Eircom eFibre VDSL/FTTC rollout – plans to reach 1.6m premises by mid 2016

Capt'n Midnight

A lot of places would have 2 pairs, 4 wires going to them. Spare pair is handy if you want a second line or if the original line fails and can swap over. There'd usually be some spare pairs on the main cables for similar reasons.

Capt'n Midnight

fergus1001 wrote: »

When are they going to fix the plight of people on pair gains ! Sick of the stone age !

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalcolithic

The Chalcolithic period or Copper Age...
...
because it is characterized by the use of metals, the Copper Age is considered a part of the Bronze Age rather than the Stone Age.

mightybashful

Just got efibre fitted this morning. There's a red light over where its says internet on the modem and no internet coming through but the phone can find a wifi signal.
I rang Vodafone but no help as usual. How do I get it working anyone know?

degsie

mightybashful wrote: »

Just got efibre fitted this morning. There's a red light over where its says internet on the modem and no internet coming through but the phone can find a wifi signal.
I rang Vodafone but no help as usual. How do I get it working anyone know?

I can't believe Vodafone did not advise you with this. If this was a new install did the engineer verify operation before leaving the premises? Not a good start!

mightybashful

degsie wrote: »

I can't believe Vodafone did not advise you with this. If this was a new install did the engineer verify operation before leaving the premises? Not a good start!

The engineer was brilliant. No problem with the line. He took a picture of speeds etc but said Vodafone need to sort from there.
VF said it can take 48 hours to activate!!

degsie

mightybashful wrote: »

The engineer was brilliant. No problem with the line. He took a picture of speeds etc but said Vodafone need to sort from there.
VF said it can take 48 hours to activate!!

Ok, don't know why you asked for help here when VF are the only ones who can help you! Anyway, hope it gets sorted....

mightybashful

degsie wrote: »

Ok, don't know why you asked for help here when VF are the only ones who can help you! Anyway, hope it gets sorted....

Can't find a similar thread in the Vodafone section

fergus1001

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalcolithic

Very good only took a whole 24 hours to come up with that

But seriously would they not fix pair gains and gain a few extra customers it doesn't take much like

Capt'n Midnight

fergus1001 wrote: »

Very good only took a whole 24 hours to come up with that

But seriously would they not fix pair gains and gain a few extra customers it doesn't take much like

This thread is about the 1.4m premises eircom will provide cabinets for efibre for. Not all those will get efibre due to line quality and the 40% metric.

Unfortunately that also means there's 900,000 premises who'll have to wait a lot longer

it also means the crews will be fairly busy on the roll out and that's where the money will be going too for the moment , there isn't much profit in having to roll our a new line to an existing customer when you aren't providing them a new service because you can't charge them extra.

AFAIK you may have to go to comreg to get the pairs sorted out if eircom refuse or deny - but don't hold your breath

fergus1001

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

This thread is about the 1.4m premises eircom will provide cabinets for efibre for. Not all those will get efibre due to line quality and the 40% metric.

Unfortunately that also means there's 900,000 premises who'll have to wait a lot longer

it also means the crews will be fairly busy on the roll out and that's where the money will be going too for the moment , there isn't much profit in having to roll our a new line to an existing customer when you aren't providing them a new service because you can't charge them extra.

AFAIK you may have to go to comreg to get the pairs sorted out if eircom refuse or deny - but don't hold your breath

I know I have been stuck on one for years and its really disheartening at this stage I don't hold a grudge against other people getting a better service but I do have a problem with eircom not providing a service at all and trying to charge me the same line rental as if I had the same service as others

draken

fergus1001 wrote: »

I know I have been stuck on one for years and its really disheartening at this stage I don't hold a grudge against other people getting a better service but I do have a problem with eircom not providing a service at all and trying to charge me the same line rental as if I had the same service as others

I have a problem with Eircom that they had a perfectly functioning 2mb line a year ago (and it was working perfectly fine for several years) and now refuse to fix it even though it dropped to 0.4mb or less. My house hasnt moved yet they give the same empty excuses - and worse, say "forget the past" went I point out that it WAS working fine!

murphaph

fergus1001 wrote: »

I know I have been stuck on one for years and its really disheartening at this stage I don't hold a grudge against other people getting a better service but I do have a problem with eircom not providing a service at all and trying to charge me the same line rental as if I had the same service as others

I suppose you could look at it another way. Using pair gains allowed them to provide your property with a phone service in the first place. Without pair gains, it may well have been uneconomical to provide that phone service for all those years.

You'd be happy (presumably) to be able to pay the same as someone next door to a cabinet and getting 100Mb even if you were only getting say 25Mb. Similarly, your predecessors were probably happy to pay the same line rental even though they were "only" getting a pair gain line.

I understand your frustration but I think it'll be long time before Eircom start tackling pair gain lines just so they can provide xDSL to them. There are simply too many customers on normal lines who they can sort out more easily and therefore get more revenue faster.

Capt'n Midnight

murphaph wrote: »

I suppose you could look at it another way. Using pair gains allowed them to provide your property with a phone service in the first place. Without pair gains, it may well have been uneconomical to provide that phone service for all those years.

uneconomical isn't really an issue because of USO


http://www.askcomreg.ie/tell_us/universal_service_obligation___what_it_means_for_your_phone_service.264.LE.asp

As the universal service provider, what should eircom do?
...
use all reasonable efforts to make sure that connections to the publicly available telephone network can send and receive data at a rate of at least 28.8 kbit/s, if necessary by removing carrier systems equipment and increasing the data speed on certain lines,
...
if the estimated cost of meeting the request is less than or equal to €7,000, the person or organisation applying for the connection will pay the standard connection charge. If it is greater than €7,000, eircom will pay the first €7,000 and the applicant will pay anything over this if they want to go ahead with the connection.

NB they have NO obligation to provide broadband (or ISDN) , they just have an obligation to provide lines of a quality capable of 28.8Kb modem. So if the problem is line quality it might help, if the problem is distance or that the exchange hasn't been upgraded then nothing doing

dazdrog

Anyone know how to pull the max attainable rate out of the vodafone HG658c? ive been searching for hours on how to do it

degsie

dazdrog wrote: »

Anyone know how to pull the max attainable rate out of the vodafone HG658c? ive been searching for hours on how to do it

What chipset(SoC) is it based off?

MBSnr

dazdrog wrote: »

Anyone know how to pull the max attainable rate out of the vodafone HG658c? ive been searching for hours on how to do it

I understand you have to use Firefox (or Chrome possibly) and then do something like this
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=85803697
it's right click on page and inspect element and amend entries to get FF to display the hidden stuff.

but do it on the stats page. There was a post earlier in this thread... I think.. That should point you in the right direction...

EDIT - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89602895&postcount=206 mentions it.

dazdrog

MBSnr wrote: »

I understand you have to use Firefox (or Chrome possibly) and then do something like this
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=85803697
it's right click on page and inspect element and amend entries to get FF to display the hidden stuff.

but do it on the stats page. There was a post earlier in this thread... I think.. That should point you in the right direction...

EDIT - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89602895&postcount=206 mentions it.

yeah ive been trying that for the last while and can unlock the menus but it still does not show max rate

Thetruthking

does anyone know hoe to properally unlock the eircom D1000 Modem so I can be superuser and access all settings, I could do it on the old one but have no idea how to on this, I can only log in as normal on this :-(

pg17

Thetruthking wrote: »

does anyone know hoe to properally unlock the eircom D1000 Modem so I can be superuser and access all settings, I could do it on the old one but have no idea how to on this, I can only log in as normal on this :-(

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I think most of the functions are available in the browser interface. Alternatively, if you want to access the command line interface and you can use Telnet to do this.

If you think Telnet is not enabled on your router, first use the browser to log onto the router and use the Telnet Screen to check if Telnet access is allowed and to specify which interfaces allow Telnet access and from which IP address the access can come.

To see the Telnet settings - Click Maintenance > RemoteMGMT > Telnet tab

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I use a F1000 for eFibre and have these commands through Telnet

help
logout
exit
quit
reboot
adsl
xdslctl
xtm
loglevel
logdest
virtualserver
ddns
dumpcfg
dumpmdm
meminfo
psp
dumpsysinfo
syslog
sntp
voice
wlan
arp
defaultgateway
dhcpserver
dhcpcondserv
igmpcmd
dns
lan
lanhosts
passwd
ppp
restoredefault
route
save
swversion
uptime
cfgupdate
swupdate
exitOnIdle
wan
udpechod
tr69c
webstyle
radvdconf
vcautohunt
vlanautohunt
sys
save_default
captiveportal
celld
zyims_watchdog
wanaslan
tr064
wakeOnLan
speedtestIOP
phonetest

I expect the D1000 is similar.

The User Guides are available

D1000 (228 pages) broadbandsupport.eircom.net/download/zyxel/eircom_D1000.pdf

F1000 (359 pages) eircombusiness-wp.s3.amazonaws.com/media/modem_user_guide.pdf

fergus1001

murphaph wrote: »

I suppose you could look at it another way. Using pair gains allowed them to provide your property with a phone service in the first place. Without pair gains, it may well have been uneconomical to provide that phone service for all those years.

You'd be happy (presumably) to be able to pay the same as someone next door to a cabinet and getting 100Mb even if you were only getting say 25Mb. Similarly, your predecessors were probably happy to pay the same line rental even though they were "only" getting a pair gain line.

I understand your frustration but I think it'll be long time before Eircom start tackling pair gain lines just so they can provide xDSL to them. There are simply too many customers on normal lines who they can sort out more easily and therefore get more revenue faster.

Well they are loosing alot of rural customers because of it because people are just using their mobiles why pay eircom line rental when all you can do is talk when your mobile does the same and more

So its in there interest to service people as best they can but they ain't seeing it that way yet

jca

fergus1001 wrote: »

Well they are loosing alot of rural customers because of it because people are just using their mobiles why pay eircom line rental when all you can do is talk when your mobile does the same and more

So its in there interest to service people as best they can but they ain't seeing it that way yet

Just simple economics on Eircom's behalf I suppose.

Capt'n Midnight

jca wrote: »

Just simple economics on Eircom's behalf I suppose.

Well they have a mountain of debt and a finite number of installers so yeah the priority would be targeting the the economically areas first.

Someone may correct me but I'd be resonable sure that a good chunk of the rural customers would come back once efirbre was available, it's not like they are being lost to UPC & co.

bk

fergus1001 wrote: »

Well they are loosing alot of rural customers because of it because people are just using their mobiles why pay eircom line rental when all you can do is talk when your mobile does the same and more

Which financially might actually be a positive thing for them!

Many rural customers probably actually cost them more then it makes them money. They are required to service these customers per the USO, but if these customers voluntarily leave, then it might actually improve their profitability!

Also as Capt'n Midnight says, when they finally get around to rolling out eFibre to these areas, they are likely to win back most customers as 3G is pretty rubbish anyway.

Manc Red

http://pressroom.eircom.net/press_releases/article/third_quarter_and_nine_months_results_announcement_to_31_march_2014/

...

“Our significant programme of investment continued, and at the end of March 2014 the fibre footprint had passed 800,000[4] homes and businesses. We are on track to pass 1,000,000 premises during summer 2014 and 1,400,000 premises by 2016, which will provide 70% of all homes and businesses in Ireland access to high speed broadband. During the quarter, eircom became one of the first operators in Europe to deploy vectoring technology, which enables broadband speeds of up to 100Mb/s. We are starting to see the benefit of our investments with some 103,000 customers already taking up our high speed broadband services at the end of March, representing a 13% penetration of the 800,000 premises passed. Our 4G roll out is ahead of schedule and now covers 50% of the population in Ireland. Our investment in converged billing platforms enables us to be the only operator to offer a ‘quad play’ of services, including TV on a single bill.

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“Our programme of cost transformation continues. To date, 1,747 employees have exited the Group since 1 January 2013. A further 200 employees will leave the business by the end of December 2014. In addition to delivering cost savings, these exits deliver a flexible and streamlined organisation. We have also achieved €100 million[5] in operational cost savings on an annualised basis by the 31 March 2014, three months ahead of target.

During May 2014, we received an opinion of non-compliance from ComReg in relation to procedures regarding the termination of customer contracts. While we remain fully engaged with ComReg in relation to this matter and will vigorously defend our position, we have taken a prudent approach and during the quarter to March 31 2014 made a full exceptional provision of €7 million.

murphaph

The mother got connected (used to be really sh!te ADSL, ca. 6km from exchange) today and it was well worth it. I haven't seen any stats but I don't need to, she got upgraded because I kept telling her that Skype was appalling from our end (we already have 50/10 VDSL this long while) and we Skyped there this evening and the picture our end is now crystal clear, no pixelation any more. Obviously her upload speed just wasn't there under ADSL with that distance to the exchange. She's about 650m to the cabinet now. Grandson very happy!

Thetruthking

murphaph wrote: »

The mother got connected (used to be really sh!te ADSL, ca. 6km from exchange) today and it was well worth it. I haven't seen any stats but I don't need to, she got upgraded because I kept telling her that Skype was appalling from our end (we already have 50/10 VDSL this long while) and we Skyped there this evening and the picture our end is now crystal clear, no pixelation any more. Obviously her upload speed just wasn't there under ADSL with that distance to the exchange. She's about 650m to the cabinet now. Grandson very happy!

what speeds? or what is the point of your post I don't understand why you posted?

jca

Thetruthking wrote: »

what speeds? or what is the point of your post I don't understand why you posted?

He's just saying how much of an improvement it made to his life and his child's life after one day, but I guess you know that already and are just being deliberately obtuse. The norm for this site.

Danny Boy

Thetruthking wrote: »

what speeds? or what is the point of your post I don't understand why you posted?

I really don't understand why you posted

Ah-Watch

Wow some posts can be rude on this site at times. I dont see any harm in someone commenting about how their broadband was bad before but far better since a fibre upgrde! The post was beig informative and no harm. Thanks for letting others know that even if you get 1meg theres hope for better service yet

SpaceTime

murphaph wrote: »

The mother got connected (used to be really sh!te ADSL, ca. 6km from exchange) today and it was well worth it. I haven't seen any stats but I don't need to, she got upgraded because I kept telling her that Skype was appalling from our end (we already have 50/10 VDSL this long while) and we Skyped there this evening and the picture our end is now crystal clear, no pixelation any more. Obviously her upload speed just wasn't there under ADSL with that distance to the exchange. She's about 650m to the cabinet now. Grandson very happy!

There's really no comparison.

1) it's a shorter line
2) it's much newer all-IP technology. The ADSL systems contained layers of ATM technology.
3) the network is massively simplified which should speed up the time taken for a packet to get through.
4) VDSL upload speeds are up to 40 times higher than typical ADSL 500kbps.

So basically you've low latency far higher speed connectivity. Difference is as big as going from dial up to ADSL