Stay classy Gardai - Mod Note in OP

lastlaugh

Seachmall wrote: »

No. Nobody is suggesting the driver was slow.

The point is the Garda did not, or could not, know that the driver wasn't slow.

The Garda did not allow for enough time to analyze the situation to ensure the driver was not mentally incapable of fulfilling his requests in such short a time.

In a hypothetical scenario where the driver is slow the Garda would have clearly overreacted.

It's about situational awareness and understanding all possibilities before taking drastic action.

1:08.

The Garda moves out of his way and gestures for him to drive.
He slowly advances forward as per her request.
The third Garda walks in front of his car.
He halts.

Jesus H Christ.

The bloke didn't do what he was asked to do and was completely taking the piss, the Guard got pissed off and took 'drastic' action as you say.

Good enough for the F*cker.

Seachmall

lastlaugh wrote: »

Well Micky, you certainly have a few supporters backing you up on your point...

While I agree his point is valid and worth consideration I think it's only one of many factors that need to be considered, and personally I'm not sure if it's a big enough concern in this situation.

lastlaugh wrote:

Jesus H Christ.

The bloke didn't do what he was asked to do and was completely taking the piss, the Guard got pissed off and took 'drastic' action as you say.

I'm just trying to explain the point as you seem to have misunderstood it.

Relax.

tayto lover

milehip1 wrote: »

Drivers statment c&p'd from the thred in the motoring forum

"This occurred at lunchtime on Ash Wednesday, 22nd February, 2012, on a small local road, L1202 in Glengad, Co Mayo. This is close to Shell’s haulage route and about 70 metres from Shell’s compound in Glengad. This is a few kilometres from Shell’s refinery site at Bellanaboy.
“You can see that two female Gardaí approached the car. When the third Garda, a man, approached the window, he had his baton drawn before he knocked on the window. After he smashed the window, I got out of the car. The Garda told me I was under arrest. I was surrounded by Gardaí with batons drawn.
” ‘Are you refusing to show your licence?’,” the male Garda said. I thought I was in for a beating.
“When I took out my driver’s licence and he looked at it, the atmosphere changed instantly. They all backed away and suddenly I wasn’t under arrest any more. The only conclusion I can draw is that they assumed I was an outside supporter, from the Rossport Solidarity Camp. I assume that when they saw my name and a Rossport address address, that is what changed their approach.
“So, I was left a bleeding hand from the broken window and with a car with a broken window on the side of the road. I phoned Belmullet Garda station to complain and to ask for assistance. They refused to send anyone.
“Following that refusal, I phoned the Garda Ombudsman’s office in Dublin. They said that as there was no complaint to investigate, they would not investigate until a formal complaint was made. They told me I could make a written complaint or visit their office (which is in Dublin).
“So I felt the best thing to do was to release this footage, so that people can see what life is like on the roads here close to Shell’s operations. This kind of thing is happening to varying degrees every day here. People need to that this is happening, that it could happen to them and that they will receive no protection"

You purposely acted like a prat and deserved what you got.

milehip1

tayto lover wrote: »

You purposely acted like a prat and deserved what you got.

MOI?

Micky Dolenz

lastlaugh wrote: »

Jesus H Christ.

The bloke didn't do what he was asked to do and was completely taking the piss, the Guard got pissed off and took 'drastic' action as you say.

Good enough for the F*cker.

You are that Garda, aren't you?

membersonly

So it seems like the Gardaí just wanted to see his license. I kind of had a feeling that that might be what was going on when they were repeatedly asking to see his license.

I think maybe, just maybe now mind, he should have just opened his door and handed it over in the first place instead of sitting there playing deaf and dumb like and absolute twat.

charlemont

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Yes illegal arrest if theres no hat on.

Legally if you knock a gardas hat off whilst he's arresting you then the arrest is cancelled. If the garda attempts to continue with the arrest then you can actually make a citizens arrest on him for impersonating a garda. Fact.

Wrong, One of the funniest things I ever seen was two Garda hats floating down the river Suir after they had disturbed some girls drinking at Clonmel's famous Green Lane shed, The girls didn't take kindly to being separated from their Linden Village and in true Clonmel style a ruckus broke out and by the time the girls got arrested the hats were well on their adventure down the Suir.:pac:

lastlaugh

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

You are that Garda, aren't you?

I have a lot of respect for the Guards and the work they do.

Thankfully I don't have to deal with anything like the amount of sh!t they have to put up with in my job.

I have zero sympathy for the bloke in the car, or his window!

steddyeddy

hondasam wrote: »

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

For all the Gardai knew, the driver may have been a bit slow in the head department. After 90 seconds, the Gardas action seem rash.

How long would you talk nice to him and plead with him to open the door?
The driver was looking for a reaction and he got it, bit more than he bargained for maybe.

Theres an intermediate between talking nicely to the man and blowing a few blood vessels and smashing a window.

my friend

the driver is an ass

he deserved to be pepper sprayed

hondasam

steddyeddy wrote: »

Theres an intermediate between talking nicely to the man and blowing a few blood vessels and smashing a window.

We really don't know how long they were talking, the video is edited.
If it was just 90 seconds then might be hasty on the garda's part.

steddyeddy

lastlaugh wrote: »

Seachmall wrote: »

No. Nobody is suggesting the driver was slow.

The point is the Garda did not, or could not, know that the driver wasn't slow.

The Garda did not allow for enough time to analyze the situation to ensure the driver was not mentally incapable of fulfilling his requests in such short a time.

In a hypothetical scenario where the driver is slow the Garda would have clearly overreacted.

It's about situational awareness and understanding all possibilities before taking drastic action.

1:08.

The Garda moves out of his way and gestures for him to drive.
He slowly advances forward as per her request.
The third Garda walks in front of his car.
He halts.

Jesus H Christ.

The bloke didn't do what he was asked to do and was completely taking the piss, the Guard got pissed off and took 'drastic' action as you say.

Good enough for the F*cker.

Why does Ireland expect so little from their police force he was supposed to be a professional not lose his cool in under three minutes.

lastlaugh

Seachmall wrote: »

While I agree his point is valid and worth consideration I think it's only one of many factors that need to be considered, and personally I'm not sure if it's a big enough concern in this situation.

I'm just trying to explain the point as you seem to have misunderstood it.

Relax.

You seem to have Zen like qualities I lack.

I'm relaxed now thanks!

He probably had some yellow cake uranium in the glove box for the purpose of making it into some crude sort of device in which to blow up an improvised checkpoint in rural Mayo.

Yeh cant to too careful when dealing with de pubbilik.



Also I do not buy "Sher they have a tough job" shi­te for one nanosecond. They signed up for it. They have to take the good with the bad and act professionally at all times, no exceptions.

If you enlist, then you march. End of discussion.

Zab

hondasam wrote: »

We really don't know how long they were talking, the video is edited.
If it was just 90 seconds then might be hasty on the garda's part.

Where is the video edited? I see no break in continuity.

lastlaugh

hondasam wrote: »

I'm not backing him up, I'm just looking at it from a different point of view.
When someone puts another possibility into the mix you have to think about it.

Maybe he had an accident in his pants and he was really embarrassed about it? He wouldn't open his window or the door cause of the smell that would come out?

If there are any Guards reading this please take this into consideration the next time someone starts behaving like this.

Micky Dolenz

the video isn't edited.Check out the jeep and it's movements.

bleg

****ing hell. If a Garda did this to me I'd have them up in front of the Ombudsman so ****ing fast. Within 30 seconds of approaching the car, the third Garda smashes in his car window for **** sake. I don't think the guy is being purposefully uncooperative, I think he's just a bit slow. You can hear it in the Garda's voice that he is enraged and obviously not thinking calmly, soundly or logically. He personally should have to pay for the damage done to the vehicle and compensation for the injury to the man's hand. He is also obviously quick to rage and I would have to question his competence in dealing with the public. Perhaps he would be more suited to a desk job.

monkeybutter

Micky, you are a voice of reason amongst these facist pig dogs, maybe a few police beatings to the chattering classes would change their tune?

It's a classic case of it's alright till it happens to me mentality.

hondasam

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

the video isn't edited.Check out the jeep and it's movements.

Is that not what was said about the rape one? That one was edited.

hondasam

monkeybutter wrote: »

Micky, you are a voice of reason amongst these facist pig dogs, maybe a few police beatings to the chattering classes would change their tune?

It's a classic case of it's alright till it happens to me mentality.

Who would these be exactly?

monkeybutter

It think it's clear who I am talking about

hondasam

monkeybutter wrote: »

It think it's clear who I am talking about

Gardai have a job to do, it's not always easy. Give them a break.

Zab

hondasam wrote: »

We really don't know how long they were talking, the video is edited.

hondasam wrote: »

Is that not what was said about the rape one? That one was edited.

Oh, right. You've no evidence the video was edited, you're just proclaiming it to be so because some other video was edited.

Micky Dolenz

hondasam wrote: »

Is that not what was said about the rape one? That one was edited.

No idea what you are talking about. Was there a jeep in that one? and wasn't it just audio?

Micky Dolenz

monkeybutter wrote: »

It think it's clear who I am talking about

Who are you talking about?

hondasam

Zab wrote: »

Oh, right. You've no evidence the video was edited, you're just proclaiming it to be so because some other video was edited.

No I have no evidence it is edited but I would not be surprised or shocked if it was.

Freddie59

monkeybutter wrote: »

Micky, you are a voice of reason amongst these facist pig dogs, maybe a few police beatings to the chattering classes would change their tune?

It's a classic case of it's alright till it happens to me mentality.

Yeah.Those pesky guards.:rolleyes: Can you only imagine the sh!t they're putting up with from those hillbillies (and we never see THOSE recordings). 100% onside with the Garda on this one.

(And I am on record as not normally condoning checkpoints). This guy was obviously looking for confrontation.

monkeybutter

hondasam wrote: »

Gardai have a job to do, it's not always easy. Give them a break.

They had their break, and they happened to break a window in this case

It's not always easy to be a copper, you've got to know all the chippers in your area and when they close at night.

It's not always easy, but it is most of the time.

They have standards to uphold and they should do so. If their job is indeed difficult some of the time, was their job difficult in this situation?

The answer is no

Freddie59

monkeybutter wrote: »

They had their break, and they happened to break a window in this case

It's not always easy to be a copper, you've got to know all the chippers in your area and when they close at night.

It's not always easy, but it is most of the time.

They have standards to uphold and they should do so. If their job is indeed difficult some of the time, was their job difficult in this situation?

The answer is no

How so? Have you been seen first hand with what's going on over there? If not then your comment is flippant to say the least.

monkeybutter

Freddie59 wrote: »

Yeah.Those pesky guards.:rolleyes: Can you only imagine the sh!t they're putting up with from those hillbillies (and we never see THOSE recordings). 100% onside with the Garda on this one.

(And I am on record as not normally condoning checkpoints). This guy was obviously looking for confrontation.

can we see your records please? I must see proof that you do not normally condone checkpoints. And can we see any reason that you have for condoning or not condoning checkpoints normally and what it has to do with what you said about the alleged sh1t that these hillbillies would be doing, speeding? not paying road tax? what?

monkeybutter

Freddie59 wrote: »

How so? Have you been seen first hand with what's going on over there? If not then your comment is flippant to say the least.

ha ha, i know, I hear it's blue murder trying to find chipper in Castlebar that stays open past 12 on a weekday

Zab

hondasam wrote: »

No I have no evidence it is edited but I would not be surprised or shocked if it was.

The video is posted. You can watch it again and judge for yourself whether it has been edited or not. Having watched it again I'd be surprised if it was edited. Your lack of surprise is meaningless if it isn't based on the available evidence.

monkeybutter

for the record, I am not a fascist, but I do condone the use of checkpoints when necessary.

Liamario

While I'm not condoning the actions of the guards in this video, the driver certainly didn't do himself any favours.

I have no problem with checkpoints and though the driver made things more difficult than what was necessary, the guards acted more with emotion than reason. Very badly handled on their part.

Tipp Man

Zab wrote: »

The video is posted. You can watch it again and judge for yourself whether it has been edited or not. Having watched it again I'd be surprised if it was edited. Your lack of surprise is meaningless if it isn't based on the available evidence.

The video is clearly edited - since when do conversation pop ups appear on unedited videos.

What we don't know is if the video has had any of it cut out

Zab

Tipp Man wrote: »

The video is clearly edited - since when do conversation pop ups appear on unedited videos.

What we don't know is if the video has had any of it cut out

Okay, I concede the poor terminology but everybody is talking about there being a part missing, not there being overlays. There was no confusion.

hondasam

monkeybutter wrote: »

It's not always easy to be a copper, you've got to know all the chippers in your area and when they close at night.


They have standards to uphold and they should do so. If their job is indeed difficult some of the time, was their job difficult in this situation?

The answer is no

Do they all love chippers, always thought this was a myth.
Based on what we have seen probably not.

ha ha, i know, I hear it's blue murder trying to find chipper in Castlebar that stays open past 12 on a weekday

The chips will be well cold by the time they get out to glengad with them.

Mint Sauce

If the window was broken, why didn't he open the passenger window, why didn't he open the door, why didn't he pull over when the female garda verbally asked him to, why didn't he pull over when the he was gestered to several times?

Why did he respond several times 'I'm going about my business, whats the story?'

Did he do him self any favours? No.

Dyr

irish-stew wrote: »

If the window was broken, why didn't he open the passenger window, why didn't he open the door.

true, but then the gardai didnt ask him to open the passenger window or door either, wouldn't want to be telling an angry garda how to do his job would ya?

Tipp Man

No wonder this country is over run by scumbags - no respect for the law abiding people of the country, no respect for the law, and no respect for the law enforcers

_feedback_

Zab wrote: »

Wow. The quote is actually "it's not every day that the batons come out, but protests are every week day". You should look for a job with The Sun.

Sorry about that. Completely unintentional.

Read it briefly (obviously arseways). Then posted from memory a while later - hence no links etc. Edited the post to remove wrong "quote".

hondasam

Seachmall wrote: »

If you go to 1:29 in the OP's video you hear tapping and "Hold on a second. Hold on! Calm Down" or something to that effect as if the Garda is trying to break the window.

I thought we were looking at different clip all right.

This is the one I'm looking at, this is on STS site.

WallysWorld

Jesus, this thread.:(

It doesn't matter that the guy was looking to provoke a reaction, going on the video evidence alone even if he was he didn't do a whole lot of provoking. As far as I can see he was just a tad on the non-cooperative side, which I fully agree he should not have been, but he was attempting to cooperate and was just pulling into the side when the 3rd guard without the hi-vis walked in front of him.

It took less than 40 seconds for the 3rd Guard to go from nothing to smashing the window and threatening the guy with pepper spray. That is unacceptable.

At no point did he threaten the Guards, and they are the ones who escalated this.

The Guardai are for the most part an excellent force and any time I've had dealings with them whether I was in the right or wrong they have been nothing but professional, that 3rd Guard was anything but.

The reality is when Guards or any authority figures are given a measure of power over members of the public then they have to be held to a higher standard than Johnny Bigbollix on the street.

That Guard let his emotions get the better of him and that's just not good enough when he has power over members of the public, the Guards have the right to expect us to be co-operative but we also have the right to expect the highest standards of behaviour from them while they are in uniform.

nlgbbbblth

The driver appears calm. On the Frontline programme he comes across as a reasonable chap.

On the other hand the Garda in the video comes across as an unhinged, power-hungry and ignorant thug. All that's missing is the grunt and oink.

DEFTLEFTHAND

The clown should have cooperated when he had the chance, he was given ample opportunity to do so. The cops in Mayo have enough to be worried about with that select group of backward lunatics causing mayhem with the pipeline.

MagicSean

If a Garda wants to arrest you he is not going to stop because you lock your car door. Don't know what the guy expected to happen when he refused to obey the Garda demands.

Edit: I also had to laugh at the blatantly incorrect captions.

steddyeddy

Watched the video again and again and have to say I wonder what sort of training that man who smashed the window recieved. He was ill temepered and unable to seperate his emotions from his job.

Saying that the man involved could have been more co-operative and I would like to have heard the whole conversation. Its hard to make a judgement on a conversation we could not hear.

Janedoe10

1 do we all happen to have phones recording just when u arrive at a check point .. ?
2. Way over the top by the guard but driver dragged it out and it also looks guard has a very short temper ..
It can be used on a best practice video for them..how to ask the public to get out of their cars ? Was he planning to pull the guy out the window? Or no the window was for good measure ...

Brings me back to how another guard spoke to my elderly father a few years back during a random road check . . Aggression first ..

Stereomaniac

That'd be cool, if he pulled him through the window.