Dealing with a "GET YOUR DOG AWAY FROM MY CHILD!" *Read post #117*

Hollypop

I was bitten by a German Shepard when I was a child. It was on the street outside a yard where it had escaped. It was a guard dog. Didn't put me off dogs though.
Had a German shepards for years after.

I now have a cavalier king Charles. Same intelligence as a 2 year old child.
I can understand people being afraid of dogs and would never in my life trust a dog 100% as my dog has been attacked several times by "friendly" dogs.

If I was you, I'd put on a pair of shades so you don't even have to make eye contact with her. Ignore her and keep walking with your dog on a very short lead.
There is no excuse for her rudeness.

Bluefoam

Armelodie wrote: »

Agree with Eddie

If the 'crazy shouty lady' as she is now known, doesn't want a dog in her face then that's her right surely, if she doesn;t want it in her kids face then that's her prerogative and it's everyone else's duty to respect that.

I missed the bit where the OP said his dog was jumping up in her face and licking her childrens faces... Please quote previous posts when referring to them.

I couldn't give a **** what she wants & It's certainly not my duty to run around after her & from what I've read here, I have no duty to respect her.

You have manipulated the thread to suggest that the OP's dog was 'all up in her face', which hasn't been mentioned here before. You are off on a hysterical rant making things up and it makes you come across as erratic...

Xcellor

Hmmm...

Woman may have had a bad experience with dog. Perhaps as a child she was badly bitten. Perhaps a friend of hers children got a bite from a dog.. Many reasons why she maybe like this.

I have a hard time with dog owners that thrust their dog on others. Just because Fido is a lovely dog in their owners opinion.

I have two chihuahuas. Tiny, harmless and would not touch anyone. However if I see anyone coming and I have them off lead I would put them back on the lead... On the other hand I see owners with large dogs like retrievers expect complete strangers to trust their dogs...

JustAThought

Agreed;If the dog was not on a lead; but the OP 's dog was on a lead to my recollection.

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James.

why do people keep talking about leads ?

dogs dont have to be on a lead. they just have to be under control.

there is something wrong with people who dont like dogs

ppink

eddie wrote: »

Have to agree with the above... I was savaged as kid by dogs twice.... nice friendly, family, "would not hurt you" dogs..... I have zero tolerance for dogs apart from guide and guard dogs I think that are pretty much pointless.. if someone want to believe that a dumb animal has some sort of intelligence etc etc its up to them they can do whatever they like in the privacy of their own space....

BUT when they try to inflict this dumb animal on me in public I dont accept it..... they should be on a lead ALL the time and a short lead at that not these extending bloody things.... and nappied to stop them urinating and crapping at will, is disgusting.

I have a right to be able to walk in a park/ pier / street without having to avoid an animal with teeth..... I dont think they are cute / intelligent friendly etc etc and I would not trust one of them as far as I could throw them...

And to the responder that suggested that the lady with "the dog problem" should cross to the otherside of that street.... that is EXACTLY the part of the attitude of dog owners that makes me suggest that dogs should have NO PUBLIC access at all.

And please dont even get me started on the mass of morons that allow their dogs to defacate at will and never clean it up......

YMMV

Eddie

Really??:D

I think you should write a letter to all the police forces, border control, army, security forces, search and rescue, guide dog, assistance dog, cancer detecting dog teams (have I missed many I wonder)............and advise them all of their ignorance on this matter.

lol

Xcellor

James. wrote: »

why do people keep talking about leads ?

dogs dont have to be on a lead. they just have to be under control.

there is something wrong with people who dont like dogs

No there isn't. People have their own right to decide what they like and what
they don't like.

What is under control anyway?? I know people who consider their dogs to be undercontrol even when they invade peoples space slobbering + leaving hair on others. "Ah sure he's just being friendly!!"...

Bluefoam

eddie wrote: »

I think the problem is that you think all dog owners are like you and they are not.... In many places I walk I encounter dogs running off lead or on those extension leads... getting a big grin from some owner when their stupid dog scares the crap out of me does not help...

The thread isn't about dog owners in general. The discussion is about a particular set of circumstances, but keeps getting derailed by people don't seem to want to share their environments with animals...

eddie

Bluefoam wrote: »

The thread isn't about dog owners in general. The discussion is about a particular set of circumstances, but keeps getting derailed by people don't seem to want to share their environments with animals...

But that particulr set of circumstances is the keypoint.... for many years I would walk to the other side of the strret when I would see an approaching dog... off lead or on a lead of someone not taking due care or obviously didd not look in control.... but I had to evaluate the situation....


You may thaink that you look in control of your dog .. but to someone that has had a bad encounter with a dog.. that may not look like you are in control....

But getting here to the point that you are missing ...... if your dog does not look in control... if you had the dog on a tight lead ( tightly at heel) on the opposite side of your body at the furthest side of the path from the lady then she has an over reaction.... BUT... it is her perogitive... she has more of a right to walk that path than your dog..

Any other circumstances then you are simply intimidating her daily with your dog.

Wibbs

James. wrote: »

why do people keep talking about leads ?

dogs dont have to be on a lead. they just have to be under control.

AFAIK that's a grey area. Most parks etc will have local regulations that require dogs to be on leads, though it seems it's rarely enforced. All dogs on the restricted list have to be on lead in public. TBH though I've always had a dog and have a lot of time for them I'd be enforcing the lead thing for all breeds, except in specific areas. I say all breeds because a dopey looking labrador is just as capable of causing injury as a german shepherd. I'd also enforce the not picking up crap after them a lot more rigorously.

eddie wrote: »

I think the problem is that you think all dog owners are like you and they are not.... In many places I walk I encounter dogs running off lead or on those extension leads... getting a big grin from some owner when their stupid dog scares the crap out of me does not help...

Actually we would have some agreement here. My dog is always on lead in any place I'm likely to meet people. The amount of gobshítes with their dogs of all sizes running wild can be bloody irritating alright and some of these dogs can be pushy ranging to aggressive. Especially towards other dogs on leads(some can see them as an easy target). And yes the dopey "ah sure what's the harm" guff is common enough. One muppet I encounter regularly enough has a medium sized dog that goes straight for any dog on lead with aggressive barking and growling and attempted nipping. She's gone for my dog once or twice, but he's very submissive in character generally and I ignore it and walk on. In the last encounter he had clearly had enough and smacked this dog with his paw. A warning, nothing more. The owner of the other dog started giving me crap for having an aggressive dog. Moron. Needless to say I "explained" to him that if his mutt ever came near me again my dogs aggression should be the last thing he should be concerned about and that went for him too. Sadly you sometimes have to be direct with some people.

If people want to get a dog as a child substitute or a friend because they prefer them to people well maybe it is they that need to see someone...

You better tell that to the many millions of dog owners over at least the last 40,000 years. It would seem the entire human race "needs to see someone". :rolleyes:

eddie

deandean wrote: »

So every day I walk my kids to school, I bring the dog too.

I meet a woman coming the other way. She has two kids, one aged about 5 (going to school) who doesn't seem too bothered, and one kid aged about 3.

About three times her mum has really lashed into me, 'Keep your dog away from my children' - serious stuff. I end up walking out onto the road with my dog and kids.

Now my dog is well socialised, he would offer the paw to a stranger.

The problem I see here is the mother - she freaks out rightaway, and as a consequence her kids get frightened. I have thought of saying to her - come here, let your kid say hello to my dog & pat him etc, but the meetings are too nasty for this.

So at the moment I see her coming and I go onto the road with my dog & kids and let her & her kids walk along the footpath while she gives me a dirty look - it is just a bit unfair to my side!

The woman, it seems to me, has an irrational problem with dogs and whatever about her I am sad to see she is passing this onto her kids.

Anyone been in this situation before? Ideally I'd like to share the footpath.

Thanks,
Dean

And so you should share the footpath... try leaving the dog at home.. !

Wibbs

I figure why should society at large bend to irrational people? On both sides. Personally I take equal umbrage at irresponsible dog owners and if they directly impact me I'll let them know about it in no uncertain terms. Ditto with irrational types like described in the OP.

How Strange

I came across this thread and thought I'd reply because I'm very nervous around dogs I don't know. It's not all dogs and sometimes I meet a dog owner with a lovely dog, on or off lead, and I'll pat them if they come over to me and chat to the owner but other times it freaks me out especially if I'm out running or have my little son with me.

What freaks me out most are the dangerous species and the staffordshire terrier which scare the living daylights out of me but often I've seen these dogs off lead coming towards me and their owners are too far away to control them.

Last summer in our development an owner of a 'dangerous' dog got out of her control, unmuzzled and started running towards me and my 4 month old in his buggy. She didn't seem particularly worried but I nearly had a heart attack.

A few weeks back a family were walking their staffordshire terrier and again were far away from it and it saw me jogging and started to run towards me. I started screaming at the owner who then got the dog back. As I passed I said I'm sure it's a lovely dog but I'm terrified of them hence my dramatic reaction.

A few years ago I was turned on by a pack of marauding dogs while abroad (I'm not joking, it was terrifying). Luckily I was a little drunk so I had Dutch courage and I started jumping up and down and shouting and they went off but since then a big, unleashed dog running towards me without its owner terrifies me. What terrifies me the most is a dog out roaming without an owner in sight.

So from a nervous persons point of view. I don't know your dog. I don't know that the worst thing it will do is lick my hand as it comes bounding over to me so just keep it close to you.

Bluefoam

eddie wrote: »

for many years I would walk to the other side of the strret when I would see an approaching dog... off lead or on a lead of someone not taking due care or obviously didd not look in control....

That is your prerogative

eddie wrote: »

she has more of a right to walk that path than your dog...

I find this an awful attitude to hold. Animals have occupied this country for longer than people. They have as much right be be here as us. However, I chose to share my living space with animals and therefore have a duty of care for those animals and to others who share my environment.

eddie wrote: »

Any other circumstances then you are simply intimidating her daily with your dog.

I think she is the one that is exhibiting intimidating behavior

Xcellor

Responsible dog owners keep their dogs on leads...

Under control is open to interpretation. I have seen many instances of under control dogs barking, snarling, rushing at people, jumping up at people, licking people, urinating on other peoples property.

I am mortified if my chihuahua lifts its leg on someones car tire. Other dog owners couldn't give a damn.

I wish there were parks where there was a disclaimer. All dogs are allowed to be off their leads. Enter at your own risk. But there isn't.

James.

Wibbs wrote: »

AFAIK that's a grey area. Most parks etc will have local regulations that require dogs to be on leads, though it seems it's rarely enforced. All dogs on the restricted list have to be on lead in public. :

Its not a grey area at all.

Apart from the limited restrictions that you have pointed out, dogs do not need to be on a lead.

And it doesnt matter whether people agree with that or not.
That is the way things stand at the moment

Discodog

Wibbs wrote: »

I figure why should society at large bend to irrational people? On both sides. Personally I take equal umbrage at irresponsible dog owners and if they directly impact me I'll let them know about it in no uncertain terms. Ditto with irrational types like described in the OP.

I agree. I am amazed at how almost any topic here can turn so extreme. If you own a dog then you should keep it under "effective control" & around traffic or other people that usually means on lead. No matter how well the dog is trained no one can guarantee that it won't react to a distraction.

If you have a fear of dogs then it makes sense to try & cure it because you cannot really avoid meeting dogs. Your life will be far more enjoyable if you take a little time to understand dogs & conquer your fear.

Dog owners have to pay a license fee & Councils should have to provide areas where dogs can be walked off lead. Given the huge number of dog owners it is pathetic that they can't get together to ensure that decent facilities are provided in their area.

But at the end of the day it is up to all dog owners to act responsibly to avoid the rest of us being tarred by the same brush. In the OP's case it would appear, from one side of the story, that the parent is in the wrong but there are plenty of other cases where it is the other way round.

DamagedTrax

eddie,

here's how it is.

if the dog is under control, you have no argument. if the dog is an RB and is on lead, you have no argument.

thats how it is. if you dont like it then A. cross the street yourself or B. stay indoors.

its just that simple and all your ranting and raving isnt going to change that. if you want a real argument i suggest you go find a forum that doesnt encourage responsible dog ownership, thankfully this isnt that place.

and suck it up man because you're coming across like a sociopath.

eddie

Deank wrote: »

It makes as much sense as the last paragraph on your last post Eddie, you need to look up the meaning of domesticated, you should not put domesticated wild animal in the same sentence, it is grammatically incorrect- domesticated = tame, adapted or converted to domestic use.

Please refrain from projecting your fear of dogs on others, while it is unfortunate you have had bad experiences with dogs you are hardly qualified to comment on the behaviour of all breeds of dogs when you have spent little or no time around them;).

The only thing I can agree with you on is that there are idiot dog owners out there who let there dogs roam free and take no responsibly for them when out in public.

Well thank you for agreeing that not all dog owners are responsible... if they were.. there would be no problem...

Since my incidents as a child I have had two dogs , no issues, I have also been in contineous close contact with two other dogs..... However I would trust none of them 100% and was always a little wary at times... I only feel totally trusting when I have a large rock in my hand

While I concede that I have ramped up the argument a little, to stimulate a discussion I am amazed at the total lack of empathy that many dog owners have for people that are genuinely terrified when a dog comes bounding at them... the owners simply do not get how frightening it is... personally I dont like a dog within biting distance full stop..... I could not care how lovable or socially adapted he is.... to me its still a dog with teeth.

A dog off a lead to me is just a menace.

YMMV............

Eddie

Deank

eddie wrote: »

Well thank you for agreeing that not all dog owners are responsible... if they were.. there would be no problem...

Since my incidents as a child I have had two dogs , no issues, I have also been in contineous close contact with two other dogs..... However I would trust none of them 100% and was always a little wary at times... I only feel totally trusting when I have a large rock in my hand

Not a good idea to be nervy around a dog with a big rock in your hand, they are very intuitive creatures and can sense danger, they would be within their right to protect themselves against the human with a large rock in their hand which they taught / perceived was going to brain them.

eddie wrote: »

While I concede that I have ramped up the argument a little, to stimulate a discussion I am amazed at the total lack of empathy that many dog owners have for people that are genuinely terrified when a dog comes bounding at them... the owners simply do not get how frightening it is... personally I dont like a dog within biting distance full stop..... I could not care how lovable or socially adapted he is.... to me its still a dog with teeth.

I think you will find most dog owners are empathetic to other people while their dogs are out in public.

eddie wrote: »

A dog off a lead to me is just a menace.

Agreed

eddie wrote: »

YMMV............

Eddie

fatmammycat

How Strange wrote: »

andreac if you've got a problem with my post then report it

I said the staffordshire terrier frightens me. I don't say it was dangerous.

Actually what you said was 'What freaks me out most are the dangerous species and the staffordshire terrier which scare the living daylights out of me but often I've seen these dogs off lead coming towards me and their owners are too far away to control them."

Andrea told you there were no 'dangerous species' of dogs. She is correct.

Mo60

eddie wrote: »

she has more of a right to walk that path than your dog..

Really!

Has this been passed as Law?

the_syco

How Strange wrote: »

So from a nervous persons point of view. I don't know your dog. I don't know that the worst thing it will do is lick my hand as it comes bounding over to me so just keep it close to you.

Until my family got a dog (small westie), I used to be just as terrified (seems groups of friendly dogs get attracted to terrified kids). Heck, I was even terrified of a sausage dog a few houses down from my house

Zapperzy

eddie wrote: »

But your point is that you have a right to drag a domesticated wild animal, capable of inflicting pain and indeed killing humans, around on a lead and it is my problem if I feel a little worried when he is lunging at me... yeah that makes sense..

Also we should lock up cattle and horses also just in case they kill another human or inflict pain. Perhaps you should do a bit of research into how many farmers are killed and seriously injured each year by their livestock, namely cattle. Not aware of any figures kept for horse related deaths but I'm presuming there are quite a number each year, I know personally 2 people who were put in wheelchairs by horses. Never has anyone been killed in Ireland by a dog.

I agree you or anyone else shouldn't have to put up with strange dogs lunging at you or approaching you but the OP has stated his dog neither lunged nor approached the woman or her children. To say all dogs should never be allowed in public as they are a 'domesticated wild animal' is as mad an idea as banning guns, knives, cars, baseball bats and wrapping society in cotton wool 'just in case'.

ETA: Just wanted to ask Eddie, when u had 2 dogs what did you keep them for? And how did you cope with walking them and not allowing them to urinate or defecate outside?

star-pants

I've been sick the last 3-4 weeks (still am, but just explaining my semi-absence / lack of response) and there are piles of reported posts from this thread so I'm locking it for now. I'll read through it properly later (unless one of my co-mods gets the chance) and I may re-open it if I deem it of any benefit to.


Eddie - I'd suggest you familiarise yourself with our forum charter, advocating violence is NOT acceptable either.

Cherry Blossom

Thread clean-up - a grand total of 80 off-topic posts have been removed from this thread. I won't be doing it again, infractions/bans from this point on where deserved.

*No off-topic posting, opinions on dogs in general, dog fouling etc. etc. none of it is relevant to this thread.

*No personal insults/abuse

*No personal agenda

*No speculation as to whether or not the OP has been truthful - you can assume the dog was on a lead and under control as they have posted.

*Do not post on this thread unless you have read the forum charter.


There is now a troll-cull in operation :cool:

Syllabus

eddie wrote: »

And so you should share the footpath... try leaving the dog at home.. !

why should he leave his dog at home? he has as much right to own and walk his dog as the irrational fear lady has of not owning a dog

eddie

star-pants wrote: »

I've been sick the last 3-4 weeks (still am, but just explaining my semi-absence / lack of response) and there are piles of reported posts from this thread so I'm locking it for now. I'll read through it properly later (unless one of my co-mods gets the chance) and I may re-open it if I deem it of any benefit to.


Eddie - I'd suggest you familiarise yourself with our forum charter, advocating violence is NOT acceptable either.

As I mentioned in my PM. I did not and would not advocate violence in any shape manner or form. I thought that my smilie after the big Rock comment would clearly indicate that the comment was in jest.

star-pants

eddie wrote: »

As I mentioned in my PM. I did not and would not advocate violence in any shape manner or form. I thought that my smilie after the big Rock comment would clearly indicate that the comment was in jest.

We dealt with this in PM - there is no need to bring the discussion back off topic again. Do not reply to this on thread.

Xcellor

I bet the owners of these dogs would class them as "under control"

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