Irish women earn 17% less than Irish men

flyswatter

DonQuay1 wrote: »

Off the top of my head - didn't the female 'grunting' Wimbledon players want comparable prize money for less work? 3 sets for women - 5 sets for men.

Is that what women regard as equal???

An example of PC gone mad if ever there was one.

_Kaiser_

smash wrote: »

In fairness, why give a toss about company commitments when you're pregnant? Your health is more important.

While true, that "attitude" (for want of a better term) won't get you far in our performance-driven capitalist economy

Shenshen wrote: »

9 months?
Wow.
I've never been in any company where anyone took more than 6 months...

I worked with one girl who had 3 children more-or-less in succession. Now she was perfectly entitled to do so, but it meant that she wasn't in the office for the best part of 3/4 years and that job had to be kept open for her even though she wasn't there to do it.

Again, perfectly legal and fair play to her... but there's no way a man would get away with that sort of absenteeism.
A guy I used to work with was called 2 days after burying his mother to ask when he'd be returning - and I might add, it was a level 1 callcentre helpdesk role he was doing at the time.. not exactly "mission critical" stuff!

christmas2012

I know of women who have been pushed out of their job due to pregnancy..so it doesnt always work out like that,and companies are very judgemental of a womans age when she goes for interview,if she is well under the late thirties they are thinking she wants kids,even though its illegal to ask the family question or status question,they do have ways of weighing you up and judging what stage of life you are at..which is unfair and discrimintory..

laoch na mona

women and men are equal in Ireland

DonQuay1

laoch na mona wrote: »

women and men are equal

Really? Interesting concept!

(I've run out of smilies tonight!)

Madam_X

laoch na mona wrote: »

women and men are equal

... but different. And not equal in certain areas.

In parts of the non western world they're definitely not equal unfortunately.

laoch na mona

DonQuay1 wrote: »

Really? Interesting concept!

(I've run out of smilies tonight!)

how aren't they
a male in any job gets the same as a female in the same job

Madam_X

Well men are definitely unequal in the eyes of the law when it comes to fathers' rights.

Scanlas The 2nd

Owen_S wrote: »

There really isn't any argument regarding this 'study'. Earning 17% less on average doesn't suggest any inequality - inequality would be earning 17% less for doing the exact same work, which isn't the case.

That still doesn't tell the whole story, the better negotiator will get more on average.

Eoin

christmas2012 wrote: »

and companies are very judgemental of a womans age when she goes for interview,if she is well under the late thirties they are thinking she wants kids,even though its illegal to ask the family question or status question,they do have ways of weighing you up and judging what stage of life you are at..which is unfair and discrimintory..

This is one of the reasons why parents should have the option to share maternity leave. It seems to me that it's such an obvious thing to do.

Also, I'd say some companies are judgemental. Any that offer maternity pay most likely aren't for a start.

OhLongJohnson

dodderangler wrote: »

For those lucky few that are workin

Lucky few?
86% are working, 4% are people who've chosen welfare as a life choice so 10% are the real unemployed at the moment.

What you mean is the unluck few who aren't working.

It's not luck that got me my job.

With regards to the topic, keep forcing equality on businesses where there is a genuine cause behind perceived inequality and see what happens. I know quite a few men who'll only hire the minimum amount of women these days thanks to people taking the piss with maternity leave and sick days.

In order to progress, we need to get rid of maternity leave entitlements, especially the entitlement to have your job held while you're gone. I'm sorry but if I'm choosing between a mid twenties+ woman and a man the same age with the same skills then I'm hiring the guy 100% of the time. The cost of training the woman with the risk she may leave soon after she joins, on the companies pocket, then I've to hire and train a temp while she's gone, let go of that temp and resume with the woman. That's if she comes back at all and there would be a question over the level of concentration a new mother could give the job also.

No way, hiring the guy 100% of the time.

pickarooney

DonQuay1 wrote: »

Off the top of my head - didn't the female 'grunting' Wimbledon players want comparable prize money for less work? 3 sets for women - 5 sets for men.

Is that what women regard as equal???

Yeah, obviously anyone winning in straight sets should be paid less prize money than someone who goes to four tie-breaks and 18-16.

Shenshen

OhLongJohnson wrote: »

Lucky few?
86% are working, 4% are people who've chosen welfare as a life choice so 10% are the real unemployed at the moment.

What you mean is the unluck few who aren't working.

It's not luck that got me my job.

With regards to the topic, keep forcing equality on businesses where there is a genuine cause behind perceived inequality and see what happens. I know quite a few men who'll only hire the minimum amount of women these days thanks to people taking the piss with maternity leave and sick days.

In order to progress, we need to get rid of maternity leave entitlements, especially the entitlement to have your job held while you're gone. I'm sorry but if I'm choosing between a mid twenties+ woman and a man the same age with the same skills then I'm hiring the guy 100% of the time. The cost of training the woman with the risk she may leave soon after she joins, on the companies pocket, then I've to hire and train a temp while she's gone, let go of that temp and resume with the woman. That's if she comes back at all and there would be a question over the level of concentration a new mother could give the job also.

No way, hiring the guy 100% of the time.

And this is exaclty why there has to be a legal entitlement for men to take paternity leave.