Shannon Airport (Feb 2012 - Jan 2014)

Palmach

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

You know they'll blag a bit of a discount.;)
And I certainly didn't see "don't let Ryanair into Shannon under any ciscumstances" in your post, but some people only see what they want to see to fit their narrow viewpoint.
Anyone who says "Ryanair never", we can just be thankful they are not in a position of to be able to make those decisions.

Go ahead and ignore the facts if it pleases you.

dr.fuzzenstein

Palmach wrote: »

Go ahead and ignore the facts if it pleases you.

What's to ignore? You stated Shannon should not touch Ryanair with a bargepole. mitresize5 said no such thing. And Ryanair is still flying out of Shannon,and if they decided to open more routes, I'm sure the airport would be well disposed to such an offer.
Ryanair is here for the foreseeable future and any airport would ignore them at their peril.
In the end I don't care who flies in and out of Shannon, but Aer Lingus hates Shannon and wants it gone, Aer France had one look at the place and ran, Lufthansa will never be seen there unless they got seriously lost, Virgin Express is a distant memory, BA is only there on paper, easyJet don't even know it exists, British Midlands didn't want anything to do with it and the list goes on, let's face it, Shannon has tried for years to attract any other European carrier other than Ryanair and failed miserably.
Of course O'Leary is a predatory bastard, but the rest of the industry is populated by kind, well meaning and generous people?
You'd have to be pretty naive in business to think anyone else has any other concern other than their profit and nothing else.
Ryanair is a business and they have discovered by acting obnoxiously they can get free publicity. They're just better at it than anyone else.

Palmach

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

but Aer Lingus hates Shannon and wants it gone,

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/energy-and-resources/aer-lingus-to-expand-shannon-routes-1.1495048

Aer France had one look at the place and ran, Lufthansa will never be seen there unless they got seriously lost, Virgin Express is a distant memory, BA is only there on paper, easyJet don't even know it exists, British Midlands didn't want anything to do with it and the list goes on, let's face it, Shannon has tried for years to attract any other European carrier other than Ryanair and failed miserably.

yet the number of routes has been increased most notably by American full service carriers. One of the reasons other airlines got the hump was when the DAA gave Ruinair a special deal. A stupid thing to do seduced (as you are) by Mickos BS.

irishbloke77

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

What's to ignore? You stated Shannon should not touch Ryanair with a bargepole. mitresize5 said no such thing. And Ryanair is still flying out of Shannon,and if they decided to open more routes, I'm sure the airport would be well disposed to such an offer.
Ryanair is here for the foreseeable future and any airport would ignore them at their peril.
In the end I don't care who flies in and out of Shannon, but Aer Lingus hates Shannon and wants it gone, Aer France had one look at the place and ran, Lufthansa will never be seen there unless they got seriously lost, Virgin Express is a distant memory, BA is only there on paper, easyJet don't even know it exists, British Midlands didn't want anything to do with it and the list goes on, let's face it, Shannon has tried for years to attract any other European carrier other than Ryanair and failed miserably.
Of course O'Leary is a predatory bastard, but the rest of the industry is populated by kind, well meaning and generous people?
You'd have to be pretty naive in business to think anyone else has any other concern other than their profit and nothing else.
Ryanair is a business and they have discovered by acting obnoxiously they can get free publicity. They're just better at it than anyone else.

You have someone on here who was involved in new route discussions who has already stated figures that Ryanair WANTED to be paid to fly into shannon. Ryanair are the vultures here. Ryanair care about profit (as do most) but are prepared to bully their way around. They dont think of what the passenger or airport wants or needs, its their way or no way. If shannon has such an opening for new routes, Ryanair could announce them overnight (like they did in budapest when Malev went bust). Fair dues to the current airport management. Get airlines and routes thay will last. I am not against ryanair flying into shannon, indeed have diacussions with them over new routes. But not to the extent that the airport will have to pay Ryanair to use the facilities.

Also, you listed those airlines so beautifully that had no interest in shannon. Correct me if I am wrong, but Aer lingus hating shannon? In the last 12 months, they have made a bigger increase in numbers to shannon than Ryanair. 50,000 extra transatlantic seats coming up, along with Faro (extended) and the new lanzarote flight. Ryanair extended Liverpool and added Alicante.

That list is interesting as none of those other airlines fly into any other airport in Ireland either (apart from Dublin). Virgin express, theres a blast from the past.I suppose British Midlands being gone is Shannons fault too.

What about the airlines that have started operating into shannon since the days of virgon express. Niki, Air Dubrovnik, US Airways, Air Mediteranean, Aer Arann (EI Regional) just to name a few.

Ryanair came come in if they want to but not to the detriment of the airport.

irishbloke77

Sorry Palmach, looks like we were typing at the same time and came up with similar points. Sorry to step on your toes

RonanM123

yet the number of routes has been increased most notably by American full service carriers. One of the reasons other airlines got the hump was when the DAA gave Ruinair a special deal. A stupid thing to do seduced (as you are) by Mickos BS.

For your information SNN have offered Ryanair a deal for the new routes they have opened or increased this summer. So is that a wonderful thing to do or is it only stupid if the DAA did it.

Jim Martin

RonanM123 wrote: »

For your information SNN have offered Ryanair a deal for the new routes they have opened or increased this summer. So is that a wonderful thing to do or is it only stupid if the DAA did it.

What's this "deal" you have info on?

GCU Flexible Demeanour

RonanM123 wrote: »

For your information SNN have offered Ryanair a deal for the new routes they have opened or increased this summer. So is that a wonderful thing to do or is it only stupid if the DAA did it.

Plus, worth remembering that the original Ryanair deal was presented as a Shannon Airport initiative. For example, in this story from 2005

http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0707/65171-shannon/

Ryanair has announced two new routes out of Shannon beginning in autumn. <...>
Chairman of the airport Pat Shanahan said traffic is booming in the airport and passenger figures up to June are up 66% on last year.
Mr Shanahan said 'it shows that the policy by the new Shannon Airport Board of reducing air tariffs and landing charges to drive passengers through the airport is working'.

Jim Martin wrote: »

What's this "deal" you have info on?

I'd assume he means this

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/business/ryanair-hopeful-for-new-shannon-airport-deal-1-4933475

THE ability of newly independent Shannon Airport to strike its own deals was crucial in Ryanair reinstating seasonal services to popular Alicante, the airline’s deputy chief executive Michael Cawley has said.

Last operated in 2010, Alicante is the first new route announced for Shannon by Ryanair since the airport officially separated from the DAA in January.

Mr Cawley declined to say what deal on charges it had been given but indicated it was more favourable than what had been on offer when Shannon was a DAA operation.<...>

But Mr Cawley said more services for Shannon are in the offing if the airline can strike an agreeable bargain on charges.

It would seem more like an openness to a deal, than an actual deal.

Brennans Row

Re-reading the report that I uploaded sometime ago, it states that Shannon enjoys unique strengths which are lacking in many existing aviation clusters worldwide, most notably its strong linkage with the aircraft leasing industry and its ability to build on existing capabilities to offer services of particular interest to aircraft lessors.

Several large aircraft lessors, most notably GECAS, the world’s largest, have international bases in Shannon, and the integration of the lessors into the local aviation community has been an essential driver of Shannon’s current activity.

It’s interesting to read a post by N7777G on the Aviation forum where two aircraft that where in storage for the last 18 months have now been broken up for parts.

Does anybody know if the so called “Parting Out” was done in Shannon and by whom?

Also anybody aware of plans to build dedicated aircraft parking areas for the lessors based in Shannon?



Photo by eigjb

Parting Out

Currently approximately 450 commercial aircraft are “parted out” or recycled (dismantled for reusable spare parts) worldwide each year 13 , a number which is likely to rise as older types are withdrawn from service due to sustained high fuel prices.

Aircraft recycling is an environmentally friendly, and increasingly lucrative, business. Approximately 80% of an Airbus A320 can be reused in the marketplace, due to the ongoing popularity of the aircraft along with its modern design.

The longevity of the A320 family suggests a profitable ongoing business opportunity for parting out older aircraft of this type.

The sector’s trade body, the Aircraft Fleet Recycling Association, is targeting 90% recyclability of Airbus A320s by 2016.

More cost-effective parting-out can raise the residual value of older aircraft (as their sale value for parting out will grow), thus contributing to taking older aircraft (usually available at relatively low lease rates) out of the worldwide fleet.

This will be of benefit to airlines and lessors alike.

The need to carefully document the provenance of aircraft spare parts, as well as the requirement to comply with increasingly strict waste disposal regulations, makes the business a specialist one, but with strong growth and employment prospects.

Parting out companies are becoming more sophisticated due to tighter regulations but most such firms are still relatively small in scale.

There is an opportunity to build a larger-scale facility, potentially in partnership with a major fleet owner (such as a lessor) or one or more major OEMs, all of whom are becoming increasingly involved in this area.

Through stakeholder discussions, the Task Force has been able to confirm the market opportunities that exist in this sector.

Designated Aircraft Parking

Aircraft lessors periodically have occasion to repossess their aircraft, typically due to airline default. Additionally, the routine management of a lease portfolio may necessitate parking aircraft from time to time, whether for a shorter or longer period.

In such cases, which are effectively unplanned lease transitions, the aircraft need to be stored, typically for weeks or months, until a new lessee can be found for them.

During this time transition checks and sometimes remedial work must be carried out and ultimately the aircraft must be adapted to the new operator’s requirements and painted in their livery.

The presence of reasonably priced dedicated long-term aircraft parking is a key determinant of where the lessor will locate the aircraft during this time.

Flying the aircraft elsewhere for maintenance is costly, so, all else being equal, lessors will have a preference to carry out maintenance and transition work wherever the aircraft is parked.

The provision of ample dedicated aircraft parking space at attractive rates is therefore an effective means of attracting additional maintenance and transition activity.

This has been verified through discussions with major aircraft lessors.

Henry Ford III

Brennans Row wrote: »

...Does anybody know if the so called “Parting Out” was done in Shannon and by whom?...

No, but if the opportunity came up again I know a few lads who'd be interested.

boarsboard

it will not close as its the first airport for flights from America in emergency

irishbloke77

boarsboard wrote: »

it will not close as its the first airport for flights from America in emergency

But that doesn't pay the bills to keep the airport going.

clintondaly

Brennans Row wrote: »

Re-reading the report that I uploaded sometime ago, it states that Shannon enjoys unique strengths which are lacking in many existing aviation clusters worldwide, most notably its strong linkage with the aircraft leasing industry and its ability to build on existing capabilities to offer services of particular interest to aircraft lessors.

Several large aircraft lessors, most notably GECAS, the world’s largest, have international bases in Shannon, and the integration of the lessors into the local aviation community has been an essential driver of Shannon’s current activity.

It’s interesting to read a post by N7777G on the Aviation forum where two aircraft that where in storage for the last 18 months have now been broken up for parts.

Does anybody know if the so called “Parting Out” was done in Shannon and by whom?

Also anybody aware of plans to build dedicated aircraft parking areas for the lessors based in Shannon?



Photo by eigjb

Shannon Aerospace carried out 3 A/C scrappages over the last few months,i have a pic or two i will put them up

clintondaly

lockman

August was the third consecutove month in which the airport recorded growth in passenger numbers. The airport saw a 3% growth in passengers in August relative to the same period in 2012.

For more info, see:
http://www.shannonairport.ie/gns/about-us/latest-news/latest-news/13-09-10/Three-in-a-row_as_Shannon_s_traffic_grows_for_third_consecutive_month.aspx

lockman

There was an interesting piece in Thursday's (14/09/2013) Irish Times regarding the airport's ~9 months of independence. Minsiter for transport, Dr Leo Varadkar, has described the decision to grant Shannon independence from the DAA as "justified".

From the article:

The decision to set up Shannon airport as an entity independent of the Dublin Airport Authority has been justified by its performance in the first year, Minister for Transport Leo Varadkar has said.

He said the new company was doing very well, and the arrangement was working out better than he had envisaged.

“Passenger numbers have recovered and the indications are that Shannon will break even financially this year.”


For more on this, and the article in full:
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/transport-and-tourism/leo-varadkar-says-decision-to-set-up-shannon-as-an-entity-independent-of-the-daa-justified-1.1524117

Brennans Row

Photos: Birr Lad

From looking at the images taken on Saturday, Shannon seems to be attracting corporate jets on route between Europe and the US.

I presume the US preclearance facilities for private aircraft has been beneficial.

According to the Examiner there were 4,500 business jet movements in 2011.

Has anybody seen statistics for 2012, 2013?

Brennans Row

Eirtech Aviation expands into Italian market (Business & Leadership)


An aviation services provider based at Shannon Airport, Eirtech Aviation, is expanding its global footprint with the announcement that it is to start painting aircraft in a hanger at Rome’s Fiumicino Airport.

Based at Shannon Airport in Ireland, Eirtech has operations in Shannon, Dublin, the Czech Republic, Dubai and now Italy.

The Rome facility brings Eirtech Aviation’s number of dedicated aircraft painting locations to four, with over 20,000 sq mtrs of hangarage.

Niall Cunningham, CEO of Eirtech Aviation said, “Our expansion into Rome is the next phase in the company’s development, which is focused on being able to provide state-of-the-art services to clients in geographically advantageous locations.

“Providing multiple location options for clients gives Eirtech Aviation a competitive advantage as moving aircraft for painting and maintenance can be a costly exercise.”

During 2012, Eirtech Aviation painted over 200 narrow and wide-body commercial aircraft and clients include SAS, Qatar Airways, and Lufthansa.

The expansion into the Rome facility, which can cater for all aircraft types, will further strengthen Eirtech’s wide-body capability.

Painting will commence in October following commissioning and handover. In addition to aircraft painting, the company offers a range of aircraft engineering, aircraft finishing and aircraft asset management services.

I’d imagine Michael Guerin and Liam Skelly are very pleased to see Eirtech Aviation grow their business, especially as the original paint-shop hangar was their brain-child to paint Aeroflot Aircraft in order to win the deal to open the Duty Free Shops in Moscow i.e. the birth of Aer Rianta International.

Lufthansa Technik must have taken over the paint-shop hangar from ARI in 1999 and ten years later a management buyout created Eirtech Aviation.

Below a freshly painted Aeroflot Plane with the Aer Rianta International paint-shop in the background (image by Irish251) from 1989.

Brennans Row

Down-sizing the aircraft size in order to increase daily services on a year round basis to New York and Boston sound like a good trade-off a few months back.

Leasing aircraft, leasing pilots and now possibly leasing cabin crew from ACL to serve these existing routes leaves me a bit wary of Aer Lingus real intentions.

Shannon Airport can't afford to be used as a pawn in a looming national industrial dispute between Aer Lingus management and staff unions over manning levels or other hidden agendas.

See (Irish Times) Aer Lingus hints at cabin crew layoffs at Shannon

RonanM123

Brennans Row wrote: »

Down-sizing the aircraft size in order to increase daily services on a year round basis to New York and Boston sound like a good trade-off a few months back.

Leasing aircraft, leasing pilots and now possibly leasing cabin crew from ACL to serve these existing routes leaves me a bit wary of Aer Lingus real intentions.

Shannon Airport can't afford to be used as a pawn in a looming national industrial dispute between Aer Lingus management and staff unions over manning levels or other hidden agendas.

See (Irish Times) Aer Lingus hints at cabin crew layoffs at Shannon

EI have new crew on standby for the B757 services so if current crew based there refuse to operate they will be sacked as no work for them. Crew refusing to work as they have to work slightly harder but have year round jobs but don't want either.

notharrypotter

Crew refusing to work as they have to work slightly harder but have year round jobs but don't want either.

I am not sure its that simple and its discussed in detail elsewhere.



It would appear that unrealistic comparisons of the apple/orange variety are being used.

If the service is to work it should be properly resourced.

It may also be a bigger picture scenario where Aer Lingus management might be trying to get work practice changes implemented on the quiet in Shannon with a plan to implement them in Dublin subsequently?

Brennans Row

World Routes Awards 2013

Around 300 airlines, 750 airports and over 100 destinations were in Las Vegas last week for World Routes, the 19th World Route Development Forum, to discuss the future of air services across the globe in more than 8,000 pre-arranged face-to-face meetings and three high-profile conferences.

Shannon Airport got recognition for its marketing programme since its separation from the DAA. It received a “Highly Commended” award in the “Airport Under 4 Million Passenger Category”.

This is the type of publicity that money can’t buy!

lockman

More good news from the airport with September witnessing a fourth consecutive month of growth in passenger numbers at the airport. In addition, United have announced that the Shannon-Chicago service which they introduced for the summer season this year, will return in 2014 with increased capacity.

From the airport's news section:

http://www.shannonairport.ie/gns/about-us/latest-news/latest-news/13-10-14/Good_news_on_the_double_for_Shannon_as_United_Airlines_return_next_year_with_88_more_capacity_on_Chicago_service_as_Airport_records_fourth_consecutive_month_of_passenger_growth.aspx

Good news on the double for Shannon as United Airlines return next year with 88% more capacity on Chicago service as Airport records fourth consecutive month of passenger growth.

14 October 2013

Shannon Airport has described the announcement by United Airlines today of not just the return of its Shannon-Chicago service next year but the almost doubling of capacity as another significant vote of confidence in the quality and unique tourism product across the West of Ireland. The announcement comes as Shannon Airport reveals that it has achieved a fourth consecutive month of passenger growth with a 7% growth in month-over-month figures for September. Total passenger numbers in September were 276,289, with transatlantic services enjoying a 21% on September last year and European services showing a 4% increase.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

Brennans Row wrote: »

<...>Shannon Airport got recognition for its marketing programme since its separation from the DAA. It received a “Highly Commended” award in the “Airport Under 4 Million Passenger Category”.

This is the type of publicity that money can’t buy!

Well done Shannon, on pushing Ekaterinburg Koltsovo Airport and Kyiv International Airport (Zhuliany) into fourth and fifth place.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/221489/press-release-world-routes-awards-2013-winners-announced/

irishbloke77

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

Well done Shannon, on pushing Ekaterinburg Koltsovo Airport and Kyiv International Airport (Zhuliany) into fourth and fifth place.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/221489/press-release-world-routes-awards-2013-winners-announced/

Surely there are other airports in this category in competition too, not just these 5? Don't see Cork or Dublin on any list? Why not?

Brennans Row

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

Well done Shannon, on pushing Ekaterinburg Koltsovo Airport and Kyiv International Airport (Zhuliany) into fourth and fifth place.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/221489/press-release-world-routes-awards-2013-winners-announced/

By insinuating, are you not looking down your nose on those two airports too?

Do you have an issue with Russian or Ukrainian contestants?

GCU Flexible Demeanour

irishbloke77 wrote: »

Surely there are other airports in this category in competition too, not just these 5?

I've actually no idea what the entry criteria are, or how many sub-4 million passenger airports were included.

Brennans Row wrote: »

By insinuating, are you not looking down your nose on those two airports too?

Do you have an issue with Russian or Ukrainian contestants?

Why would you feel there's any insinuation involved? Are you suggesting that Ekaterinburg Koltsovo Airport and Kyiv International Airport (Zhuliany) don't deserve their accolades?

notharrypotter

I think its the way you phrased your comment which is the problem

Well done Shannon

.

Is a positive comment.

Adding

on pushing Ekaterinburg Koltsovo Airport and Kyiv International Airport (Zhuliany) into fourth and fifth place

serves no purpose, except possibly to slight the result achieved.

It seems that there is some sort of regional competition and the 5 names airports are the winners in their respective regions.

Under 4m Passengers

• Darwin International Airport - Winner
• Kilimanjaro International Airport – Highly Commended
• Shannon Airport – Highly Commended
• Ekaterinburg Koltsovo Airport
• Kyiv International Airport (Zhuliany)

GCU Flexible Demeanour

notharrypotter wrote: »

serves no purpose, except possibly to slight the result achieved.

Again, that only works if folk like yourself feel that the result achieved is less spectacular, if that's the competition.

notharrypotter wrote: »

It seems that there is some sort of regional competition and the 5 names airports are the winners in their respective regions.

Have you a basis for that statement? I can't help noticing that half of the airports in the 20 - 50 million category are in Western Europe. How did they emerge from different regional competitions?

Plus, here's the list of European regional award winners.

UNDER 4 MILLION PASSENGERS
Aberdeen International Airport - Winner
Krakow Airport - Highly Commended
Tallinn Airport - Highly Commended
London City Airport
London Southend Airport

http://www.eturbonews.com/34936/largest-routes-event-europe-ever

That suggests, whatever the way this works, Shannon didn't come up from the regional awards.

Incidently, did anyone actually hear of these awards before today?

Clareman

The way most awards go is if you get into a higher category you don't place in a lower 1, so not being up for a regional award is probably because they were up for a global one.