Napro experiences

kkcatlou

Just found this thread and finding it really helpful!
Just wondering if anyone has any successful updates from previous posts?
We have yet to ring to make an appointment, but hoping to start with Napro soon. Anyone know how long we'll need to wait for a first appointment?

Hellrazer

kkcatlou wrote: »

Just found this thread and finding it really helpful!
Just wondering if anyone has any successful updates from previous posts?
We have yet to ring to make an appointment, but hoping to start with Napro soon. Anyone know how long we'll need to wait for a first appointment?

Well both of ours were conceived through napro.
As for appointments..ask to be put on the cancellation list.You could get a call at 9.00 am to be there in a couple of hours.If that suits your lifestyle then thats the quickest way to get started.
Hope this helps.

kkcatlou

Thanks a mill!

Rang yesterday and got an appointment for 3 weeks time - could have gotten one for 2 weeks time except I'll be away with work! Was really surprised at how quickly I can be seen.

Any advice from people for the first appointment? And in general, what should we expect to pay out cost wise after the first appointment (I know it's like asking how long is a piece of string...)

Dinkie

KKcatlou - I rang yesterday also and got an appointment for next week!

This is my second time with NAPRO. Was just looking at the dates from my old NAPRO books and I started with NAPRO on 13 September 2012 and had a baby girl the following September 3rd.

I found them great!

I was spending about E80 - 90 a month on things like multivits, LDN (low dose naltrexone) and progesterone etc. The LDN was the very expensive part!! I think they were about E60 a month and could only be gotten at certain pharmacies. They were the extra things. The rest of the prices are on the NAPRO pricelist.

One thing though - its much cheaper to get all your blood work done through your doctor (especially the all inclusive first ones) then through the NAPRO clinic.

Good luck!

stickybean

Just had a quick read of their site there, am I correct that they use alternative treatments (such as supplements and diet) as oppose to IVF, ICSI, IUI or am I reading it completely wrong? thanks

iguana

stickybean wrote: »

Just had a quick read of their site there, am I correct that they use alternative treatments (such as supplements and diet) as oppose to IVF, ICSI, IUI or am I reading it completely wrong? thanks

They work more on diagnosis than treatments like IVF, ICSI, etc. They aim to diagnose exactly what is preventing conception and then treating it with medical precision if they can/will. They are opposed to IVF and anything else that involves embryos being destroyed. But they do have a really good record for diagnosing problems that would otherwise be missed as they apply a painstaking, long-term diagnostic approach.

stickybean

Thansk Iguana, I must look into this, I had assumed they were another fertility clinic, but didn't realize there approach! Thank you for this x

greenttc

Hello,

Just have a few questions and looking for advice.

My husband has very poor sperm morphology ( this is after just one test) we have started supplements etc and plan to retest in april. When you make a napro appointment do they like to do their own tests, so would it be wise to book in with them for retest? or would we be better waiting,do our own retest and go to them with the results?

When starting out I presume you have an appointment with a consultant to see how it may work for you and go from there?

I am a little confused by their new payment/cost model, anyone know how that works or how much it could all cost?

Is weight a significant concern of theirs?

Hopefully someone can answer some of my questions, the rest of the thread has been really really helpful.

Dinkie

Hi greenttc,

I would probably go ahead and make an appointment with NAPRO and not wait until the retest. The reason being that they might suggest their own supplements for your husband to take prior to the retest.

In my experience they are more then willing to go with previous test results / test results from another doctor / clinic ,etc.

Sorry, I can't tell you how much it will all cost - I have been lucky in the past and only need a little help from Napro - and I'm just starting my second stint with them.

Weight is a concern of theirs - but perhaps only if your seriously obese. It has been proven that being heavy can hinder fertility, and for me, I completely believe that loosing weight helped me conceive and keep my first.

Good luck!

greenttc

Thank you for the advice dinkie!

I am hovering over lifting the phine tomorrow to make an appointment so your post is convincing me to just do it

kkcatlou

Hi greenttc,

I only started with Napro a month ago, and they took all my original blood tests. They didn't look for any from my husband, so not sure about the male part of it.
I would imagine they do look at weight, as their approach is all about fixing the underlying issues, and not just the end result (like IVF clinics). To be fair, once you go on the crazy diet, the weight will fall off anyway. I am not having to bulk up so I don't lose too much!

Yes, you start out with an appointment with your consultant. He'll go through your charts, look for anything really obvious (like your husband's morphology) and then straight away start you on whatever supplments or drugs he thinks will work. For us we were given a 2 month TTC ban, but I know a month is more common, while they wait for the supplmenents to kick in and to get an understanding of your cycle.
You will then have to visit a fertility practitioner (a nurse who specialises in the CRMS model). I was a bit skeptical about this, but found it really useful.
You both may also be offered the Fitzwilliam Food Test. I took this the day I was with the consultant and started it a week later. I am off loads (dairy, wheat, eggs, yeast, soy, beans, oranges...) so finding it quite tough, but a good challenge all the same.

Usually you won't have your second appointment with the consultant until 2 cycles have passed. You keep visiting your fertility practitioner and getting bloods done every month in the meantime.

Good luck with it all!

lashes34

Hi everyone, thinking of giving Napro a go, I am on my third OI cycle and they cant get the levels right so thinking Napro is a good idea as I was only ever told unexplained fertility so would like to get some answers.

Some here mentioned a Galway Napro Clinic but I cant find anything on their site about Galway. Anyone know if its gone now and Dublin is the only option?

Neyite

Seems so Lashes, according to this anyway:

http://www.fertilitycare.net/RecentEvents.htm

lashes34

Thanks Neyite, that fairly annoying.

Looks like we will have to move to IVF, don't know what to do.

tmk27

Hi there, The Dr who ran the Galway Napro clinic (Dr Guindon) is now working through the Dublin centre at Beacon Mall.
I could not recommend them highly enough. I had two unsuccessful IVF attempts last year & was told only route for my husband and I was egg donation. I was not ready to pursue this route and was told of Napro by a friend.
We had our first consult in Jan and I found out a few days ago I'm pregnant. I was led to believe by IVF clinics that it was 100% impossible for us to conceive naturally. We had started adoption application, and were working with Napro simultaneously to know that we had exhausted every avenue.
Napro take a totally different approach to IVF clinics. They try to figure out what the problem is, make sure your hormones are balanced properly, especially your progesterone levels, and will medicate where necessary. They also advise a food intolerance test and for me a specialised nutritional supplement which tastes vile, but works!! You're taught how to chart when your peak fertility day is, rather than other Drs telling you to try every other day which is really stressful. They advise it will take up to 6 months to diagnose any problems, correct them & balance your hormones. Then they advise to try for up to 12 'good' cycles, once everything is balanced. From my research their success rate is much superior to IVF, they are a fraction of the price (we spent €16k last year on IVF & accupuncture), they are a lovely team to work with and it seems to have worked for us on our first 'good cycle'. I still in shock that in less than 5 months of our initial consultation I'm pregnant.
I just think it's such a shame that GPs will naturally refer patients for IVF rather than looking to Napro first.

kkcatlou

That's brillaint tmk27 - great to hear such a positive story!
I'm with Napro since January also, but have only had one "active" cycle with them, but am really in favour of their approach, especially when I read here about a lot of what is involved in IVF - and what is missed in IVF treatment. It feels as though Napro seeks to find the cause and fix it, whereas IVF just looks to the end result.

Kantava

Do NAPRO offer detailed scans along the lines of the SIS scan offered by Sims?

Its so hard to know what to do and whats going to work. I have to say Sims were quick to find what was wrong with me so I conceived naturally almost immediately once I was treated, but the rush to IVF so quickly was definitely something I questioned at the time. However all the hormone balancing in the world wouldnt have worked until that large polyp came out.

kkcatlou

Kantava wrote: »

Do NAPRO offer detailed scans along the lines of the SIS scan offered by Sims?

Its so hard to know what to do and whats going to work. I have to say Sims were quick to find what was wrong with me so I conceived naturally almost immediately once I was treated, but the rush to IVF so quickly was definitely something I questioned at the time. However all the hormone balancing in the world wouldnt have worked until that large polyp came out.

Kantava, I've no idea what Sims offer. Basically Napro look to balance your bloods every month, so you take your bloods monthly, and they monitor your progesterone and oestogen, and treat you accordingly. Their bands are much narrower than normal clinics/ doctors. They also treat PMS, put you on a crazy diet that means your immune system is at its strongest so won't reject implantation, and they set you up with a fertility practitioner to ensure you really understand your cycle. They also look out for biomarkers for underlying conditions and treat these when required. And all this is backed up with surgery if required (I just had a lap, dye and hysteroscopy yesterday).
They do scans to track maturing follicles and to track if follicles have erupted.
If pregnant, they monitor bloods weekly, supply progesterone support as standard and conduct scans along the way.

That's as much as I know, but for me, now, it feels like the perfect approach as it's both personalised and softer. And as stated above, looks to the issue before the cure.

Good luck with whatever you choose. We all need to do what's right for us! Napro is definitely slower, so possibly not for everybody.

Kantava

How did they decide you needed the lap,dye etc? Was it through ultrasound?

kkcatlou

Kantava wrote: »

How did they decide you needed the lap,dye etc? Was it through ultrasound?

No, just through describing symptoms. I think they send most people to be fair. It makes sense. I have heard of some IVF clinics putting people through IVF without having done a lap/ dye first, which makes absolutely no sense to me!

ronald reagan

Good morning all,

My wife and I are researching Napro and I was just wondering if anyone can shed any light on what the costs involved are. I have read the price list and was hoping to get a sense of how much they had spent on a 12 month period.

If pm is better for people and just to the nearest 500 would be great

Dinkie

ronald reagan wrote: »

Good morning all,

My wife and I are researching Napro and I was just wondering if anyone can shed any light on what the costs involved are. I have read the price list and was hoping to get a sense of how much they had spent on a 12 month period.

If pm is better for people and just to the nearest 500 would be great

Its really, really hard to work out a figure for it. It depends on what they recommend based on your charts.

I have been with them for 6 months, and I reckon we have paid about E1300 with them. However, this was mainly for initial consultations (I should add that this is our second time with them, so some of the work was done).

This included 2 x consultations with the doctors E450
1 x meeting the practictioner to go over charting (we already knew this, but wanted a refresher). E60
Pillar Preconceive for about 3 months (yukkiest vitamin ever). E137 a month
LDN about 30 a month.
Sperm DNA and mobility E350
Adrenal fatigue about E350 I think
Fertil F vitamin E37 a month
Folicle tracking (only had 1) E60 a visit
Aspirin (for 2 weeks every month)
Pregnyl injections (4 times a month).

There were other things, but they were the main ones.

I should add that as I write this, I am 6 weeks pregnant. I have reoccurrent miscarriages, and this is the first time i have made it past 5 weeks. I have had 3 previous miscarriages prior to this pregnancy.

Mrshopeful

My husband and I are thinking of going to napro, my story is I'm 37 had 1 mc in August, my main issue is I don't want to waste any more time . Since my mc I have been working with a NFP teacher, I had low progesterone but we got that sorted but I have high prolactin so I suppose my question is has anyone been to napro with a high prolactin issue ??
Thanks in advance ladies xx