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Eircom eFibre VDSL/FTTC rollout – plans to reach 1.6m premises by mid 2016
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TheChizler wrote: »Seems like a plea for us to hold out until they get around to installing cabs in our exchange area (Dennehy's Cross, am I right in saying there's none yet?).
Pretty standard stuff, fibre coming to your area soon, register your interest, big speedometer graphic with a giant '70 Mb' it, and examples of all the wonderful things you can do with this new internet yoke, learning, email, music, videos, and apparently I can use both my laptop and phone AT THE SAME TIME!
Their intended reaction:
Edit: Actually it mentions that "Existing eircom customers can upgrade to eFibre for FREE", which is very interesting...
Brillant.
I assume it says up to 70MB.0 -
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We're actually only 3.8km from Patrick's Street in Cork City, yet there's no UPC and the FTTC is looking like it's going to be a bit patchy. Although, I'm still holding out some hope that another FTTC cabinet will appear near by soon. There's a fairly obvious spot for one, although there's no pre-existing cabinet.
Basically the cable companies never wired our particular area (about 25 homes) because of a blocking neighbour back in the 1980s. Then, because it's low density (50 to 200 meters between the houses) UPC seems to have no interest in running that much cable to catch say 24 - 35 (max if you include other bits) homes.
Eircom's FTTC cabinet's gone at the far end of the street, and the next FTTC cab location is over a km further up. Still early days though as more may pop up yet. It would probably hit about 50-60 homes if it was placed there.
To me though, it looks like a cabinet with about 50 ports would be ideal in a lot of housing estates / developments generally, but one on every road, not just for the whole estate. If you could get it down to blocks of about 30 homes plus some spares, you'd easily have full speed coverage in most places.
If it's just one per housing estate, it's going to need 2-pairs or some other techniques to keep up the speeds.
Hopefully as the price of this gear continues to drop, it might be able to get even closer to customers.
I'd say though, UPC are going to make a huge deal about how their product actually delivers the advertised speed. That's going to be a huge challenge for VDSL if they want to really get high-spend customers. Otherwise, it'll be a second tier product for people who aren't all that bothered.
Hopefully if our line's fairly short, we might come in at sub 500 meters. I know the wiring in the area's quite new, it was completely redone in the early 00s with new cabinets and new ducting with the old overhead network completely removed. They seemed to do a major rewire of the whole area around the same time that the old Wellington Road exchange switched over to being fully digital in the late 90s. It used to have crossbar service on 021 450 XXXX and AXE Digital on 021 455 XXXX. You could actually request a digitally switched line if you particularly wanted one from sometime in the early 90s apparently. If you didn't specify, you got whatever the engineer felt like on the day
At one stage we'd a business line and a residential line in the house. The business line was digitally switched and the residential line was on the old crossbar ARF switch. Only difference was one didn't do voicemail / call diversion and if you made a call on it, after you tone-dialled the number it would make a ticking noise for about 5 or 6 seconds then clunk and connect you, where as the business line worked in the normal modern way.
So it's likely to be good quality copper, given it's pretty much new stuff.
At present we get about 13mbit/s on up-to-24mbit/s ADSL2+ with Smart. It's a 3.5km route to the exchange (as the crow flies, the cables could be a lot longer, in fact, I suspect they are as they seem to take the most indirect route via a cabinet at the opposite end of the street from the direction the exchange is in, looping back on themselves, so it could be more like 6 or 7km)
I know when we tried faster profiles on the line with Smart, the connection became quite unstable, especially when we tried a 1mbit/s upload speed. So, we dropped back to a remedial profile which seems very stable, but maxes out at 13-14mbit/s down and 512kbps up.
The line coming into the house seems to have 3 pairs btw. The original wiring was damaged and replaced. The old wiring was like 2-core zip-cord type stuff, new wiring seems more like proper twisted pairs. (Crosses the garden to a pole and disappears underground)
We'll probably subscribe to it (assuming the caps and price are good) and see how it goes. Hopefully, it picks up a decent speed from the cab.0 -
We're actually only 3.8km from Patrick's Street in Cork City, yet there's no UPC and the FTTC is looking like it's going to be a bit patchy. Although, I'm still holding out some hope that another FTTC cabinet will appear near by soon. There's a fairly obvious spot for one, although there's no pre-existing cabinet.
Basically the cable companies never wired our particular area (about 25 homes) because of a blocking neighbour back in the 1980s. Then, because it's low density (50 to 200 meters between the houses) UPC seems to have no interest in running that much cable to catch say 24 - 35 (max if you include other bits) homes.
Eircom's FTTC cabinet's gone at the far end of the street, and the next FTTC cab location is over a km further up. Still early days though as more may pop up yet. It would probably hit about 50-60 homes if it was placed there.
To me though, it looks like a cabinet with about 50 ports would be ideal in a lot of housing estates / developments generally, but one on every road, not just for the whole estate. If you could get it down to blocks of about 30 homes plus some spares, you'd easily have full speed coverage in most places.
If it's just one per housing estate, it's going to need 2-pairs or some other techniques to keep up the speeds.
Hopefully as the price of this gear continues to drop, it might be able to get even closer to customers.
I'd say though, UPC are going to make a huge deal about how their product actually delivers the advertised speed. That's going to be a huge challenge for VDSL if they want to really get high-spend customers. Otherwise, it'll be a second tier product for people who aren't all that bothered.
Hopefully if our line's fairly short, we might come in at sub 500 meters. I know the wiring in the area's quite new, it was completely redone in the early 00s with new cabinets and new ducting with the old overhead network completely removed. They seemed to do a major rewire of the whole area around the same time that the old Wellington Road exchange switched over to being fully digital in the late 90s. It used to have crossbar service on 021 450 XXXX and AXE Digital on 021 455 XXXX. You could actually request a digitally switched line if you particularly wanted one from sometime in the early 90s apparently. If you didn't specify, you got whatever the engineer felt like on the day
At one stage we'd a business line and a residential line in the house. The business line was digitally switched and the residential line was on the old crossbar ARF switch. Only difference was one didn't do voicemail / call diversion and if you made a call on it, after you tone-dialled the number it would make a ticking noise for about 5 or 6 seconds then clunk and connect you, where as the business line worked in the normal modern way.
So it's likely to be good quality copper, given it's pretty much new stuff.
At present we get about 13mbit/s on up-to-24mbit/s ADSL2+ with Smart. It's a 3.5km route to the exchange (as the crow flies, the cables could be a lot longer, in fact, I suspect they are as they seem to take the most indirect route via a cabinet at the opposite end of the street from the direction the exchange is in, looping back on themselves, so it could be more like 6 or 7km)
I know when we tried faster profiles on the line with Smart, the connection became quite unstable, especially when we tried a 1mbit/s upload speed. So, we dropped back to a remedial profile which seems very stable, but maxes out at 13-14mbit/s down and 512kbps up.
The line coming into the house seems to have 3 pairs btw. The original wiring was damaged and replaced. The old wiring was like 2-core zip-cord type stuff, new wiring seems more like proper twisted pairs. (Crosses the garden to a pole and disappears underground)
We'll probably subscribe to it (assuming the caps and price are good) and see how it goes. Hopefully, it picks up a decent speed from the cab.
I'm sure when they look at it, hitting 50-60 homes is not worth it. 5 could be empty. Half may be happy with current adsl2+ speeds (especially if ye are all receiving 10m/bit +), another set of houses may not use a landline at all, instead using mobile broadband. A few houses may not be able to afford it in current economic circumstances. So maybe 15 houses may request the newer product. I hope I'm wrong for you though!
I spoke to UPC about our estate, which has 300 houses, all estates surrounding us are UPC enabled, so cables are around. And even with that number, it's not worth cabling us up. Now we will be served by one cabinet, which could be 1km from me or 250 metres.0 -
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So should I add these?
Make sure the description contains the word "planned", try getting a full list off the roads section in Dublin Corporation perhaps and make it easier for yourself. These are not normal planning applications but consents to squat bits of pavement I think, note the relevant section and act on a notice as someone will deal with eg "Section 204(b) applications" in that place 0 -
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I had an Eircom reseller call to the door last night (in Moate, co. Westmeath) telling me that fibre would be available in Moate in April, but I would only be able to get it if I was already signed up with Eircom.
Never believe anyone at the door, they lie as standard.
eircom put fibre into Moate about 1989 or so. The most they will do for Moate in 2013 is a possible NGB upgrade which means every reseller gets to resell the same packages as eircom.
More than likely the salesman plain lied. BUT you can ask if Moate is getting NGB in 2013 (modern fibre backhaul not VDSL) here0
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