New Shop Maynooth

buffalo

I hadn't heard of the long term plans, that's interesting.

donspeekinglesh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123166702#Comment_123166702

It did. As a way of allowing more space for the cycle paths on the existing bridge.

Electric Nitwit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123166814#Comment_123166814

Glad I wasn't imagining it. Doesn't seem to be on the list posted above, I wonder if it's changed. Would be a nice addition, the pavement on that side is very narrow

FledNanders

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123166822#Comment_123166822

It's in the images I've seen about the works, so it' still there. But not mentioned in that text document above

Electric Nitwit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123166856#Comment_123166856

Cool, thanks. That'll definitely help

FledNanders

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123166867#Comment_123166867

They are adding an additional footbridge beside the current bridge, at the Coffee Mill to Manor Mills.

So yes they are effectively widening it

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123166317#Comment_123166317

At last. An evidence based answer to the need for a proper ring road. Too many posters on her with hypothetical BS answers. A ring road should be the priority. Not introducing more obstacles to slow down and increase traffic in the town. When this happens everyone suffers including pedestrians and cyclists. The aim should be to have a proper one way system and perhaps even pedestrianise certain parts of the town at certain times. But no. We have headbangers on who want to torture motorists. It's insane.

Patser

Deleted all that - thought Toucan meant Zebra type crossing, not just bikes and pedestrians on a light

Patser

Seeing posts online - but hard to get official details, Peter Melrose SD councillor has some on facebook;

But these works start on Wednesday, and run til October I think!!! With a stop go system on Mill St, one lane closed at a time - and a suggestion to use Mariavilla as alternative as much as possible. I can see that being chaotic, and the bus routes through there (115, W6 and school services) all being messed up

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123170362#Comment_123170362

An utter disgrace that they are getting away with this. With no alternative supermarket on the straffan road it will be even more messy.

Who stupid twat comes up with these hair brained ideas.

Patser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123170403#Comment_123170403

TBF it's a needed upgrade. That bridge is v narrow, especially pedestrian footpath and the bike lanes also narrow. So the extra bridge is a neat remedy to free up space.

The issue, as always, comes back to the lack of alternatives. 20 odd years of planning and objections to the ring road, while happily building massive schools; and estates on opposite side of town that all are planned around said ring road has lead us to this.

Even the current 'alternative' through Mariavilla, was a cheap option for Council as they made the developer Cairns do it as part of their planning permission. Don;t think the new residents of Mariavilla are too happy with being the recommended rat run around the town

lordgoat

Delighted with this. Place is a mess. Too many cars.

whole town should have an enforced 30km zone. Most traffic I see in morning is kids not able to walk to school and needing to be dropped. Sure fully agree there are some that need this but moyglare is a mess with kids being dropped off.

a ring road will bring more housing estates and more cars and more traffic. it's not a solution. LOL at comparing maynooth to Athy… why not compare it to Galway where a ring road did **** all…

remove most of the parking spaces from main street would be an immediate improvement. Keep/ increase disabled ones.

But overall enforce rules and punish shi-t drivers for bad parking, speeding and breaking lights.

lordgoat

For those complaining about it, the plans were on public display for ages and none of this is a surprise. It's hilarious reading the complaints and wondering did you object to any of this? Did you bother your hole to know what's going on in the town you constantly whinge about.

Patser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123170466#Comment_123170466

Maynooth has been designated of a urban growth centre, with an expectation that ic can take an extra 10,000 odd residents over next 10 years - and is one of the reasons that railways etc are being upgraded out this way.

And yes the ring road is there precisely to allow for more housing estates and cars, that's exactly what's planned - although hopefully with improved public transport this will be less proportionate. The issue facing Maynooth now, is that all the housing and developement has started without any of the road or rail upgrades. And since this Growth Centre is based on its proximityand access to Dublin, and is seen as a commuter town; cycling is not really an option. Cyclist can't use a motorway, greenway is not complete and even when is not direct, most direct cycle route goes by Intel (currently with massive roadworks), Leixlip with steep hills and minimal cycle paths and almost to Lucan before rejoining N4.

Traffic issues in Maynooth are rarely caused by speeding, bad parking is also not that big an issue IMO at peak times; and in fact all your points about drivers and roads point more to you having a specific agenda than really looking at reality and alternatives.

If planners want/expect Maynooth to expand then infrastructure upgrades have to keep pace. Housing is being rapidly built while rail upgrade and ring road are still in planning limbo and facing more and more delays. The large schools built away from main transport hubs, schools that serve students from Kilcock, Clane and Dunboyne regions as well as the University expanding to bring in more and more students from across a wide area is main cause of the congestion. No expansion or provision of alternatives, while more residents and students are brought in immediately = congestion, not someone speeding.

But on paper the plans look nice, everything to planners looks lovely - reality is grim

https://consult.maynooth.ie/en/system/files/materials/6/Maynooth%20JLAP%20Predraft%20Issues%20Paper.pdf

NetworkOrange

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123170403#Comment_123170403

I never even thought of the Lidl being closed, SuperValu isn't exactly a great alternative (its too small stock/parking wise).

Electric Nitwit

The roadside signs say the Mill St works will be until December, already overrunning 🤣

In shop news, Navan Carpets are setting up in one of the kiosks below Tesco

Gusser09

I absolutely agree that the Mill St works are needed. I don't think it will reduce the amount of motorists using the town though. I think it will make it worse actually.

For those talking about safety how many accidents have there been on Mill Street over the last 5 years for example?

Regarding Ring Roads I actually think North Kildare ,Enfield and parts of Dublin( Kilcock, Clane, Celbridge, Maynooth, Leixlip, Lucan area) need a ring road. A proper project. Rather than multiple smaller projects not really solving anything.

Mill Street will resemble Intel for the next while. A **** mess.

FledNanders

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171128#Comment_123171128

The Mill Street works aren't taking place to reduce the amount of motorists using the town though?

They're being done to improve the experience and safety for pedestrians and cyclists in the area. Once the works are done, nothing will have changed for motorists. But all the people who use the street (mostly pedestrians) will be able to walk and cycle around the place with a bit more ease and peace of mind.

I cycle/walk/drive through that street regularly and if I'm down there on a busy afternoon it's chaos at the moment the way it is for pedestrians in particular.

Groups of people waiting on the narrow side of the pedestrian lights which blocks up the path and means people can't walk past, never mind getting a buggy or kids bike past.

I really don't understand the whataboutery here in terms of the ring road. Multiple things need to be done all over the town, why not start with this?

lordgoat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123170555#Comment_123170555

If you think that drivers in maynooth are not to blame for traffic in maynooth… it's an odd position. Driver behaviour is a main part of the problem. Watch how many cars break red lights at any junction in maynooth. A ring road won't solve people being aresholes.

Again if you think speeding isn't an issue you're delusional. Straffan road, rathcoffey road, etc are really poor at times.

The reality is if you like to complain about driving in maynooth and traffic you're in luck because it is only getting worse. There's no measures planned for the immediate that will fix it. Get out of your car if you can. For those that do, they should not have to put up with inconsiderate drivers and should be able to use the roads safely.

There has been plenty of chances to comment on all the plans that you talk about (not saying they will be taken on board) but I guess you just like to whinge.

A ring road was and is needed, it'll come on line when developers get paid for their houses.

Electric Nitwit

Fusion says it's closed for refurbishment and will reopen under new management

Hope the menu doesn't change too much, really like it in there. It was always dead in there though, maybe they'll make it more appealing to eat in

Mister Vain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171495#Comment_123171495

It's not surprising so many are breaking red lights when some of them only stay green for about 3 seconds. Parson street is going to be a nightmare.

Staplor

This country baffles me at times. We can't work late because there are residents - if they live in a town centre they should expect noise now and again, especially for infrastructure works. Why could this not be done with rolling 24 hour crews and finished in a few months, over the summer when the town is more quiet?

The road works on the M4, same scenario. It's just bonkers.

L1011

24hr works cost a lot more than daytime/daylight only ops. Lighting, power for said lighting, reams of paperwork and most of all - wages. Also may not even be that easy to find four/five shifts of workers.

That's why they're basically non existent on commercial builds and only really turn up on things like bridge lifts

NetworkOrange

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123183138#Comment_123183138

Well they did they regular resurfacing of the Straffan Road overnight. That was noisey for sure.

Staplor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123183166#Comment_123183166

Obviously it costs more, but there are times that spending a bit more is worth it.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123184445#Comment_123184445

We're probably talking costs of 4x rather than "a bit", though.

Staplor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123184504#Comment_123184504

And to not inconvenience and entire town and University I'd be fine with that. Traffic will be backed up in 4 directions as a result of this for basically a year.

Patser

This can't be genuine. I was goggling to try get any official notice of works - nothing on Kildare CoCo page, and apart from Peter Melrose instagram very little actual details around - but sorting info to just this week and...

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/161pEeai35/

Looks like they are trying to get traffic management staff still, that ad is from yesterday, so seems a rather late desperate appeal for something that'll have a major impact on town. Or is it not legit

Patser

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/19tHXyh32D/

Actually, if this is true, it's all looking comical. While still searching, spotted another ad looking for a 360 digger driver on a jobs page, same contact number as ad above.

So, if true, day before work starts, they are looking for traffic management staff and construction workers

Gusser09

It'll be crazy if these works go ahead in their current form. I cant see if happening.

Patser

https://kildarecoco.ie/News/CommencementofWorksMillStreetMaynooth.html

Finally found something official, only posted up yesterday on Kildare CoCo website.

So now it's a 12 month projext, with multiple phases and this weeks works will have only temporary traffic and pedestrian measures in place but no road closures?

Electric Nitwit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123186781#Comment_123186781

Maybe it'll all be fine 🤣

crl84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123170403#Comment_123170403

People on the Straffan Road can nip around the back road to Tesco.
Will be even easier if/when they open up the road from Mullen Park into Griffin Rath.

There's also Supervalu too. Donovans for picking up a few quick bits. Not exactly a massive hardship.

People on the Newtown/Rathcoffey Road never had any supermarket on their side of town.…..

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123187924#Comment_123187924

I'd have said that Newtown/Rathcoffey Road is the same part of town as Straffan Road.

It's a nuisance but a first world problem.

lordgoat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123188213#Comment_123188213

The straffan road brings you to straffan.

The rathcoffey road brings you to rathcoffey.

I do agree that it's just a bit of a pain but nothing too bad.

lol at the people saying the residents who live at Manor mills (the majority of whom don't drive) should have to put up with noise at night so people can drive theirs kids to school in the morning… The entitlement.

FledNanders

Some of the blind self entitlement displayed over these works really is comical.

Especially over on the Maynooth Facebook page.

Some car drivers simply refuse to acknowledge the fact that there are other road users other than themselves. Any slight bit of inconvenience for them is the end of the world and means the whole country is run by idiots 😆

FrankN1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123188731#Comment_123188731

Exactly. Delighted with these works. Only drivers are affected.

mattser

Start a traffic thread

SomeGuyCalledMi

Mill Street Active Travel Scheme Maynooth - Section 38 Drawings.pdf

These works wont do anything to help buses that are always stuck in traffic. Only solution is the ring roads and banning private cars from main street.

Gusser09

That is an absolute mess out there today. Not only are there works on mill street but outside old greenfield too. It's bananas. What we should be doing is alleviating traffic flow in the town and trying to get cars and motorists through quicker. This will benefit everyone in the long run including cyclists and pedestrians. Restricting mill street won't help this in any shape or form. I predict mill street will become even worse with motorists forced to encroach on cycle paths. Wait and see.

The people all for these works without any bigger picture thinking seem to be spiteful more than anything. It's always about punishing motorists with them rather than a joined up approach and actually trying to solve issues in the town.

This has been planned badly and is going to be implemented extremely poorly as we all know. Sure look motorists will have to spend an extra 20 minutes in their cars so laughs on them.

Extra traffic in the town and traffic having to stay stuck in congestion even longer won't help motorists, cyclists or pedestrians.

In other news the lights turning right from the bus terminal on the Straffan road to the meadowbrook link road are extremely poorly times too. They only go green every 3 or 4 minutes and then only let 3 cars through. This has an impact right up the straffan road toward supervalu. But hey who cares.

Anyone who thinks restricting traffic flow in the town is an answer to anything isn't really thinking constructively at all.

FledNanders

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123191679#Comment_123191679

Mill Street isn't going to be restricted whatsoever, what makes you think that? And why would cars end up encroaching on to cycle lanes? Not sure how you have come to this conclusion at all. There will still be 2 car lanes once the work is completed, one in each direction, exactly as it is today. Cycle lanes will be mostly segregated from car traffic, which is better for everyone.

Nobody disputes the fact that the ring road ultimately is needed to take cars out of the town, but as I mentioned in a previous post, the Mill Street works are not being done to alleviate traffic. They have a completely different purpose (improving the street for pedestrians, cyclists, and the general streetscape). If we don't bother doing any other works until the ring road is built, we might aswell be waiting for Godot.

FYI - I have a car, bike, and 2 feet. I utilise all 3 modes to get me from A to B depending on the circumstance. Yes I will be inconvenienced temporarily while the works are going on if I happen to be driving somewhere, but so be it.

Mister Vain

There is also a stop go system near rail park which is further compounding the problem. It seems like they try to do a hundred things at once whenever the schools are closed.

crl84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123188731#Comment_123188731

The same gobshites no doubt using the roads/paths that were previously upgraded in a similar manner as here.

If they had their way, we'd still have the old Bond Bridge with cars driving inches from the wall with people trying to walk over it without getting the belt of a wing mirror, petrol pumps in the middle of the main street, and a stinking mill with rats scurrying around as kids walk past to school.

social butterfly 2020

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123195599#Comment_123195599

Rats Island in the summer was a joy.

You're a true local if you remember Vietnam and the farmers pool.

Redsoxfan

Anyone know what the zoning is for that site that's now for sale on Rathcoffey Road? It's on the right as you head towards Rathcoffey before you cross the motorway.

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123195599#Comment_123195599

Incorrect. If the pro make as life as difficult for motorists as possible group had their way bond bridge would have been made pedestrian only.

Gusser09

I see the latest smokin goat reviews are really poor. Was looking forward to it opening in Maynooth but will give it a hard miss for the moment.

Electric Nitwit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123201460#Comment_123201460

Where are you seeing that?

On Google it's only got 10 reviews but they're all 5*

Haven't tried it myself yet, but was hoping to soon

Gusser09

Google. Celbridge. 355 reviews.

Delivery times and waiting times a problem it seems.

CapriciousOne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123201475#Comment_123201475

Was in there on Thursday when it opened. Mixed doner was lovely actually.