General Fantasy Football Chat

S.M.B.

manual_man wrote: »

hey i'm just trying suggestions to give it a more professional look... and easy to navigate. the whole idea of the new forum was to have more than the single thread, if you have any better suggestions come out with them

I'm not having a go or anything. Just trying to find out the reason behind why people want to limit the amount of threads being made.

Personally I don't think it's easier to navigate. Tidier, yes? Easy to get the info I want, certainly not.

I would have separate transfers, captaincy and gameweek threads. A resources thread.

Then any posts that have long term value should be left as they are.

eagle eye

Personally I think he did a great job on the clean up there.

The gameweek thread should include a captain's poll imo, no need to have a separate just for the captain. We want a busy forum and we have to let other fantasy sports have their threads on the first page too I think.

One thread for rating teams is enough too. I've seen a few ones set up where people are looking for people to rate their own team.

Setting up a thread to discuss one player(ie Ba, RVP, Shotton) is not on either imo. I think a general fantasy chat thread and a gameweek thread are enough.

We could have a strategy thread too I suppose but I think that can be discussed in the general thread too.

manual_man

Personally i'm against a rate my team thread. i think the idea of a thread designed to help people you're in competition with is contradictory and stupid. a bit of healthy competition is what ff is all about

Jax Teller

eagle eye wrote: »

The gameweek thread should include a captain's poll imo, no need to have a separate just for the captain. We want a busy forum and we have to let other fantasy sports have their threads on the first page too I think.
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No way . There should be a new captain Poll every week .
If the other Fantasy sports want to be on the first page maybe they should start posting here .

When we got this new Forum i was like


Now im like

POKERKING

manual_man wrote: »

Personally i'm against a rate my team thread. i think the idea of a thread designed to help people you're in competition with is contradictory and stupid. a bit of healthy competition is what ff is all about

I think most people are competing against friends and colleagues and not really against other boards members so i disagree with your point.

As i said already its all a bit muddled, like for eg the guy who wanted to start a league with the 1k thread, that was completely separate issue to anything that should be muddled in here and was worthy of its own thread. If he posts it in here it gets lost. We dont need a limit on threads but id guess on average every gameweek there would be 5 or 6 new threads, this seems a reasonable number.

Fiso is run perfect in my opinion, if we copied that structure we would have ourselves a valuable and informative forum.

Jax Teller

POKERKING wrote: »

Fiso is run perfect in my opinion, if we copied that structure we would have ourselves a valuable and informative forum.

Agree with that .

eagle eye

Coletrickle88 wrote: »

No way . There should be a new captain Poll every week .
If the other Fantasy sports want to be on the first page maybe they should start posting here .

I didn't say there shouldn't be a Captain's poll every week. I just think it should be part of the fantasy gameweek thread.

Other fantasy sports are not nearly as busy as soccer but would be on the first page if we didn't have a load of pointless threads.

manual_man

Coletrickle88 wrote: »

POKERKING wrote: »

Fiso is run perfect in my opinion, if we copied that structure we would have ourselves a valuable and informative forum.

Agree with that .

What's their structure, out of interest

carlcon

I think it's important to remember we're all new here. Just like how we, as posters, aren't 100% sure of what's acceptable or not when it comes to making threads, the mods also need time to find a structure that works.

I'm happy to see all the "What about Valencia?/What about Ba?/What about RVP?/What about Ryan Shotton" threads moved, along with the threads people made just for their own team... so seeing them purged is definitely progress.

Individual players can be discussed in a general thread like this - whether it's injury news, or whether or not they're worth having. Then anyone looking for advice for their team as a whole can use "Rate My Team".

Saying that, one or two threads seem to have been "caught up" in the cull that probably could have been left alone. Shangri La's post asking for advice on how to handle a bar league, for example, is separate enough to warrant a new thread, IMO.

Then the "Team News" thread from last week was moved. I would argue that it should just be closed instead, making room for a new GW TeamNews/Matchday thread (which I believe should all go into one).

All-in-all, we've taken a step forward. So I say good job (for now! ).

carlcon

Bale out of tonight's Wales team with an injury. Hopefully, it's just an "international injury", and nothing significant.

S.M.B.

Gameweek 29 looks like being a full set of fixtures now. The only uncertainty is the Man City - Chelsea game which will more than likely be rescheduled within the same gameweek if Chelsea beat Brum in their replay.

carlcon

Gerrard went off after 30 minutes with a "tight hamstring" tonight. Probably precautionary, but one to watch for anyone thinking about him for the double week.

carlcon

This game has turned into a blood bath*. Smalling smashed, covered in blood, not being allowed to move by the medics while they get a stretcher.

I was considering dropping him for Evans before... seems like I have to now.

Phil Jones replacing him, so expect a leg break in 5, 4, 3...

*Slight exaggeration

Maggie McGaggie

I don't see why there should be so few threads. It's about being able to access information quickly and engage in debate. Personally, i find the new lay-out too dense. I'm going hither and yon across pages looking to see replies and counter-replies. RvP and Ba are important players in FF so why not give em a thread, what's the big deal? I thought of starting a thread of david silva yet i'm sure now it would be deemed excessive.

Carlcon, you were the one who instigated this purge yet you want to keep a thread where you retain a personal interest + i see from the other soccer ff forum that you desisted from posting on ff until a separate hosting arena was provided for it. What is the point of this arena if the new possibilities are not explored? I'm not having a go but i think it's a bit much tbh. No offence intended.

Panthro

I'm not speaking for Carlcon but I agree with his sentiment of FF only having a few dedicated threads which would cover the different aspects usually discussed regarding FF. (I myself proposed a mere three threads should be dedicated to FF)
Reason being (to my mind anyways) is simple, its an arena.
There are other Fantasy games included in this section, take the Rugby fantasy for example. Its not half as busy as FF, but imagine if the arena were to continue the way its going. If a poster (newbie or otherwise) were to visit the arena in search of Rugby Fantasy discussion, he/she would end up having to trawl through page after page of "RvP", "Ba", "My team" etc etc threads if the current trend were to continue. It would not be fair and would in fact be a discouragement to the fans of other fantasy sports to visit the arena at all, in my opinion.
I think the mods have done a good job cleaning the place up, I wish them well in their efforts.

carlcon

Maggie McGaggie wrote: »

Carlcon, you were the one who instigated this purge yet you want to keep a thread where you retain a personal interest + i see from the other soccer ff forum that you desisted from posting on ff until a separate hosting arena was provided for it. What is the point of this arena if the new possibilities are not explored? I'm not having a go but i think it's a bit much tbh. No offence intended.

To mirror what Panthro (who spoke for me very well) said, this is not a Fantasy Football forum. It's a forum for various fantasy sports. People have been making threads like it's going out of fashion, which isn't what this forum is for at all.

It's a moot point to bring up my previous boycott of the FF thread in soccer, because that was as a result of the mods in Soccer being assholes (or at least one of them making them look as such) by not properly considering our request for a sub-forum in Soccer. Had this been that requested sub-forum in soccer, you might have a point, but it isn't.

This forum is not... and this can't be said enough... is not what we asked for. But it's what we have, and I for one want to make the most of it. Allowing people to post new threads willy-nilly is not making the most of it, IMO.

From a FPL point of view, this forum exists to allow us to take the old thread in soccer, and make it less of a mash-up. To do that, all we need are a small handful of alternative threads that cater to various aspects of the game - Match day/team news, captain poll, general discussion, and a personal team rating thread.

To my knowledge, the intention of this forum was never to allow us to just post as many player-specific threads as we like, because that's just too messy.

And I'm confused by the "I'm going hither and yon across pages looking to see replies and counter-replies" point. It's significantly easier to keep track of 3 or 4 threads than it is to keep track of a dozen. So any hithering and dithering is surely lessened now? The immediate result of closing a thread might have been a bit awkward when finding where it was moved to, but as a whole, and for future usage, 3-5 threads are a lot easier to both manage and navigate.

Remember... we went from having one single thread to having potentially unlimited threads overnight. It can't be said enough that we need to accept the learning curve that comes with starting a brand new forum. Jumping from one thread to dozens of threads can only be a bad idea. Let's try 3 or 4, and if they end up not being good enough, we can adapt.

S.M.B.

Limiting the amount of threads when the forum is shared amongst other fantasy sports is a valid enough reason (although I don't see these threads bursting with activity).

However, it means a forum like this will never rival the dedicated fantasy footballs forums out there which I was hoping it might do. The current set up provides us with a linear form of chat which makes it very difficult to access the information that you are looking for / is relevant to you.

But sure carry on with the 3/4 threads and see how it goes.

FatRat

carlcon wrote: »

I think it's important to remember we're all new here. Just like how we, as posters, aren't 100% sure of what's acceptable or not when it comes to making threads, the mods also need time to find a structure that works.

I'm happy to see all the "What about Valencia?/What about Ba?/What about RVP?/What about Ryan Shotton" threads moved, along with the threads people made just for their own team... so seeing them purged is definitely progress.

Individual players can be discussed in a general thread like this - whether it's injury news, or whether or not they're worth having. Then anyone looking for advice for their team as a whole can use "Rate My Team".

Saying that, one or two threads seem to have been "caught up" in the cull that probably could have been left alone. Shangri La's post asking for advice on how to handle a bar league, for example, is separate enough to warrant a new thread, IMO.

Then the "Team News" thread from last week was moved. I would argue that it should just be closed instead, making room for a new GW TeamNews/Matchday thread (which I believe should all go into one).

All-in-all, we've taken a step forward. So I say good job (for now! ).

"We" haven't really taken a step forward when the new forum turns into another big thread, just like what we had (but is pretty much no more thanks to this forum) last time. It's just a little bit worse because there is still other threads on the forum.


You can try and make me think otherwise again like you always do with your big essays and what not but there is no right or wrong to this really, You have your opinion on the matter, just like everyone else does even if it's different to yours. I'll put it simply..... I think this forum is slowly going to become more of a disaster than what it was when it first opened. Terrible idea opening it, imo.



In fact, I think this thread is the best thing about the forum so far. Maybe we could merge all the other threads with it too and have 1 big thread for the whole of FPL???? I think that sounds good.


It had to be said and I'll leave it at that. I've made a bit of an attempt at posting on this forum solely because I can't post on the other thread... because it's dead. I'll try and keep posting here, but I'm always gonna prefer the thread we had. Oh! How it'll be missed.

Maggie McGaggie

carlcon wrote: »

To mirror what Panthro (who spoke for me very well) said, this is not a Fantasy Football forum. It's a forum for various fantasy sports. People have been making threads like it's going out of fashion, which isn't what this forum is for at all.

From a FPL point of view, this forum exists to allow us to take the old thread in soccer, and make it less of a mash-up. To do that, all we need are a small handful of alternative threads that cater to various aspects of the game - Match day/team news, captain poll, general discussion, and a personal team rating thread.

To my knowledge, the intention of this forum was never to allow us to just post as many player-specific threads as we like, because that's just too messy.

And I'm confused by the "I'm going hither and yon across pages looking to see replies and counter-replies" point. It's significantly easier to keep track of 3 or 4 threads than it is to keep track of a dozen. So any hithering and dithering is surely lessened now? The immediate result of closing a thread might have been a bit awkward when finding where it was moved to, but as a whole, and for future usage, 3-5 threads are a lot easier to both manage and navigate.

Remember... we went from having one single thread to having potentially unlimited threads overnight. It can't be said enough that we need to accept the learning curve that comes with starting a brand new forum. Jumping from one thread to dozens of threads can only be a bad idea. Let's try 3 or 4, and if they end up not being good enough, we can adapt.

I am only a John Q here but loved all the extra threads, thought it made the forum lively and full of banter. My main point was that i do not believe that posters will engage on smaller and specific areas to the same degree as they would on a specialist thread. I foresee many points being lost in the ether and maybe some posters becoming frustrated. I will continue posting here in any case..

carlcon

Maggie McGaggie wrote: »

I am only a John Q here but loved all the extra threads, thought it made the forum lively and full of banter. My main point was that i do not believe that posters will engage on smaller and specific areas to the same degree as they would on a specialist thread. I foresee many points being lost in the ether and maybe some posters becoming frustrated. I will continue posting here in any case..

I think that's the right attitude to have, in terms of posting here anyway. If you like more threads, that's fine, make more threads... but there must be guidelines as to what those threads can be. The vast majority of threads so far were definitely overlapping and belonged as part of other threads. But that's not to say there aren't other things that can be posted.

Everyone will have their own opinions, but it's more than opinion that says that a new visitor will be totally lost if they look at the forum and see 10-20 threads about more-or-less the same thing. I think that's all we need to avoid.

I don't want to make it into an "us and them" thing, but the "us" (regular posters) are in the minority here, and the mods have to make sure this place is suitable for the majority.

carlcon

FatRat wrote: »

"We" haven't really taken a step forward when the new forum turns into another big thread, just like what we had (but is pretty much no more thanks to this forum) last time. It's just a little bit worse because there is still other threads on the forum.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5 threads still left alone that don't seem to be going anywhere. All freely used. Then the charter and resources threads make two more. This is nothing like what we had. We've got so much more freedom to create, discuss, and inform.

There's one reason, and one reason only, why we're not getting the numbers we used to have, and that's the lack of traffic from Soccer. How we solve that, I don't know. I suggested asking the mods over there to link to this forum in their OP, but trying to get any common decency from them has proven to be beating a dead horse in the past, so I really don't know.

I've changed my sig to try help, and post in that thread on match day with info about our forum, but I'm always just going to be one person with little or no pull.

iroced

I have to say I'm finding this whole new FF place messy and confusing (with the old soccer forum thread still alive and slowly dying...). Well we're just starting so I presume it just needs to ... get started.
Maybe we could have a thread to discuss the main forums we'd like to have and "all" agree on them. It could also be a place for asking about an idea of a new thread and see if there could be interest in it or if it would fit and belong better to an existing one.
At the moment we already have "FPL resources", "FPL general discussion" and the "Rate my team Megathread". We have a "Transfer" and "Captain Poll" one too. I haven't been following intensively here recently so what's the decision on them? A new one every week? A "Mega" one for the rest of the season?

iroced

Now I want to have a big rant at FPL. I've seen a lot of people (and I've been one of them) complaining about the bonus system. But what is an utter joke and is killing the game in my view is the new (not sure new is an adequate word here but anyway was not the case last year) current totally anarchistic system regarding player's price changes. I've spent quite some time analysing it from FISO data and information. And I've now come to the conclusion that it's deliberately (for which purpose?) unfair and unbalanced.

Let's summarise it:

• No weighting rules for second and third price change in the same GW. So we can have crazy price changes (Ba going up 4 times in 4 days, Valencia down 3 times in 3 days...etc...etc...).

• To compensate there's a stupid threshold after the 3rd price rise/fall.

• Total fcuk up of flagging/protection issues. Basically THERE'S NO RULES !!!!!! Ba, while away to the ACON, so flagged, was not going down 'till he was reaching 250% of his target NTO. So he was "weigthed". At the same time, Yakubu wasn't (or not as much). Now we've seen Valencia, flagged, going down 4 times and bar the first time, he only needed to reach 100%. WHERE'S THE BLOODY CONSISTENCY IN THAT ???!!!!!! But it gets worse if I come back to Ba's situation. When he came back from ACON his flag disappeared so he should have been protected for 8 days! Instead he experienced the fastest and craziest price increase in the history of the game (or not far from it).

The results of that are very negative to the game. It kills a lot of the freedom of play we used to have regarding transfers. If you miss a boat you're fcuked as to get it late (and by late I mean a couple of days, it's not like you made the bad call over several weeks) you're going to have to "sacrifice" other part of your team. And if you get caught with injuries/suspensions/"little" spells of bad form of your star players (the one from which you generally benefitted an important price increase), you're stuck. You can't make a move as this move would most probably be definite. As a side result, there are tons of similar teams.

In fairness, if I were not in a money league with weekly and monthly prizes I would just stop playing. I've spent quite some time building my team, trying to make it as most balanced as possible, working out player’s home/away rotations, considering their mid-term fixtures etc...etc... and because of this fcuked-up system, I've lost numerous time some cash very quickly and I'm now in a position where I can't make some moves and/or have to take gambles as I can't afford some big names (especially upfront) and don’t want to drastically change my team to get them. So, in the end, this system rewards statistically more inactive players than active ones. Bravo FPL...

manual_man

the only explanation i can come up with is the dude in charge of price rises/falls has a team of his own

holuc

Falling out of love with the game!!

All because its v boring & serious in here now. Why wasn't it just left the way it was. It worked fine for the last two years that i played the game.!!

No need for a crusade to change it then give out and discuss every little thing you don't like about the new forum. The old thread in soccer is/was enough!!

Benimar

I think if we are going to have a forum then we need to leave people open discussions and not just have everything thrown into a 'General Chat' thread.

Some of the topics that were moved in the cull should not, IMO, have been moved, they warranted individual threads as they related to specific aspects of FF eg: how you play the game, where you follow match scores etc.

I can understand the need to keep all the Rate my Teams together etc but the topics being allowed at the moment are too 'narrow' and if its going to stay like that we may as well go back to one superthread.

shangri la

I clicked on the thread I started about next seasons free entry money league and it brought me to this thread. I can't find any related posts and its unlikely people will contribute ideas if the can't see the thread. Would this topic fall under general FF?

roryc

Yeh they'll be in here somewhere but good luck getting any response now! The mods seem to have done a bit of a disappearing act too...

manual_man

Who should i bench this week do ye reckon? Bale or Moses?

Benimar

Benimar wrote: »

I think if we are going to have a forum then we need to leave people open discussions and not just have everything thrown into a 'General Chat' thread.

Some of the topics that were moved in the cull should not, IMO, have been moved, they warranted individual threads as they related to specific aspects of FF eg: how you play the game, where you follow match scores etc.

I can understand the need to keep all the Rate my Teams together etc but the topics being allowed at the moment are too 'narrow' and if its going to stay like that we may as well go back to one superthread.

shangri la wrote: »

I clicked on the thread I started about next seasons free entry money league and it brought me to this thread. I can't find any related posts and its unlikely people will contribute ideas if the can't see the thread. Would this topic fall under general FF?

My point entirely, there has been too much of a 'clean-up'. It seems to be separate threads for Transfers, RMTs and Captain Poll with everything else being lumped into one thread.

SlickRic

carlcon wrote: »

I suggested asking the mods over there to link to this forum in their OP, but trying to get any common decency from them has proven to be beating a dead horse in the past, so I really don't know.

or you could just ask us instead of insulting us any chance you get?

despite what you believe, we're not the horrible wánkers you want to believe we are.

i'm going to link the thread in the OP in Soccer right now, and make it clear in the title that the link is in the OP.

Jax Teller

manual_man wrote: »

Who should i bench this week do ye reckon? Bale or Moses?

Start Bale have Moses as first sub .

carlcon

SlickRic wrote: »

or you could just ask us instead of insulting us any chance you get?

despite what you believe, we're not the horrible wánkers you want to believe we are.

i'm going to link the thread in the OP in Soccer right now, and make it clear in the title that the link is in the OP.

Funny that I thanked you for the link to this forum in the Soccer thread before I saw this. I asked for help from Soccer mods a dozen times and got nothing (much more important stuff too, like dealing with homophobia & bullying on the forum - and then, of course, the several occasions when I tried getting you onside for the sub-forum). So apologies for not presuming it would change this one time.
As I've said before, I highly suspect you only look like "****" (your word, not mine) simply because of one or two gob****es who actually are, making it hard on the rest of you. So it has never been anything personal; just that as a whole, you do indeed come across like ****.

But as I've said, credit where it's due. Thanks for the link.

FatRat

Gareth Bale injured, could be out for 3 weeks.


hmmm.... they don't have the nicest fixtures coming up, I'm half thinking of transferring him out for someone like Nani. He will probably, definitely, not be playing this weekend so maybe it's time to transfer him out. Or am I just jumping to conclusions?

manual_man

FatRat wrote: »

Gareth Bale injured, could be out for 3 weeks.


hmmm.... they don't have the nicest fixtures coming up, I'm half thinking of transferring him out for someone like Nani. He will probably, definitely, not be playing this weekend so maybe it's time to transfer him out. Or am I just jumping to conclusions?

Sorry for Bale if true, but could mix things up nicely ff wise

shangri la

shangri la wrote: »

I clicked on the thread I started about next seasons free entry money league and it brought me to this thread. I can't find any related posts and its unlikely people will contribute ideas if the can't see the thread. Would this topic fall under general FF?

SlickRic wrote: »

or you could just ask us instead of insulting us any chance you get?

Any chance of a reply/solution to this one?

Hairy Nipples 87

I took the bullet and transfered Sorrenson for Begovic in a straight swap! I really hope this keeper roatation Stoke have employed isnt going to come back and haunt me this weekend! :rolleyes:

darego

Hairy Nipples 87 wrote: »

I took the bullet and transfered Sorrenson for Begovic in a straight swap! I really hope this keeper roatation Stoke have employed isnt going to come back and haunt me this weekend! :rolleyes:

i did the same as yourself, hopefully he starts

shangri la

Any chance you looked at stokes conceding statistics?

Hairy Nipples 87

I just think for value for the rest of the season a stoke goalkeeper at 4.5 is your best option. I agree that they havent been great in their recent run of fixtures but a clean sheet at the weekend against swansea is something to build on perhaps. With Europe out of the way also i feel they should do better in the remainder of the season as they are tough to beat on their day at the Brittania!

I was gonna put Al Habsi or Mingolet but i really dont fancy either defence being honest to help them keepers out. Both at 4.5 also

FatRat

I'm gonna be controversial and say that Bale's time has come. Spurs' form isn't what it was and he's not doing a whole load for them anymore. Usually he's a part of 1/2 or so of their goals or something like that but not anymore really. I think it's time to drop him, especially with him injured now. Nearly every serious player has him so if you drop him now for the right replacement it could be a solid differential for the end of the season.



So my question is, who is the best midfielder to replace him with? The idea I have is to downgrade him so I can strengthen my backline. I'm looking for a midfielder from anywhere between 4 and 8 million. I have Siggy, Silva, Sess and Dempsey atm. Any decent suggestions would be great!

IncognitoMan

I did bale to mata as bale is now an injury doubt. I already have rooney cisse and vorm as injury doubts so dont want another one.
If it doesnt work out il get bale back in a few weeks anyway.

dahat

Bale out Dempsey in,my hand was forced as thr injury doubts have piled up..
Was looking doubtfull i would even get 11 on the pitch!

Lemlin

Didn't realise everyone was over here but I'm losing interest in FF anyway to be honest.

What happened with Sorensen last weekend? Was he rotated? I was away on a stag so missed alot of the news. Dropped to 20th in the Boards League despite not having a bad score because Ba as captain fooked me over. MY other two strikers were Ade and RvP so annoyed about that.

Getting 0 for my 'keeper because Vorm didn't play and Sorensen was injured/rested wasn't very pleasing either.

roryc

This article in the Daily Mail is sayign he's torn it, and is expected to be out for 10- 21 days.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2108804/Gareth-Bale-suffers-hamstring-injury.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Not the most reputable source but think its time to let him go anyway. Independent saying the club are stressing its not serious.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tottenham-winger-bale-doubtful-for-united-game-7469108.html

S.M.B.

Getting rid of Bale may be a good call at the moment but I think you'll need to be able to bring him back into your team in 4/5 weeks time for Spurs nice run in.

01 Apr Gameweek 31 Swansea (H)
07 Apr Gameweek 32 Sunderland (A)
09 Apr Gameweek 33 Norwich (H)
15 Apr Gameweek 34 Bolton (A)
21 Apr Gameweek 35 QPR (A)
29 Apr Gameweek 36 Blackburn (H)
05 May Gameweek 37 Aston Villa (A)
13 May Gameweek 38 Fulham (H)

I bought at £8.5 and can sell at £9.1 to potentially buy back around the £9.4 mark.

Hmmmmmmm, undecided.

kennyb3

Vorm is deffo back as per SSN this morning, in case anyone is interested.

Jax Teller

Valencia and Cleverley not fit for spurs . Smalling to be assessed today

Rooneys back though

roryc

Really hope Valencia is back for the next game, United have a great run.

alchemist33

kennyb3 wrote: »

Vorm is deffo back as per SSN this morning, in case anyone is interested.

Thank f*** for that.

There's nothing on the Spurs website about Bale. He was on my possible transfer out list anyway, so might risk getting rid.