Che Guevara Statue In Galway

booboo88

Sure tis only a bita craic

Jesus Wept

Seaneh wrote: »

The man is a mercenary who was directly involved in or ordered the murder and torture of thousands of people in several countries.

But he has a nice beard.

Ficheall

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Who?

Alan Partridge.

Logical Fallacy

RiseToTheTop wrote: »

Che stood against US Imperialism.

If he was alive today you bet he would be against the US invading Afghanistan, Iraq and peddling it's big nose in many, many others countries affairs.

lol, if Che was alive today he would be smoking Cigars with George Bush and most likely congratulating them on Guantanamo.

Chuck Stone

Might grow me one of them terrorist beards.

Hande hoche!

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Might grow me one of them terrorist beards.

Going for the bad boy look?

Ficheall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C5nE4UqqLk

Chuck Stone

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Going for the bad boy look?

Yep, the I-could-have-you-killed look.

Chicks love that shit.

Tomk1

Viva la Revolución
The People's Republic of Cork Galway

Hande hoche!

Tomk1 wrote: »

Viva la Revolución
The People's Republic of Cork Galway

What is this Maoist deviancy?

Jimbob 83

Sure it will be great craic, feck the yanks

newballsplease

Whos the sexy Guevara?!

Son Of A Vidic

Absolutely mad for the money that shower in Galway are, don't they get enough tourists already?

biko

I for one am all of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEj7jnR--Dg

My name is URL

My name is URL wrote: »

The Tea Party-goers in the US are up in arms over it

for this reason alone I'm in favor of the statue :pac:

you like a wannabe dictator because it would be in spite of someone else?

El Siglo

Would there be as many objections if a statue of Batista was put up? He was no angel in pre-communist Cuba. The yanks can't talk either, sure they still have a statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest (big in the KKK).

Yanks should mind their own business and anything that annoys Kevin Myarse is just brilliant.

galwayrush

Why not a statue of me instead? I have an ego and i didn't kill anyone..:D

Freddie59

wendell borton wrote: »

Plans to erect a Che statue in Galway has caused outrage in florida.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/01/che-guevara-statue-galway_n_1313568.html


I say that they should mind their own business and **** off, Che is one of the most influential figures of the 20th century and galway should be proud of it's connection to him.

He was a cnut. Hope it doesn't proceed.

Plazaman

A nice statue of Adolf in Eyre Square would round off the whole thing nicely. We must pander to our German financiers not the Cubans.

czx

RichieC wrote: »

We done the same thing after ww2 with the Nuremberg trials.

So that justifies Che. Do you think the people who committed treason got what was coming to them?

Wibbs

If in another universe Che was still alive and running this country you wouldn't have the opportunity to even comment on this. People should read some of the guff he came out with as far as his notion of "freedom" was concerned. Yes he was an interesting individual with a very interesting story, but just because our own Jim Fitzpatrick warholed up an already cool pic does not make the guy anything approaching some sort of saint. Indeed he could be a right vicious twat at times, above and beyond what would be required in war too.

NakedNNettles

I met someone from Florida once.

KeithAFC

Amazing. A statue of a racist.

Sergeant

Why do they have to place a statue of an extremely divisive historical figure in Galway, based upon the most tenuous of links? It's not just 'right wing Cuban exiles' who don't exactly find it tasteful.

Why not a Galway figure? Walter Macken, William O'Halloran (trade unionist and Galway's first Labour councillor - democratic socialism), Edward Martyn.

fishy fishy

nice if there was a che statue. however I have to laugh at the ones trying to get this done. You only have to look at their views to realise if che was alive today he would probably be their worst enemy.


still, anything to get your name in the paper

FARCE

Mr. CooL ICE

As a cousin of the late Ernesto, I demand a statue be built. If this is not possible, a statue of me will have to do.

prinz

After that we could throw up a statue of Michael Dwyer, that lad killed in Venezuela there a while back. Or is it only left wing nutbags who go around the world trying to force regime change we celebrate here?

Pighead

Sergeant wrote: »

Why do they have to place a statue of an extremely divisive historical figure in Galway, based upon the most tenuous of links? It's not just 'right wing Cuban exiles' who don't exactly find it tasteful.

Why not a Galway figure? Walter Macken, William O'Halloran (trade unionist and Galway's first Labour councillor - democratic socialism), Edward Martyn.

Davy from the Saw Doctors, Grainne Seoige, Flutterinbantam. List is endless.

smash

Florida can f*ck off... he's a national treasure! :rolleyes:

GombeanMan

This guy was a despicable murderous bastard. Why idolize him? He killed a massive number of innocent civilians.

lividduck

GombeanMan wrote: »

This guy was a despicable murderous bastard. Why idolize him? He killed a massive number of innocent civilians.

So what? most statues that are erected are to people who had fought for some belief or other. BTW you have your opinion but many would see Gueverra as a liberator and an inspiration.

GombeanMan

lividduck wrote: »

So what? most statues that are erected are to people who had fought for some belief or other. BTW you have your opinion but many would see Gueverra as a liberator and an inspiration.

Fair enough. Nobody is really "correct" when it comes to opinion on some matters. You are more than entitled to disagree with me. I value that freedom.

Sergeant

lividduck wrote: »

. BTW you have your opinion but many would see Gueverra as a liberator and an inspiration.

How exactly did he liberate the Cuban people? It looks to me like he helped replace a vile dictator who repressed his people, with another who repressed his people.
Just because someone has good intentions doesn't mean the result of their actions isn't a complete and utter disaster.

Crooked Jack

KeithAFC wrote: »

Amazing. A statue of a racist.

The Argentinian who fought for the Cuban people, alongside comrades of all races, forged strong links with white Russians, was proud of his Celtic ancestory and gave up a cushy position in the new Cuban government to help people of all creeds and colours in Bolivia and the Congo? A racist? Do you actually know what that word means or are you just throwing whatever muck you can in the hope that some of it sticks.

Seachmall

lividduck wrote: »

So what? most statues that are erected are to people who had fought for some belief or other. BTW you have your opinion but many would see Gueverra as a liberator and an inspiration.

Statues are typically erected of people who have represented where the statue is being erected or, at the very least, represent ideologies that those who erect the statue feel are important.

This statue does neither.

This whole thing makes Galway look like that poser who wears a Guevara t-shirt because it's cool without actually knowing who Guevara was, what he did or what he believed in.

ejmaztec

Bodhidharma wrote: »

You're ability to see alternate realities intrigues me.

However Che would never have 'run' Cuba as he was third, arguably fourth, in command of the revolution. That plus the fact that he wasn't Cuban, was fanatically supportive of Castro and was only ever interested in revolutionary combat and not governing, as his time as a minister showed.

Some big historical inaccuracies in this thread already. He wasn't 'chief interogator and torturer either' but hey, whatever.

I did say "If". My understanding is that, although he admired Castro, he didn't think Castro was left-wing enough.

KeithAFC

Crooked Jack wrote: »

The Argentinian who fought for the Cuban people, alongside comrades of all races, forged strong links with white Russians, was proud of his Celtic ancestory and gave up a cushy position in the new Cuban government to help people of all creeds and colours in Bolivia and the Congo? A racist? Do you actually know what that word means or are you just throwing whatever muck you can in the hope that some of it sticks.

Hey, it isn't my city who has a statue of him up. Just going by what he is quoted as saying.

Crooked Jack

Seachmall wrote: »

Statues are typically erected of people who have represented where the statue is being erected or, at the very least, represent ideologies that those who erect the statue feel are important.

This statue does neither.

This whole thing makes Galway look like that poser who wears a Guevara t-shirt because it's cool without actually knowing who Guevara was, what he did or what he believed in.

Che Guevara has a direct link to two Galway families. it was also an Irish artist who originally drew the iconic image of him that is seen everywhere (not always in the most appropriate places.)
Regardless of your opinion on him, he is one of the most influential and revered people of the 20th century and his Irish links cannot be denied, they surely cannot be dismissed as "posing," as such a statue is appropriate.

mikom

Seachmall wrote: »

Statues are typically erected of people who have represented where the statue is being erected or, at the very least, represent ideologies that those who erect the statue feel are important.

This statue does neither.

Even leaving aside the links to the Galway families and the Irish artist who created the iconic image.
You are aware that Galway has a student population of about 25,000
most of which will own something with this particular Che Guevara image on.
Even on that basic level there will be a connection.

The name Guevara is of Basque origin.
Guess what Galway is flooded with every summer.


"The first thing to note is that in my son's veins flowed the blood of the Irish rebels"
Who said that?

who the fug

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Che Guevara has a direct link to two Galway families. it was also an Irish artist who originally drew the iconic image of him that is seen everywhere (not always in the most appropriate places.)
.

What, that picture was taken by Alberto Korda

mikom

who the fug wrote: »

What, that picture was taken by Alberto Korda

The red and black iconic image was created by an Irish artist using a photograph taken by Korda.

Born to Die

mikom wrote: »

The red and black iconic image was created by an Irish artist using a photograph taken by Korda.

Haven't read the thread.

Jim Fitzpatrick, man responsible for the Thin Lizzy album covers.

prinz

mikom wrote: »

The name Guevara is of Basque origin.
Guess what Galway is flooded with every summer.

How many Eastern Europeans have made their homes in Ireland? You know the ones whose ancestors were being crushed under Soviet tanks back in Budapest while our friend Ché was happy to hob-nob in Moscow..

who the fug

Learn something new every day

dan1895

Born to Die wrote: »

Haven't read the thread.

Jim Fitzpatrick, man responsible for the Thin Lizzy album covers.

Yes. The image became iconic because it wasn't copyrighted at the time and therefore was easy to spread.
As far as I know Jim now has the copyright these days and is in the process of handing it over to the Guevara family with proceeds of sales of the image after that going to a Havana children's charity.

karma_

Fair play to Galway, and why not give him a statue, at least he had the courage and conviction to fight for what he believed to be right.

The reason he is so despised in the US is that he fought so hard against dictators who were backed to the hilt by the US.

Let's not forget that he helped to liberate Cuba from the clutches of a cruel US backed dictator who was supported by large US business and the fcuking mafia. That's just fine in my book, and if you have a problem with me holding Che in regard, then that's your own problem.

Seachmall

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Che Guevara has a direct link to two Galway families. it was also an Irish artist who originally drew the iconic image of him that is seen everywhere (not always in the most appropriate places.)

mikom wrote: »

Even leaving aside the links to the Galway families and the Irish artist who created the iconic image.
You are aware that Galway has a student population of about 25,000
most of which will own something with this particular Che Guevara image on.
Even on that basic level there will be a connection.

The name Guevara is of Basque origin.
Guess what Galway is flooded with every summer.


"The first thing to note is that in my son's veins flowed the blood of the Irish rebels"
Who said that?

Many influential people have, or had, direct links to Irish families and had a much more positive impact on the world without such a controversial past. JFK is obviously the first one that comes to mind. In other words the Irish connections seem more like a rationalisation than genuine reason.

Leaving that ultimately arbitrary link aside, why not honour someone actually from Ireland who fought for or in some otherway represented Ireland? Someone actually fitting to be honoured by the Irish people?

His ideologies, concept of justice and appreciation of individual freedoms were in conflict with most of ours. He was not a man that many Irish people could relate to.

It's a sad attempt at clinging onto someone famous for all the wrong reasons.

prinz

karma_ wrote: »

Let's not forget that he helped to liberate Cuba from the clutches of a cruel US backed dictator who was supported by large US business and the fcuking mafia. That's just fine in my book, and if you have a problem with me holding Che in regard, then that's your own problem.

Meanwhile he had no problem with millions of people who were in the clutches of cruel Russian backed dictatorships supported by Soviet troops. So let's drop this 'he was a man for the people' malarky. Should we forget that? Or is it only cool once it's against the US? Fight the power comrade..

How many people are paddling their bathtubs and tyretubes trying to get into Cuba by the way? Thats's a headscratcher. Just why is it that so many Cubans attempt to get into the big bad USA every year again?

karma_

prinz wrote: »

Meanwhile he had no problem with millions of people who were in the clutches of cruel Russian backed dictatorships supported by Soviet troops. So let's drop this 'he was a man for the people' malarky. Should we forget that? Or is it only cool once it's against the US? Fight the power comrade..

I have my ideology, you have yours. Problem?

swimming in a sea

Seachmall wrote: »

Many influential people have, or had, direct links to Irish families and had a much more positive impact on the world without such a controversial past. JFK is obviously the first one that comes to mind. In other words the Irish connections seem more like a rationalisation than genuine reason.

Leaving that ultimately arbitrary link aside, why not honour someone actually from Ireland who fought for or in some otherway represented Ireland? Someone actually fitting to be honoured by the Irish people?

His ideologies, concept of justice and appreciation of individual freedoms were in conflict with most of ours. He was not a man that many Irish people could relate to.

It's a sad attempt at clinging onto someone famous for all the wrong reasons.

I don't hold a torch for che guevara, but he is certainly no worse than that pegleg JFK the man who started the Vietnam war.

As for putting up statues of military men, I don't agree with that. Ballinrobe recently put up a statue of John King a naval man in the US.


Only military statues that should be put up in Ireland are of those who have served Ireland since 1922, like those boys in the Congo, is there any statue for them????