Shannon Airport (Feb 2012 - Jan 2014)

GCU Flexible Demeanour

Clareman wrote: »

The way most awards go is if you get into a higher category you don't place in a lower 1, so not being up for a regional award is probably because they were up for a global one.

But that doesn't stack up, as Munich, Vienna and Athens Airports feature on both the regional and world lists.

Plus, you seem to be saying the exact reverse of what this guy says.

notharrypotter wrote: »

It seems that there is some sort of regional competition and the 5 names airports are the winners in their respective regions.

Has anyone actually heard of these awards before? Has any of us got a clue what this actually amounts to?

Brennans Row

Brennans Row wrote: »

World Routes Awards 2013

Around 300 airlines, 750 airports and over 100 destinations were in Las Vegas last week for World Routes, the 19th World Route Development Forum, to discuss the future of air services across the globe in more than 8,000 pre-arranged face-to-face meetings and three high-profile conferences.

Shannon Airport got recognition for its marketing programme since its separation from the DAA. It received a “Highly Commended” award in the “Airport Under 4 Million Passenger Category”.

This is the type of publicity that money can’t buy!

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

Well done Shannon, on pushing Ekaterinburg Koltsovo Airport and Kyiv International Airport (Zhuliany) into fourth and fifth place.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/221489/press-release-world-routes-awards-2013-winners-announced/

Brennans Row wrote: »

By insinuating, are you not looking down your nose on those two airports too?

Do you have an issue with Russian or Ukrainian contestants?

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

Why would you feel there's any insinuation involved? Are you suggesting that Ekaterinburg Koltsovo Airport and Kyiv International Airport (Zhuliany) don't deserve their accolades?

Its blatantly obvious and you are very well aware of it too.

For the life of me I can't fathom why you keep persisting to comment here in such a devious manner.

I seem to keep coming back to this point with you again and again.

Is there any possibility you knock off being the negative wise guy and instead post your opinions in a more constructive manner?

There is still so much stuff I would like to know about Shannon Airport.

Clareman

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

But that doesn't stack up, as Munich, Vienna and Athens Airports feature on both the regional and world lists.

Plus, you seem to be saying the exact reverse of what this guy says.Has anyone actually heard of these awards before? Has any of us got a clue what this actually amounts to?

This isn't an Aviation forum, if you want to debate the validity or the structure of the awards feel free to go to the relevant forum.

Brennans Row

Some more good innovating news from Eirtech. :cool:

Shannon’s Eirtech Aviation wins contract with Canadian airline WestJet (Irish Times)

The contract will see Eirtech engineers install and maintain an advanced warning cabin pressurisation systems on the airline’s Boeing 737 fleet.

Eirtech was chosen for the contract after presenting a solution that was both time-saving and also cost-effective, enabling the fastest turn-around possible on installation and minimising down time for the fleet.

The solution, developed by Eirtech, will provide a further level of warning and awareness for flight crews by improving visual and aural annunciation in the cockpit enabling pilots to accurately and safely differentiate between take-off configuration indicators and cabin altitude pressurisation warnings.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

Brennans Row wrote: »

Is there any possibility you knock off being the negative wise guy and instead post your opinions in a more constructive manner?

I can certainly commit to tailoring the style of any individual post to the point that I feel needs to be brought out.

Clareman wrote: »

This isn't an Aviation forum, if you want to debate the validity or the structure of the awards feel free to go to the relevant forum.

I do apologise for responding to your post in the same thread & forum in which it was made.

Clareman

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

I do apologise for responding to your post in the same thread & forum in which it was made.

No bother, just note that there are threads in here about restaurants as well, people don't go into details about building/running as business/recipes, there gets a stage where a discussion/question is best taken to a specialist forum, I think some of your questions have reached that point.

Brennans Row

Shannon Development to make 50 years of archives available (Limerick Leader)

Over fifty years of archives at Shannon Development are to be digitised and made available to the general public, the company has announced.

Legislation is being advanced to merge what remains of the tourism and industrial development company with Shannon Airport into the Shannon Group Plc and the archives will remain in the ownership of that new entity.

The collection comprises photographs, press clippings, brochures, annual reports and other documents dating back to the 1950s and charting the agency’s evolution and the industrial development of the Mid-West over that period. Among the photographic element of the collection are over 70,000 black and white negatives, 40,000 transparencies and 10,000 colour negatives.

“The collection contains an extremely significant historic legacy chronicling over 50 years of the Shannon region’s tourism, industrial and social evolution. In photos and words, it records the early days at Shannon Airport and the birth of the world’s first industrial free zone,” stated a company spokesperson.

It will definitely make a great resource to research and I’m sure we will see a few books being published as a result of those archives been made public.

Jhcx

You know im looking forward to the future for Shannon Airport its going to be Ireland's Gatwick. Im a bit disappointed about ryanair being the only german route from shannon. I understand they are great for the airport. But we need more and hopefully we get the likes of german wings to keep the competition.

Like SNN is my love. my favourite airport and i want it to destroy the other Irish airports. There is great potential in Shannon to position its self as a transatlantic hub. Open space few restrictions. facilities across the boards. Great bus and car corridor. and once we have the support behind this wonderful airport it will go far. If i could invest in the airport id love to.

Anyway just wanted to share my latest love for the airport and no matter how far i will go or how many airports i work in Shannon airport will always be home.

Brennans Row

Jhcx wrote: »

Im a bit disappointed about ryanair being the only german route from shannon.

It must be a phantom route! You will drive dr.fuzzenstein nuts!

Jhcx wrote: »

Like SNN is my love. my favourite airport and i want it to destroy the other Irish airports.

You haven’t been drinking today?

GCU Flexible Demeanour

Jhcx wrote: »

i want it to destroy the other Irish airports

That's frequently how it feels.

Jhcx

Brennans Row wrote: »

It must be a phantom route! You will drive dr.fuzzenstein nuts!

You haven’t been drinking today?

Well i hope the route is very successful regardless. any business at all is great. and i really hope shannon push for more airlines and show the DAA that they are a virus. cause for years we lived in the shadows of the DAA

Well if you think ive been drinking now(Havent had a drink in ages) god knows what people think of me :pac:

Brennans Row

No sooner was the air travel tax abolished in yesterday’s budget, there appears to be possibilities for new Ryanair routes next spring.

Ryanair's Chief Operating Officer Michael Cawley (live95fm)

Shannon Airport’s CEO Neil Pakey (live95fm)

GCU Flexible Demeanour

Jhcx wrote: »

<...> for years we lived in the shadows of the DAA

A very strange comment. There isn't a square foot of land in the State that's received more support than Shannon Airport; all other airports have had to deal with the reality that official policy has traditionally given priority to Shannon.

angelfire9

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

A very strange comment. There isn't a square foot of land in the State that's received more support than Shannon Airport; all other airports have had to deal with the reality that official policy has traditionally given priority to Shannon.

What? You are kidding right??

Clareman

Ok GCU Flexible Demeanour I'm starting to think that you are just trolling at this stage so please take this as your 1 and only on thread warning, please adjust your posting style or I'll have to start handing out infractions.

Rightwing

What SNN needs is a strong region, I've noticed a few companies starting to move into Limk, nearly the first in 15 years.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

angelfire9 wrote: »

What? You are kidding right??

No, I'm not kidding. The facts are:
Since the 1950s, Shannon Airport has had a State agency with a specific function to develop traffic for the airport (Shannon Development, with which it is now being merged)
Since the 1950s and up until the European Commission struck it down on State Aid grounds, Shannon had a special tax rate for businesses opening up in its designated zone.
No other airport (and, in particular, Dublin) was allowed to build a 3,000 metre runway, specifically to eliminate any possibility of long-haul services locating anywhere else.
Up until the Open Skies Agreement, as we know, T/A airlines were obliged to stop at Shannon - with partial relief given in the latter years of this arrangement.
Agreements with the US authorities on customs/immigration have typically required operations to open in Shannon first, and typically Shannon is given some monopoly as part of the arrangement (such as business jets)
More recently, Shannon is being excused of its debts which will be picked up by daa. Cork, Knock and others would be happy to have that deal.

Can anyone dispute these plan facts, which I've stated in plain language without any "devious" or prejorative phrasing?

Rightwing

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

No, I'm not kidding. The facts are:
Since the 1950s, Shannon Airport has had a State agency with a specific function to develop traffic for the airport (Shannon Development, with which it is now being merged)
Since the 1950s and up until the European Commission struck it down on State Aid grounds, Shannon had a special tax rate for businesses opening up in its designated zone.
No other airport (and, in particular, Dublin) was allowed to build a 3,000 metre runway, specifically to eliminate any possibility of long-haul services locating anywhere else.
Up until the Open Skies Agreement, as we know, T/A airlines were obliged to stop at Shannon - with partial relief given in the latter years of this arrangement.
Agreements with the US authorities on customs/immigration have typically required operations to open in Shannon first, and typically Shannon is given some monopoly as part of the arrangement (such as business jets)
More recently, Shannon is being excused of its debts which will be picked up by daa. Cork, Knock and others would be happy to have that deal.

Can anyone dispute these plan facts, which I've stated in plain language without any "devious" or prejorative phrasing?

There's truth in this, but have these state agencies done anything apart from collect massive wages and pensions?

Also, the system that existed whereby the DAA decided which routes the airport could operate was laughable. A bit like Tescos telling Lidl which brands it could sell.

Clareman

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

No, I'm not kidding. The facts are:

As you are not kidding I can only assume you are trolling, as per my warning above I have applied a warning for your post for persistent trolling

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

Since the 1950s, Shannon Airport has had a State agency with a specific function to develop traffic for the airport (Shannon Development, with which it is now being merged)

Shannon Development is for the whole region, not just the airport, it's function was to operate as the IDA in the mid-west region.

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

Since the 1950s and up until the European Commission struck it down on State Aid grounds, Shannon had a special tax rate for businesses opening up in its designated zone.

The Shannon Free Zone was an innovative business model which was closed due to changes to EU law, to say it was "struck down" by the EU is like saying the national Corporation Tax rate is going to be struck down.

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

No other airport (and, in particular, Dublin) was allowed to build a 3,000 metre runway, specifically to eliminate any possibility of long-haul services locating anywhere else

Not allowed!!!! Shannon has evolved from being a sea plane port and is on a lot of reclaimed land, it was possible to have such a long run way because of all the space available.

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

Up until the Open Skies Agreement, as we know, T/A airlines were obliged to stop at Shannon - with partial relief given in the latter years of this arrangement.

Not only obliged but forced to because of aviation ranges and other issues, it was beneficial to airlines to stop in Shannon for a long time as well.

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

Agreements with the US authorities on customs/immigration have typically required operations to open in Shannon first, and typically Shannon is given some monopoly as part of the arrangement (such as business jets)

This is just wrong

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

More recently, Shannon is being excused of its debts which will be picked up by daa. Cork, Knock and others would be happy to have that deal.

What are the others? The DAA has nothing to do with Knock, it also benefited from Shannon as well.

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

Can anyone dispute these plan facts, which I've stated in plain language without any "devious" or prejorative phrasing?

I don't think there is a plan and I believe you to be trolling at this stage, I would recommend you bring this discussion thread to the Aviation forum where you will get a lot more informative debate and some education I'm sure.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

Clareman wrote: »

Shannon Development is for the whole region, not just the airport, it's function was to operate as the IDA in the mid-west region.

Shannon Development was specifically set up to generate traffic for Shannon Airport. It did take on other functions, as you say, similar to IDA for a period. But it always retained the function to generate traffic for the airport.

Clareman wrote: »

The Shannon Free Zone was an innovative business model which was closed due to changes to EU law, to say it was "struck down" by the EU is like saying the national Corporation Tax rate is going to be struck down.

This is pedantry, as the point is that the tax regime only ended because of external forces. No decision was taken within Ireland to end the regime, same as with the stopover.

Clareman wrote: »

Not allowed!!!! Shannon has evolved from being a sea plane port and is on a lot of reclaimed land, it was possible to have such a long run way because of all the space available.

A specific limit on the length of the runway at Dublin Airport was included in the Stopover regime.

Clareman wrote: »

Not only obliged but forced to because of aviation ranges and other issues, it was beneficial to airlines to stop in Shannon for a long time as well.

For a brief period in the 1950s, Shannon got traffic for the reason you State. But the aviation range issue is frequently overstated. The very first East-West Trans-atlantic flight took off from Baldonnel, Dublin in 1928. Shannon opened its doors, what, nearly twenty years later?.

Clareman wrote: »

This is just wrong

In what respect?

Clareman wrote: »

What are the others? The DAA has nothing to do with Knock, it also benefited from Shannon as well.

Can you name an Irish airport that wouldn't want it's debt excused? Knock, specifically, has sought a similar level of support.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

Rightwing wrote: »

There's truth in this, but have these state agencies done anything apart from collect massive wages and pensions?

I don't think that invalidates the point that huge resources were devoted to Shannon, frequently at the expense of other regions.

Rightwing wrote: »

Also, the system that existed whereby the DAA decided which routes the airport could operate was laughable. A bit like Tescos telling Lidl which brands it could sell.

Ah, come on. A regime that places a legal obligation on airlines to land at Shannon trumps any operational role that the daa ever had. All the time, Shannon Development had a specific remit to generate traffic for the airport. And, let's not forget, when the original deal was done with Ryanair it was presented as a triumph by Shannon Airport management. There's too much of a tendancy to claim that local management had no discretion, and then lionises them for anything that seemed like a good news story.

Clareman

GCU Flexible Demeanour banned for day for persistent trolling and ignoring mod's instruction

dr.fuzzenstein

Brennans Row wrote: »

It must be a phantom route! You will drive dr.fuzzenstein nuts!

You haven’t been drinking today?

Yeah, break my heart all over again! ;-)

Rightwing

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

I don't think that invalidates the point that huge resources were devoted to Shannon, frequently at the expense of other regions.
Ah, come on. A regime that places a legal obligation on airlines to land at Shannon trumps any operational role that the daa ever had. All the time, Shannon Development had a specific remit to generate traffic for the airport. And, let's not forget, when the original deal was done with Ryanair it was presented as a triumph by Shannon Airport management. There's too much of a tendancy to claim that local management had no discretion, and then lionises them for anything that seemed like a good news story.

That's gone with about 20 yrs.

I'm not praising management, i think all the airports should be cut free from the DAA and let them operate as they wish.

Whether it's the airport or the region, there has been massive neglect in the midwest over the last 15 years. Prior to that, it did well, no question about that.

dr.fuzzenstein

Whatever happened to Niki Air's flight to Vienna?
http://www.limericknewswire.com/2011/04/08/5210/new-routes-give-further-boost-to-shannon/

GCU Flexible Demeanour

Rightwing wrote: »

That's gone with about 20 yrs.

No, the Stopover only ended in 2008. It was amended about 20 years ago, so that only half of all flights had to land in Shannon.

Rightwing wrote: »

I'm not praising management, i think all the airports should be cut free from the DAA and let them operate as they wish.

I've no axe to grind with management, past or present. I think everyone can agree that independence for Shannon is the best strategy, for all regions.

Rightwing wrote: »

Whether it's the airport or the region, there has been massive neglect in the midwest over the last 15 years. Prior to that, it did well, no question about that.

I'm not sure this view is sustainable. 15 years would take us back to 1998. In 2000, Shannon got its extended terminal - with capacity for over 5 million passengers. In 2004 (IIRC) you'd the Ryanair deal, which got a lot of endorsement within the region and at national political level. And Government policy on Open Skies attempted to get an exemption for Shannon. It was the US that wouldn't wear it. If Shannon hasn't achieved whatever it is that people expect, I can't see how that can be blamed on a lack of official support.

dr.fuzzenstein

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

No, the Stopover only ended in 2008. It was amended about 20 years ago, so that only half of all flights had to land in Shannon.I've no axe to grind with management, past or present. I think everyone can agree that independence for Shannon is the best strategy, for all regions.I'm not sure this view is sustainable. 15 years would take us back to 1998. In 2000, Shannon got its extended terminal - with capacity for over 5 million passengers. In 2004 (IIRC) you'd the Ryanair deal, which got a lot of endorsement within the region and at national political level. And Government policy on Open Skies attempted to get an exemption for Shannon. It was the US that wouldn't wear it. If Shannon hasn't achieved whatever it is that people expect, I can't see how that can be blamed on a lack of official support.

The problem was the official support Shannon got, in fact Shannon's loss was Dublin's gain.
However much they where losing, I bet Dublin was making more, so I'm sure it paid the DAA to bleed Shannon dry. Eventually they would have said "Oh look at that crock of an Airport, better get rid of it" and went on a two week champagne bender to celebrate.
It was just in the nick of time Dublin's grip on Shannon was wrested away before they could destroy the airport.
It was like handing control of Burger King over to McDonalds.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

The problem was the official support Shannon got, in fact Shannon's loss was Dublin's gain.

I'm sorry, but that statement just doesn't match with the plain facts of the matter. It was the Shannon lobby that inflicted harm on Dublin, not the other way round.

I'm not saying that's a truth that's easy to live with. But it is the simple truth. You simply cannot deny the massive benefits given to Shannon for decades, and the obstacles erected to prevent other airports from developing traffic.

Cosmo Kramer

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

I'm sorry, but that statement just doesn't match with the plain facts of the matter. It was the Shannon lobby that inflicted harm on Dublin, not the other way round.

I'm not saying that's a truth that's easy to live with. But it is the simple truth. You simply cannot deny the massive benefits given to Shannon for decades, and the obstacles erected to prevent other airports from developing traffic.

GCU you are right of course, Shannon is a complete basket case of an airport and everyone outside of the mid west knows that well. If it was genuinely made to stand on its own feet it would be dead in five years.

However, criticising Shannon in the mid west is akin to sleeping with your best friends girlfriend down there...after all - as seen on this thread recently - the locals seem to actually be 'in love' with the airport at this point!

Anyway, I think Clareman is probably right, there is a need for a separate thread on Shannon in the A&A section of boards to discuss the reality of the place. That way the delusional love in can continue unabated over here.

Cosmo Kramer

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

If it was genuinely made to stand on its own feet it would be dead in five years.
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Luckily for Shannon Leo's endless charity means that shannon will never have to stand on its own feet.

Amazing how they can cut important items of the disability budget on a whim, but have no problem awarding shannon several million of yearly rents that should be going to the taxpayer and needed services. Considering just how few people use it, You have to wonder what kind of outside influences have made successive governments pump hundreds of millions into this white elephant.