Che Guevara Statue In Galway

mikom

seachto7 wrote: »

What's worse is "Gawlway" trying to portray this leftie hippie liberal image of a town that's just so cool maaaaan. It's fake and put on, and most people you meet from there seem to try oh so hard to put on this "I am so flaky, and my time management is ****e, because, you know, I'm from Galway, and you know, I'm so liberal".

It's a graveyard of broken dreams........

It's a graveyard of ambition actually
If you're going to throw around tired cliches then at least try not to be so flaky and mix them up.
I surprised you didn't say "Boulevard of broken dreams" Billie Joe.

johngalway

old hippy wrote: »

And the Batista regime before that was all hunky dory, I guess?

I don't think Galway is looking to erect a Batista statue.

jamezito wrote: »

Cuba a $5i* hole ? why don`t you actually research something before you show how ignorant you are...

1. Cuba has one of the BEST if not the best healthcare system and education system in the WORLD !

2. Education and Healthcare is FREE !

3. Cuba has more doctors volunteering all over the world than ANY other country.

4. Politicans are elected through local community meetings by the people.

5. The revolution started with 82 yes 82 people and wait for it...... 20 people survived and from those 20 people they managed to get 90% of the people behind them and get rid of the US/Batista regeime. you wanna know where batista went ? MIAMI !!! Where is the opposition comming from now ? MAIMI.

If cuba is such a s*** hole why did so many of the people get behind the revolution, eh ?

Listen man, why dont you go back to watchin sky news, reading your tabloids and and get on with your ignorance believing that you know it all and you are well informed about such things.

I genuinely feel sorry for people like yourself, it`s prob not all your fault but you really should make an effort to dig a little deeper and really get to know what really happened in history or current affairs and don`t just make stuff up that you think might have happened or repeat what you heard on the news or other media.

My sincerest apologies, let me rephrase to more clearly make my point:

Politically repressed **** hole.

There, all better now.

rkeano5

old hippy wrote: »

And the Batista regime before that was all hunky dory, I guess?

Oh yes because two wrongs definitely make a right. I forgot about that.

Happy Monday

rkeano5 wrote: »

Oh yes because two wrongs definitely make a right. I forgot about that.

Would those who condemn Che Lynch also condemn Michael Collins on the basis that he supported the killing of unarmed people to achieve a nations freedom?

policarp

I'm just wondering why Latin America is mainly Spanish or Portuguese speaking and not English!

Wompa1

wendell borton wrote: »

I say that they should mind their own business and **** off

Apply that logic to every boards thread started that puts Americans and the country of America down.

I don't really care about the statue, I think it's dumb but then most of what the Irish councils and political parties do is pretty dumb.

Also being from Galway, Billy Cameron is an ass...but then all of them in that town are.

troposphere

Congrats to the Galway Council

Now let them really honor Che Guevara and outlaw political parties and free elections.

Wompa1

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

The people of florida can suck my left ball, it doesn't affect them they should **** off and mind their own business.

See above post. Like Cameron at least said, they are entitled to have their own opinion about it. If people take enough offense to it that they don't want to come to Ireland than so be it. If it actually has a significant impact on tourism in the west than so be it too. Guess that's Galways risk to take and they can live with the consequences.

Frankly, I don't think Americans give a crap what Galway does for the most part so it won't impact on tourism.

Wompa1

I just remembered. The park in Eyre Square is named after John F Kennedy and now there's going to be a statue of Che Guevara. The town is a contradiction.

RiseToTheTop

I'm glad that after a couple of pages in there is a real discussion, instead of the highly ignorant first reply to the topic.

If you don't know the man, his ideals, his history, etc, etc, please don't make a comment on his statue being placed in Galway. Sometimes I wish the 3rd/4th page of a topic would replace the 1st page of replies.

wendell borton

policarp wrote: »

I'm just wondering why Latin America is mainly Spanish or Portuguese speaking and not English!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_colonization_of_the_Americas

booboo88

Arent councils and local authorities meant to be strapped for cash (household charge) yet they have a few bob to spend on the status, which in a sense has no connection to Ireland, other than one of his relatives was from here?

Doc Ruby

jamezito wrote: »

Cuba a $5i* hole ? why don`t you actually research something before you show how ignorant you are...

1. Cuba has one of the BEST if not the best healthcare system and education system in the WORLD !

2. Education and Healthcare is FREE !

3. Cuba has more doctors volunteering all over the world than ANY other country.

4. Politicans are elected through local community meetings by the people.

5. The revolution started with 82 yes 82 people and wait for it...... 20 people survived and from those 20 people they managed to get 90% of the people behind them and get rid of the US/Batista regeime. you wanna know where batista went ? MIAMI !!! Where is the opposition comming from now ? MAIMI.

If cuba is such a s*** hole why did so many of the people get behind the revolution, eh ?

For the same reason many people followed DeValera, the alternative was worse?

1. Don't believe everything you see on TV. For the many rich medical tourists it has an excellent healthcare system. For everyone else its oil lamps and cockroaches (disturbing images).

2 & 3. Due to the US embargo medical supplies and knowledge were about all that was allowed in or out of the country, so that's what Cubans specialised in.

4. So who elected Fidel president for life again?

mikom wrote: »

It's a graveyard of ambition actually

Ain't that the pleasant truth.

Biggins

booboo88 wrote: »

Arent councils and local authorities meant to be strapped for cash (household charge) yet they have a few bob to spend on the status, which in a sense has no connection to Ireland, other than one of his relatives was from here?

The council themselves is NOT paying for the statue!
Have we all got that?
Lets repeat it again just in case...

The council themselves is NOT paying for the statue!

The Cuban and Argentinian embassies are funding it along with further donations from people.

prinz

jamezito wrote: »

Cuba a $5i* hole ? why don`t you actually research something before you show how ignorant you are...

1. Cuba has one of the BEST if not the best healthcare system and education system in the WORLD !

2. Education and Healthcare is FREE !

3. Cuba has more doctors volunteering all over the world than ANY other country.

4. Politicans are elected through local community meetings by the people.

5. The revolution started with 82 yes 82 people and wait for it...... 20 people survived and from those 20 people they managed to get 90% of the people behind them and get rid of the US/Batista regeime. you wanna know where batista went ? MIAMI !!! Where is the opposition comming from now ? MAIMI.

If cuba is such a s*** hole why did so many of the people get behind the revolution, eh ?

How many people have drowned trying to sneak into Cuba?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/18/national/18cubans.html?pagewanted=print

JohnMarston

Exactly what connection does Che have with Galway?

booboo88

Biggins wrote: »

The council themselves is NOT paying for the statue!
Have we all got that?
Lets repeat it again just in case...

The council themselves is NOT paying for the statue!

The Cuban and Argentinian embassies are funding it along with further donations from people.

Is gonna erect itself is it?

fishy fishy

is it cameron behind this - he would have a long long way to go to even lick the boots of che guevara, in fact he has a long long way to go to even lick the boots of michael d higgins. I would like to see a che statue in Galway, however would like somebody who actually is not a run of the mill councillor who never puts his head above the pulpit for "the people" to erect it.

Immaculate Pasta

JohnMarston wrote: »

Exactly what connection does Che have with Galway?

Che is of Irish descent himself. His father, whose surname is Lynch, famously said "the first thing to note is that in my son's veins flowed the blood of the Irish rebels." The Lynch family were one of the 14 tribes of Galway.

LK_Dave

Che Guevara was a blood thirsty mass murder, a failed economic minister and a failed revolutionary. I wonder how his many victims -men women and children – would feel of this proposal .

http://cubaarchive.org/home/images/stories/truth%20and%20memory/victims_of_che_guevara_in_cuba_9.30.2009.pdf

The above list are only the Cuban victims.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

LK_Dave wrote: »

Che Guevara was a blood thirsty mass murder, a failed economic minister and a failed revolutionary. I wonder how his many victims -men women and children – would feel of this proposal .

http://cubaarchive.org/home/images/stories/truth%20and%20memory/victims_of_che_guevara_in_cuba_9.30.2009.pdf

The above list are only the Cuban victims.

look you just don't get it. it's ok to murder innocent people as long as you hate america.

NakedNNettles

LK_Dave wrote: »

I wonder how his many victims -men women and children – would feel of this proposal .

.

They wouldn't feel anything because they are all dead, same as Che himself.

old hippy

czx wrote: »

Brilliant argument. Gloss over the present by referring to the past.

What Che did is also in the past. Brilliant comeback.

old hippy

rkeano5 wrote: »

Oh yes because two wrongs definitely make a right. I forgot about that.

By that logic Ireland would never have been free of British rule. Bet you forgot about that, as well.

LK_Dave

NakedNNettles wrote: »

They wouldn't feel anything because they are all dead, same as Che himself.

The victims are just the ones put up against a wall and shot....victims are also wives, sons, daughters, husbands, relations.....

LK_Dave

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

look you just don't get it. it's ok to murder innocent people as long as you hate america.

Yes appears to be the justification for many attitudes in Ireland today.

old hippy

LK_Dave wrote: »

Yes appears to be the justification for many attitudes in Ireland today.

Specifically?

the keen edge

seachto7 wrote: »

What's worse is "Gawlway" trying to portray this leftie hippie liberal image of a town that's just so cool maaaaan. It's fake and put on, and most people you meet from there seem to try oh so hard to put on this "I am so flaky, and my time management is ****e, because, you know, I'm from Galway, and you know, I'm so liberal".

It's a graveyard of broken dreams........

If I wasn't from Galway I'd be pretty pissed off by your comments; lucky for you I've a bean lentil soup on the camp fire needs attending.

czx

old hippy wrote: »

What Che did is also in the past. Brilliant comeback.

Building a momument to him is very much in the present!

johngalway

old hippy wrote: »

What Che did is also in the past. Brilliant comeback.

A statue of Che is the focus of the thread. Just thought that may have a bearing :rolleyes:

Logical Fallacy

LK_Dave wrote: »

Yes appears to be the justification for many attitudes in Ireland today.

Bollocks.

nacho libre

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

look you just don't get it. it's ok to murder innocent people as long as you hate america.

no isn't Sir Digby Chicken Caesar. neither is it ok to go out of your way to excuse/minimise the killing of people from American military adventures. you, while keen to point out the crimes of che, are less keen to hold America to account for theirs. If there was a statue to be erected in Ireland of Henry Kissinger, i suspect you and lk dave would probably have less of a problem with it.

xflyer

Why not go the whole hog and build a statue of Castro holding hands with Che? And put up a statue of Bobby Sands in Eyre square. I don't think he even killed anyone. But of course there's already a statue of a gunman there.

Why Che anyway, have we no Irish heroes? Silly question, of course not.

It's a stupid idea and if I don't get to it first, for sure someone will cover it in red paint.

old hippy

xflyer wrote: »

Why not go the whole hog and build a statue of Castro holding hands with Che? And put up a statue of Bobby Sands in Eyre square. I don't think he even killed anyone. But of course there's already a statue of a gunman there.

Why Che anyway, have we no Irish heroes? Silly question, of course not.

It's a stupid idea and if I don't get to it first, for sure someone will cover it in red paint.

Hey CIA, Bobby Sands is an Irish hero.

old hippy

czx wrote: »

Building a momument to him is very much in the present!

And your opposition to him lies in past deeds!

old hippy

johngalway wrote: »

A statue of Che is the focus of the thread. Just thought that may have a bearing :rolleyes:

And the thread concerns the present and past, Mr CIA

wonton

okay haven't read that much about che guevara but from what I have it seems a bit over the top calling him a mass murderer and comparing him to hitler and pol pot.

so excuse my ignorance when I ask, how many people died because of him? and was it just the revolution in in cuba where the "mass murder" happened?

Duggys Housemate

I have a solution. No statue but Galway hippys can still wear Che teeshirts.

old hippy

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

I have a solution. No statue but Galway hippys can still wear Che teeshirts.

Jim Fitzpatrick's iconic images are global.

Wasn't there a massive cross erected in Dublin for another "mass murderer" from abroad?

Duggys Housemate

old hippy wrote: »

Jim Fitzpatrick's iconic images are global.

Wasn't there a massive cross erected in Dublin for another "mass murderer" from abroad?

That'd be no, Bob.

old hippy

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

That'd be no, Bob.

No pious twat got a cross up in his favour for his visit in 79? Responsible for millions of deaths in Africa and the abuse of innocents by his clergy?

Maybe someone threw paint over it or burnt it down, hopefuly.:D

Duggys Housemate

Interesting thing about che - he was, like most Marxists - a mass murderer of workers, peasants, capitalists, etc. But he also didn't like the gays. He threw the gays into the camps ( as did Stalin). The rest can be forgotten about by the "vanguard of history" leftists, but the homophobia might tell against him for the modern progressive.

Then again, it might not. Probably it will disappear down the memory hole.

Duggys Housemate

old hippy wrote: »

No pious twat got a cross up in his favour for his visit in 79? Responsible for millions of deaths in Africa and the abuse of innocents by his clergy?

Maybe someone threw paint over it or burnt it down, hopefuly.:D

I am not a defender of the Catholic Church, but their ability to cause AIDS in non-Catholic Africa, Africa being mostly non-Catholic, is a fairly fantastical claim. John Paul's ability to cause both AIDS in non-Catholic Africa and also travel forward in time to do it from 1979 - when the statue was erected- thats on realms of science fiction, that is. AIDS got going in the 80's.

old hippy

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

I am not a defender of the Catholic Church, but their ability to cause AIDS in non-Catholic Africa, Africa being mostly non-Catholic, is a fairly fantastical claim.

I suggest you take a closer look at the RCCs policy, regarding condoms and sex education when it comes to the African continent.

Anyways, off topic - mea culpa.

Duggys Housemate

old hippy wrote: »

I suggest you take a closer look at the RCCs policy, regarding condoms and sex education when it comes to the African continent.

Anyways, off topic - mea culpa.

Yes, back to Che. He almost caused WWIII you know.

old hippy

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Yes, back to Che. He almost caused WWIII you know.

Not JFK, then?

Duggys Housemate

old hippy wrote: »

Not JFK, then?

JFK & Krushchev saved the planet, against the advice of their hot-headed advisors.
(More so Krushchev, but both).

Krushchev had to deal with two insane hotheads in Castro & Guevara, JFK had to face down the army.


Khrushchev sent a message to Castro advising patience and self-control. Khrushchev and his colleagues were opposed to a "beautiful death" and a glorious showdown with the U.S. that Castro and Che Guevara had been advocating. He told Castro that "We aren't struggling against imperialism in order to die." Castro remained furious with Khrushchev, accusing him of having no cojones.

czx

old hippy wrote: »

And your opposition to him lies in past deeds!

Up until he died, yes. You might still meet him on your acid-fuelled happy trips, but the rest of us have to rely on his past actions.

xflyer

old hippy wrote: »

Hey CIA, Bobby Sands is an Irish hero.

Only to certain people but at least he's Irish.

johngalway

old hippy wrote: »

And the thread concerns the present and past, Mr CIA

LMFAO. Methinks the hippy is on the 'shrooms tonight.