Shannon Airport (Feb 2012 - Jan 2014)

lockman

The new aer Lingus Snn-Faro seasonal service, which was due to cease in September, has now been extended for an extra six weeks until the end of October.

See airport's news section for more details:
http://www.shannonairport.ie/gns/about-us/latest-news/latest-news/13-05-01/Take-Off_for_Aer_Lingus_Flights_from_Shannon_to_Faro.aspx

And Ryanair's service from Snn-Alicante, has also been extended until the end of October (was also due to cease in September).

Layinghen

Excellent to see good news for Shannon. Hope these flights are filled so Aer Lingus and Ryanair will see that Shannon should not be ignored and it is a viable airport to operate from.

The Dagda

New CEO appointed for Shannon Airport.

On paper he looks like a great addition. Hopefully he can recreate the success, he was part of at John Lennon Airport, here...

http://www.businessworld.ie/livenews.htm?a=3066010;s=rollingnews.htm

highlydebased

He has some impressive experience, gives reason to be hopeful!

bannerlady20

This is good news for Shannon. He seems to have excellent experience.

He did a great job in increasing passenger numbers at Manchester and Liverpool Airports. Hopefully he can do the same at Shannon. He got easyJet and a couple of other Airline's to come to Liverpool so it would be great if he do the same at Shannon as well.

There are a good number of Airlines flying out of Shannon at the moment. The SAA have been really good in securing new routes and airlines during the past few months.

US Airways is resuming its Shannon to Philadelphia service on Thursday. They last operated this service in 2009. Its great to see them return.

glineli

Worlds biggest plane lands at Shannon yesterday.

http://www.rte.ie/news/player/2013/0521/3536326-worlds-biggest-plane-lands-in-shannon/#page=2

glineli

The A225 is departing SNN at 2200 this evening for anyone who is interested

S Line

hanging around Shannon until 10 o'clock might be a bit late for the trek home afterwards

would it possible to get a good look at it on the ground from the public viewing areas at 6/7 o'clock ??

glineli

S Line wrote: »

hanging around Shannon until 10 o'clock might be a bit late for the trek home afterwards

would it possible to get a good look at it on the ground from the public viewing areas at 6/7 o'clock ??

I would say you will get a good view of it alright. Worth a spin anyway.

Chucken

glineli wrote: »

The A225 is departing SNN at 2200 this evening for anyone who is interested

Just back from having a look!
Mother Of God, its huge
Thanks for the heads up.

Brennans Row

TUI Thomson Airways will use Shannon next month for pilot training of their new Boeing 787 Dreamliners. (Clare Herald)

A320

Expect to see the BA A380 doing line training in SNN too over the coming months.
Theres not a chance the new CEO will get Easyjet in,You know what will happen if they launched a routed,same thing happened to DUB and Cork a few years ago.
It's great to see services increase

Brennans Row

Liam Skelly (founding director of ARI) has again accused Transport Minister Leo Varadkar of misrepresenting the facts in relation to the DAA’s right to ownership of the company.

His annoyance is an understatement! (Limerick Post)

GCU Flexible Demeanour

Brennans Row wrote: »

Liam Skelly (founding director of ARI) has again accused Transport Minister Leo Varadkar of misrepresenting the facts in relation to the DAA’s right to ownership of the company.

His annoyance is an understatement! (Limerick Post)

This is sad, the poor man should let the matter rest.

ARI is a State asset. It doesn't belong to Shannon Airport. It's funding came out of Aer Rianta, and the overwhelming bulk of the Aer Rianta income came from outside Shannon.

This kind of discussion should be left. The settlement is there, and it's a good one. The simple fact is that most US visitors to the Mid-West get there from Dublin Airport. Dublin Airport does more for tourism in the region than Shannon. It's legitimate to use State resources to best effect.

Notwithstanding all that, Shannon Airport has been given (yet another) break. The job is to make that work, and not dig up all these old rows - which Shannon Airport won't come out of looking good. Liam Skelly might turn his mind to how the Shannon Airport lobby crippled aviation policy in this country for decades and gain some insight to inform his retirement.

Cosmo Kramer

Brennans Row wrote: »

Liam Skelly (founding director of ARI) has again accused Transport Minister Leo Varadkar of misrepresenting the facts in relation to the DAA’s right to ownership of the company.

His annoyance is an understatement! (Limerick Post)

The more people get, the more they want. Unbelievable arrogance really given the lifeline that has been provided to Shannon by the Government.

Brennans Row

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

This is sad, the poor man should let the matter rest.

That’s a very belittling comment!

Why should he roll-over and keep his mouth shut?

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

ARI is a State asset. It doesn't belong to Shannon Airport. It's funding came out of Aer Rianta, and the overwhelming bulk of the Aer Rianta income came from outside Shannon.

ARI is a state asset that grew out of Shannon Airport.

It was people like Skelly who made ARI an international business success and not state funding.

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

This kind of discussion should be left.

Why?

Dublin plundered Shannon’s pioneering work!

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

Liam Skelly might turn his mind to how the Shannon Airport lobby crippled aviation policy in this country for decades and gain some insight to inform his retirement.

That’s nonsense!

You seem to have an axe to grind with Shannon.

Brennans Row

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Unbelievable arrogance really . . . .

Who me? Liam Skelly? Could you elaborate?

highlydebased

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

The simple fact is that most US visitors to the Mid-West get there from Dublin Airport. Dublin Airport does more for tourism in the region than Shannon. It's legitimate to use State resources to best effect..

I'm unsure how the airport can support the level of transatlantic services it has at summer peak with "most" US visitors flying to Dublin? That doesn't add up! Though yes Dublin delivers practically all/any visitors from elsewhere considering there are no European services to Shannon (aside from Spain etc which deliver, lets be honest, practically no inbound traffic)

GCU Flexible Demeanour

Brennans Row wrote: »

It was people like Skelly who made ARI an international business success and not state funding.

If that was true, they'd have achieved it without the support of a State company. The ARI assets represent an investment made by Ireland, and the assets belong to Ireland. Not Shannon. Not even Clare. Ireland.

Brennans Row wrote: »

You seem to have an axe to grind with Shannon.

That comment is laughable, given the context is the inability of some in Shannon to accept (yet another) generous deal and move on.

highlydebased wrote: »

I'm unsure how the airport can support the level of transatlantic services it has at summer peak with "most" US visitors flying to Dublin? That doesn't add up! Though yes Dublin delivers practically all/any visitors from elsewhere considering there are no European services to Shannon (aside from Spain etc which deliver, lets be honest, practically no inbound traffic)

What better source can I quote than Liam Skelly?

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/business/local-business/shannon-s-money-spent-on-t2-dublin-liam-skelly-1-5122520

Shannon’s money was spent by the DAA in the building of Terminal 2. The expenditure on this terminal is allowing the DAA to attract to Dublin more and more traffic with less traffic using Shannon. The latest statistics show that 80% of US visitor numbers to this region arrive through Dublin Airport,” Mr Skelly said.

highlydebased

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

What better source can I quote than Liam Skelly?

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/business/local-business/shannon-s-money-spent-on-t2-dublin-liam-skelly-1-5122520

Seems as farcical as the rest of it if you ask me!

source

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

What better source can I quote than Liam Skelly?

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/business/local-business/shannon-s-money-spent-on-t2-dublin-liam-skelly-1-5122520

Shannon’s money was spent by the DAA in the building of Terminal 2. The expenditure on this terminal is allowing the DAA to attract to Dublin more and more traffic with less traffic using Shannon. The latest statistics show that 80% of US visitor numbers to this region arrive through Dublin Airport,” Mr Skelly said.

Can you not see the irony here?

You're using a paragraph which shows how the DAA ran Shannon into the ground, as a defence for the DAA keeping the most profitable part of Shannon.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

source wrote: »

Can you not see the irony here?

You're using a paragraph which shows how the DAA ran Shannon into the ground, as a defence for the DAA keeping the most profitable part of Shannon.

Not really, as the only fact in that quote was the 80% figure. I just included the padding to avoid the inevitable claims that I was quoting out of context.

imurdaddy

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

Not really, as the only fact in that quote was the 80% figure. I just included the padding to avoid the inevitable claims that I was quoting out of context.

The fact in the quote is DAA was pushing 80% of Shannon transatlantic traffic into Dublin to the detriment of Shannon and cost and hassle to the passenger.

Brennans Row

Brennans Row wrote: »

It was people like Skelly who made ARI an international business success and not state funding.

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

If that was true, they'd have achieved it without the support of a State company. The ARI assets represent an investment made by Ireland, and the assets belong to Ireland. Not Shannon. Not even Clare.

If you are taking that view, then there would have probably been no ARI for Ireland to invest in, were it not for people like Liam Skelly in the first place.

Shannon Airport like Dublin is a national asset too.

As previously posted where I wrote, people like Brendan O'Regan and Paul Quigley who had to be innovative to generate revenue for the airport, like Duty Free Shopping, Catering Flight Kitchens, Mail Order Sales, Bunratty Banquets, Industrial Tax Free Zone Estate, Air freight, Pilot In-Flight Training Base, Aeroflot - Fuel Farm Joint Venture, Aer Rianta International, Air Traffic Control Centre, Shannon Aerospace, US Emigration facilities etc, etc.

Like them Liam Skelly has a track record too, who quite rightly argues the case that Shannon should have had a share of ARI’s profits to finance itself and service its own debts like Dublin, instead of been demonized by its detractors as someone with a beggar’s bowl.

The Duty Free website Moodie Report wrote an interesting piece about ARI’s beginnings. See attachment.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

Brennans Row wrote: »

If you are taking that view, then there would have probably been no ARI for Ireland to invest in, were it not for people like Liam Skelly in the first place.

Ah, this is just meaningless hagiography. If you're in that frame of mind, go shout your support at a GAA match.

Brennans Row wrote: »

Like them Liam Skelly has a track record too, who quite rightly argues the case that Shannon should have had a share of ARI’s profits to finance itself and service its own debts like Dublin, instead of been demonized by its detractors as someone with a beggar’s bowl.

But this is ludicrous. You're doing nothing to acknowledge the fact that it's Liam Skelly who, through his interventions, is presenting the DAA as some kind of demon.

Brennans Row wrote: »

The Duty Free website Moodie Report wrote an interesting piece about ARI’s beginnings. See attachment.

Does that article mention, even once, the stopover regime? That's the crime that dare not speak its name. Right through the Seventies and Eighties, the very period that article is claiming to cover, the Shannon stopover destroyed the potential for developing services into Ireland, particularly from the US. Lauding the local management for "entrepreneurship" would be like lauding cross border diesel launderers for their "entrepreneurship".

It's not pretty to have to say this. I'd rather we left Shannon's crimes in the past, and just got on with what we can all do today. That's my point. I hope all former empolyees of Aer Rianta enjoy their retirement, in peace.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

imurdaddy wrote: »

The fact in the quote is DAA was pushing 80% of Shannon transatlantic traffic into Dublin to the detriment of Shannon and cost and hassle to the passenger.

Total nonsense. It was the Stopover regime (which finally ended in 2008) that directed Dublin traffic into Shannon. How quickly people try to reinvent history.

Since 2008, the market is open. Nothing in particular to stop any US airline or US-bound airline flying into Shannon or Dublin, whichever they prefer.

Brennans Row

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

Lauding the local management for "entrepreneurship" would be like lauding cross border diesel launderers for their "entrepreneurship".

Hollow sarcasm.

You are letting your mask slip, your attitude on Shannon is crystal clear to me.

imurdaddy

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

Total nonsense. It was the Stopover regime (which finally ended in 2008) that directed Dublin traffic into Shannon. How quickly people try to reinvent history.

Since 2008, the market is open. Nothing in particular to stop any US airline or US-bound airline flying into Shannon or Dublin, whichever they prefer.

So you think people coming to the mid west will chose to fly to dublin? Total nonsense.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

Brennans Row wrote: »

Hollow sarcasm.

You are letting your mask slip, your attitude on Shannon is crystal clear to me.

I'm sorry, but the "attitude" is coming from the other direction. I'm simply redressing the balance by pointing to the missing facts, given the bias with which the issue was being presented.

imurdaddy wrote: »

So you think people coming to the mid west will chose to fly to dublin? Total nonsense.

But, sure, this is the fact of the matter. There's no artificial stopover forcing airlines to serve a location unless they want to. People who visit Ireland have an interest in more than just the Mid-West. They choose the gateway that best suits their needs. Dublin Airport brings tourists to the Mid-West from a far wider catchment than Shannon ever did.

Sure, none of this is controversial. Shannon Airport's Business Development Manager confirmed this himself, in respect of Ryanair and the European market. It's no different for the US market.

http://www.limerickpost.ie/2011/12/15/power-slams-oleary/

“We had a Ryanair base. We had 32 destinations with Ryanair, 22 of them were to Europe and 80% were outbound. They weren’t really getting the tourists in."

Dublin Airport is far more effective in actually getting tourists from abroad to the West of Ireland. It's another of these obvious facts that, apparently, rankles.

glineli

I work in the West for a US company. Anytime we need to travel to the US, travel agent and aer lingus will always give us options of flights from Dublin. People from the US operation coming to visit us are always put through Dublin on their first trip. Only when we ask them did they fly to Shannon are they surprised to learn about Shannon.

IMO, Aer Lingus will try to push as much US traffic through Dublin.