"Are the Germans going to break down Europe for the third time in a century?"

maddragon

I have only happy things to say about my few previous times of being under Germans.

mikom

BrenCooney wrote: »

Except our problem is that we are still looking for more cheap money and nobody is prepared to lend to us except the germans.

so lets not go cutting of the nose to spite the face and be a bit thankful some body is still prepared to stick with us and guide us on our path to a bit of maturity.

We.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZrgxHvNNUc

El Siglo

We can't compare modern Germans with the Nazis, fair enough. However, there is a much stronger comparison to be made with that of Weimar Germans and the current ones. Mainly that the experience of hyperinflation with quantitative easing that took place in Germany during the 1920s and 1930s has had such an impact on the German mindset that the current situation will not see quantitative easing when it is needed the most (i.e. for indebted EU member states to be able to pay of their unsecured, private, bondholder date accumulated by the French and German banks).

I say, fuck the Germans (along with the French).

mossyc123

mikom wrote: »

Quite similar actually.
Shur the Blueshirts once wore military-style uniforms and greeted each other with the Roman salute.

Yep.

Blueshirts, Brownshirts, Blackshirts... all the one really... apart from mass extermination of course. :rolleyes:

westendgirlie

We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So lets start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
Its true we'll make a better day
Just you and me

mossyc123

mikom wrote: »

"Trickle-down economics"....... more shite

http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/trickle-down.jpg?w=269&h=316

Ha, here's me thinking you linked to an academic journal or somesuch :pac:

amacachi

El Siglo wrote: »

We can't compare modern Germans with the Nazis, fair enough. However, there is a much stronger comparison to be made with that of Weimar Germans and the current ones. Mainly that the experience of hyperinflation with quantitative easing that took place in Germany during the 1920s and 1930s has had such an impact on the German mindset that the current situation will not see quantitative easing when it is needed the most (i.e. for indebted EU member states to be able to pay of their unsecured, private, bondholder date accumulated by the French and German banks).

I say, fuck the Germans (along with the French).

I agree, we should tell them to **** off and we'll balance our budget overnight and switch to a worthless currency causing our debts to increase massively. Woo!

44leto

westendgirlie wrote: »

We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So lets start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
Its true we'll make a better day
Just you and me

When you're down and out, there seems no hope at all
But if you just believe there's no way we can fall
Let us realize that a change can only come
When we stand together as one

Chorus


I just wanted to join in.

mikom

mossyc123 wrote: »

Ha, here's me thinking you linked to an academic journal or somesuch :pac:

They are out there if you want to read them.

Top tip: .jpg rarely equals something text based.

El Siglo

amacachi wrote: »

I agree, we should tell them to **** off and we'll balance our budget overnight and switch to a worthless currency causing our debts to increase massively. Woo!

I didn't say switch to a worthless country or abandon our debt (I said "fuck them", that doesn't mean abandon debt). However, Iceland doesn't seem to be doing too bad and we're going into our fourth year of austerity.

What I do say and let me be crystal on this, renegotiate much better terms for the loan (i.e. half the debt) or default. Either we pay back some or nothing at all and any Economist will tell you that some is better than nothing.

Paddy Samurai

No.I asked my brother-in law(he's german)and he said no.So there you have it,all's well............its official.:)

Coriolanus

El Siglo wrote: »

I didn't say switch to a worthless country or abandon our debt (I said "fuck them", that doesn't mean abandon debt). However, Iceland doesn't seem to be doing too bad and we're going into our fourth year of austerity.

What I do say and let me be crystal on this, renegotiate much better terms for the loan (i.e. half the debt) or default. Either we pay back some or nothing at all and any Economist will tell you that some is better than nothing.

Iceland has several advantages over us though, massive natural rescources that they can sell options on, not to mention they have a huge chunk of spending power that doesn't have to be put into oil/coal/gas every year.

amacachi

El Siglo wrote: »

I didn't say switch to a worthless country or abandon our debt (I said "fuck them", that doesn't mean abandon debt). However, Iceland doesn't seem to be doing too bad and we're going into our fourth year of austerity.

What I do say and let me be crystal on this, renegotiate much better terms for the loan (i.e. half the debt) or default. Either we pay back some or nothing at all and any Economist will tell you that some is better than nothing.

How would you **** them exactly so?

Iceland didn't have the kind of deficit that we need to borrow for.

the_syco

bbam wrote: »

In fairness the Germans have build up their own economy from disaster twice or three times to near super-power status...
Maybe there is something to be learned from their approach rather than the back-slapping, pocket lining inbred politics we run our own country with...

It does give "wipe out the old ways" a new meaning, doesn't it... :pac:

El Siglo wrote: »

However, Iceland doesn't seem to be doing too bad and we're going into our fourth year of austerity.

This the same Iceland whose 60% of it's exports is fish? Not to mention all of the minerals that they have.

=-=

Have to lol @ Greece pulling the race Nazi card...

El Siglo

amacachi wrote: »

How would you **** them exactly so?

Iceland didn't have the kind of deficit that we need to borrow for.

By not paying all of the debt off, by kicking up a fuss, by renegotiating the terms of the bailout (as was promised by Kenny last February), by making sure the EU fiscal treaty goes to a referendum. If we do default, the best we can do is default with the rest of the PIGS (at least Portugal and Greece).

Iceland's banking system was £35 billion in debt, that's about €42 billion. That was £116,000 so €140,000, for every man, woman and child on the island. Per capita, Iceland owed 3.5 times the amount that Ireland currently owes. So, it wasn't a low debt by any stretch of the imagination.

amacachi

El Siglo wrote: »

By not paying all of the debt off, by kicking up a fuss, by renegotiating the terms of the bailout (as was promised by Kenny last February), by making sure the EU fiscal treaty goes to a referendum. If we do default, the best we can do is default with the rest of the PIGS (at least Portugal and Greece).

Iceland's banking system was £35 billion in debt, that's about €42 billion. That was £116,000 so €140,000, for every man, woman and child on the island. Per capita, Iceland owed 3.5 times the amount that Ireland currently owes. So, it wasn't a low debt by any stretch of the imagination.

Again, they could afford to **** everyone off, you seem to not spot the 20 billion or so we need to plug the annual hole in our public expenses. Iceland didn't have that kind of gap so could **** the banks off.

We already got a percent off did we not? I agree the EU could and should've done more so far but on principle if I were in charge I would've done similar to them. Still, they hold just about all the cards as far as we're concerned.

Phill Ewinn

Technical group met yesterday to discuss the repayments. Most of the members would like Ireland to refuse the next €3.5bn pay out.

Why wouldn't we.

flanders1979

the fr ted episode on now is inspirational.

pragmatic1

Yep. Getting sick of dem motherfcukers.

Mance Rayder

The economy doesn't actually exist. As a race we could fix this problem easily by just re-organising how we do things nation to nation, it's just numbers in a database, we could change those numbers, we could fix everything. just like the calander or GMT, we can edit it. It's our creation afterall...Oh sorry i'm making sense again...back in my box.:o

dr.bollocko

CiscoStudent wrote: »

The economy doesn't actually exist. As a race we could fix this problem easily by just re-organising how we do things nation to nation, it's just numbers in a database, we could change those numbers, we could fix everything. just like the calander or GMT, we can edit it. It's our creation afterall...Oh sorry i'm making sense again...back in my box.:o

CCNA is a hell of a drug.

Calibos

dr.bollocko wrote: »

CCNA is a hell of a drug.

Is it a similar educational buzz to a Microsoft Developer Master Architect

i57dwun4yb1pt8

mrman2011 wrote: »

I came across a relatively disturbing article

"Are the Germans going to break down Europe for the third time in a century?".

http://www.reece-eu.net/gallery/var/resizes/funny/thats-the-joke.jpg

Elmer Blooker

bbam wrote: »

In fairness the Germans have build up their own economy from disaster twice or three times to near super-power status...

not entirely true, the US poured millions into rebuilding Germany after WW2 and they didn't have to pay it back like we have to!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

Mance Rayder

dr.bollocko wrote: »

CCNA is a hell of a drug.

Don't make me go upside yo head!
You think thats good you should try score yourself some FETAC.

Mad stuff, People say its a gateway to harder stuff like BA and Bsc but thats all hype man!:cool:

cafecreme

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

not entirely true, the US poured millions into rebuilding Germany after WW2 and they didn't have to pay it back like we have to!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

Not to mention the crippling reparations they were forced to pay after WW1 largely created the hyperinflation and depression that allowed the Nazis to capture the public imagination, they went from a minority party with a few loonies to the the madness of the third reich within a few short years with just a charismatic leader and a PR mastermind and the right economic conditions.

.....and judging by the amount of bile and ignorance expressed on AH if we were ever to see a similar movement here it would be the working class,people on welfare and travellers first into the ovens. Mind you, the holocaust was a triumph of rationalisation techniques, seeing as we barely managed integrated ticketing within 20 years I think we're safe from totalising political movements.

Back ot the Germans, among others, were very happy to throw cheap money at Irish banks at a clearly unsustainable rate, if FF had only had the balls and intellect to poker face the ECB for a significant write off we wouldnt be in the mess we are now and Edna appears to be following the same line. Irish politicians are largely in the game for personal gain, not public service. Not one was prepared to fall on his sword and potentially end his career for the sake of the country and speak out about the guarantee.

Son Of A Vidic

BrenCooney wrote: »

We were on a spending spree.
Needed more money so we borrowed from the Germans.
Now its time to pay back the loan and we say sorry can no do, we're a bit short at the moment.
But we like the luxury life.
So Germany lends us a bit more to tide us over the rough time until we are back on our feet and we can pay them back.

That's you Mrs Merkel isn't it? Now stop the delusion and run along like a good little Nazi. While you're at it, tell your banks we can't keep paying for their reckless risk taking.

billybudd

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

That's you Mrs Merkel isn't it? Now stop the delusion and run along like a good little Nazi. While you're at it, tell your banks we can't keep paying for their reckless risk taking.

He is a nazi because he has a different opinion that you? how ironic.

inagoodway

THE GERMANS ARE SOUND. i infiltrated their domain for 10 years, in the nicest possible way. and let me assure they are friendly to ireland,


they are no better or worse than ourselves,


in fact as an irishman you get a very decent welcome there, and every opportunity


actually as two countries we make good bedfellows

Son Of A Vidic

billybudd wrote: »

He is a nazi because he has a different opinion that you? how ironic.

Ironic how you can totally miss the point and the context of my post. So I suggest you look up the meaning of context, because it might actually enlighten you.

billybudd

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Ironic how you can totally miss the point and the context of my post. So I suggest you look up the meaning of context, because it might actually enlighten you.

:rolleyes:

Son Of A Vidic

billybudd wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Ah bless, still not getting it I see. Yet I'm not surprised somehow.

blackdog2

Germany has relied on the inflows of money created following fiscal unity. It wouldn't have been half as successful, and the rest of Europe would not have seen half of the current hardships, had they still had control of their own monetary policies

sandmanporto

mrman2011 wrote: »

I came across a relatively disturbing article today on Reuters regarding the state of German-Greece political relations. What really got to me was a statement from an anonymous senior Italian government official, who posed the simple question:

"Are the Germans going to break down Europe for the third time in a century?".

Considering the recent riots in Greece as a result of harsh austerity measures, in addition to German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble calling for a postponing of Greek elections in April, does anybody support the notion that Germany may be instrumental in the breaking down of Europe for the third time in a century?

Link to article: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/16/us-greece-germany-idUSTRE81F1G720120216

wrong forum buddy all you will get here is idiotic replies but I think Europe (The European Union) is spiralling out of control.
France and Germany have the largest control and they call the shots. Imagine being on a train carrying a carriage for every country in Europe. Germany is the locomotive and it that crashes the passengers in the carriages are left stranded.
Ireland has no resources except agriculture. We were fooked without Europe but I believe the situation Ireland is currently in was inevitable

sandmanporto

mrman2011 wrote: »

I came across a relatively disturbing article today on Reuters regarding the state of German-Greece political relations. What really got to me was a statement from an anonymous senior Italian government official, who posed the simple question:

"Are the Germans going to break down Europe for the third time in a century?".

Considering the recent riots in Greece as a result of harsh austerity measures, in addition to German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble calling for a postponing of Greek elections in April, does anybody support the notion that Germany may be instrumental in the breaking down of Europe for the third time in a century?

Link to article: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/16/us-greece-germany-idUSTRE81F1G720120216

wrong forum buddy all you will get here is idiotic replies but I think Europe (The European Union) is spiralling out of control.
France and Germany have the largest control and they call the shots. Imagine being on a train carrying a carriage for every country in Europe. Germany is the locomotive and it that crashes the passengers in the carriages are left stranded.
Ireland has no resources except agriculture. We were fooked without Europe but I believe the situation Ireland is currently in was inevitable

mikom

sandmanporto wrote: »

Imagine being on a train carrying a carriage for every country in Europe. Germany is the locomotive

Poorly chosen analogy.
The last time Germany was in charge of locomotives shipping people from different parts of Europe....... well, let's just say getting to the destination took a bit of concentration.....

sandmanporto

mikom wrote: »

sandmanporto wrote: »

Imagine being on a train carrying a carriage for every country in Europe. Germany is the locomotive

Poorly chosen analogy.
The last time Germany was in charge of locomotives shipping people from different parts of Europe....... well, let's just say getting to the destination took a bit of concentration.....

i was not referring to history!

ToddyDoody

The aliens looking in from outer space see in-fighting between groups in different places on the globe. They find the sheer amount of people more noteworthy , the clear decreasing health of the round planet also of note.

sandmanporto

ToddyDoody wrote: »

The aliens looking in from outer space see in-fighting between groups in different places on the globe. They find the sheer amount of people more noteworthy , the clear decreasing health of the round planet also of note.

i actually question myself for reading that

mikom

sandmanporto wrote: »

i was not referring to history!

You don't say.

sandmanporto

mikom wrote: »

sandmanporto wrote: »

i was not referring to history!

You don't say.

how was your valentines day?

ToddyDoody

sandmanporto wrote: »

i actually question myself for reading that

A bit of perspective delivered experientially. I think this debate is going nowhere.

mikom

sandmanporto wrote: »

how was your valentines day?

Good, but it's not about me, Valentines day is about herself.
Cut some fresh flowers from our garden for her, and cooked a candlelit meal for her.
She was happy out.

How was yours?

sandmanporto

mikom wrote: »

sandmanporto wrote: »

how was your valentines day?

Good, but it's not about me, Valentines day is about herself.
Cut some fresh flowers from our garden for her, and cooked a candlelit meal for her.
She was happy out.

How was yours?

grand. im going to sleep talking here is so tiring.

mikom

sandmanporto wrote: »

grand. im going to sleep talking here is so tiring.

G'night so.

inagoodway

i heart germany (das heisst nicht genau lieben aber, irgenwie finde ich deutschland schoen, so zu sagen)

LH Pathe

Überz Allez through this crisis.

Apanachi

inagoodway wrote: »

in fact as an irishman you get a very decent welcome there, and every opportunity

yep, the Germans really do love us Irish (seriously, once they hear I'm from Ireland they all want to be my "BFF" )

Nothingbetter2d

44leto wrote: »

The Germans are pretty much propping up Europe with their power house economy and going by the thread title they are not getting a lot of thanks.

And coming from an Irish forum who in their history, during WW2 hid behind neutrality when the most evil force in history was running riot in Europe, refused to admit Jewish refugees and our leader was the only one to sign a book of condolences to the German people after the death of hitler. Go Ireland.

to be fair in 1939 we were in no fit state to fight any war.... even today our army is in no fit state to fight any major war.

billybudd

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Ah bless, still not getting it I see. Yet I'm not surprised somehow.

I was rolling my eyes at myself for misreading it, still thanks for the blessing.:rolleyes: