Trappatoni Win% Record

Rhys Essien

Percentages of all games won.

Current International Managers

Vincent del Bosque - Spain - 84.3%
Erik Hamren - Sweden 69.5%
Joachim Low - Germany 68.4%
Bert van Marwijk - Holland 68.18%
Slaven Bilic - Croatia 67.8%
Egil Olsen - Norway 60.7%
Laurent Blanc - France 57.9%
Fernando Santos - Greece 55.5%
Morten Olsen - Denmark 52.8%
Trappatoni - Ireland 43.2%

Other

Hiddink - Russia 61.5%
Erikson - England 59.7%
Van Gaal - Holland 57.14%
Trappatoni Italy 56.8%

Ireland Managers

Brian Kerr 53%
Jack Charlton 50%
Giovanni Trappatoni 43.2%
Mick McCarthy 42.6%

Looking at this with teams like Sweden,Croatia,Denmark,Norway and Greece(similar level) who are well ahead.

I think Brian Kerr was shafted considering he didnt have a lot of the players that Trap has at his disposal.

Also looking at this,Traps International managment ability should be looked at considering he bombed at Italy in 2002 only for Lippi to win the World cup in 2006.

For those who say that he got us to Euro2012, I think my grandmother would have got us qualified.

Stats above dont lie and show that our style well and truly stinks.

homerjay2005

lol at the comparisons above to some of the best teams in world football, teams with millions of people to grow into top class footballers, to pick from. counties where football is their primary game, countries that have always been at the top of world football. if you want to make a fair comparison, wheres the win% of managers from wales, the congo, slovakia and georgia?
the only stats i care about for trap is -

2 campaigns = 2 play off finishes.

we are the 27th most populated nation playing european football, competiting against nations with 30, 40 and 50+ million people in their country. poor finishing in both legs against france (we had 4 one on ones) and a dodgy reffing decision cost us a world cup place.

brian kerr did a great job, but it wasnt good enough, his record shows 2 campaigns - a 3rd and 4th place finish. its a results business and trappa has 2 defeats in 24 competitive games and 12 games unbeaten away from home. and oh ya, we have conceeded two goals in 10 game, unbeaten in almost one year also.

what more do you f*cking want?

L'prof

Forget the stats, Kerr didn't qualify for a major tournament while Trap has qualified for one and narrowly missed out on another. I don't necessarily like the way we play, but I don't want to get rid of him just because people seem to think we're under-performing. I don't see us doing much better whenever he does leave to be honest!

gosplan

Are you basically saying that Trapp's a conservative manager and picks up a lot of draws?

:eek:

No way!!

Mr.Crinklewood

gosplan wrote: »

Are you basically saying that Trapp's a conservative manager and picks up a lot of draws?

:eek:

No way!!

He is the love child of Maggie Thatcher and Rolf Harris.

Rhys Essien

homerjay2005 wrote: »

lol at the comparisons above to some of the best teams in world football, teams with millions of people to grow into top class footballers, to pick from. counties where football is their primary game, countries that have always been at the top of world football. if you want to make a fair comparison, wheres the win% of managers from wales, the congo, slovakia and georgia?
the only stats i care about for trap is -

2 campaigns = 2 play off finishes.

we are the 27th most populated nation playing european football, competiting against nations with 30, 40 and 50+ million people in their country. poor finishing in both legs against france (we had 4 one on ones) and a dodgy reffing decision cost us a world cup place.

brian kerr did a great job, but it wasnt good enough, his record shows 2 campaigns - a 3rd and 4th place finish. its a results business and trappa has 2 defeats in 24 competitive games and 12 games unbeaten away from home. and oh ya, we have conceeded two goals in 10 game, unbeaten in almost one year also.

what more do you f*cking want?

We are going into a tournement where winning only matters.Kerr won more games with a lesser squad and had tougher qualifing campaigns.We were lucky to get Estonia in the play offs.Had we got anyone else we were fcuked.
How many draws did we had in qualifing?
All I am saying is going forward,having draws is not good enough.

With the stats as it stands,Trap is on the same level as Mick McCarthy at international level.

Rekop dog

Epic fail. Italy's exit to South Korea in the 02 world cup was one of the most controversial and unjust in the history of World Cups.

Rhys Essien

Rekop dog wrote: »

Epic fail. Italy's exit to South Korea in the 02 world cup was one of the most controversial and unjust in the history of World Cups.

At the 2004 European Championship, Italy once again failed to impress. They drew with both Denmark and Sweden, leading to an unexpected early exit despite being undefeated in the group stage with two ties and a win. On 25 June 2004, Marcello Lippi was named as Trapattoni's replacement, as his contract ran out on 15 July 2004

SantryRed

He is/was lucky. I'll say it time and time again but we are blessed we haven't been tonked in any games. We're not defensively solid. We give up possession to EVERY one, even sh1t teams. They just get lucky the majority of the time. We never grasp opportunities under Trap either.

Paully D

We haven't spent Trappatoni's reign beating the likes of the North Pole in friendlies though, like teams such as Greece.

gosplan

Rekop dog wrote: »

Epic fail. Italy's exit to South Korea in the 02 world cup was one of the most controversial and unjust in the history of World Cups.

OP's right in a way though. All Italian's I know love Trap but felt at the time that he was too negative for their national team.

BTW OP, why didn't you just post the loss rates instead? - I imagine it tell a different story.

FlawedGenius

If Kerr had a group consisting of Russia and Solvakia, hed have got us the euros aswell. Kerr had a good France team who ended up getting to the final, and a decent Swizz team.
Under Kerr wed also play more positive football with some youth sprinkled in Mcarthy/Coleman/Mclean who are definetly better than Paul Green, Andrews/Whelan and Duff as he is moreless finished.

gosplan

FlawedGenius wrote: »

If Kerr had a group consisting of Russia and Solvakia, hed have got us the euros aswell. Kerr had a good France team who ended up getting to the final, and a decent Swizz team.
Under Kerr wed also play more positive football with some youth sprinkled in Mcarthy/Coleman/Mclean who are definetly better than Paul Green, Andrews/Whelan and Duff as he is moreless finished.

Ha.

It wasn't France and Switzerland that was Kerr's problem, it was conceding a late equaliser to Israel ... twice!!!

I agree that it'd be nice to play positive football but it was useless to Kerr because they weren't solid and conceded sloppy equalisers.

Rekop dog

Rhys Essien wrote: »

At the 2004 European Championship, Italy once again failed to impress. They drew with both Denmark and Sweden, leading to an unexpected early exit despite being undefeated in the group stage with two ties and a win. On 25 June 2004, Marcello Lippi was named as Trapattoni's replacement, as his contract ran out on 15 July 2004

So you retract your statement that they "bombed" in the 02 world cup?


S Korea were given a penalty that never should have been. Totti was sent off for diving when it was never a dive and should have been a penalty. Two legitimate goals were wrongly adjudged offside. Same referee was involved in other games that were extremely suspect post world cup, also arrested for heroin smuggling.

That was a pretty weak world cup so Italy could have easily gone on and won it.

tolosenc

FlawedGenius wrote: »

If Kerr had a group consisting of Russia and Solvakia, hed have got us the euros aswell. Kerr had a good France team who ended up getting to the final, and a decent Swizz team.
Under Kerr wed also play more positive football with some youth sprinkled in Mcarthy/Coleman/Mclean who are definetly better than Paul Green, Andrews/Whelan and Duff as he is moreless finished.

Not only did Kerr have France, and a good Swiss team, but he also finished behind giants of the international game in Israel too. The Swiss team in 04 were not substantially better than the Slovaks this time around. The main difference between Trap and Kerr is that we don't bottle it in matches we should win, particularly on the road.

Rhys Essien wrote: »

At the 2004 European Championship, Italy once again failed to impress. They drew with both Denmark and Sweden, leading to an unexpected early exit despite being undefeated in the group stage with two ties and a win. On 25 June 2004, Marcello Lippi was named as Trapattoni's replacement, as his contract ran out on 15 July 2004

He went out of Euro 2004 because Sweden tonked Bulgaria and neither Denmark nor Italy did.

Laois_Man

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Kerr won more games with a lesser squad and had tougher qualifing campaigns.

Who prey tell are all these superstars Trapp has that Kerr didn't have?

Trapp's 2010 qualifying group included those World Champions you speak so highly of. Both he and Kerr faced qualification games with Russia and France. But Kerr never got a team like Italy as world Champions!

Rhys Essien wrote: »

With the stats as it stands,Trap is on the same level as Mick McCarthy at international level.

Surely McCarthy was the one of the 3 with the best players to pick from and while at their best ages!

I don't think you have a clue yanno!

cgpg5

FlawedGenius wrote: »

If Kerr had a group consisting of Russia and Solvakia, hed have got us the euros aswell. Kerr had a good France team who ended up getting to the final, and a decent Swizz team.
Under Kerr wed also play more positive football with some youth sprinkled in Mcarthy/Coleman/Mclean who are definetly better than Paul Green, Andrews/Whelan and Duff as he is moreless finished.

The same Swiss team that struggled to beat Togo in the tournament itself and scored zero penalties in a shoot out against Ukraine? Also France were poor enough in the qualifiers. Its doubtful that kerr would've got us out of this group remember we got great wins in Macedonia and Armenia too. Kerr had two campaigns he failed in both, Trap has had two we reached play-offs in both.

FlawedGenius

cgpg5 wrote: »

The same Swiss team that struggled to beat Togo in the tournament itself and scored zero penalties in a shoot out against Ukraine? Also France were poor enough in the qualifiers. Its doubtful that kerr would've got us out of this group remember we got great wins in Macedonia and Armenia too. Kerr had two campaigns he failed in both, Trap has had two we reached play-offs in both.

Kerr had 2 campaigns?? or was it 1 and a half??

cgpg5

FlawedGenius wrote: »

Kerr had 2 campaigns?? or was it 1 and a half??

1 and 3/4s!

Paully D

Jesus Christ.

It really is going to take Trapattoni leaving and us being landed with another clown like Steve Staunton before some people will give the man a bit of credit.

He's taken a group of limited players (with the exception of a few), gave them an identity and system, and has transformed them from a team who weren't qualifying for tournaments, into a team that was robbed in a World Cup play-off and who qualified for a European Championship. The work he has done has been nothing short of fantastic.

The players we have at our disposal mean we can't play attractive free flowing football and get results at the same time. Despite what some people think, we just don't have the players to play like Germany.

Another stick people are beating him with is his refusal to play younger players. Well at least give him a break and let him use the squad he feels has the right team spirit for the European Championships. He'll integrate the younger lads for the next campaign, but for now he knows who he wants and that's fair enough.

I don't agree with everything he has done, but comparing his win percentage to the likes of Del Bosque, Low and Van Marwjick is like comparing Ferrari's to Nissan Micra's. The likes of Sweden, Denmark and Croatia aren't a ''similar level'' either. They have a history of qualifying for major tournaments recently and doing well at them too, Greece won the European Championships in 2004 beating the likes of France, Portugal, and the Czech Republic FFS.

There's too many people listening to the likes of Dunphy and getting their opinions from there. Turn off Football Manager, in reality the game doesn't work like that.

There's no-one we could realistically get who would be fit to lace Trap's boots, but many will find that out in the future.

The level of footballing knowledge on here is, for the most part, an absolute joke.

SantryRed

Paully D wrote: »

Jesus Christ.

It really is going to take Trapattoni leaving and us being landed with another clown like Steve Staunton before some people will give the man a bit of credit.

He's taken a group of limited players (with the exception of a few), gave them an identity and system, and has transformed them from a team who weren't qualifying for tournaments, into a team that was robbed in a World Cup play-off and who qualified for a European Championship. The work he has done has been nothing short of fantastic.

The players we have at our disposal mean we can't play attractive free flowing football and get results at the same time. Despite what some people think, we just don't have the players to play like Germany.

Another stick people are beating him with is his refusal to play younger players. Well at least give him a break and let him use the squad he feels has the right team spirit for the European Championships. He'll integrate the younger lads for the next campaign, but for now he knows who he wants and that's fair enough.

I don't agree with everything he has done, but comparing his win percentage to the likes of Del Bosque, Low and Van Marwjick is like comparing Ferrari's to Nissan Micra's. The likes of Sweden, Denmark and Croatia aren't a ''similar level'' either. They have a history of qualifying for major tournaments recently and doing well at them too, Greece won the European Championships in 2004 beating the likes of France, Portugal, and the Czech Republic FFS.

There's too many people listening to the likes of Dunphy and getting their opinions from there. Turn off Football Manager, in reality the game doesn't work like that.

There's no-one we could realistically get who would be fit to lace Trap's boots, but many will find that out in the future.

The level of footballing knowledge on here is, for the most part, an absolute joke.

I have to disagree there though Paully. I think people are looking too much into Staunton's reign when praising Trappatoni. It's like having a Micra, and getting an Avensis, and thinking it's a Ferrari.

Paully D

SantryRed wrote: »

I have to disagree there though Paully. I think people are looking too much into Staunton's reign when praising Trappatoni. It's like having a Micra, and getting an Avensis, and thinking it's a Ferrari.

Even take Staunton out of the equation, and Brian Kerr was nothing special either. All the supposedly negative tactics of Trap (and more) without any sort of final result. He was all fart and no shit, he couldn't get the job done when it really mattered and started to blame everyone around him. I was waiting for him to come out and blame the colour of the jerseys for his failure at one point. He's not fit to lace Trap's boots IMO.

Trapattoni is a fantastic manager who has done a fantastic job with a limited bunch of players.

Fr Tod Umptious

The anti Trapp threads come thick and fast as we approach Euro 2012.
Already today we had his disrespect of McCarthy, now we have this.
What next, comparisons on how well he speaks English compared to Sven.

On and on the Kerr comparisons, no way Trapp's team would give away a two goal lead v Israel, at home

Rekop dog

Also when Kerr was in charge Duffer was genuinely a world class player. He still puts in a decent shift but is obviously not nearly as good as he was. Think we'd better quality during Kerr's reign but better depth now but no stand out class.

cgpg5

Rekop dog wrote: »

Also when Kerr was in charge Duffer was genuinely a world class player. He still puts in a decent shift but is obviously not nearly as good as he was. Think we'd better quality during Kerr's reign but better depth now but no stand out class.

You reckon that Trap is the reason that Duff isn't as good as he was, or have I misinterpreted what you're saying? Duff is now 33 he's hardly going to be as good as he was when he was mid 20's. Look at players like Lampard and Drogba players generally decline in quality as they age due to slowing down, struggling more with injuries, not being able to train as hard/well etc.

Duff played for Premier League champions Chelsea during Kerr's reign, he is now in and out of the Fulham team. This has nothing to do with a new manager at international level it shows how he has declined at club level as well.

EdenHazard

Depise those comments like the one from Pauly D there about 'This isn't football manager' What does that even mean? The current Irish team seems to be set out to actively NOT pass the ball until they go behind when suddenly they CAN play. That throws out the 'we dont have the players' crap, don't have the players to what? Be able to have more possession at HOME again a team we're superior to(Czech Republic we are better in most positions) This is because of the manager, Trap's done well no doubt but he's not perfect.
People like PaulyD, fall into the thinking that because players dont play for best teams means that we can't possibly have players. So are you saying Ireland doesn't have better players than Whelan or Andrews to play midfield because ask any Blackburn fan their opinion of Keith Andrews... 'the level of football knowledge is a joke' on here...indeed

Paul Tergat

Stats in isolation mean **** all

Rekop dog

cgpg5 wrote: »

You reckon that Trap is the reason that Duff isn't as good as he was, or have I misinterpreted what you're saying? Duff is now 33 he's hardly going to be as good as he was when he was mid 20's. Look at players like Lampard and Drogba players generally decline in quality as they age due to slowing down, struggling more with injuries, not being able to train as hard/well etc.

Duff played for Premier League champions Chelsea during Kerr's reign, he is now in and out of the Fulham team. This has nothing to do with a new manager at international level it shows how he has declined at club level as well.

Yeah misunderstood sorry heh, meant exactly what you said in that post.

Paully D

EdenHazard wrote: »

Depise those comments like the one from Pauly D there about 'This isn't football manager' What does that even mean? The current Irish team seems to be set out to actively NOT pass the ball until they go behind when suddenly they CAN play. That throws out the 'we dont have the players' crap, don't have the players to what? Be able to have more possession than a team we're superior to(Czech Republic we are better in most positions) This is because of the manager, Trap's done well no doubt but he's not perfect.
People like PaulyD, fall into the thinking that because players dont play for best teams means that we can't possibly have players. So are you saying Ireland doesn't have better players than Whelan or Andrews to play midfield because ask any Blackburn fan their opinion of Keith Andrews... 'the level of football knowledge is a joke' on here...indeed

That's exactly the opposite point I'm making, although I wouldn't expect you to be able to interpret a simple post.

The likes of Andrews and Whelan are not as good as some other players we have, but the others wouldn't be as good in the system that Trap wants to play!

What's the big deal about possession? Sunderland have rarely had more possession than their opposition since O'Neill took over and have done very well, same with Stoke under Pulis. Greece won a European Championships playing very similar to the way we do.

The current team is set up the way Trap wants it to be set up and this is why we're currently unbeaten in 12 games and are going to be playing against Spain, Italy and Croatia in a European Championships this summer, whilst some countries with better individual players are not.

I've never said he's perfect, in fact I was going mad when Reid was left out of the squad time and time again, but funnily enough Trap was right once again as Reid now struggles at the bottom of the Championship. We've lost what a couple of competitive games since he has taken over? That's amazing to be fair.

eagle eye

I get sick of all these attempts to make Trap look bad when he has done an incredible job with a decidedly average group of players. He is and always has been a great manager imo.

I do think Brian Kerr was treated disgracefully by the FAI and we will never know just how good he could have been with the Irish team. I do think he would have done very well though. I rate him very highly.

clubberlang12

Greece were an extremely well organised unit when winning the Euro's but played far better football than we have, so i think that comparison is clutching straws really. And this craic about Trap being Mystic Meg and for-seeing Andy Reid's demise is a crock of sh%t. Couple of seasons back Fernando Torres was one of the best strikers in the world, now he can't hit a barn door from 5 yards. The difference between a couple of seasons can be enormous when comparing player form. At the time, Andy Reid was in relatively good form. He simply didn't fit into Trap's plans and the guitar incident was the icing on the cake for Trap.

I don't like his style of play and have many issues with Trap but he has got us qualified. That stat doesn't lie. But it doesn't mean he is the next messiah and can not be questioned. Every manager gets questioned constantly by supporters. I think his media skills are poor, i question some of his selections but most of all, i'm worried we are fast becoming the most predictable team in Europe. Our system is extremely rigid and the fact Trap looks to be bringing sub-standard players to the Euro's because they "fit" his system as oppose to better quality players and being able to adjust his system is quite worrying. We gift the opposition enough time and space in the midfield that they could have a tea party there. The fact lesser teams dominate us in midfield does not bode well considering what awaits us against Spain, Italy and Croatia.

gnfnrhead

Bloody hell, some of you's would have us believe we are San Marino with the way qualifying for the Euro's is being hyped up. Bar Stan's time in charge, we have been there or thereabouts for quite some time. It's NOT a miracle that we qualified and if any of our previous managers had as much luck as Trap has had, we'd have qualified a lot more. Trap hasnt done much more than what was expected. We're always expected to be in the mix for second place, exactly like we have been nearly every tournament in recent times.

Getting sick of reading crap like "Trap is a God! You dont know anything! How dare you question him?!" He hasnt done much more than previous managers, Stan aside.

Father Damo

sugarman wrote: »

Kerr was shafted by the FAI after the 2006 campaign.

It was'nt losing that cost him his job, it was drawing games.

If I hear this shafting bollox one more time. The only way he was shafted was in that he was replaced by a poorer manager- he simply was not getting the results required and needed to go.

It was'nt losing that cost him his job, it was drawing games.

More so it was conceding late goals. We conceded a 2-0 away lead in Israel once FFS. In Kerrs days Ireland scoring was followed by the inevitable feeling that the counter attack and concession was 10 minutes away.

EdenHazard

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Bloody hell, some of you's would have us believe we are San Marino with the way qualifying for the Euro's is being hyped up. Bar Stan's time in charge, we have been there or thereabouts for quite some time. It's NOT a miracle that we qualified and if any of our previous managers had as much luck as Trap has had, we'd have qualified a lot more. Trap hasnt done much more than what was expected. We're always expected to be in the mix for second place, exactly like we have been nearly every tournament in recent times.

Getting sick of reading crap like "Trap is a God! You dont know anything! How dare you question him?!" He hasnt done much more than previous managers, Stan aside.

THIS EXACTLY. Getting to the playoffs for Ireland is not that big of a deal, its a poor qualification campaign when we finish below second, even in our worse days under Stan we finished third, Kerr finished 4th but that could have as easily been first. We lost once in that WC 2006 qualification campaign. FAIR PLAY to Trap for getting the team to Euros, but it wasn't an impossible task and if we hadn't finished second in that group it would have been very poor. We got Estonia, who we are on a different level to. Sure they beat teams who could be seen as better than us to get there(Serbia 3-1 in Serbia) but we were overwhelming favorites.

Leiva

Rhys wrote:

For those who say that he got us to Euro2012, I think my grandmother would have got us qualified.

See what i said about stats ... they can make stupid people fell great .

You should be embarrassed .

SantryRed

Father Damo wrote: »

More so it was conceding late goals. We conceded a 2-0 away lead in Israel once FFS. In Kerrs days Ireland scoring was followed by the inevitable feeling that the counter attack and concession was 10 minutes away.

And what is Traps?

Samich

gosplan wrote: »

OP's right in a way though. All Italian's I know love Trap but felt at the time that he was too negative for their national team.

BTW OP, why didn't you just post the loss rates instead? - I imagine it tell a different story.

Because you play to win, not play to not lose.

Rhys Essien

mixednuts wrote: »

See what i said about stats ... they can make stupid people fell great .

You should be embarrassed .

Please explain what you are on about.

Rhys Essien

eagle eye wrote: »

I get sick of all these attempts to make Trap look bad when he has done an incredible job with a decidedly average group of players. He is and always has been a great manager imo.

I do think Brian Kerr was treated disgracefully by the FAI and we will never know just how good he could have been with the Irish team. I do think he would have done very well though. I rate him very highly.

Paul Green,Darren O'Dea,Glenn Whelan who played the other night are average players.

James McCarthy,Marc Wilson and David Meyler are better players that cannot get a look in.

Why is it so hard to fit these Premiership players into Traps system?

EdenHazard

Yeah it's so weird, especially since McCarthy and Meyler would be better than Green for what Trap wants midfielders to do. Andrews and Green aren't defensive mids, Andrews is a midfielder who breaks from midfield into opposition defence.

Paully D

EdenHazard wrote: »

Yeah it's so weird, especially since McCarthy and Meyler would be better than Green for what Trap wants midfielders to do. Andrews and Green aren't defensive mids, Andrews is like what Frank Lampard was like at West Ham, no midfield control just make darting runs from midfield and score

David Meyler has started 1 game in the last 14 months. I agree that I would like to see Meyler and McCarthy being the CM partnership in the future, but it's ridiculous to consider him being part of this Irish squad now.

EdenHazard

This is a cool stat, since 2005, Ireland has lost just 6 qualification matches(including playoff vs france) 2 of those defeats were against same team(France in 2005 and 2009) Half of the defeats came in Stauntons campaign. Records like 6 defeats in 46. Guess the other teams?

briany

Trap has gone 12 games unbeaten though the team has not played anyone of any stand out quality and in competitive circumstances. There was a game against Russia in Moscow and I think we're all still wondering how Ireland came out of that game with a point. Maybe a mixture of Russian ineptitude, Irish stubbornness and Richard Dunne's back heel? It's nice to have that record though and it's nice to know that the results count towards the world ranking but I find it odd that it's seemingly so important to Trap that he wants to maintain it when it won't be of any direct use to Ireland until the next group draw which is a while away and two years is a lot of time to run up a few bad results and slip back down the ladder.

I do agree, though, that Trap does things right the Kerr and Stan did wrong. I highly doubt that Trap would have slipped up against Israel the way Kerr did but then maybe he wouldn't have been 2-0 up either in the home game?

Mr.Nice Guy

Reading this thread reminds me of the quote:

'Success is a matter of luck. Ask any failure.'

The man has us exactly where we need to be - punching above our weight. Laughable that people think it's an easy achievement to take this small country to the top table of European football alongside 15 other nations, the majority of whom possess resources we could only dream of.

By the way that 'easy' group contained two teams that were at the 2010 World Cup and I don't recall too many saying it was going to be easy when the draw was made.

I agree totally though that the stats don't lie:

Trapattoni managerial honours:

Juventus
Italian League (6): 1976–77, 1977–78, 1980–81, 1981–82, 1983–84, 1985–86
Italian Cup (2): 1978–79, 1982–83
European Cup (1): 1984–85
UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1984
UEFA Cup (2): 1977, 1993
European Super Cup (1): 1984
Intercontinental Cup (1): 1985

Internazionale
Italian League (1): 1988–89
UEFA Cup (1): 1991

Bayern Munich
German League (1): 1996–97
German Cup (1): 1997–98
German League Cup (1): 1996–97

Benfica
Portuguese League (1): 2004–05

Red Bull Salzburg
Austrian League (1): 2006–07

Also as regards comparing managers I think the vast majority of them, if not all of them, would say he's done an outstanding job with us.

Outside this island and the TV ads with Pat Dolan telling us we've got world class players, most countries realise we actually don't and that we're little fish with big hearts about to enter a shark tank this summer. If we are to survive it then we'll need an effective strategy and Trap is the man for the job.

EdenHazard

So an 'effective strategy' is giving away the ball away easily to Xavi, Modric and the likes, is that what your saying?

Also Ireland does punch above it's weight....kinda(Croatia has same population and look at them) but that would happen with our without Trapattoni. We tend to have a good player pool that really could be a lot worse considering the population we have. With Duff, keane, given, dunne entering their last years though, we could enter into a lull period with seemingly lack of replacements of their level of ability.

Mr.Nice Guy

EdenHazard wrote: »

So an 'effective strategy' is giving away the ball away easily to Xavi, Modric and the likes, is that what your saying?

You don't give the ball to Xavi. He keeps it along with his mates and it'll be the case with any nation Spain play, as England found out not long ago. What, you'd rather stick Hoolahan and McCarthy in there and have them try to play possession football, would you?

We are a country that doesn't play possession football and oddly enough that might suit us going into this tournament. At least the players will be familiar enough with what they have to do.

EdenHazard

Yeah, why not? The longer we keep the ball, the less time Spain have to score. Andrews and Whelan are shockingly bad footballers, who aren't defensive midfielders, Andrews especially is in no way a holding midfielder. Might as well try keep the ball longer, it has absolutely no disadvantage, in fact keeping the ball is one of footballs basic principles. We have players who are good footballers, who can do that. If Trap was amazing, we woulda finished top of that group, he really isn't that good.

Father Damo

SantryRed wrote: »

And what is Traps?

How many times have we conceded a lead and then dropped points?

Italy in Dublin is my last recollection. Approaching 3 years ago.

jonnyfingers

While Trap's win % may not be as high as others his loss % is only 19%

So 81% we pick up points. That is why we've qualified for a major tournament.

If we can just turn a few more of those draws into wins during the summer we'll be on cloud 9.

BOHtox

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Percentages of all games won.

Current International Managers

Vincent del Bosque - Spain - 84.3%
Erik Hamren - Sweden 69.5%
Joachim Low - Germany 68.4%
Bert van Marwijk - Holland 68.18%
Slaven Bilic - Croatia 67.8%
Egil Olsen - Norway 60.7%
Laurent Blanc - France 57.9%
Fernando Santos - Greece 55.5%
Morten Olsen - Denmark 52.8%
Trappatoni - Ireland 43.2%

Other

Hiddink - Russia 61.5%
Erikson - England 59.7%
Van Gaal - Holland 57.14%
Trappatoni Italy 56.8%

Ireland Managers

Brian Kerr 53%
Jack Charlton 50%
Giovanni Trappatoni 43.2%
Mick McCarthy 42.6%

Looking at this with teams like Sweden,Croatia,Denmark,Norway and Greece(similar level) who are well ahead.

I think Brian Kerr was shafted considering he didnt have a lot of the players that Trap has at his disposal.

Also looking at this,Traps International managment ability should be looked at considering he bombed at Italy in 2002 only for Lippi to win the World cup in 2006.

For those who say that he got us to Euro2012, I think my grandmother would have got us qualified.

Stats above dont lie and show that our style well and truly stinks.

Or you can look at it this way.

We qualified for a tournament for the first time in 10 years, we only lost two competitive matches and we were cheated out out a world cup spot.

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Rhys Essien wrote: »

We are going into a tournement where winning only matters.Kerr won more games with a lesser squad and had tougher qualifing campaigns.We were lucky to get Estonia in the play offs.Had we got anyone else we were fcuked.
How many draws did we had in qualifing?
All I am saying is going forward,having draws is not good enough.

With the stats as it stands,Trap is on the same level as Mick McCarthy at international level.

Some might argue that not losing only matters going into a major tournament. If you don't lose once you're out of the group stage, you have a very good chance winning (as long as you win your penalty shootouts)