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Eircom eFibre VDSL/FTTC rollout – plans to reach 1.6m premises by mid 2016
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stuck on Eircom 6meg here for past 3 years, since then UPC have upgraded their customers about 3 or 4 times and have gone from 10meg to now 100meg. There are still no plans from Eircom to upgrade anyone except those in the largest of towns/urban centres where UPC is already available. In about 3 years time UPC will propably be on 1gb internet and we will still be left on 3-8meg by Eircom, and by then internet patchs/updates etc will be so large that our adsl1 broadband will be the new dialup. We are getting left behind quicker than we can think.
As you can see UPC are already pushing past the 100meg.
The speeds UPC are providing are not super fast they are becoming the new norm.
To be honest Eircom belongs in a the Midband forum not the Broadband forum.
Even for people with UPC in is in their interest for Eircom to pull out their finger and provide some competition to keep prices down.
For people living outside urban areas the lack of real broadband is starting to become a serious issue.0 -
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Just so people know.
1. Eircom have c.1200 exchanges.
2. 930 - 940 of the c 1200 exchanges have ADSL1 'up to' 8mbits. Some only 3mbit max.
3 Of the 930-940 around 400 have been upgraded to ADSL2+ 'up to' 24mbits under the Ngb marketing exercise. Some only supply 8 mbits max owing to equipment constraints.
Finally OUT of the 400 out of 1200 exchanges that were upgraded to ADSL2 eircom intend to further upgrade around 100 of them to FTTx and will not upgrade more than 200 of them. 1 in 6 or thereabouts.
Do remember that eircom still haven't completed their ADSL1 Upgrade Program announced in April 2007 . So don't hang around in anticipation.
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Sponge Bob wrote: »Just so people know.
Finally OUT of the 400 out of 1200 exchanges that were upgraded to ADSL2 eircom intend to further upgrade around 100 of them to FTTx and will not upgrade more than 200 of them. 1 in 6 or thereabouts.
Sponge Bob, it's not that I'm doubting your numbers, but I'm having difficulty understanding the figures (or spin if you like).
According to this source, there are 1.7 million homes.
According to the title of this thread, Eircom plans to reach 1m homes.
According to you, they will upgrade "around 100" exchanges.
Does that mean there are around 1,100 exchanges for 700K homes?
I'm sure I'm misunderstanding something, because our journalists in the Indo or the Times would by now have taken a list of the exchanges and gone to the CSO to get the number of households in those areas, and see if the numbers add to 1 million homes.
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D'Peoples Voice wrote: »According to you, they will upgrade "around 100" exchanges.
Does that mean there are around 1,100 exchanges for 700K homes?
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Here is a handy dandy map that explains some of your questions:
http://irelandoffline.org/2012/03/probable-eircom-fttc-locations-2/0 -
D'Peoples Voice wrote: »Sponge Bob, it's not that I'm doubting your numbers, but I'm having difficulty understanding the figures (or spin if you like).
According to this source, there are 1.7 million homes.
According to the title of this thread, Eircom plans to reach 1m homes.
According to you, they will upgrade "around 100" exchanges.
Does that mean there are around 1,100 exchanges for 700K homes?
I'm sure I'm misunderstanding something, because our journalists in the Indo or the Times would by now have taken a list of the exchanges and gone to the CSO to get the number of households in those areas, and see if the numbers add to 1 million homes.
You're not reading his post correctly. The part you quoted "Finally OUT of the 400 out of 1200 exchanges that were upgraded to ADSL2"
The important part here is that these 1200 exchanges are the ones that are upgraded to ADSL2. I'm sure there are many more exchanges around the country that service homes for telephony service only.0 -
thank you SickBoy, thats makes more sense.The important part here is that these 1200 exchanges are the ones that are upgraded to ADSL2.
Looks like i picked the wrong weekend to quit the drink
I intrepreted Sponge Bob's post as
Eircom having 1,200 broadband exchanges in total-
100 or thereabouts are been upgraded to FTTx
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300 (400 less 100 above) or therabouts have been upgraded to ADSL2+ 'up to' 24mbits
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530 - 540 (930/940 less the 400 above) have ADSL1 'up to' 8mbits.
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The remaining 260-270 to remain with dial-up!
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D'Peoples Voice wrote: »Sponge Bob, it's not that I'm doubting your numbers, but I'm having difficulty understanding the figures (or spin if you like).
According to this source, there are 1.7 million homes.
According to the title of this thread, Eircom plans to reach 1m homes.
According to you, they will upgrade "around 100" exchanges.
Does that mean there are around 1,100 exchanges for 700K homes?
There are 2m homes. It is just that 300,000 of them are empty and also that many of the empty ones never had a phone line.
eircom picked a number out of their holes to sound good. UPC pass around 800k homes with their cable network so eircom had to sound more impressive.
Remember that the largest exchanges are often in urban areas with lots of offices ....not so many homes. Large suburban exchanges do lots of homes of course, eg Nutley or Priory Park or Belcamp or Shantalla or Douglas. I posted the largest 100 exchanges some time back in this thread.
eircom has 2.5m lines attached to their exchanges of which perhaps 1.4m are in service right now.
The smallest 1000 exchanges in Ireland have a combined 715k of these lines (home and business) attached to them.
In other words the top 200 exchanges have over 2/3 of all the phone lines in Ireland connected to them.
The top 56 exchanges alone have 40% of all the phone lines, 1m out of the 2.5m physical phone lines in Ireland, connected to them.
I don't have a business / residential breakdown .
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Sponge Bob wrote: »There are 2m homes. It is just that 300,000 of them are empty and also that many of the empty ones never had a phone line.
eircom picked a number out of their holes to sound good. UPC pass around 800k homes with their cable network so eircom had to sound more impressive.
Remember that the largest exchanges are often in urban areas with lots of offices ....not so many homes. Large suburban exchanges do lots of homes of course, eg Nutley or Priory Park or Belcamp or Shantalla or Douglas. I posted the largest 100 exchanges some time back in this thread.
eircom has 2.5m lines attached to their exchanges of which perhaps 1.4m are in service right now.
The smallest 1000 exchanges in Ireland have a combined 715k of these lines (home and business) attached to them.
In other words the top 200 exchanges have over 2/3 of all the phone lines in Ireland connected to them.
The top 56 exchanges alone have 40% of all the phone lines, 1m out of the 2.5m physical phone lines in Ireland, connected to them.
If that is the case, then I agree with their current business strategy.
The "the top 200 exchanges have over 2/3 of all the phone lines" - makes perfect sense to concentrate on this infrastructure. Sounds like many lines in an urban area and so would not be far from an exchange.
If the cost of capital comes down in the future, then perhaps the remaining 1/3 may provide a sufficient return on capital, but right now, it makes no sense.
You say that the smallest 1000 exchanges have a combined 715K lines, this would suggest that on average, they EACH have only 715 lines. The significance of this is that it would suggest they are very rural.
We know that distance to the exchange can be really important for proper broadband, so why bother updating these lines when people will still not get decent speeds after an upgrade. I don't see what alternative they have, spends millions on these exchanges only to be told by customers that they live so far from the exchange, they can get faster speeds on dongles.
Besides Eircom can (and should) offer low price broadband dongles to people in this areas. So it would only be competing with itself - No 0 -
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ah but that was my point above - 200 odd exchanges sounds a lot, but if they are the smallest exchanges, it probably only accounts for maybe 100,000 lines. Just guessing at numbers here, but if there were 1,300,000 - 1,700,000 lines in total, these exchanges would account for less than 6-8% of the total - in other words over 92% of lines in the country would be broadband enabled. So the numbers don't look as big.In 2012, that figure is beyond disgraceful,
Well it depends on The Economic Value Added (EVA) for such investment. You'd be pretty pissed if management were destroying shareholder wealth (not that they didn't over the last few yearsHow Eircom can justify providing some areas with fiber optic speeds and other rural areas with dial up is beyond me) But ignoring sunk costs to date, starting from now, the question would have to be, will it yield a return in excess of the cost of capital?
Yes you have been paying Eircom for the past 40 years, but you have received the service over that period - did you not?. . . we have paid the exact same prices over the past 40 years
This was the point I was making above, would DSL work for really remote areas given their remote distance. But as To_be_confirmed said, it would if "the lines served by the cabinet are all less than about 1km long" and had "a power supply and fibre backhaul". But if these cabinets have to be powered by electricity, and the lines out of them to be of short length, surely that might involve the investment of an awful lot of cabinets in very rural areas to keep lines short - is there not an additional cost not being factored into by people?and Eircom now turn around and leave us now with dial up ... 10 years after parts of the country were first given Broadband.
I have no idea - perhaps the solution would simply be a higher line rental cost for people in remote areas. They are already paying a higher line rental cost anyway so it was no change anyway 0 -
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