Ireland wastes 70 million on barbarisim

steddyeddy

Soon the irish government plans to spend 70 million on killing badgers to prevent the spread of tb. The methods used are snares which are on a par with animal traps in africa! The animals starve to death slowly often. The thing is this method does nothing to reduce the amount of tb infected cattle! Scotland dont practice culls and they have a lot less tb infected cattle than ireland!!

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0213/1224311684912.html

Tax payers shouldnt be funding this. Ireland seems t have a major problem with wildlife! First the golden eagles now this. Are we to mow down any animal that we dont like?

saywhatyousee

There rodents you get paid by the government for shooting them and mink

mickgotsick

I only go to the barbers once every few weeks

AlmightyCushion

steddyeddy wrote: »

The thing is this method does nothing to reduce the amount of tb infected cattle! Scotland dont practice culls and they have a lot less tb infected cattle than ireland!!

From the article
"since 2000 the number of “reactors” – cattle that have failed the mandatory test for bovine TB – has fallen from 40,000 to 18,500.

The Minister told Independent TD Maureen O’Sullivan that in Britain, which did not cull badgers now but would begin a pilot project in the autumn, the number of reactors had increased from 6,000 in 1999 to 33,000 in 2010."

Looks like it works to me, so good in fact that it is being introduced in Britain.

Phill Ewinn

How much per badger????

biko

So what's your solution then OP?

partyatmygaff

I agree.

The government should cut the haircut allowance.

saywhatyousee

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

How much per badger????

2 euro i think

KeithAFC

I fully support Mr Coveney on this. I think it is very important that the protection beef herds and dairy herds are implemented. Badgers are nice looking animals but do spread TB and it is a real dilemma for farmers. Action has to be taken in my opinion.

Einhard

steddyeddy wrote: »

Soon the irish government plans to spend 70 million on killing badgers to prevent the spread of tb. The methods used are snares which are on a par with animal traps in africa! The animals starve to death slowly often. The thing is this method does nothing to reduce the amount of tb infected cattle! Scotland dont practice culls and they have a lot less tb infected cattle than ireland!!

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0213/1224311684912.html

Tax payers shouldnt be funding this. Ireland seems t have a major problem with wildlife! First the golden eagles now this. Are we to mow down any animal that we dont like?

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

From the article
"since 2000 the number of “reactors” – cattle that have failed the mandatory test for bovine TB – has fallen from 40,000 to 18,500.

The Minister told Independent TD Maureen O’Sullivan that in Britain, which did not cull badgers now but would begin a pilot project in the autumn, the number of reactors had increased from 6,000 in 1999 to 33,000 in 2010."

Looks like it works to me, so good in fact that it is being introduced in Britain.

Hmmm this thread just got interesting...

Lawrence1895

What's the natural enemy of the badger? Apart from us humans?

44leto

I would regard myself as a person who cares for animal welfare and I hate any type of cruelty directed at them. But because our environment is so unnatural the only way to control populations is by culls. They also cull the wild deer as well. Otherwise there wouldn't be a tree left in Dublin mountains.

So unless there is another way it is best they control the badger population by these means.

steddyeddy

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

From the article
"since 2000 the number of “reactors” – cattle that have failed the mandatory test for bovine TB – has fallen from 40,000 to 18,500.

The Minister told Independent TD Maureen O’Sullivan that in Britain, which did not cull badgers now but would begin a pilot project in the autumn, the number of reactors had increased from 6,000 in 1999 to 33,000 in 2010."

Looks like it works to me, so good in fact that it is being introduced in Britain.

research shows that the density of badgers in Ireland is now only 10% of that in equivalent habitats in South West England; and yet, in 2006, Ireland slaughtered 9% more cattle with bovine TB than Great Britain even though the Irish national herd is only 56% the size of Britain's. Even in the north of ireland tb incidence is lower.

steddyeddy

44leto wrote: »

I would regard myself as a person who cares for animal welfare and I hate any type of cruelty directed at them. But because our environment is so unnatural the only way to control populations is by culls. They also cull the wild deer as well. Otherwise there wouldn't be a tree left in Dublin mountains.

So unless there is another way it is best they control the badger population by these means.

We dont need to cull the badger we have hardly any of them compared to most of europe! I agree with culling when needed also but this isnt needed and its costing the tax payer 70 million.

stupidusername

I don't understand why this needs to be done - farmers vaccinate for TB in cattle

dirtyden

steddyeddy wrote: »

We dont need to cull the badger we have hardly any of them compared to most of europe! I agree with culling when needed also but this isnt needed and its costing the tax payer 70 million.

Where did you get the 70 million figure from?

Dr. Manhattan

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

From the article
"since 2000 the number of “reactors” – cattle that have failed the mandatory test for bovine TB – has fallen from 40,000 to 18,500.

The Minister told Independent TD Maureen O’Sullivan that in Britain, which did not cull badgers now but would begin a pilot project in the autumn, the number of reactors had increased from 6,000 in 1999 to 33,000 in 2010."

Looks like it works to me, so good in fact that it is being introduced in Britain.

Do we know for sure the fall is as a result of the badger culling? Over the period of the the fall, have all other factors remained the same? All hygiene, transport and veterinary practises? Were there comparable rises and falls in periods culling v non-culling?

Any passing veterinary epidimiologists able to enlighten?

steddyeddy

biko wrote: »

So what's your solution then OP?

All cattle owners should have a vacination program in place. Look at scotland it works. They have a lot less tb than us.

Ghandee

As long as Bodger gets left alone, I'll be a happy man!

sgb

Badger hair makes the finest shaving brushes, so the only advantage I can see is the cost of shaving brushes coming down

stupidusername

steddyeddy wrote: »

All cattle owners should have a vacination program in place. Look at scotland it works. They have a lot less tb than us.

oh so there's no obligation on them to vaccinate? It's just I know my dad does, so I assumed it was obligatory.

Sunnyisland

dirtyden wrote: »

Where did you get the 70 million figure from?

The badgers bank











sorry steddyeddy.

steddyeddy

Dr. Manhattan wrote: »

Do we know for sure the fall is as a result of the badger culling? Over the period of the the fall, have all other factors remained the same? All hygiene, transport and veterinary practises? Were there comparable rises and falls in periods culling v non-culling?

Any passing veterinary epidimiologists able to enlighten?

Not a vet biochemist is the best I can do for now I know a little about microbiology and Im sure a culling would locally decrease incidence of tb but outside the areas of culling incidents would increase.

steddyeddy

stupidusername wrote: »

oh so there's no obligation on them to vaccinate? It's just I know my dad does, so I assumed it was obligatory.

Yes I have a relation who does to. It isnt only vaccination. Scottish farmers use new farming methods which helps eradicate tb.

steddyeddy

dirtyden wrote: »

Where did you get the 70 million figure from?

http://examiner.ie/business/farming/bovine-tb-badgers-and-buyers-beware-175735.html

Thats what the department spends on tb control.

steddyeddy

So even if you absolutly hate animals surely the fact that were wasting 70 million on this is galling to people.

dvpower

44leto wrote: »

They also cull the wild deer as well. Otherwise there wouldn't be a tree left in Dublin mountains.

But there would be a plentyful supply of free venison.

Dubit10

I wonder do they taste good, the badgers that is not the bankers.

44leto

dvpower wrote: »

But there would be a plentyful supply of free venison.

They actually take them off the mountain when they cull them, but I don't know what they do with the carcass. I would imagine they sell it somewhere.

InTheTrees

I saw this thread and I thought it was about haircuts.

70 million on wasted haircuts?

senorwipesalot

Brits eh!
800 years of tyranny here then this on the poor arabs.
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20070712_british_forces_we_did_not_unleash_man_eating_badgers/

dvpower

steddyeddy wrote: »

Soon the irish government plans to spend 70 million on killing badgers to prevent the spread of tb.

steddyeddy wrote: »

http://examiner.ie/business/farming/bovine-tb-badgers-and-buyers-beware-175735.html

Thats what the department spends on tb control.

Is the €70m what they plan to spend or what they have already spent?.
Is this figure for badger culls or for the TB control program in general?
Is it a once off cost or an annual cost?

The figures you're giving us here are a bit all over the shop.

Dyr

How about we start culling farmers? They've been spreading fianna failism for decades.

Dr. Manhattan

Bambi wrote: »

How about we start culling farmers? They've been spreading fianna failism for decades.

Of all the animals I thought might start the fightback, Bambi wasn't even on the list :pac:

El Weirdo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc1ObUMFWMo

44leto

Bambi wrote: »

How about we start culling farmers? They've been spreading fianna failism for decades.

Bear traps, right beside the slurry pits.

AngryBollix

I prefer beaver.

I wouldnt mind trapping some later

hooradiation

steddyeddy wrote: »

The methods used are snares which are on a par with animal traps in africa! The animals starve to death slowly often.

I call shenanigans on all of this.

AngryBollix

El Weirdo wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc1ObUMFWMo

A trap on the arse is what you get for your TB

gurramok

Too much culchie stuff in this thread, double dutch to me :mad:

SafeSurfer

OP you completely undermine your credibility when you state

Soon the irish government plans to spend 70 million on killing badgers to prevent the spread of tb

and then link to an Irish Times article which does not mention the figure you state anywhere. The 70 million is spent on a comprehensive TB eradication programme, among other diseases, which has been on going for many years and does NOT represent a badger killing budget as you imply. Your post is inaccurate and misleading.

You should change the title thread to Ireland spends 70 million on disease control in animals, or would this not suit your agenda?

steddyeddy

hooradiation wrote: »

I call shenanigans on all of this.

Which part? The snares? Or the method of death resulting from snares?

BengaLover

Look at AU, the government have to cull thousands of kangaroos each year as they are viewed as pests.
I didnt think badgers were viewed as pests here, as you dont really see them round and about.

stupidusername

gurramok wrote: »

Too much culchie stuff in this thread, double dutch to me :mad:

What are you having a problem understanding?

44leto

stupidusername wrote: »

What are you having a problem understanding?

When you start talking about those cow things us dubs are lost. You might as well talk about binomial equations.

stupidusername

44leto wrote: »

When you start talking about those cow things us dubs are lost. You might as well talk about binomial equations.

it's an animal that can get a disease, you don't really need to know anything else.

Local-womanizer

stupidusername wrote: »

it's an animal that can get a disease, you don't really need to know anything else.

I thought a cattle was used to boil water?


:pac:

hooradiation

steddyeddy wrote: »

Which part? The snares? Or the method of death resulting from snares?

The method of death. Snares are used (because Badgers are a] noturnal and b]fucking vicious) but "left to starve?"
Get out.

44leto

stupidusername wrote: »

it's an animal that can get a disease, you don't really need to know anything else.

Its a scary terrifying beast that can eat you, keep them down the sticks is what I say.

Ignore me I am just trolling.

But why are farmers reluctant to vaccinate here. I remember this debate during the last TB outbreak. I don't remember the reasons against.

steddyeddy

SafeSurfer wrote: »

OP you completely undermine your credibility when you state




and then link to an Irish Times article which does not mention the figure you state anywhere. The 70 million is spent on a comprehensive TB eradication programme, among other diseases, which has been on going for many years and does NOT represent a badger killing budget as you imply. Your post is inaccurate and misleading.

You should change the title thread to Ireland spends 70 million on disease control in animals, or would this not suit your agenda?

This year the disease eradication programme will employ 75 staff and cost €70 million — and there’s growing evidence that the money is wasted because badger culling doesn’t work

http://www.examiner.ie/opinion/columnists/dick-warner/end-the-slaughter-of-our-beautiful-badgers-174473.html

From the Irish examiner. 70 million has been allocated to disease control this year alone. Tb is the biggest infectious diseases in ireland so it makes sense that their spending a significant amount of that. My agenda is to prevent pointless cruelty and prevent a massive waste of money on a plan based on faulty science.

steddyeddy

hooradiation wrote: »

The method of death. Snares are used (because Badgers are a] noturnal and b]fucking vicious) but "left to starve?"
Get out.

Are you joking?? How can a badger trapped in a snare aquire food, order take away?