected as Directors of the SPL to serve alongside Chief Executive Neil Doncaster and Chairman Ralph Topping on the SPL Board for Season 2012/13.

It was agreed that the SPL would work with the Scottish FA, SFL and Rangers to facilitate Rangers FC taking their place in SFL Division 3 this season.

It was agreed that Dundee FC would be invited to fill the space vacated by Rangers FC in the Clydesdale Bank Premier League.

Whatever that means :rolleyes:

Savage Tyrant

Lars1916 wrote: »

Whatever that means :rolleyes:

I just read that as an acceptance by all that Newco will be playing bottom tier football this season.

Lawrence1895

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

I just read that as an acceptance by all that Newco will be playing bottom tier football this season.

You could also read between the lines...like helping them generously

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Lars1916 wrote: »

You could also read between the lines...like helping them generously

Exactly in what way would they help ??

Lawrence1895

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Exactly in what way would they help ??

Don't know, but to 'facilitate' sounds to me like offering assistance to someone, who is not used to the surroundings or circumstances'

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Lars1916 wrote: »

Don't know, but to 'facilitate' sounds to me like offering assistance to someone, who is not used to the surroundings or circumstances'

Well we would be in the third a division we no nothing about I get more from it as in things such as paperwork etc would be expedited without to much bother.
I really don't see what else it could be we know the fixture list etc

lubo_moravcik

Oh dear, it just keeps going on and on and on
http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/rangers/111126-rangers-league-place-at-risk-as-scottish-fa-insist-signing-ban-must-stand/

Rangers' league place at risk as Scottish FA insist signing ban must stand


Rangers’ prospects of playing in the Third Division remain uncertain because of a stand-off between the Scottish FA and Charles Green over conditions attached to the transfer of the club’s membership.

STV understands Sevco Scotland Limited is currently unwilling to accept the imposition of a 12-month signing embargo, originally placed upon the club by the governing body on May 11.

The Scottish FA want Green to accept the punishment as a condition of membership transfer, despite Lord Glennie ruling at a Court of Session hearing on May 29 that they had acted outwith their powers in imposing the ban on the club.

An appellate tribunal was told to reconvene to discuss a different sanction from within the rule book. This is currently on hold, with Green having the option to ask for membership to be transferred in exchange for the tribunal meeting again.

The sanctions available to the panel are unlikely to be palatable to the club, as they include the potential suspension or expulsion of the club from the Scottish game, as well as a possible exclusion from the Scottish Cup.

Should Green refuse to meet the Scottish FA’s demands, he will be forced to apply for a completely new membership not tied to the former club.

However, as Sevco Scotland Limited does not meet the financial requirements set down to join the organisation, they would not be eligible and would not be able to play football in Scotland.

If Green accepts for the signing ban to be imposed, Rangers will take up a place as an associate member of the Scottish Football League and will play in the Third Division this season. Clubs must have membership of the national association to play in a league.

Conditions of transfer

The Scottish FA have made clear to Green that they will only transfer Rangers’ membership to his new company if he agrees to the imposition of the registration ban.

If he refuses, the governing body will either transfer the membership but allow their appellate tribunal to reconvene, leaving open the possibility of Rangers either being suspended from the game for an indefinite period or being thrown out of the game altogether.

Should Green decline those conditions, the Scottish FA will refuse to transfer the membership and, as Sevco Scotland Limited do not meet the necessary requirements, Rangers will not play professional football in Scotland at least for the next year.

The Scottish FA also want Green to agree to pay all outstanding football debt as another condition of the membership being transferred.

They also want the new company to take responsibility for any sanctions later imposed by the Scottish Premier League following its investigation into alleged non-contractual payments to players.

At a meeting on Monday, Green told Ibrox employees there would be a “staffing review” following the decision of the Scottish Football League to place the club in the Third Division for the 2012/13 season.

lubo_moravcik

"Green just held a meeting he said :

'' It saddens me to have to announce that there will be major staff cuts being made at Ibrox. It's the only way the Club will survive''

Then walked out.

I'm told it took the staff longer to get in and sit down.

Just been a staff meeting at Ibrox; staff told they are not at present a member of the SFA as they want to impose further sanctions that they are unwilling to accept and that redundancies will be imposed over the next week or two.

As people have been saying, I can't see them playing anywhere next year. Seems like the shut down is on to realise the profit from the assets.

No one wants to see anyone lose their job, that's the **** part about all of this. Who will be the first to go Bears? Backroom staff, coaches, manager, or the tea lady and receptionist??

Pompey Magnus

Pretty disgraceful to continue with the transfer ban, the current club has done nothing wrong and it makes no sense to punish them for the sins of a seperate club no longer in existence.

Jelle1880

How the **** can they try and get that signing ban re-instated, when a court has said that it's not part of the possible punishments ?

Idiots.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Jelle1880 wrote: »

How the **** can they try and get that signing ban re-instated, when a court has said that it's not part of the possible punishments ?

Idiots.

Green has accepted it according to SSN we can replace players that have left but that's it

Jelle1880

Nah, he said that an agreement has been reached, nothing more.

Jelle1880

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=2986&newsID=10203&newsCategoryID=1

Bunch of deluded *****.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Nah, he said that an agreement has been reached, nothing more.

Well if an agreement has been reached and they are not backing down on the transfer ban it can only mean.
One we are allowed to replace players that leave or Two Its starting from Sept 1st which was mentioned before but that would mean we couldn't sign players until Jan 2014

Savage Tyrant

Punishing a new club for the sins of a dead one. I can see why you's would be annoyed.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

Punishing a new club for the sins of a dead one. I can see why you's would be annoyed.

Thats the other thing and the only good thing to come out of it as they are still willing to punish us for this and the EBT's then our history is intact

lubo_moravcik

Re the transfer ban, how are you going to buy new players if you're struggling to pay the bills as it is????

Broxi_Bear_Eire

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

Re the transfer ban, how are you going to buy new players if you're struggling to pay the bills as it is????

For one you are talking about wages a lot lower also we know there will be pay offs among non playing staff also

Its called cutting our cloth
Oh and if we can't sign players how are we supposed to field a team

lubo_moravcik

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

For one you are talking about wages a lot lower also we know there will be pay offs among non playing staff also

Its called cutting our cloth
Oh and if we can't sign players how are we supposed to field a team

:rolleyes:

Broxi_Bear_Eire

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Wow really good answer that explains everything :rolleyes:

lubo_moravcik

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Wow really good answer that explains everything :rolleyes:

What did you want explained? You have no money, and am wondering if you have enough players to field a team. How many players are actually in the newco squad???