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Brief update:
House move complete, and calf muscles are behaving themselves again, after lots of rest and a few short runs, two weeks to race day and I've missed a fair whack of training. I did a quickish 11km last night to roughly gauge where I'm at, and I'm going to run 26km or so this evening to see how my endurance is. I've obviously lost some fitness, and I'll reset my time goal accordingly. The next two weeks are about hitting my sessions and making the start line in one piece! I'm disappointed that I haven't been able to follow the programme through to the end as I would have liked, but I am where I am, and I'll cut my cloth accordingly. I've learned loads following PhD, and perhaps moreso by going into it half cocked (i.e. by not having a suitable base, which really told two-thirds into the programme). Looking forward to my first marathon, and apply what I've learned to my second. Roll on Monday week!
11/5: 16.83km in 1:32:47
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LOL, nice mental image! Best of luck on Monday Scriba, i'm sure you're nervous having missed a few runs, but it seems like you have enough hard work done to get you round. The enforced rest may even have helped!
More importantly, are you coming for a drink in The Woodford afterwards?
Thanks ncmc! I'm considering it, we might be heading to a bbq that afternoon, so it depends on when that kicks off. There'll be a seat and footstool with my name on it there. But I'd love to pop in and meet a few heads, if I'm able. 0 -
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Pageant Messiah wrote: »Best wishes for Monday mate.
Sound PM, delighted to see things going well too on your own log. Don't get too attached to the wheels though, there's unfinished business on the roads yet. 0 -
Sound PM, delighted to see things going well too on your own log. Don't get too attached to the wheels though, there's unfinished business on the roads yet.
Cheers plenty of unfinished business !
Wheels are purely a means to an end !
Am not allowed run 2 days back to back until I get a bit (lot???
) more weight off. Reckon in hindsight upping the mileage too soon and carrying too much weight is what caused the injury last year. Cycling every second day is just burning extra calories off and of course getting the lungs used to working harder it's been tougher than I thought to get back into it tbh but it's starting to gel now. 0 -
Pageant Messiah wrote: »Reckon in hindsight upping the mileage too soon and carrying too much weight is what caused the injury last year.
I hear you on that. Doing P&D this year was an eye-opener for me, in hindsight it was a bit more than I could handle. I'll manage it better next time (albeit I may tweak it a little). The one thing I learned is that you don't know you're doing, or that you have done, too much until well after you've done it.Cycling every second day is just burning extra calories off and of course getting the lungs used to working harder it's been tougher than I thought to get back into it tbh but it's starting to gel now.
Great to hear. I think once you get the lungs used to hard breathing, everything clicks into place. Its the lungs that always convince me that I'm tired, when I'm starting back for the umpteenth time. Once they're behaving, everything's a lot smoother. 0 -
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Thanks Ososlo! I hope running with pacers will take a lot of the psychological stress out of it, allowing me to plod along on auto-pilot to the finish.
I hope you're own running is going well, are you targeting DCM 2013?
Great to have the pacers. Save you having to check the watch every 2 seconds! Autopilot all the way;)
Yes DCM for me this year all going well. Very excited about it and loving the training.
Really hope you get what you want on Monday and enjoy the day. You'll do great:)0 -
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Yes DCM for me this year all going well. Very excited about it and loving the training.
Great to hear! Last I noticed, you were being marvellously sensible and building a great base. You'll be in great nick come October. Having attempted P&D 55 off an inconsistent base, I've really learned the merits of what I missed. 0 -
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Pageant Messiah wrote: »I'm hoping it's a chip malfunction but results have scriba down for a DNF
Ah jesus no hopefully not. let us know if you're okay scriba pls. 0 -
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Pageant Messiah wrote: »I'm hoping it's a chip malfunction but results have scriba down for a DNF
No malfunction, except of the physiological variety. Had to bail out at the top of Hartlands Ave (19.x miles in). My right calf and leg finally locked up, preventing even a run-walk-hobble to the finish. I was also massively dehydrated, and nauseous from the heat, so I called it. I'll give a full (or 19/26ths) of a report tomorrow. Not an ideal first marathon, but I'll be back for many more yet. It was always going to require a lot of things to go well: I had to work way too hard in the heat to get to 16 miles on time anyway, so maybe the constant cramp did me a favour.
Thanks for all the well-wishing beforehand and the concern after, everyone! It means a lot! I had a lovely afternoon once I got the temp down and fully rehydrated, nursed a beer and a couple of burgers out my back garden, and did my stretching. 2 weeks rest and then I start again, build a better base, get my leg sorted, and line up again.
It was also great to meet the assorted boardies! Ncmc, Mr. Wiggle, Doc Jewel, et al (I was a bit frazzled and missed the other names!), see you again!0 -
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Sorry to hear that scriba but delighted you seem to have moved on already and made the most of the afternoon You seem to be taking the positives out of it which is brilliant. Great run in those conditions all the same. Am just back in from 5k at 8pm and I really felt the effects of the heat this late in the day. Can only imagine what it was like this morning. 0
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Cork City Marathon 2013
32.02km in 3:19:36 (DNF)
Not the race report I was hoping to write today, but I write it with few regrets. I've truly learned things about the marathon which I thought I knew, but now will never (ever) forget. I was under-trained and physically not 100%, and the marathon found me out.
Pre-race
Got up around 5:45 to make myself a large bowl of porridge and apple pieces, with cinnamon and sesame seeds, and a banana. Drank a pseudo-lucozade sport and went back for a lie-down, to try be as relaxed as possible for later on. Thought about how great it would be to finish, but was worried about the lack of training since the end of April. I hoped that I could make it to 20 miles in 1 piece and then dig in for the end. Got my girlfriend to drop me into town for about 8:10, did a slow warmup jog for about 15-20 minutes and then went to meet a few boardsies gathered by the start line (Mr. Wiggle, ncmc, Doc Jewel, Ecoenergy were the names I grasped, but there were a couple of more people there - I think!) It was great to put faces to names, and hope to meet you all again at a race soon over the summer. We said our goodbyes and goodlucks and went to find our respective pacers. At this stage, I was feeling pretty good, the weather seemed ok. I didn't twig that this could be a humid day at this stage. The gun went, and we crossed the start line a minute after.
Miles 1 - 7 Bank Holiday LSR
These were pretty uneventful, I felt really comfortable at 9 min/mile pace. Chatted to some of the other people on the sub 4 bus, and met a buddy who was also looking to get in under 4 hours. So that helped pass the time. Slurped on a 500 ml diluted bottle of sportsdrink for that first hour or so, and didn't take on any additional water. It didn't feel hot yet, but it started to feel a little oppressive. I found myself hoping for little bits of breeze, and really missing it when it was gone. There was a great buzz at the first relay changeover point on the lower glanmire road. It was at this point that I noticed that one of my nipples had become un-taped. This was a worry! Cruised along though, picking up a 250 ml bottle of water at Tivoli, and in under the tunnel I went. Laughed out loud at the huge "Oggie-oggie-oggie" chant which bellowed out from a runner behind me, and I was in good spirits!
Miles 8-12 Nothing to this marathon lark?
Out from under the tunnel, and up into the warm air. I was beginning to really dislike the closeness at this point, and was getting a little sick of running on the link road by the time we swung onto Skehard Rd. Everything just seemed a little dull, the sky, the road, the terrain. I was looking forward to getting to Blackrock castle, and onto the loop where I do most of my running. My legs were still turning over well, pace still felt conversational, but I was losing a lot of salt. Stopped and grabbed a cup of lucozade sport at Blackrock castle, another 250 ml bottle of water, and turned onto the walkway, towards Harty's Quay.
Miles 13-15 Familiarity breeds... discontentment?
So here I was, turning onto one of my favourite places to run. It was thick with runners, relay and marathon, and I felt quite claustrophobic. I'm not great in crowds anyway, but all of us bunched up felt a little... wrong. Ran along by the water, then onto the old railway line, having joined up with my buddy again. I was beginning to feel the distance in my legs, and the heat. It was good to have someone to chat to. Alas, he chatted about various painful marathons where he had dragged himself to the finish line. I had to tell him he was killing me, so he moved on to talking about training for ironman instead. I did not like this. Water station for halfway came up, and I sent him on, while I stopped to drink more water, squirt some over my head, and replace my cap. I was beginning to hate my cap. I bought it in the expo, but I never usually wear caps. I felt like it was cooking my brain. Restarted again, and saw the pacer balloons maybe 30 meters ahead. I slowly started to reel them in again, as we joined up with a sea of half marathoners on the Marina. I didn't really like this one bit, suddenly it seemed really busy, really crowded and they were all stealing my breeze. I sponged myself on the fly, daydreamed of a bird swooping down to take my cap and return it to me at the finish, and set a target of catching the balloons by Lee rowing club. But I was beginning to find everything much tougher, and my right calf started to give out.
Miles 16-20 A bus with no wheels... or bus
I ran on, getting acutely aware of the distance between me and the pacers. I looked around for other marathoners to latch on to, but I was alone, in a throng of half marathoners and relay runners. I felt defeated, but I reset myself to think of finishing, which I would happily have taken before hand. Ran from tree, to pole, to tree, to pole along the centrepark road. This kept me going until just after the Elysian tower, when I hit the link and my calf locked up for the first time. Hobbled to a nearby pole, and stretched out for half a minute, and started off again. Adopted a walk-run for a while until I got to the turn-off hill, which I walked up, and ran again to turners cross church. More stop-start followed. I had arranged for my girlfriend to be at the 19th mile marker, so I was desperate to make it there at least. I was nauseous, roasted and in a fair bit of pain at this point. I hobbled past the wonderful locals, taking their jellies, oranges and encouragement, before stretching again and jogging up to my girlfriend. I got a huge wave from her and her sister and sister's partner, along with some home-made signs. I was delighted, stopped to chat for a min, stretched again, and took off with new-found determination, which lasted for nearly another mile. Calf completely locked up, and thought about hobbling the last 7 miles to the finish. Thought against it, I was beaten and I knew it.
Issues and lessons:
Had a little while to think about this now, and I've learned a few things. I drank more water than I have ever done during a race (1.5-1.75L in total, and yet I was chronically dehydrated when I pulled out. I need to be much smarter about hydration in future. Similarly, I need to be smarter about running in the heat. I was shivering and sick for about an hour after, cold towels and a luke-warm shower got me back feeling somewhat normal enough to try eat, but it was awful. However, these elements only exasperated what the real issue was: I hadn't done enough training, and my body was insufficiently prepared for the event. I suspected this might be the case beforehand, but I was confident that a) I would learn exactly where I'm at by running this and b) that if things got too hairy, I would have the necessary cop-on to drop out. So no regrets for running it.
With regard to the training plan I followed, I see now that I was struggling to stay on top of it. I think I'll be able to manage it next time, as long as I don't cut corners. That means not considering one 30 mile week as evidence of currently being a 30 mpw runner. So base will be hugely important. When I build that base over the rest of the summer, I will then look at doing the marathon again. It's good to know that the training for the marathon won't have been a waste, however. Just a wee step to far at this point in time.
No doubt other thoughts will come to me over the next week or two. But for now, I'm going to put my feet up this week, and look forward to a few recovery runs next week. I'm going to target a September HM to get my time down to 99:59, and maybe then look at tackling Clonakilty in December.
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Pageant Messiah wrote: »Sorry to hear that scriba but delighted you seem to have moved on already and made the most of the afternoon You seem to be taking the positives out of it which is brilliant. Great run in those conditions all the same. Am just back in from 5k at 8pm and I really felt the effects of the heat this late in the day. Can only imagine what it was like this morning.
Thanks PM. The great thing about boards is that even before I went out yesterday morning, I had a contingency plan, influenced by the experiences of so many runners here, including your good self. I promised myself that if it came to it, I would brave-sir-robin it out of there to live to fight another day. :P Seriously though, I ran until I was on fumes, and I knew then that any more would have been futile, possibly dangerous, and certainly detrimental to me getting back out there any time soon.0 -
Good to meet you this morning scriba,sorry things didn't work out for you today but there will be other & better days.It was a tough day out there for a marathon & as most of us can subscribe to the marathon is a beast of a race.
It also takes guts to say your body has had enough before you end up collapsing elsewhere on the course.
You've a good base built now so after a recovery period hopefully you'll be raring to go again.
You're a mighty man for toughing it out. Great to meet you, and I'll catch you again at a race before long. Thanks for the kind words of encouragement! 0 -
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outforarun wrote: »We should keep tabs on each other over the summer and rest of the year to ensure we get that base built for P&D Take 2. I'm already thinking feet up for the opening game of World Cup 2014 with a sub 3:30 nailed the week before.
Good call on that. Plenty of races over the summer to get stuck into.
My head's already wrecked on picking a HM plan. I want to either Charleville or Blarney (i.e. St Finbarr's AC) HM in September, but I'm in two minds as to what to do. Online HM plans don't have enough mileage for my liking, so I'm thinking of just getting up to ~50kph, varying long runs peaking at 27km or so, with LT/HMP sessions à la 1st 6 weeks of P&D to get me ready. Once I've had a responsible couple of weeks of recovery running of course. And core work... looooots of core work.
Thanks for all the input on this log, it was helpful and motivating, and no worries re: quills. I'll catch you some other day, maybe at the Cork-Cobh later this year.0 -
I know what you mean about the HM plans, a lot of them seem quite low mileage coming from a marathon training plan. Maybe one of the experts here could recommend a good training plan.Good call on that. Plenty of races over the summer to get stuck into.
My head's already wrecked on picking a HM plan. I want to either Charleville or Blarney (i.e. St Finbarr's AC) HM in September, but I'm in two minds as to what to do. Online HM plans don't have enough mileage for my liking, so I'm thinking of just getting up to ~50kph, varying long runs peaking at 27km or so, with LT/HMP sessions à la 1st 6 weeks of P&D to get me ready. Once I've had a responsible couple of weeks of recovery running of course. And core work... looooots of core work.
Thanks for all the input on this log, it was helpful and motivating, and no worries re: quills. I'll catch you some other day, maybe at the Cork-Cobh later this year.
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I know what you mean about the HM plans, a lot of them seem quite low mileage coming from a marathon training plan. Maybe one of the experts here could recommend a good training plan.
I will probably do either Charleville or Cork-Cobh, so maybe I'll catch you at one of those!
I know, I nearly feel like training for another marathon just for the benefits of a half. Slight overkill, maybe!
Cork-Cobh looks a lot of fun, so I'm definitely up for that. 0 -
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I drive out of Cork every day and get the shivers going down by Tivoli towards the tunnel where my hip went. You'd think we were tortured and beaten into marathon running.
Bet you feel good to be back just the same... I'm only feeling like I'm coming right again now too. Took a fair few easy mile runs to get the legs back feeling normal.0 -
Yep, I'll second that, my runs since Cork have been varying degrees of sauntering, moseying, mooching, ambling and meandering! Haven't managed a single fast run and it's not that I've been holding back, literally haven't felt able to go faster then an easy pace. I would think the hot weather hasn't helped. I find it quite difficult to run in the heat. Personally, I'm not going to worry too much about speed sessions for the moment. Want to concentrate on getting the love of running back first!I drive out of Cork every day and get the shivers going down by Tivoli towards the tunnel where my hip went. You'd think we were tortured and beaten into marathon running.
Bet you feel good to be back just the same... I'm only feeling like I'm coming right again now too. Took a fair few easy mile runs to get the legs back feeling normal.0 -
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