calf dealers

simx

do many of ye buy off them?
ive bought a few of dealers in the past and thought they were very slow to thrive,much longer than the farmers calf,probably due to being bought on say sat. and sold on monday,what do they give them to dry them up? alot of them seem to look like they had scours but look ok the day of the sale,whatever is given to them seems to cork them up in my op,also does anyone get much hassle with viruses in the few days after being bought? do ye vacinate when they arrive?

Sam Kade

When I started selling calves in the mart during the 90's you would see trails of calf scours from the trailers to the pens. Dealers tore the heads off one another to buy them. I don't know what their secret cure for them was because they weren't buying them to die. I stopped selling calves there and went to another mart where it would be an unusual sight to see a scouring calf

simx

Sam Kade wrote: »

When I started selling calves in the mart during the 90's you would see trails of calf scours from the trailers to the pens. Dealers tore the heads off one another to buy them. I don't know what their secret cure for them was because they weren't buying them to die. I stopped selling calves there and went to another mart where it would be an unusual sight to see a scouring calf

surely someone on here knows how dealers do this?
anyone vacinate when calves arrive in yard? and with what?

blue5000

simx wrote: »

surely someone on here knows how dealers do this?

I'm not a dealer but I know that a half jar of colemans mustard given orally
does work:cool:

simx

blue5000 wrote: »

I'm not a dealer but I know that a half jar of colemans mustard given orally
does work:cool:

cheap solution alright-jar of mustard €0.99:D

Sam Kade

simx wrote: »

surely someone on here knows how dealers do this?
anyone vacinate when calves arrive in yard? and with what?

Yogurt milk will do the trick but I doubt many dealers are milking cows to make yogurt milk.

bbam

blue5000 wrote: »

I'm not a dealer but I know that a half jar of colemans mustard given orally
does work:cool:

For how long though?
Just long enough for the fecker to get out the gate with your cash I bet... :mad:

simx

Sam Kade wrote: »

Yogurt milk will do the trick but I doubt many dealers are milking cows to make yogurt milk.

very doubtfull id imagine . . . . much of a job to make yoghurt milk?

Bizzum

A dealer told me his "Trick"......Brewers Yeast!

simx

Bizzum wrote: »

A dealer told me his "Trick"......Brewers Yeast!

how much of it? you must be very in to get tips

Sam Kade

simx wrote: »

very doubtfull id imagine . . . . much of a job to make yoghurt milk?

Simple enough http://www.independent.ie/farming/yogurt-is-key-to-newborn-care-1276289.html

Bizzum

simx wrote: »

how much of it? you must be very in to get tips

Jaysus don't say that:)

I don't know the dose but is saw him giving it in a baby power bottle. He swore by it anyway, but it could be a load of bull!

I will say one thing: When calves arrive the last thing they want is a big feed of milk. Start small and build up!

simx

Bizzum wrote: »

Jaysus don't say that:)

I don't know the dose but is saw him giving it in a baby power bottle. He swore by it anyway, but it could be a load of bull!

I will say one thing: When calves arrive the last thing they want is a big feed of milk. Start small and build up!

ha,if he swore by it,must be good stuff,couldnt imagine any dealers fast remidies to scour being great for their systems though,was that just on its own or mixed in water? be coarse remedy id imagine
we used to give them 1 small feed the day they arrived of lectade

thetiredfarmer

I rarely feed calves the first evening they arrive,but i do leave hay and water with them and feed them about 2 and a half litres of once a day Shine everyday after for a week before moving them up to 3 litres till weaning.

amacca

I used to clean out their digestive system on the evening they arrived with sugar and water

then moved on to a calf electrolyte solution (which has natural yoghurts) in it or water mixed with onken (i think) yoghurt pot (gave this for scour also)


theory with the sugar and water being that they may have been on another milk replacer product and not take too well to the new replacer unless their system is cleared out

and with the natural yoghurt products the idea/theory was that you would be reintroducing or boosting the natural bacteria in their system and getting the digestive system working again


with a sick calf I've had for a while (not drinking/listless etc) used to give a small amount of milk replacer mixed with glucose and an egg for a few days bottled where necessary
+ electrolyte sachet or two

dont know how effective these will be for others or if they are fully correct theories/logic/ ways of doing things but I generally cleared up scours within a couple of days and had minimal problems introducing calves for the first time to whatever milk replacer brands I happened to be using.

simx

amacca wrote: »

I used to clean out their digestive system on the evening they arrived with sugar and water

then moved on to a calf electrolyte solution (which has natural yoghurts) in it or water mixed with onken (i think) yoghurt pot (gave this for scour also)


theory with the sugar and water being that they may have been on another milk replacer product and not take too well to the new replacer unless their system is cleared out

and with the natural yoghurt products the idea/theory was that you would be reintroducing or boosting the natural bacteria in their system and getting the digestive system working again


with a sick calf I've had for a while (not drinking/listless etc) used to give a small amount of milk replacer mixed with glucose and an egg for a few days bottled where necessary
+ electrolyte sachet or two

dont know how effective these will be for others or if they are fully correct theories/logic/ ways of doing things but I generally cleared up scours within a couple of days and had minimal problems introducing calves for the first time to whatever milk replacer brands I happened to be using.

sounds like good logic anyway,what mix of sugar and water do you use?

bbam

amacca wrote: »

I used to clean out their digestive system on the evening they arrived with sugar and water

then moved on to a calf electrolyte solution (which has natural yoghurts) in it or water mixed with onken (i think) yoghurt pot (gave this for scour also)


theory with the sugar and water being that they may have been on another milk replacer product and not take too well to the new replacer unless their system is cleared out

and with the natural yoghurt products the idea/theory was that you would be reintroducing or boosting the natural bacteria in their system and getting the digestive system working again


with a sick calf I've had for a while (not drinking/listless etc) used to give a small amount of milk replacer mixed with glucose and an egg for a few days bottled where necessary
+ electrolyte sachet or two

dont know how effective these will be for others or if they are fully correct theories/logic/ ways of doing things but I generally cleared up scours within a couple of days and had minimal problems introducing calves for the first time to whatever milk replacer brands I happened to be using.

We've done the above except the "cleaning out" idea... wouldn't like the idea of it...

20silkcut

Any of ye ever use that milk shake stuff saw a tub of it in the creamery today. Selling for 40 euro a tub supposed to be the dogs b****cks .

bbam

Into Tesco.
Tesco brand natural youghert for 50cent or so. Give it in milk to a calf with a milk scour and it dries up in a few feeds, natural and cheap.
Even for other scours it speeds up recovery.

simx

youd wonder what profit theyd make off each calf,must pay a nice bit to be bringing calves from the south

easymoney!

simx wrote: »

youd wonder what profit theyd make off each calf,must pay a nice bit to be bringing calves from the south

how much would they be buying friesian bulls for down south what would those poor friesians calves be bought at below 50 euro? anyone know?

moll3

in listowel on wednesday they ranged from 120 to 200 fr bull
250 plus for good british fr
300 aa heifers
350 aa bulls

lab man

moll3, was thinking of goina to listowel next wed for a look what type of quaality suckler cattle there / numbers

moll3

mostly dairy on wed thurs better day for general sale

lab man

sound thanks

Sister Assumpta

We use yoghurt and raw eggs a good deal on calves at home.

I seem to recall some superstition/habit where the egg is broken / smashed in the calf's mouth and given that way. That's how we give it, I can't imagine there is any sensible reason for it.

Some Veterinary practices will make up their own remedies, using clays and things. These can sometimes be quite effective, and cheaper than some of the more refined commercial products on the market (it seems...).

simx

anyone anymore home remidies or hear of any dealers tricks?