Petrol prices on the UP AGAIN

dgt

Confab wrote: »

That petrol station doesn't count, it's always at least 8c higher then all the others.

People still buying it regardless!

On the flipside maxol on the Navan road is 1.60 for petrol. Sharps hill filling station is 1.58 for petrol (I'll keep my opinions about their fuel to myself though! )

bumpydog

Seweryn wrote: »

I guess LPG is taxed higher here than anywhere in Europe, but at the moment it is an attractive alternative. I also guess than (unlike in other European countries), if we start using LPG more, it will get taxed badly. Same thing happened to biofuels. But I wish I am wrong and our government will not hammer more tax on LPG .

In the 70's, Ireland was probably the largest user of LPG in vehicles. Over the past years it has been taxed to the hilt and has gradually disappeared from the forecourts. I believe that there are now no Flogas Autogas stations and only a few Calor. Most of their customers are either forklift owners or UK tourists. Maybe with the current pricing of UNL it'll start getting more popularity (but, as suspected, LPG tax will start to increase). It is encouraging to see that at least one more company has started providing LPG conversions here in Ireland. Mountainview Motors in Brittas were the only installers for many years (not sure if they still do).

smash

Makes me sick that on this day 3 years ago the average price was 102.9c compared to 164.9c

When converted to Euro its 1.05 here in outback Oz.
Hasnt been going up and up and up like back home. Price has been fairly consistent the past 3/4 months really.

What about delivery trucks? Everything is transported. Must be pushing shop prices up?

Dartz

Deleted User wrote: »

When converted to Euro its 1.05 here in outback Oz.
Hasnt been going up and up and up like back home. Price has been fairly consistent the past 3/4 months really.

What about delivery trucks? Everything is transported. Must be pushing shop prices up?

Yes.

Which is, incidentally, pushing up the amount taken in VAT. High fuel prices is good for the government.

Markcheese

At least commercial users get to claim the vat back.... Should hgv be able to claim carbon levy back too...... Would help stop fuel laundering.... Keep road transport costs down..... And they use so much fuel that they drive most fuel efficent vehicles they can anyway.....

TheZ

At what price will it start to affect people's driving habits and result in things like

1. car pooling
2. public transport for people who normally drove
3. avoiding journeys
4. move to electric/hybrid cars

Max Power1

TheZ wrote: »

At what price will it start to affect people's driving habits and result in things like

1. car pooling
2. public transport for people who normally drove
3. avoiding journeys
4. move to electric/hybrid cars

Number 3 has already happened

Im about 20-30 cent per litre away from option 1 or 2 tbh

Owryan

ave is €1.61.9 in Carlow, only one garage i know of where its sub €1.60, when i topped up on Saturday , they were €1.58.6.

Worst i saw was €1.64.9

dulpit

TheZ wrote: »

At what price will it start to affect people's driving habits and result in things like

1. car pooling
2. public transport for people who normally drove
3. avoiding journeys
4. move to electric/hybrid cars

1. Can't carpool, nobody who I work with lives near me
2. Would have to get 2 buses to work, and another 2 home. Which would be both costly and take bloody ages, so that's out.
3. Happening as much as I can
4. Ew

Seweryn

TheZ wrote: »

At what price will it start to affect people's driving habits and result in things like

1. car pooling
2. public transport for people who normally drove
3. avoiding journeys
4. move to electric/hybrid cars

5. Cycling.

Point 3 is natural.
Point 4 makes little sens even with fuel prices 2-3 times higher than now. The price of vehicle and its depreciation outweights any savings on fuel comparing to driving a cheap, indepreciable car with ICE.
Point 1 is hard to imagine for me in this country. Peoplea are just too attached to their own cars, but I like the idea of it and it makes a lot of sense.
Point 5 is the easiest and simplest solution for comuting.
Point 2 is for people that do not wish to cycle and have good access to public transport.

Fiskar

bumpydog wrote: »

In the 70's, Ireland was probably the largest user of LPG in vehicles. Over the past years it has been taxed to the hilt and has gradually disappeared from the forecourts. I believe that there are now no Flogas Autogas stations and only a few Calor. Most of their customers are either forklift owners or UK tourists. Maybe with the current pricing of UNL it'll start getting more popularity (but, as suspected, LPG tax will start to increase). It is encouraging to see that at least one more company has started providing LPG conversions here in Ireland. Mountainview Motors in Brittas were the only installers for many years (not sure if they still do).

You couldn't plan anything with this government, continually moving the goalposts with everything. Their latest trick on the road tax revamp has killed off the moter trade.
Won't do LPG again as when I had it on a car in the late 80's there were very few places to fill up and it gradually got dearer.

Merch

jesus, petrol was 157.9 last week at the place I usually go as it was the cheapest, but on my last stop it was already 164.9, now its gone up to 166.9? wtf
Ok I get petrol is going up by the frequency of increases, its not week on week its changing a couple of times a week?

I understand the costs of motoring, I dont usually complain, I dont do much mileage as it is, just venting really
I usually stick with a place until they decide to up the prices frequently, I probably wont have much luck but i need to find somewhere cheaper again.

Bearcat

I'm genuinely frightened at the way things are going......my old mantra of the 2 euro a Litre is genuinely a worrying reality.

RXMPS

TestTransmission wrote: »

Do you mind me asking how long you own your own car, how long you are driving and if you are in full time employment/education?

Why do you need to know that?

Pretty weird for a mod of motoring to be asking that.

Sobranek at least had some idea's.Good one's too, especially for hauliers.

What are yours?

Besides asking people about there age, education, employment, car history:rolleyes:

vetstu

Sure its the equivalent of €1.75 or 1.76 in the North for diesel was talking to boys above last week who couldnt believe it was 10 -20c cheaper down here.

RXMPS

RXMPS wrote: »

..........

Sobranek at least had some idea's.Good one's too, especially for hauliers.

.........

His idea was blocking the N7, M50, M7 and some other motorway on a Saturday.
What other good ideas did he have?

RXMPS

Personally I think no business registered for vat should be paying tax on fuel.

Any business providing employment should have the best environment in place to expand on that.

A governments job is to put an environment in place that allows for the creation of jobs and better services, it's not to create employment, it's to put an environment in place so people can create it.

No tax on fuel for businesses would lower costs and increase employment.

We the workers need to get back to reality.

Like the old days, when managers had good modern cars, workers had 15 year old cars.

Alot of people complaining about the cost of fuel have 08 and newer cars, they would have been alot wiser getting an 99-00 car and putting the thousands spared towards fuel.

Anyone with a modern car complaining about fuel cost's needs to get real.

When it comes to the day I can put fuel in my car, ( it's almost here now ), I will be getting a 99 1.0l Yaris and pocketing a few thousand from the sale of my current car.

Dubit10

Bearcat wrote: »

I'm genuinely frightened at the way things are going......my old mantra of the 2 euro a Litre is genuinely a worrying reality.

2 euro is nailed on by the years end imo it's beyond that i worry. Where will it end? I think we will look back at 2 euro a litre as cheap by 2015.:(

TestTransmission

RXMPS wrote: »

Why do you need to know that?

Pretty weird for a mod of motoring to be asking that.

I'm entitled to ask questions here ,same as everybody else.

RXMPS

RXMPS wrote: »

Personally I think no business registered for vat should be paying tax on fuel.........

Self employed accountants, vets, doctors, physiotherapists, engineers, hairdressers etc etc etc are often businesses registered for VAT, why shouldn't they pay tax on fuel?

RXMPS

RoverJames wrote: »

His idea was blocking the N7, M50, M7 and some other motorway on a Saturday.
What other good ideas did he have?

It's a not a bad idea.

If every haulage company block the motorways and cities the government would have to listen.

I don't see any ideas from you:rolleyes:

Your very quick to knock someone down though, your good at that.Enjoy it.

RXMPS

RoverJames wrote: »

Self employed accountants, vets, doctors, physiotherapists, engineers, hairdressers etc etc etc are often businesses registered for VAT, why shouldn't they pay tax on fuel?

If they provide work opportunities.

Why not?

Accountant can hire a secretary, assistant, vet can hire assistant, secretary, shop staff etc, same applies to doctor's physio's, hairdressers, etc etc.

If they bring employment let them have this perk.

Country needs this.

Dubit10

RXMPS wrote: »

It's a not a bad idea.

If every haulage company block the motorways and cities the government would have to listen.

I don't see any ideas from you:rolleyes:

Your very quick to knock someone down though, your good at that.Enjoy it.

It does'nt matter if the government listen or not they are'nt running the country anymore. You think the troika give a toss about a few trucks parked on the M50?

RXMPS

RXMPS wrote: »

........
I don't see any ideas from you:rolleyes:...............

I see the cost of fuel as an increasing variable

People need to get real, in 1999 unleaded varied from IR£0.62/litre to IR£0.66/litre, so in 13 years it's doubled in price.

Compare salaries, minimum wage etc now to back then.

RXMPS

RXMPS wrote: »

If they provide work opportunities.

Why not?

Accountant can hire a secretary, assistant, vet can hire assistant, secretary, shop staff etc, same applies to doctor's physio's, hairdressers, etc etc.

If they bring employment let them have this perk.

Country needs this.

So businesses registered for VAT who employ people pay no tax on fuel but one man show businesses do?

RXMPS

TestTransmission wrote: »

I'm entitled to ask questions here ,same as everybody else.

Yours was a solicitor question.

Was not very nice.

Trying to make Sobanek admit that he is young, student, with no job as of yet and on first car.

RXMPS

RoverJames wrote: »

So businesses registered for VAT who employ people pay no tax on fuel but one man show businesses don't?

Yes that is correct.

If you don't provide employment you don't get tax free fuel.

It could be a minimum of 3 staff or something.

It would help every industry especially farming and retail ( costs would go down )

johnbobtheslob

petrol/diesel is an inelastic good so no matter what price it gets to people will still purchase it.

RXMPS

RXMPS wrote: »

Yes that is correct.

Fairly daft policy really, a vet in the city who does little miles but who employs a receptionist as most of his customers call in with their pets gets tax free fuel but a rural vet who covers a large area serving farmers etc covering big miles who works predominantly from a mobile phone has to pay 23% more for his fuel unless he runs a commercial vehicle.

Looooooooooooooooney

RXMPS wrote: »

...........
If you don't provide employment you don't get tax free fuel.

It could be a minimum of 3 staff or something.

It would help every industry especially farming and retail ( costs would go down )

Just saw your edit, how does it help every industry? You do know that Ltd companies alreadyeffectively pay no VAT on diesel as they claim it back ? You might actually answer that too btw.

RXMPS

RoverJames wrote: »

I see the cost of fuel as an increasing variable

People need to get real, in 1999 unleaded varied from IR£0.62/litre to IR£0.66/litre, so in 13 years it's doubled in price.

Compare salaries, minimum wage etc now to back then.

I agree.

Alot of people earned more in 1999 though, I know my father did.

TestTransmission

RXMPS wrote: »

Yours was a solicitor question.

Was not very nice.

Trying to make Sobanek admit that he is young, student, with no job as of yet and on first car.

Has relevance, and you saying this to RJ wasn't particularly nice either ,so please stop looking for an argument.

RXMPS wrote: »

Your very quick to knock someone down though, your good at that.Enjoy it.

RXMPS

RoverJames wrote: »

Fairly daft policy really, a vet in the city who does little miles but who employs a receptionist as most of his customers call in with their pets gets tax free fuel but a rural vet who covers a large area serving farmers etc covering big miles who works predominantly from a mobile phone has to pay 23% more for his fuel unless he runs a commercial vehicle.

Looooooooooooooooney

What's stopping the rural vet hiring staff?

Or working for another vet or forming a partnership?

Adaption.

RXMPS

TestTransmission wrote: »

Has relevance, and you saying this to RJ wasn't particularly nice either ,so please stop looking for an argument.

Why RJ is big boy and he is not very nice to alot of posters.

I don't see your point.

af_thefragile

I saw petrol at 165.9 in one Topaz pump today.
That's the highest I've seen so far!

Whatever happened to the 130c petrol of just a year ago!!

RXMPS

RXMPS wrote: »

What's stopping the rural vet hiring staff?

Or working for another vet or forming a partnership?

Adaption.

He might not need any if his customers ring him, folks typically don't bring sheep and bulls etc into vets sugerys for their booster

If a partnership exists they would both be directors in a Ltd Company, not really employees.

If he works for another vet he'd be an employee and his boss would get the VAT free fuel if he employed over 3 people in your proposal, which he'd be getting anyway if it was a commercial and he had a Ltd company

TestTransmission

RXMPS wrote: »

Why RJ is big boy and he is not very nice to alot of posters.

You're trolling again.Take 2 weeks off

Mycroft H

Just to put this in perspective

A barrel of Brent Oil was in or around $11 dollars in 1999.
Today its about 129 dollars. Thats an increase of about 1073%. (Gammy figures the first time round :P)

At current production levels, estimates of future oil discoveries and the use of unconventional methods to extract oil, the current estimate of how long we can produce oil is 46.2 years. This is the latest figure from the UKERC report of 2011.

However, we are likely to hit "peak oil" (that is the point of where oil production peaks, and from then on terminally declines due to dwindling reserves) by 2020. From then on oil prices are going to skyrocket, and 2 euro a litre will seem very very cheap.

Current demand for petroleum products is very high, it is estimated that we need to increase production by 3m barrels a day annually to sustain the current demand for petroleum products. To put that in perspective; a new Saudi Arabia has to come on stream every three years to sustain future demands.

The writing is on the wall and no amount of reduction of VAT/Excise on a litre is going to realistically slow down the inevitable increase in the price of fuel

spmxr

RoverJames wrote: »

He might not need any if his customers ring him, folks typically don't bring sheep and bulls etc into vets sugerys for their booster

If a partnership exists they would both be directors in a Ltd Company, not really employees.

If he works for another vet he'd be an employee and his boss would get the VAT free fuel if he employed over 3 people in your proposal, which he'd be getting anyway if it was a commercial and he had a Ltd company

Bit of difference between vat free and tax free.

That's the vet's loss.

Rogue vets would be a thing of the past then if they don't want to pay extra fuel, it would be clinics with vets as staff, some on the road and some on site.

John the local vet will have to adapt and join the corporated world, it would probably see a rise in working standards.As from my own experience alot of small local vet's could use a new insight.

spmxr

TestTransmission wrote: »

You're trolling again.Take 2 weeks off

No I wasn't.

I at least put a suggestion into this thread, stop showing your muscle and let me be.

DarkJager

af_thefragile wrote: »

I saw petrol at 165.9 in one Topaz pump today.
That's the highest I've seen so far!

Whatever happened to the 130c petrol of just a year ago!!

166.9 in one station here in Limerick!

spmxr

DarkJager wrote: »

166.9 in one station here in Limerick!

It's only 158.9 in Foynes.

How come cities are always more expensive, with the volume they sell and buying power they have it should be the other way around.

spmxr

spmxr wrote: »

Bit of difference between vat free and tax free.

That's the vet's loss.

Rogue vets would be a thing of the past then if they don't want to pay extra fuel, it would be clinics with vets as staff, some on the road and some on site.

John the local vet will have to adapt and join the corporated world, it would probably see a rise in working standards.As from my own experience alot of small local vet's could use a new insight.

A self employed Vet who employs no one else is now a rogue vet? Are you for real? And you actually want business to pay no tax at all on fuel? :pac:

CiniO

BX 19 wrote: »

A barrel of Brent Oil was in or around $11 dollars in 1999.
Today its about 129 dollars. Thats an increase of about 470%.

In my eyes it's increase of 1073%.
But maybe I'm wrong, as I failed Maths on 2nd semester of Physics studies.

Mycroft H

CiniO wrote: »

In my eyes it's increase of 1073%.
But maybe I'm wrong, as I failed Maths on 2nd semester of Physics studies.

Ahh jebus your right. I mixed up my figures. Post edited, thanks.

I need caffeine.

Bobo78

spmxr wrote: »

No I wasn't.

I at least put a suggestion into this thread, stop showing your muscle and let me be.

LOL smart fella

Alanstrainor

spmxr wrote: »

No I wasn't.

I at least put a suggestion into this thread, stop showing your muscle and let me be.

spmxr wrote: »

It's only 158.9 in Foynes.

How come cities are always more expensive, with the volume they sell and buying power they have it should be the other way around.

Buh bye.

Owryan

Passed a station selling at 166.9 on my way to kilkenny tonight. Highest i ve seen it in Carlow/Kilkenny

creedp

RoverJames wrote: »

A self employed Vet who employs no one else is now a rogue vet? Are you for real? And you actually want business to pay no tax at all on fuel? :pac:

at least business people/self employed people dont pay VAT (if registered) and can write the cost of fuel off (including carbon taxes) against profits for tax purposes. They also pay low VRT/Motor Tax and can claim what they do pay against tax. Im not complaining about that as the vehicle is used for the purposes of business but the idea that they should pay no motor related taxes at all seems an overkill to me. Us mere mortals have no means of escape. You could argue that reducing fuel duty across the board would stumulate the economy to a much greater extent.

ottostreet

It is relentlessly rising. How is it rising so bloody quickly?